Are Tsunade & Dan: Minato's parents?

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Let me enlighten you...:D

Circumstantial Evidence number 1:

We can start with the hair. Lee and Guy prove that hairstyles can be copied, but if you take Tsunade's face and put it on Jiraiya's head, color the hair Blonde, you have Minato.


Circumstantial Evidence number 2:
Jiraiya talking to Tsunade says he never had any kids but if he did he would boast about them all the time. Then Jiraiya begins to praise Minato on his abilities, his looks, and his talent. Anytime Jiraiya talks about Minato he praises him. (My guess he thinks Minato is his son but wants Tsunade to tell him.)


Circumstantial Evidence number 3:
"I remeber in the past you said the same thing "I decline" when I asked you out." . This implys there was a time when Tsunade and Jiraiya may have had a relationship.


Circumstantial Evidence number 4:
In the Anime and the Manga Tsunade is shocked to hear that Jiraiya is going to stay to take care of the orphans. Maybe there is someone else he needs to be taking care of?


Here is the timeline I'm using. The likely time period for the Tsunade "Secret Pregnancy" would be around the middle of the 2nd Ninja War, probably on the way back to Konoha when they met the three orphan's, she already knew she was pregnant. Jman was away for three years, training Nagato, Yahiko, and Konan. This was the time she probably met Dan and he died. (He probably knew about her son and loved her anyway. Also interesting here is her wardrobe change once she came back and met Dan, more motherly if you ask me.) Years after he got back he trained the group with Minato at age 10 (I don't believe he trained this group before Pain's group because that would mean Minato fought in the 2nd Ninja war .). Around nine years later Kakashi is made a Jonin. which makes Minato about 6 years older than Kakashi. Since Kakashi is now 30, Minato would be about 36, then you subtract Tsunade's 54, that makes her 18 when she was pregnant.

Not definate proof, but more than enough for a debate. :D
Yeah no definite proof... :rolleyes:

1) If Jiraiya was Minato's Dad then why would Minato name him the God father of Naruto instead of the Grandfather...
2) When Jiraiya was dying he reminisced always being rejected by Tsunade.
3) HOW does Tsunade declining to go out with Jiraiya imply a past relationship. Does that seriously make sense to you?
4) If Tsunade knew she was pregnant would she really be fighting Hanzo in a war???

If she was pregnant by Jman. Do you think she would have started to date Dan?
You don't see Kurenai trying to get in a relationship with Kakashi or Gai now that Asuma is gone. I don't think thats common in the Narutoverse.

But you are entitled to your opinion no matter how far fetched it is...
 

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actually this theory makes alot of sense, since minato would not have had a last name until he was placed with a foster family, which incidentally would have given him thier last name. so yeah i do think tsunade is naruto's grandma. and naruto is a senju.
 

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Yeah no definite proof... :rolleyes:

1) If Jiraiya was Minato's Dad then why would Minato name him the God father of Naruto instead of the Grandfather...
2) When Jiraiya was dying he reminisced always being rejected by Tsunade.
3) HOW does Tsunade declining to go out with Jiraiya imply a past relationship. Does that seriously make sense to you?
4) If Tsunade knew she was pregnant would she really be fighting Hanzo in a war???

If she was pregnant by Jman. Do you think she would have started to date Dan?
You don't see Kurenai trying to get in a relationship with Kakashi or Gai now that Asuma is gone. I don't think thats common in the Narutoverse.

But you are entitled to your opinion no matter how far fetched it is...


Definate Proof? hence the term theory...

1) If Jiraiya was Minato's Dad then why would Minato name him the God father of Naruto instead of the Grandfather.
Theories: Tsunade told him not to tell? He didn't know Jiraiya was his father?


2) When Jiraiya was dying he reminisced always being rejected by Tsunade.
Theory: Maybe he wanted a serious relationship with her, instead of a bunch of one night stands with different women?


3) HOW does Tsunade declining to go out with Jiraiya imply a past relationship. Does that seriously make sense to you?
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If your not smart enough to see the sarcasm in Jiraiya's statement to Tsunade, then you might as well stop reading now. In case no one has explained sarcasm to you it kind of sounds like this...You think your right don't you..:cool:

4) If Tsunade knew she was pregnant would she really be fighting Hanzo in a war???

Wow, where do I begin....1st you don't have to be 6 month's along to know if your pregnant. After Two weeks you can make a pretty good guess. 2nd If she found out she was in the "mommy way" would she desert her commrades on the battle field? 3rd I'm sure she didn't plan the date and time she would be battling Hanzo in the war, but hey that is just a guess.

If she was pregnant by Jman. Do you think she would have started to date Dan?
You don't see Kurenai trying to get in a relationship with Kakashi or Gai now that Asuma is gone. I don't think thats common in the Narutoverse.

But you are entitled to your opinion no matter how far fetched it is...???
Yea I'm sure she would have loved to be called Mrs. Pervy Sage, yea my Husband likes to go around chasing young girls, and writting "racy" romance novels. Believe what you want, it just a theory. Then again I'm sure some rocket scientists out there use to say that Naruto couldn't be the fourth's son too.
 
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Nice theory about jman being his grandfather. I don't really care who the father of minato is but it would be great Tusnade is the grandmother.


For a fact we know Jman and Tsunade dated. This is obvious and he stated it.

we seen how jman and minato look the same with hair, and so does minto and naruto.

But Dan has something in common with Naruto they both want to be hokage. Jman never wanted to. If Minato was jman why was he searching for the next savior of the world always being next to Minato. If I had *** with someone and someone look kind of like me I am looking into it. Jman isn't that dumb to be training with a kid who is sort of like him and not look into it or ask Tsuade. She herself is a medical ninja.

But I do agree with you they broke up during the war time. The war was still going on and they never said the war stop when Jman was training.

In this clip you see a young Tsunade with Dan. The war was still going on.


She dumped Jman while he was out doing him and she was doing her. Long distance relationships.

So who would know about her baby. Maybe a trusted few...
 

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Definate Proof? hence the term theory...



Theories: Tsunade told him not to tell? He didn't know Jiraiya was his father?




Theory: Maybe he wanted a serious relationship with her, instead of a bunch of one night stands with different women?




If your not smart enough to see the sarcasm in Jiraiya's statement to Tsunade, then you might as well stop reading now. In case no one has explained sarcasm to you it kind of sounds like this...You think your right don't you..:cool:




Wow, where do I begin....1st you don't have to be 6 month's along to know if your pregnant. After Two weeks you can make a pretty good guess. 2nd If she found out she was in the "mommy way" would she desert her commrades on the battle field? 3rd I'm sure she didn't plan the date and time she would be battling Hanzo in the war, but hey that is just a guess.



Yea I'm sure she would have loved to be called Mrs. Pervy Sage, yea my Husband likes to go around chasing young girls, and writting "racy" romance novels. Believe what you want, it just a theory. Then again I'm sure some rocket scientists out there use to say that Naruto couldn't be the fourth's son too.
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Definate Proof? hence the term theory...



Theories: Tsunade told him not to tell? He didn't know Jiraiya was his father?




Theory: Maybe he wanted a serious relationship with her, instead of a bunch of one night stands with different women?




If your not smart enough to see the sarcasm in Jiraiya's statement to Tsunade, then you might as well stop reading now. In case no one has explained sarcasm to you it kind of sounds like this...You think your right don't you..:cool:




Wow, where do I begin....1st you don't have to be 6 month's along to know if your pregnant. After Two weeks you can make a pretty good guess. 2nd If she found out she was in the "mommy way" would she desert her commrades on the battle field? 3rd I'm sure she didn't plan the date and time she would be battling Hanzo in the war, but hey that is just a guess.



Yea I'm sure she would have loved to be called Mrs. Pervy Sage, yea my Husband likes to go around chasing young girls, and writting "racy" romance novels. Believe what you want, it just a theory. Then again I'm sure some rocket scientists out there use to say that Naruto couldn't be the fourth's son too.
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I DID NOT MAKE THIS THEORY

read it plz
It is pretty apparent from the hints in the manga that Tsunade and Dan are Minato's mother/father. The reason i think this is true is because there are just so many hints shown in the manga and Data-book thats its almost undeniable. So i'll try and keep this short and post them in a list

1-Tsunade and Minato have the same exact blood type(B).

2-Dan and Minato graduated the Academy at the Same time(When they were 10) *not literally the SAME year

3-Tsunade and Minato Share the Same Hair Color(Blond)

4-Minato and Dan are around the same height and weight as each other(they are only different by a 3-4 in both categories)

5-Naruto and Nawaki(tsunade's brother) look nearly identical. Shows possibly a family resemblance

6-Its interesting that naruto always calls Tsunade Grandma Tsunade, which would be very ironic on kishi's part if it was true

Now that the basic comparisons are over here's the real big evidance

5-Madara suggest that the Hokage line has been kept in the Senju clan for years. When he talks about this their is a picture of the hokage mountain and it shows the fourth hokage's head on it. This implies that the Hokage position was still held by the Senju even during the fourth Hokage's time, which inturn implies that the fourth hokage is a Senju.

Where else would he get the blood from the Senju clan then Tsunade.

6-Tsunade passes down the hokage necklace to naruto which was set to stay in Tsunade's family and passed down in their family since the first hokage. Since there is a big deal made out of the necklace i think this implies that Naruto might be in Tsunade's family.

7-Yamato remarks about naruto's Chakra being special because he is able to hold off the power of the 4-tails w/o dieing. This might be because naruto is related to the Senju clan and thus his chakra has the same qualities as Shodai which helps to protect him from the kyuubi chakra

8-There is a great amount of symbolism between Shodai-Naruto and Sasuke-Madara. They stood on that statues of each other at the valley of the end(Naruto on Shodai's and Sasuke on Madara's). Many people thought this implied that Shodai is like naruto and sasuke is like Madara. But Sasuke is actually and Uchiha so i don't see why this wouldn't also imply that naruto is a Senju.

9-And i think this is the biggest telling piece of information eventhough some people might read the dialog differently then i did. Now remember the chapter where Jiriaya tells Tsunade that he is going to Ame to look for AL and they have Sake. Well when their discussion turns to minato alot of things bother me about the way Jiriaya talks to Tsunade.

First look at Tsunade's face when she says Minato-Namikaze on page 10 chapter 367 ( )seems very sad about saying his name. Now this can be explained away by her just having been friends with him or something and being sad thinking about how he died, but it creates a very wierd mood for what happens next. First Jiriaya goes on to brag about Minato and what he was like and his amazing Genius.

Which let me say its weird that Jiriaya even brought up Minato at this point in the conversation because previously they were talking about how Tsunade has lost so many people in the past and about how she rejected Jiriaya's advances. Then Jiriaya seems to imply that he thought of Minato as a son and brags about him to which he says that if Minato had been his son he would have bragged about him constantly.

But what makes this suspect to me is he says i never had any kids of my own while looking at Tsunade and then says if Minato had been my kid...etc.. Doesn't this sound like what some one would say to a mother who lost their child...just replace minato with your son and doesn't the whole dialog seem right.

For example i will redo the dialog this way

"Tsunade you son had talent only seen once in a decade at best. He was a genius...No one like him has been born in awhile." "He was such a nice kid yet his guts and desire to succeed were the fiercest i have ever seen." "and in the blink of an eye he was our fourth hokage." "I never had kids so i don't know what its like, but if he had been my son i would have bragged about him all the time."

Now i want you to think about what kind of character Jiriaya is. He's the guy who failed all his life at love and he failed to Dan. Now think about it if Jiriaya had succeeded with Tsunade he would have been Minato's father instead of Dan. Its basically like Jiriaya is saying he always thought of Minato as his son because he could have very well been his father if it wasn't for a simple twist of fate. Basically that whole converstation made me think that Jiriaya was talking about Minato as if he was Tsunade's son and if you read the flow of that conversation from its start to finish with the idea that Minato is Tsunade's son alot of Jiriaya's jokes and ways that he talks makes alot of sense.

So whats my theory on how Minato is Tsunade's son. I think that Tsunade got pregnant by Dan a little bit before he went off on the mission that killed him. She also was doing missions because she didn't know that she herself was pregnant yet. After Dan Died she found that she was pregnant with his child which caused her to go even more into the depression that led her to leave the village. I think after Dan died she stayed in the village long enough to give birth to Minato and then she put him up for adoption and left the village.

Years later Jiriaya trained Minato because he loved Tsunade so much. Basically Jiriaya felt like Minato could have been his kid and he wanted to be a father to Tsunade's kid becuase of his love for her. So he trained Minato and they did gain a father son bond which later resulted in Jiriaya ironically becoming naruto's God Father. Tsunade probably never told Minato that he was her kid, but all the elders of Konoha knew because they knew she put him up for adoption as a baby, which made Minato a member of the Senju clan which helped increase his chances of becoming hokage.

The genius of kishimoto can truly be seen if this theory is true. For many reasons:

1-It will be important in naruto becoming a full pledge ninja because he might develop some of Shodai's power to allow him to control the demon fox or it might help explain why he is able to finally control the demon fox with his own chakra. It would also build up the tension between Sasuke and Naruto if naruto was a true Senju clan member.
2-It fit perfectly with the irony of Jiriaya's story/character. Jiriaya failed in love eventhough and Dan won out. Jiriaya could have been Minato's father, but he ended up becoming Minato's Sensei and Foster father figure anyway. Eventhough he failed in love with Tsunade he was still able to become part of Minato's family and even became naruto's God father.
3-It would fit perfectly with Tsunade's dynamic with naruto and her troubled past storyline. It would also be amazing if naruto did find out Tsunade was his grandmother right before she died. Also Tsunade would then be in a position to be the one to reveal naruto's entire lineage to him. It would also make sense why she was so willing to bet the necklace with naruto because he is part of the Senju clan as well
I think i could give your theory a helping hand here rather than critisize it
hmmm in the last naruto shippuden anime episode.......
madara said the it was just the second time he met naruto but he could see the senju's WILL OF FIRE in him
and he also said that he saw the FIRST hokage in naruto................
 

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Let me enlighten you...:D

Circumstantial Evidence number 1:

We can start with the hair. Lee and Guy prove that hairstyles can be copied, but if you take Tsunade's face and put it on Jiraiya's head, color the hair Blonde, you have Minato.


Circumstantial Evidence number 2:
Jiraiya talking to Tsunade says he never had any kids but if he did he would boast about them all the time. Then Jiraiya begins to praise Minato on his abilities, his looks, and his talent. Anytime Jiraiya talks about Minato he praises him. (My guess he thinks Minato is his son but wants Tsunade to tell him.)


Circumstantial Evidence number 3:
"I remeber in the past you said the same thing "I decline" when I asked you out." . This implys there was a time when Tsunade and Jiraiya may have had a relationship.


Circumstantial Evidence number 4:
In the Anime and the Manga Tsunade is shocked to hear that Jiraiya is going to stay to take care of the orphans. Maybe there is someone else he needs to be taking care of?


Here is the timeline I'm using. The likely time period for the Tsunade "Secret Pregnancy" would be around the middle of the 2nd Ninja War, probably on the way back to Konoha when they met the three orphan's, she already knew she was pregnant. Jman was away for three years, training Nagato, Yahiko, and Konan. This was the time she probably met Dan and he died. (He probably knew about her son and loved her anyway. Also interesting here is her wardrobe change once she came back and met Dan, more motherly if you ask me.) Years after he got back he trained the group with Minato at age 10 (I don't believe he trained this group before Pain's group because that would mean Minato fought in the 2nd Ninja war .). Around nine years later Kakashi is made a Jonin. which makes Minato about 6 years older than Kakashi. Since Kakashi is now 30, Minato would be about 36, then you subtract Tsunade's 54, that makes her 18 when she was pregnant.

Not definate proof, but more than enough for a debate. :D
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Yeah no definite proof... :rolleyes:

1) If Jiraiya was Minato's Dad then why would Minato name him the God father of Naruto instead of the Grandfather...
2) When Jiraiya was dying he reminisced always being rejected by Tsunade.
3) HOW does Tsunade declining to go out with Jiraiya imply a past relationship. Does that seriously make sense to you?
4) If Tsunade knew she was pregnant would she really be fighting Hanzo in a war???

If she was pregnant by Jman. Do you think she would have started to date Dan?
You don't see Kurenai trying to get in a relationship with Kakashi or Gai now that Asuma is gone. I don't think thats common in the Narutoverse.

But you are entitled to your opinion no matter how far fetched it is...
well said!

Definate Proof? hence the term theory...



Theories: Tsunade told him not to tell? He didn't know Jiraiya was his father?




Theory: Maybe he wanted a serious relationship with her, instead of a bunch of one night stands with different women?




If your not smart enough to see the sarcasm in Jiraiya's statement to Tsunade, then you might as well stop reading now. In case no one has explained sarcasm to you it kind of sounds like this...You think your right don't you..:cool:




Wow, where do I begin....1st you don't have to be 6 month's along to know if your pregnant. After Two weeks you can make a pretty good guess. 2nd If she found out she was in the "mommy way" would she desert her commrades on the battle field? 3rd I'm sure she didn't plan the date and time she would be battling Hanzo in the war, but hey that is just a guess.



Yea I'm sure she would have loved to be called Mrs. Pervy Sage, yea my Husband likes to go around chasing young girls, and writting "racy" romance novels. Believe what you want, it just a theory. Then again I'm sure some rocket scientists out there use to say that Naruto couldn't be the fourth's son too.
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Nice theory about jman being his grandfather. I don't really care who the father of minato is but it would be great Tusnade is the grandmother.


For a fact we know Jman and Tsunade dated. This is obvious and he stated it.
we seen how jman and minato look the same with hair, and so does minto and naruto.

But Dan has something in common with Naruto they both want to be hokage. Jman never wanted to. If Minato was jman why was he searching for the next savior of the world always being next to Minato. If I had *** with someone and someone look kind of like me I am looking into it. Jman isn't that dumb to be training with a kid who is sort of like him and not look into it or ask Tsuade. She herself is a medical ninja.

But I do agree with you they broke up during the war time. The war was still going on and they never said the war stop when Jman was training.

In this clip you see a young Tsunade with Dan. The war was still going on.


She dumped Jman while he was out doing him and she was doing her. Long distance relationships.

So who would know about her baby. Maybe a trusted few...
Jiraiya and Tsunade have NEVER dated. she has always rejected him..

if you really believe Jiraiya and Tsunade have dated provide proof. link from manga, panels, hell even a video of them speaking and saying they have dated..

but if you ask me i will provide proof that you are wrong.. Tsunade and Jiraiya never were intimate, never hooked up, she always rejected him...
 

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you all should understand one thing that minato was jiraya's sudent..jiraya was the same age as that of tsunade....if minato was tsunade's son, he would have not have a son who is around 17 or 18 years old who is a student of jiraya again...
and also jiraya considers naruto to be like his grandson...so there is no doing with naruto calling tsunade as grandma....
 

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I don't think so because minoto was considered a genius and I believe a lot of people were surprised because he probly came from an ordinary family line kinda like how people were kinda surprised how behind became a genius and he was on the branch of his family, and if he were her son and other knew people wouldn't be so surprised since the senuu were all homage and it would be out of the ordinary for an offspring of the clan to be a genius kinda like sasuke he is considered a genius but he is from the uchiha clan and they are known to be very strong and skilled fighters. Hut this theory of mine only works if other people knew and I think 5th homage would have role naruto that she is his grandmother.
 

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With Kishi, anything is possible...

And, one does not have to be married to have a kid. Assuming it is a correct theory, it could be that Tsunade, being unmarried, put her child up for adoption so it could have a better life...?
 
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