Is anyone here gay?
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I found 2 things extremely interesting in this thread, both answers to my early questions. The first was posted by Lord Danzo, an article about the possible correlation between biological aspects and the homosexual preference. There are some things I have to point out, though. The first being the fact that the individuals studied were in a far too small number to take such a general induction, and that more studies with more animals and even with other species should be held before they come up with a closer conclusion. The second being the fact that, despite acknowledging differences in the brain of Male-oriented rams and female-oriented rams, the causes of said fact aren't proven to be caused by or be able to cause mutations on actual genes, and thus one cannot say, for certain, that it is inheritable. So no, it is not scientifically proven that homosexuality is inheritable. Though the study is interesting, and I'd love to see more of it.
The second thing that interested me were the Bible passages that were provided. They actually made me laugh. it makes you wonder, how much desperate can a person be to find a meaning to their life to follow such detailed guidelines? The more I read, the more I question, where's the individuality? If you follow the Bible purely, what makes you different from your fellow men? And truly, how lazy are you all? I know it's extremely hard, but why can't you sit, meditate, and try to find your own meaning to your life. Believe me, it would give you personality, character. We ARE different, all of us. And as such, we need different answer. Actually, it's not a question of needing, it's simply that, different people, different answers. It is much easier to simply go by a book, follow a horde of mindless sheep and be just one more grain of sand in the desert. But, as you reach a certain age, and a certain state of cognition, you really should stop and think about your believes, and if they are indeed right for you.
And as you do that, try to think that judging someone just because they're different from you is something really conceited and narcissistic. What makes you better than those that differ from you?
The second thing that interested me were the Bible passages that were provided. They actually made me laugh. it makes you wonder, how much desperate can a person be to find a meaning to their life to follow such detailed guidelines? The more I read, the more I question, where's the individuality? If you follow the Bible purely, what makes you different from your fellow men? And truly, how lazy are you all? I know it's extremely hard, but why can't you sit, meditate, and try to find your own meaning to your life. Believe me, it would give you personality, character. We ARE different, all of us. And as such, we need different answer. Actually, it's not a question of needing, it's simply that, different people, different answers. It is much easier to simply go by a book, follow a horde of mindless sheep and be just one more grain of sand in the desert. But, as you reach a certain age, and a certain state of cognition, you really should stop and think about your believes, and if they are indeed right for you.
And as you do that, try to think that judging someone just because they're different from you is something really conceited and narcissistic. What makes you better than those that differ from you?
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We went into more depth about the Sheep topic in one of my classes (either Neurobiology or Animal Behavior) and what was really interesting is that it actually ISN'T heritable. The percentage of homosexual sheep stayed near constant in the populations. What this means is that the reason for the homosexuality wasn't primarily genetic. It was because of environmental factors that impacted the way the brain developed and had to do with interactions within the population. Had the causes been genetic, the genes wouldn't be passed on to the next generation and the genes causing the homosexuality would have been lost.
Another species thats maybe more relevant to us Humans are Bonobo Chimps. This species doesn't have violence within their social groups. Instead when a confrontation breaks out they solve it through ***. Males have *** with Males, Females with Females, etc.
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So your telling me I am a mindless, sheep to want to abide by the commands of God that if all men followed as you are saying the world would be a better, place I am a mindless sheep for wishing to learn and educate myself in ways that better me as a person, and change my actions and my attitudes and thoughts about others to make me a kinder, caring person..... That's all God word wants you to do......If your individuality means that I have to become some wanton, frivilous idiot! Then keep your individaulity.....And in no where in God's Word are you not allowed to have your own personality........You can be sarcastic, non chaulant, or really anything....As long as you commit actions that aren't condusive to the benefit of your fellow man & as long as your actions fall in place with the will of God.....which honestly it's not to much to ask someone to act a certain way when your ruler of everything.
You say all men are different. YES! of course no two people are truely alike.... but how we treat one another, how we act, and feel about one another what about that needs to be different....especially if we're to love and be kind to one another.
And I deny the allegation that I am judging anyone.....I am not judging you, to judge someone means to form a preconceived notion or decision about an individual before you actually meet or know anything about that individual.
And what makes me better than the homosexual let me tell you what it is...............Nothing.......Nothing at all........ Realize that everything that I am saying I am saying because it what God wants of you & I & his will should be upheld over your and my will because he's greter than you.
It seems we have slightly gotten off topic..
I'm not gay, though I believe my sister is and I don't really have a problem with that or gays in general. if they want to get married they should be allowed.
the only people I have a problem with are those that believe God (I'm a "Scientific" Methodist by the way) hates gays when the majority of the New Testament, which in case you don't know is what modern Catholics and Christians follow, is about God's love and the story of Jesus.
Hadou, you mentioned Romans 1:21-34 states that God prohibts homosexual acts, I don't think you get what that was really stating. While yes they were performing homosexual acts, the thing that kept getting repeated is that they turned there backs on God and didn't praise him, but praised themselves. As for 1st Corinthians 6:18, you are correct, fornication is a sin but fornication is defined as ANY sexual act before marriage, whether its heterosexual or homosexual. However you fail to continue the end of chapter 6 because it says the reason that fornication is a sin is because our bodies are a Temple of the Holy Spirit. Next you mention chapter 10:8 from the same book, no where in that verse is homosexuality mentioned it stats "We must not indulge in sexual immorality as some of them did and twenty-three thousand fell in a single day". Which is saying, don't follow what other people are doing when it concerns sexual activities as they may not be following what God has laid out.
Basically what you have done is twisted what the Bible has said so that it fits with your own ideology, which isn't the meaning of the Bible. Instead of twisting the words of the Bible to fit your thoughts, you should be twisting your thoughts to fit what the Bible says. Consider yourself "Biblically pwned"
oh before I forget, animals do not have "free will" A lion can not choose to be a vegetarian just like a giraffe can not choose to be a carnivore. Animals work on instinct, where as humans have the ability to determine what they are going to do. As for homosexual animals, I can't really comment as I haven't really read too much into it though I do know that there are plenty of animals that reproduce asexually and other animals, mostly reptiles and amphibians who are hermaphrodites and can change their reproductive organs depending on if there is a lack of males or female.
I'm not gay, though I believe my sister is and I don't really have a problem with that or gays in general. if they want to get married they should be allowed.
the only people I have a problem with are those that believe God (I'm a "Scientific" Methodist by the way) hates gays when the majority of the New Testament, which in case you don't know is what modern Catholics and Christians follow, is about God's love and the story of Jesus.
Hadou, you mentioned Romans 1:21-34 states that God prohibts homosexual acts, I don't think you get what that was really stating. While yes they were performing homosexual acts, the thing that kept getting repeated is that they turned there backs on God and didn't praise him, but praised themselves. As for 1st Corinthians 6:18, you are correct, fornication is a sin but fornication is defined as ANY sexual act before marriage, whether its heterosexual or homosexual. However you fail to continue the end of chapter 6 because it says the reason that fornication is a sin is because our bodies are a Temple of the Holy Spirit. Next you mention chapter 10:8 from the same book, no where in that verse is homosexuality mentioned it stats "We must not indulge in sexual immorality as some of them did and twenty-three thousand fell in a single day". Which is saying, don't follow what other people are doing when it concerns sexual activities as they may not be following what God has laid out.
Basically what you have done is twisted what the Bible has said so that it fits with your own ideology, which isn't the meaning of the Bible. Instead of twisting the words of the Bible to fit your thoughts, you should be twisting your thoughts to fit what the Bible says. Consider yourself "Biblically pwned"
oh before I forget, animals do not have "free will" A lion can not choose to be a vegetarian just like a giraffe can not choose to be a carnivore. Animals work on instinct, where as humans have the ability to determine what they are going to do. As for homosexual animals, I can't really comment as I haven't really read too much into it though I do know that there are plenty of animals that reproduce asexually and other animals, mostly reptiles and amphibians who are hermaphrodites and can change their reproductive organs depending on if there is a lack of males or female.
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*Bolded - HAHA, I know I shouldn't laugh but it was funny.
I'm not Catholic or Methodist, but I am from the Protestant line just like Methodists.
I'm fine with people in General whether they're gay or not. I just don't like the action "Homosexual". I have no issues with THE Homosexual person. I just don't like Homosexuality.
I believe its a choice, I do not think it can be inherited like Hair Colour or Outward appearances.
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I think it's not a choice!
My friend is gay and want to love women but he can't because he's gay it's hard to explain because I'm not gay but I'm 110% sure it's not a choice except for some people
My friend is gay and want to love women but he can't because he's gay it's hard to explain because I'm not gay but I'm 110% sure it's not a choice except for some people
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nah I thought it was hilarious so go ahead and laugh
and thats what i had figured you meant, though you didn't really make that clear.
and right now its really hard to tell what makes a person gay or straight. I've seen some kids that just scream "gay" while others are more secretive about it.
anyways lets leave the debating for a different thread as this is about "who" and not what we think about homosexuality
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Sir, I hope you read this and respond:
What have you said that I haven't there is no pownage on either side.....Sir..... God loves Homosexuals!!!..... I love Homosexuals!!!....but what God hates, and what I disapprove of is the action!.....God hates homosexuality.
And in reference to the 6th Chapter of Romans.... Yes..... I said read that part because what the Bible was giving an insight into is that when man turns his back on God and does what he wants, and these are some of the things that he does, these are the behaviors and mannerisms that the man takes on and these aren't pleasing to God.
And in reference to Corinthians I agree with you again full heartedly...... That message referes to both heterosexual fornication & homosexuality....ANY FORNICATION WHATSOEVER!! I don't support individuals having *** frivolously outside of marriage, or promiscuousness. It's just that the topic at hand was homosexuality and I was addressing the scriptures relation to the subject.
And Yes our bodies are the temple of God and we should take care of it which is why I can't understand, especially for males, why you would destroy and mistreat your own body by partaking in homosexuality which is potentially destructive to yourself by means of AIDS, or other STDs.
BUT once again I agree FULL HEARTEDELY WITH YOU!!! AND I said no differently...and if I did I apologize. Thank you for your comment
Have a wonderful Day/Evening!!!
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not all religious people look down on them i am somewhat religious and i don't belive in gay/lesbian mariage not that it is wrong because most are born with that sexual oriantation and can't help the urge but i would like for everyone to have an equal chace for hevan. i dont look down on them i accept them.
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