How can people actually say Raikage beat Sasuke?

[KyuubiYondaime]

Sasuke won. If it was A fighting Gaara, Darui, etc while Sasuke is healed, youd say so too. Or if Sasuke was the one who lost his best arm, etc.

 

[wade]

not really, im not seeing where sasuke won, cause its not like everyone started fighting sasuke while A got healed, raikage didn't want to stop fighting, gaara broke it up and asked for a minute, and he got it, shed a tear then took the fight on, was A getting healed? yeah, but its not like hes like MAN IM BEAT UP I NEED TO KICK BACK AND HEAL, it was more like, gaara thru some sand out, broke the fight up, and realized sasuke had to die, then SASUKE, not gaara, not A, not darui but SASUKE retreated, I'm not seeing where sasuke won that fight at all actually

 

[wade]

PLUS its not like he TOOK A's arm, A gave it up

 

[KyuubiYondaime]

A had no other way to hurt Sasuke in that form.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

he could have smashed him with a peice of a wall, or waited untill sasuke ran out of chakra like he eventually did vs mei (when sasuke tried making his susanoo grow again and failed) or like sasuke did, break pillers and drop the roof on him. but he went the direct route because he was pissed at him for taking his bro

 

[wade]

^ thanks professor
your called professor for a reason

sasuke had no way to hurt him in that form,
his sharingan couldn't keep up,
chidori + amaterasu+sharingan failed

 

[KyuubiYondaime]

he could have smashed him with a peice of a wall, or waited untill sasuke ran out of chakra like he eventually did vs mei (when sasuke tried making his susanoo grow again and failed) or like sasuke did, break pillers and drop the roof on him. but he went the direct route because he was pissed at him for taking his bro

How the hell is A supposed to know Sasuke could only hold Susanoo for a small period of time?

Again Im not saying Sasuke was stronger than A at this point, only that he would have won in this fight.

And scratch that. He could hold it for a long time. He used Stage 2 and 3 Susanoo againts Danzo for around 10 minutes, and then a third time againts Kakashi, activating the fourth stage along with 2 Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, so I'm pretty sure Sasuke could have ketp the ribs for a good deal of times. Especially if he didnt have to summon the Big one later, Enton againts A, Enton againts Gaara, ribs againts Mei, and ribs againts Onoki. He was still very fresh at this point.

 

[wade]

^
double edged sword,
he went blind

 

[KyuubiYondaime]

Againts other enemy, Danzou, not A dude. Stop bring different fights. Sasuke used MS on Bee, A, Gaara, Kakashi and Danzo, not just A...

And he's not blind anymore anyway...so much for that huh?

Sasuke knew deep down hed gain EMS anyway.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

Againts other enemy, Danzou, not A dude. Stop bring different fights. Sasuke used MS on Bee, A, Gaara, Kakashi and Danzo, not just A...

And he's not blind anymore anyway...so much for that huh?

Sasuke knew deep down hed gain EMS anyway.

knew deep down how? he was offered itachi's eyes right after they fought but he turned them down because "his vision of the world was different then itachi's" or some bull, untill he ran into naruto he had no intention of getting EMS, he probably didn't expect to go blind that fast.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

How the hell is A supposed to know Sasuke could only hold Susanoo for a small period of time?

Again Im not saying Sasuke was stronger than A at this point, only that he would have won in this fight.

And scratch that. He could hold it for a long time. He used Stage 2 and 3 Susanoo againts Danzo for around 10 minutes, and then a third time againts Kakashi, activating the fourth stage along with 2 Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, so I'm pretty sure Sasuke could have ketp the ribs for a good deal of times. Especially if he didnt have to summon the Big one later, Enton againts A, Enton againts Gaara, ribs againts Mei, and ribs againts Onoki. He was still very fresh at this point.

Wasn't he only able to use his high level susanoo because he hated danzo? he didn't have any emotion one way or the other towards raikage so he didn't have the "motivation" i guess you'd call it, to use his huge susanoo againest A, he'd be stuck with ribs trying to hold off w/e else A threw at him, pummeling him with pillers and stone would have cracked more ribs and w/o bigger versions of susanoo injured sasuke, enton is still not a real defence just a deterent, maybe raikage grabs a piece of broken wall and bodyslams into sasuke, the stone would be on fire but the attack would still go thru, but in A's state of mind its just blitz sasuke to death for taking bee.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

haha Wade ya 1st post and other ones were awesome man!

Prof Sarutobi great posts

KyuubiYondaime

you still not answering all of my posts fully so i decided to keep it short as well..

your biggest arguement to why Sasuke won is because Raikage "lost" his arm.

i have throughly proved that he sacrificed it, not lost, he gave it up, threw it away, put it on fire on his own will and chopped it himself! do you get it man? yes Raikage could have attacked very differently. your arguement is that he is only a taijutsu ninja and have no other way of attacking but being physical but like Prof S. said he coulda chucked a wall at him or something. waited out till he ran out of chakra which proved to be very soon seeing how he ran out of juice fighting the others after.

your other arguement is that Raikage had to be healed. listen nobody but you is saying that being healed = lost. and you keep saying that "if it was Sasuke ya would have said he lost" wrong! Sasuke got his arse busted by Bee but I, personally say he won that fight, cuz in the end he forced Bee to retreat. just like how Sasuke retreated from fighting Raikage.

another arguement you constantly bring up is that without Darui and Shi, Raikage would have died. you know what? if there was nobody but Sasuke and Raikage fighting, Sasuke wouldnt have had Gaara save his arse and Sasuke would have died! are you also forgetting that the fight started out as a 3 on 3? you keep making it sound like Sasuke got jumped? he had his boys backing him up and Raikage had his and eventually it turned into a 1 on 1. than Sasuke continues to fight everyone and they mother in the damn place.

you are wrong. Sasuke lost. at this point now your acting like a fanboy. and you hating on Raikage too idk y. were you bullied as a child by a huge, muscled bound black guy?? lol jk. btw my sig is the shit man lol.. you know it. i didnt make it up so dont say im biased. its not that hard to find pics on the net that portrays Sasuke being Raikages bitch. you can look on the net to find Sasuke pwning Raikage but i bet you wont find any lol...anyways your wrong Raikage won that fight.

the "he healed himself" and "lost an arm" arguements are weak man...

edit: ^^well.. i tried to keep it short lol

 

[Ariow]

We can never know who would have won the fight because of Gaaras iteruption he didnt do it to save Sasuke but to stop the fight between them so he could get a word in. I dont think the Raikage would have been able to withstand a full on Amaterasu attack like that because before he only hit Sasukes defence and was at a close enough range to strike Sasuke as well. I think the Raikages leg would have been incinerated along with his armour too quickly not even reaching Sasuke. Even if it did the Raikages attacks really wernt that strong his attack that hit Sasuke before didnt do much but send him flying a fully powered one would have ripped straight through him it must have been weekened due to either Amaterasu or the undeveloped Susano which was still very much active. The real power shown then was Gaaras sand withstanding both attacks.

 

[Dean-Winchester]

i think raikgae would not stand a chance but after
watchin the anime i think Shee mentiuoned he has something else and since he has tailed beasts chakra leve;s i am thinking he can transform in to something


i digress has anyone made a itachi and saskue vs killer bee and A (4th raikage thread yet )

 

[Typhon]

The reason why Sasuke was "losing" that fight was because he was on the defensive the entire time.

He couldn't keep up with Raikage's movements and instead had to turtle inside Susanoo. The only reason the Raikage lost his arm was because he was okay with it. He chose to sacrifice that arm to deal Sasuke some damage. So you can't chalk that up to Sasuke's doing.

Its impossible to know what would have happened if the battle didn't get interrupted. Perhaps Raikage's leg drop would have killed Sasuke. Perhaps Sasuke's enton would have severed Raikage's leg. Who knows?

But up to that point in the battle it was pretty obvious that Sasuke was overwhelmed by the Raikage's physical speed and strength.

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

Are you guys nuts sasuke had it hands down the drop kicked would not have killed sasuke lets be serouis plus sasuke reaction time with susanoo is hella quick

 

[Ryuji]

The reason why Sasuke was "losing" that fight was because he was on the defensive the entire time.

He couldn't keep up with Raikage's movements and instead had to turtle inside Susanoo. The only reason the Raikage lost his arm was because he was okay with it. He chose to sacrifice that arm to deal Sasuke some damage. So you can't chalk that up to Sasuke's doing.

Its impossible to know what would have happened if the battle didn't get interrupted. Perhaps Raikage's leg drop would have killed Sasuke. Perhaps Sasuke's enton would have severed Raikage's leg. Who knows?

But up to that point in the battle it was pretty obvious that Sasuke was overwhelmed by the Raikage's physical speed and strength.

I agree with Danzo, Sasuke stopped attacking and started going turtle-ish, how could somebody win by defending, if sasuke would have just stayed with his defensive techniques the Sharingan could have been sealed in not time, other thing the the Leg drop could have hit Sasuke maybe even kill him for some reasons.
1.- The difference with the punch the the Leg Drop is that, A is falling wich gives him more strenght in the fall, + his ligthning armor and his own phisycal strenght so I'm pretty sure that a if a punch passed through Amaterasu why doens't a leg drop from up high passes through it again and break the bones with his own strenght and the lightning.

2.- The sand got in the way because it's sand, wich is more tangible than flames, without counting the ''cushing'' effects of sand.

2.- Sasuke was on the floor for god's sake, you call him a winner when his on the floor and about to receive a kick?

4.- Now you said that the character with less injuries it's the winner, lets' see A came without serious injuries by Jugo's blast, a pathetic attemp of piercing his chest, lost an arm wich he chose too. Now Sasuke, his in pain just by using the MS, then he uses Amaterasu, then a part of Susano, being punch in the face with a fist of lightning, being droped on the floor from the Bomb something and about to receive a kick, does that look like a point for Sasuke?

5.- He could use the MS and it's abilitys in all the arc because at the middle he got rescued by Madara and got a little rest and some healing from Karin.

P.S I was talking the the creator of the thread ok O_O

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

I agree with Danzo, Sasuke stopped attacking and started going turtle-ish, how could somebody win by defending, if sasuke would have just stayed with his defensive techniques the Sharingan could have been sealed in not time, other thing the the Leg drop could have hit Sasuke maybe even kill him for some reasons.
1.- The difference with the punch the the Leg Drop is that, A is falling wich gives him more strenght in the fall, + his ligthning armor and his own phisycal strenght so I'm pretty sure that a if a punch passed through Amaterasu why doens't a leg drop from up high passes through it again and break the bones with his own strenght and the lightning.

2.- The sand got in the way because it's sand, wich is more tangible than flames, without counting the ''cushing'' effects of sand.

2.- Sasuke was on the floor for god's sake, you call him a winner when his on the floor and about to receive a kick?

4.- Now you said that the character with less injuries it's the winner, lets' see A came without serious injuries by Jugo's blast, a pathetic attemp of piercing his chest, lost an arm wich he chose too. Now Sasuke, his in pain just by using the MS, then he uses Amaterasu, then a part of Susano, being punch in the face with a fist of lightning, being droped on the floor from the Bomb something and about to receive a kick, does that look like a point for Sasuke?

5.- He could use the MS and it's abilitys in all the arc because at the middle he got rescued by Madara and got a little rest and some healing from Karin.

P.S I was talking the the creator of the thread ok O_O

Ok all because someone sheilds them selves there losing?How about when garra was fightning sasuke at the chunnin exams, garra was sheilding himself from sasuke and had the upper hand at the end of the fight.When sasuke fought garra at the chunnin exam his lightning attack was able to by get threw garra sand denfense right so why was'nt the Raikage Lightning armor drop kick able to break threw garra's sand? plus sasuke attack as able to get threw the raikage lightning armor lets be real sasuke would of finished him.

 

[shakes01]

No matter how you look at the fight Sasuke won.

When a fight is interrupted the one with less injuries is declared the winner. I for one think if Sasuke had came out of the fight without an arm people would make fun of him forever, if Raikage only had some bruises.

If you wanna go what would have happened after the clash, Raikage was hiding behind a pillar while Sasuke fought other super powerful guys like Gaara (another kage) and Darui with the Big Susanoo and C suggested them to retreat. If it was Sasuke receiving healing at this point people would say he had lost.

Fact is, Raikage could have continued his fight with Sasuke even after Gaara interrupted yet he knew it wasnt wise, which means they all ganged up on him later.

The only thing people have is during the clash and I just don't see Sasuke dying with just 1 blow whereas a previous one merely bruised him, and this time he also had defense. Hell, he had even more defense. He had susanoo and Enton spikes.

Susanoo ribs were broken but the aura still protects him, reason why he wasn't burned by Mizukage's initial lava.

And Enton is a jutsu apart from Amaterasu, or it wouldn't have another name, and the databook states it.

So basically Raikage would have his leg on a stick to fall on Susanoo which would result in Sasuke having little to no injury.

Then with just 1 leg, Raikage wouldn't be able to avoid Sasuke's Big Susanoo and would have died atleast without Darui's help.

Bee stated Raikage is lefthanded, which is the arm he lost, so esentially in fighting Sasuke, and being a straight taijutsu fighter he lost a lot. Is like a boxer losing his best arm.

TBH I don't see why people say that that clash would have done both of em in. It was just another one. Sasuke was still protected, and A wouldnt have died. Losing his arm didnt seem to bother him physically that much, but hed be unable to dodge Susanoo without a leg.

I then think that Darui + Raikage could have beaten Sasuke, but Raikage by himself? Nah.

ok after reading this i went back 2 review d manga(n though I'm of d opinion dat sasuke is over8ed, even though i like him) i agree with this thread totally... Gaara was just d hero, cause raikage's anger was about 2 mess him up, really he's all anger n brawns with no brains(he's lucky not 2 have met other devastating akatsuki members), he has 2 pipe down n start thinking when fighting... Nice thread.

 

[Issystar]

Hello fellow fans of naruto! To me, if both of them were left alone to fight each other, i think sasuke might win 'cos the raikage is d type that doesnt control his emotion-he explodes at the slightest mention of his enemy's name and so could hardly dodge or counter sasuke's moves.