How can people actually say Raikage beat Sasuke?

[BigTDogg220]

this guy is right. sasuke got one good hit on raikage and that good hit got himself planted into the ground.

you lot say raikage had no way to fight sasuke after he used amaterasu on his susanoo but he could have just let sasuke waste his chakra.
raikage was fast enough to dodge amaterasu which is sasukes offensive trump card.
he could of just left sasuke to his defences and then killed him easily afterwards.

sasuke couldnt beat raikage, even after raikage sacrificed his arm to get a good hit on sasuke he would have been able to beat sasuke. the only thing is would that leg drop have been strong enough to go through that blaze attack?

well seeing that raikage was able to punch a big hole through sasukes "ultimate" defence i believe he would have killed sasuke.
i think sasuke was just doing a "if i go down im taking you with me" move

You've got it exactly. Raikage would've lost a leg too, but he would've killed Sasuke with the leg drop to the neck.

 

[KyuubiYondaime]

Sasuke wasnt remotely hurt. He was hurt.. Raikage willingly sacrificed his arm because he wanted to punch Sasuke in the face. could he have attacked more wisely? yes. but he didnt. he wanted to make a statement. and that statement was "I'm not stopping my fist from punching yo face just because of some stupid black flames"...



i am not saying nor had i ever said confidence wins fights. my point was Raikage had confidence in his attacks and was determined to finish off Sasuke with them.

reason i said that cuz you went on about how Raikage lost his arm to Sasuke which he didnt. Raikage sacrificed his own arm on his on accord. he didnt have to hit Sasuke but he chose to. he could have attacked differently but he chose not to.

btw its being "hot headed" is what makes Raikage so strong. and you keep making Raikage losing his arm like he didnt chose to do it purposely. Raikage sacrificed it just to punch Sasuke. im going to keep repeating it until you get it right...

Ok so show another way in which Raikage could have hurt Sasuke until then its just speculation. He has shown nothing but taijutsu, face it. And therefore, he lost his arm to Sasuke's jutsu, no matter how he conected, since he didn't have any other choice.

You make such a big deal about A dodging Amaterasu and don't mention how he was only able to do so because they already had knowledge on Amaterasu, apparently thanks to seeing Itachi or something. C stated that Raikage concentrated his chakra to produce a shushin. Even Hanzou who was a slowpoke againts Mifune dodged Nagato's Gedo Mazou, does that make him > Nagato?

Dude by your logic physical strength is the only thing that should be taken into consideration and when Orochimaru is > Tsunade, Sage Naruto was not stronger than MS Sasuke by his own accord, etc!! By your logic guys like Minato, Itachi, Sasuke are weaklings! They use skill and their brain. Brawn doesn't always win a fight. Intelligence does too, and Sasuke outsmarted Raikage or atleast put himself in a win-win situation.

i dont believe if you get healed you lose.. thats a stupid concept and you are the one who believes in it.. like i said even in a boxing match fighters take a break to heal minor wounds... the one who took the most injury can still win the fight...

Doesnt help your argument that you say he was soooo anxious to fight Sasuke he even attacked Madara and asked for help, when he only did that AFTER he was healed.

fights are not measured who took the most damaged (unless on the streets) its deemed by who was most aggressive, landed most hits, best techniques etc.. do you box or MMA at all man cuz if not than you just wont understand this concept...

Dawg if someone lost an arm in an MMA match they'd cancel the match

Sasuke put himself in a defensive situation because he was not beating Raikage offensively.. being defensive didnt even help him cuz Raikage came even harder with the attacks...

Again apparently it is you who hasn't seen much MMA fights. Just because someone is on the defensive doesn't mean they won't win. Its just a way of fighting. Making Raikage do what he did. Making him **** himself.

you make Sasuke sound like a beast fighting agaisnt the Kages when in fact he was getting his butt beat! Raikage smacking him up and all the other kages eventually fighting him, Sasuke was on the defensive through out the whole ordeal. he failed to be able to use Amaterasu offensively agaisnt Raikage and Gaara, and used Sasuno defensively agaisnt Raiakage to save his dear life and even used Sasuno to escape Raikage..

I can tell your a Sasuke hater from just that first line.

1. Raikage is the one who had his butt kicked lost his best arm and was healed while Sasuke proceeded to fight kages. Raikage had knowledge about Sasuke's Amaterasu and thats how he dodged it, knew of his Sharingan and both of his affinities.

2. Sasuke was just testing Gaara out with Enton, and since back in part 1, Sasuke stated fire is weak againts sand. It was easy for Gaara as he had already seen the flames and they were already out. Out of all of Sasuke's jutsus, that was the easiest one for Gaara to deal with. He hasn't shown a counter to genjutsu, Tsukuyomi, Chidori, Susanoo. His chidori pierced his sand back in part 1. And Sasuke was just testing Gaara. Regardless Gaara seemed ****ed againts the Big Susanoo.

Don't be a hater. Susanoo is just a jutsu. A powerful jutsu. It can serve as a great defense, just like Raikage's Raiton shroud saved his ass from Sasuke's chidori and chidori sword. Both are jutsus. Just as Gaara uses his sand for protection. Every strong shinobi should have a defense. Susanoo is just part of Sasuke's true powers.

btw if your in the middle of a fight and you just up and run away....... do you honestly think you won that fight??

But if he gets healed is fine, right? Sasuke wasn't fighting A at that point. He was fighting Gaara and Darui and he noticed he had felt too apart from his main objective which was Danzou and went after him.

You say is fine for Raikage to take a break, yet if Sasuke goes againts Danzou its not?

Raikage quickly healed himself and was more than ready to jump back into fighting.. what did Sasuke do? ran away.. and you are saying Sasuke won??? f*ck outta here with dat bull....

See above.

Trust me, I would have liked to see Raikage end up without any limbs and they made Bee or Darui the Raikage facing Big Susanoo Sasuke but thats not what Kishi gave us. I mean, if his best kick is tanked by Gaara's sand just imagine how Susanoo will make short work of him.

Sasuno did not hold up agaisnt Mei's lava release...

Yes it did, her acid was what affected him, which she noted was because he was already too weak which was 3 MS justu after fighting Raikage, which should have being enough to finishing him off.

wrong... eventually Raikage would have murdered Sasuke... Raikage had chakra of that of tailed beasts.. his Raiton Armor increased his strength, speed, agility, reaction and defense. Raikage had the stamina and ability to fight for days and he was not showing any sign of slowing down! Sasuke however proved that he was at his limits when after defending against Gaara, Mifune, Mei and Onoiki and than had to have his butt saved by Madara..

You are acting like a baby. Saying is fine for Raikage to get healed againts Sasuke, but saying Sasuke was butt saved after fighting Raikage, Kazekage, Mizukage, Mifune, Tsuchikage, Darui, Kankurou, Temari, C, Mizukage bodyguard.

and also Raikage was soo determined to continue fighting Sasuke that he even attacked Madara to get to him.. he demanded that Madara let him go so he could finish whooping his arse..

Because he knew Sasuke was ****ed up already and he was healed.

so in the long run - we are not talking about that... agaisnt Raikage, Sasuke had no EMS and his MS techiniques was taking a huge toll on him during the fight...

The toll wasn't worst than losing limbs/life.

wrong.. Sasuke surrounded himself in attempt to stop Raikage from hitting him. he did not suspect Raikage to continuing his attack.. i explained this in my last comment...

Well duh he made it to counter A's speed and it worked. A was ****ed since he didn't comply with not blitzing Sasuke.

rest?!? sigh.. if Gaara hadnt interupted Raikage wouldnt have stopped fighting until Sasuke was dead.. and even the greatest of boxers have to rest a little while after each round.. even the MMA fighters rest a little after each round! what is your point? are you saying Raikage isnt a beast because he used the time that Gaara interupted him to cut his arm and stop the bleeding?? would you expect him to just let his whole body burn up like an idiot? or would you expect him to cut off his arm and just let himself bleed to death??

You basically admitted Sasuke was stronger than A if they were 1 vs 1. You admitted that without C (external help) A would have died from bloodloss or Amaterasu might have engulfed his entire body thus killing him. You said it not me.

biggest thing that your missing is that Raikage ordered Shi to heal him quickly so he could get back to attacking Sasuke...

He did do that. Because like a bitch he need be heal before attack again. Even Goku refuse to eat a sensu bean to beat Cell. Goku have honor, Raikage no.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

LMAO i love those pics NVG, raikage epic power bombs ftw.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

Ok so show another way in which Raikage could have hurt Sasuke until then its just speculation. He has shown nothing but taijutsu, face it. And therefore, he lost his arm to Sasuke's jutsu, no matter how he conected, since he didn't have any other choice.

just because its not shown doesn't mean they don't have it, hes the kage of a village of lightning users if hes raikage he'll know more then 2 moves (lightning armor/body flicker) even if hes like guy guy knows his main power taijutsu+gates, he can still use summoning jutsu just not as a main attack.

You make such a big deal about A dodging Amaterasu and don't mention how he was only able to do so because they already had knowledge on Amaterasu, apparently thanks to seeing Itachi or something. C stated that Raikage concentrated his chakra to produce a shushin. Even Hanzou who was a slowpoke againts Mifune dodged Nagato's Gedo Mazou, does that make him > Nagato?

noone said anything about itachi using MS C said something like is sasuke more talented then itachi idk if he means with amaterasu or just in general because he was shaping fire with his eyes but A thought the new eyes sasuke had was MS, doesn't mean itachi faught raikage in the past, word gets around about strong techs like MS.

even if he didn't know about it he was fast enough to dodge a close range instant forming fire before it touched him, and appear behind him before his sharingan could tell that he'd moved behind him, thats some speed right there lol.

Dude by your logic physical strength is the only thing that should be taken into consideration and when Orochimaru is > Tsunade, Sage Naruto was not stronger than MS Sasuke by his own accord, etc!! By your logic guys like Minato, Itachi, Sasuke are weaklings! They use skill and their brain. Brawn doesn't always win a fight. Intelligence does too, and Sasuke outsmarted Raikage or atleast put himself in a win-win situation.

his physical strength,speed and chakra and knowing how to fight is what makes him a kage, just like minatos intel and speed (and knowledge of sealing i guess) made minato hokage and why guy was able to beat kisame. i blame him punching thru sasuke's enton sheild on the fact that at the time of the fight he thought sasuke had abducted his younger brother to have his tailed beast taken out which basicly kills the host. if you aren't pissed at the person who does that, you probably woulda killed your brother yourself if he were annoying enough lol.

Doesnt help your argument that you say he was soooo anxious to fight Sasuke he even attacked Madara and asked for help, when he only did that AFTER he was healed.

Sasuke only fought danzo after he was healed and he even needed healing multiple times in the bee fight but he still "captured" bee so mission success?
his wound was healed but he was still down an arm and wanting to take on sasuke.

1. Raikage is the one who had his butt kicked lost his best arm and was healed while Sasuke proceeded to fight kages. Raikage had knowledge about Sasuke's Amaterasu and thats how he dodged it, knew of his Sharingan and both of his affinities.

sasuke got choped in the face and was about to have his skull caved in while his arm was still on fire, not his idea for sasuke to piss off gaara the guy who saved his hide and have even more people try to kill him.

Don't be a hater. Susanoo is just a jutsu. A powerful jutsu. It can serve as a great defense, just like Raikage's Raiton shroud saved his ass from Sasuke's chidori and chidori sword. Both are jutsus. Just as Gaara uses his sand for protection. Every strong shinobi should have a defense. Susanoo is just part of Sasuke's true powers.

yep and his wasn't even complete, but those ribs were the true power of susanoo they melt from mei's acid, they break from physical attacks and without enough chakra they'll go away just like any jutsu but he still gets the full body backlash from using it (that sucks lol)

But if he gets healed is fine, right? Sasuke wasn't fighting A at that point. He was fighting Gaara and Darui and he noticed he had felt too apart from his main objective which was Danzou and went after him.

You say is fine for Raikage to take a break, yet if Sasuke goes againts Danzou its not?

he didn't need healing to keep fighting but the fight was stoped at the time, sasuke healed between the summit and danzo fights thats not any worse then A choping his arm off and having the bleeding stoped they are smart moves intelligence doesn't = dieing for stupid reasons

and yeah he left to find danzo, but it'd been stupid for him to keep fighting the kages either way

Trust me, I would have liked to see Raikage end up without any limbs and they made Bee or Darui the Raikage facing Big Susanoo Sasuke but thats not what Kishi gave us. I mean, if his best kick is tanked by Gaara's sand just imagine how Susanoo will make short work of him.

lol thtd been ****ed up.

You basically admitted Sasuke was stronger than A if they were 1 vs 1. You admitted that without C (external help) A would have died from bloodloss or Amaterasu might have engulfed his entire body thus killing him. You said it not me

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sasuke would still have died from the leg drop, so mute point really if he hadn't stoped to cut his arm off sasuke woulda been dead.

He did do that. Because like a bitch he need be heal before attack again. Even Goku refuse to eat a sensu bean to beat Cell. Goku have honor, Raikage no.

lol honor doesn't =dieing from fire.

 

[Steps]

Ths topic makes me want to see A's bitchslap in motion

 

[KyuubiYondaime]

@ Sarutobi please provide proof that A's kick would have killed the Sauce. A's kick was blocked by Gaara's sand it can be blocked by Enton + Susanoo aura. At best some damage would be made, but saying he'd kill him is just ridiculous.

Sasuke was healed to fight another opponent, unlike A who was healed to fight Sasuke himself.

It seem most of these kages have already shown their best stuff, maybe they have more stuff but it seems their fighting style is revolved around the same things. Raikage his Raiton shroud, Tsuchikage his smasher block againts Dei and Sasuke, Mizukage around her bloodline, Gaara around his sand. And like I said hes a taijutsu fighter, he may have other stuff, but his Raiton shroud is his strongest stuff.

Sasuke hides behind Susanoo, Gaara behind his sand, A behind his raiton armor. These are their jutsu and all of their fighting styles are different.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Ok so show another way in which Raikage could have hurt Sasuke until then its just speculation. He has shown nothing but taijutsu, face it. And therefore, he lost his arm to Sasuke's jutsu, no matter how he conected, since he didn't have any other choice.

1ST OFF I LOVE how you dont respond to EVERYTHING i say to you. you pick and chose what you want to argue and it shows that you cannot argue everything i am saying...

Raikage could have easily been defensive. what was Sasuke going to do about it? through more Amaterasus for Raikage to dodge? Sasuke's Sasuno was nt even developed agasint Raikage to be used offensively agasint him. so you tell me what could Sasuke do to hurt Raikage? Raikage chose to hurt himself attacking Sasuke. not the other way around. so what could Sasuke do offensively to Raikage? nothing.

the chidori left a paper cut and Amaterasu couldnt hit him.. and thats really all he has.. please dont say Tsukiyomi cuz even Danzo said Sasuke's Tsukiyomi was weak..

You make such a big deal about A dodging Amaterasu and don't mention how he was only able to do so because they already had knowledge on Amaterasu, apparently thanks to seeing Itachi or something. C stated that Raikage concentrated his chakra to produce a shushin. Even Hanzou who was a slowpoke againts Mifune dodged Nagato's Gedo Mazou, does that make him > Nagato?

so you make it sound like a crime to have intel on another ninja. Naruto recieved intel on Pain to beat him. Shikamaru had to learn how Hidan fight to beat him. Samui's intel on Kin Gin helped Darui beat them. whats your point?

and yes your right its not that big of a deal Raikage dodging Amaterasu cuz really Amaterasu is not even a big deal. name one time Amaterasu has ever killed anybody?? lol only good amaterasu has done is allow Itachi escape Jiraiya.

Pain is 6 people. Hanzo is one. we already know Pain won. you didnt make any sense bringing them up.. but you know what Raikages speed was giving him the edge and you cant argue that...

Dude by your logic physical strength is the only thing that should be taken into consideration and when Orochimaru is > Tsunade, Sage Naruto was not stronger than MS Sasuke by his own accord, etc!! By your logic guys like Minato, Itachi, Sasuke are weaklings! They use skill and their brain. Brawn doesn't always win a fight. Intelligence does too, and Sasuke outsmarted Raikage or atleast put himself in a win-win situation.

and your logic says that healing yourself during a fight means you lose. i had mentioned the Sasuke vs Killer Bee fight and you failed to comment on it.. maybe you should think about that fight... Sasuke almost died, jump Bee and had to be healed twice! would you say he lost against Bee?

Doesnt help your argument that you say he was soooo anxious to fight Sasuke he even attacked Madara and asked for help, when he only did that AFTER he was healed.

he was anxious to fight Sasuke before he was healed! he told Shi to quickly heal him so he could attack! and he wouldnt have stopped to be healed if Gaara hadnt interupted!!! the fight was paused because of Gaara, so A took that time to stop the blood. why do you continue to make a big deal of that? how does that prove Raikage would have lost?

Dawg if someone lost an arm in an MMA match they'd cancel the match

if in a MMA fight someone has black flames coming out of there eyes or electricity surrounding their body i think they would stop the fight at that point too....

your not getting the point.. in boxing, MMA or sports in general, there are breaks in between. the person or team that suffer the most injuries doesnt always neccesarly end up as the loser.

an MMA fighter could have a battered face but end up knocking his opponent out.

Again apparently it is you who hasn't seen much MMA fights. Just because someone is on the defensive doesn't mean they won't win. Its just a way of fighting. Making Raikage do what he did. Making him **** himself.

if all a person do is be defensive, block and dont throw any punches, they will surely lose! wow seriously when was the last time you've seen a fight with a dude not throwing any punches or kicks or doing any moves and end up winning? its not a way of fighting, its a way of LOSING..

Sasuke did not use Amaterasu to have Raikage bitchslap him! he used Amaterasu to make Raikage pull his punches..

I can tell your a Sasuke hater from just that first line.

lol ooh i love it when they start resorting to name calling! yeah i must be a hater if im proving you so wrong about Sasuke winning that fight agaisnt Raikage. that makes sense.. if it makes you feel better bro lol...

1. Raikage is the one who had his butt kicked lost his best arm and was healed while Sasuke proceeded to fight kages. Raikage had knowledge about Sasuke's Amaterasu and thats how he dodged it, knew of his Sharingan and both of his affinities.

Raikage is the one that stayed offensive, sacrificed his arm and was healed only because Gaara interupted to chat with Sasuke.

Sasuke being a douche, proceeds to attack Gaara for only trying to reach out to him and the other Kages try to stop him cuz Mei has a grudge on Akatsuki and Onoiki just did it cuz "the world wants to see him dead"..

Raikage had intel on Sasuke. but who doesnt know about MS? really? Madara is the one that made MS legendary. Itachi also was knowned to have it. Shi knew Itachi had MS. even one of the Samurais knew about Amaterasu and warned his fellow samurais not to get close to the black flames, and he isnt even a ninja, hes a samurai!!! Kisame knew that Itachi overusing MS would be harmful. Kakashi knew Itachi's techniques. Jugo, Suigetsu and Karin recognized MS techniques everytime Sasuke used it. Chiyo knew about sharingan and had stragedies on fighting an Uchiha when she encountered Itachi. Jiraiaya seeing Amaterasu for the first time knew better to warn Naruto not to touch it and sealed it with a toad jutsu. strong jutsus are known, MS is not a big secret to the ninja world, so what was your point in saying Raikage knew about Amaterasu?!? is that you attempt to give him an excuse to dodging it?! Sasuke who is no where near close to Raikage's speed dodged Amaterasu when Itachi used it! amaterasu is a weak excuse of an MS technique!

2. Sasuke was just testing Gaara out with Enton, and since back in part 1, Sasuke stated fire is weak againts sand. It was easy for Gaara as he had already seen the flames and they were already out. Out of all of Sasuke's jutsus, that was the easiest one for Gaara to deal with. He hasn't shown a counter to genjutsu, Tsukuyomi, Chidori, Susanoo. His chidori pierced his sand back in part 1. And Sasuke was just testing Gaara. Regardless Gaara seemed ****ed againts the Big Susanoo.

Sasuke was not testing Gaara. Sasuke was aiming to burn Gaara. and are you sersiouly bringing up a fight that happened 3 years ago before Gaara became Kazekage?

no chidori did not peirce his sand. it was Sasuke's speed that allowed him to bypass Gaaras defensive sand to hit him with chidori. but if you continue the events that day you would have mentioned that Gaara pwned Sasuke, who failed to save Sakura!

no Gaara didnt seemed "whatever curse word you used".. you know why? cuz Sasuke used Sasuno to escape..

but thats besides the point...........

Don't be a hater. Susanoo is just a jutsu. A powerful jutsu. It can serve as a great defense, just like Raikage's Raiton shroud saved his ass from Sasuke's chidori and chidori sword. Both are jutsus. Just as Gaara uses his sand for protection. Every strong shinobi should have a defense. Susanoo is just part of Sasuke's true powers.

yes resort to calling me a "hater".. good job..

Sasuno is a good jutsu actaully. great defensive and great offensive.. but Sasuke was not being offensive with it agaisnt Raikage or any of the Kages. 1st time he used it offensively was agasisnt Danzo!

im not hating on defenses but seeing how Sasuke's offensive attacks proved to be worthless agaisnt Raikage it shows in the long run he would have lost, especially after just shortly fighting the other kages he ran out of juice.

Sasuke's chidori did nothing to stop Raikage and A responded with a power bomb that should have killed him. than he spits amaterasu and Raikage dodges it, gets behind him and pimp smack the mess out of him. when Sasuke missed the enton thats when he switched to defensive cuz all of his offensive attacks were doing him no justice!

But if he gets healed is fine, right? Sasuke wasn't fighting A at that point. He was fighting Gaara and Darui and he noticed he had felt too apart from his main objective which was Danzou and went after him.

Gaara and Darui attacked Sasuke. Raikage was using the time Gaara used to interupt and talk to Sasuke to heal himself and he had intended to finish the fight on his own. Sasuke ran away from Raikage. whatever excuse he had, he ran from him and Raikage wanted to continue the fight..

You say is fine for Raikage to take a break, yet if Sasuke goes againts Danzou its not?

when did i ever say its not fine for Sasuke to be healed before Danzo? when did i say that? your the one thats saying that its not fine for Raikage to be healed. and he didnt take a break! he was interupted! so if you think its not ok for Raikage to heal himself after being interupted do you think Sasuke being healed before Danzo isnt ok also? you think because Raikage was healed it means he lost. do you think Sasuke being healed before Danzo mean he lost?

better yet do you think Sasuke being healed twice, losing a chunk of his chest, having support from Suigetsu, Jugo and Karin and almost dying multiple times from Bee means he lost that fight? i remember Sasuke taking breaks many times to have his chest replaced. Suigetsu had to stall for him so he could retreat a little. he was stabbed be Bee and Karin had to give him some of her chakra to heal him. so whats your thoughts?

See above.

Trust me, I would have liked to see Raikage end up without any limbs and they made Bee or Darui the Raikage facing Big Susanoo Sasuke but thats not what Kishi gave us. I mean, if his best kick is tanked by Gaara's sand just imagine how Susanoo will make short work of him.

"I would have liked to see Raikage end up without any limbs"

wow really its like that? im not going to resort to calling you a Raikage hater, but......

Gaara's sand was alot stronger than Sasuke's predeveloped broken ribs Sasuno lol.. Sasuke's Sasuno upgraded when defending agaisnt Gaara team and Darui and thats becasue he became darker and more sinister after chatting with Gaara.

but Raikage's leg would have went through predeveloped Sasuno, got black flames, go through the flames and go through Sasukes neck, than Sasuke's face and skull would be engulfed in flames and Sasuke would be dead..

it should be very clear to you who would have won the fight if Gaara didnt interupt...

Yes it did, her acid was what affected him, which she noted was because he was already too weak which was 3 MS justu after fighting Raikage, which should have being enough to finishing him off.

yes Sasuke was weak after spamming MS and fighting Raikage! now imagine if Gaara didnt interupt how eventually Sasukes Sasuno would have gave in and Raikage would have killed him...

You are acting like a baby. Saying is fine for Raikage to get healed againts Sasuke, but saying Sasuke was butt saved after fighting Raikage, Kazekage, Mizukage, Mifune, Tsuchikage, Darui, Kankurou, Temari, C, Mizukage bodyguard.

i've gone from "hater" to "baby" ok.... awesome

why is it you dont find it equally wrong for Sasuke to be healed before Danzo or saved by Madara if you find it wrong for Raikage to be healed after being interupted by Gaara?

?!?!?

Because he knew Sasuke was ****ed up already and he was healed.

so why is it ok for Sasuke to be healed and not Raikage?

The toll wasn't worst than losing limbs/life.

1st off nobody lost a life, fortunately for Sasuke. nobody lost a limb either. Raikage sacrificed his limb...

let me ask you this.. would you say Madara beat Minato because Minato died and Madara didnt? Minato used a jutsu that sacrificed himself and obviously pwned Madara with FTG/Rasengan combo but since Minato "lost" (i would say sacrificed) his life, would you say Minato lost?

or same situation, would you say Orochimaru beat Hiruzen? the 3rd used a jutsus to sacrifice himself but he not only beat Oro and sealed his hands but he simutaneously beat the 1st and 2nd. but in the end he "lost" (sacrificed) his life. so do you think Oro won or 3rd did?

answer both please...

Well duh he made it to counter A's speed and it worked. A was ****ed since he didn't comply with not blitzing Sasuke.

well duh thats what ive been saying !

it worked in getting him pwned!

You basically admitted Sasuke was stronger than A if they were 1 vs 1. You admitted that without C (external help) A would have died from bloodloss or Amaterasu might have engulfed his entire body thus killing him. You said it not me.

no i didnt. because hadnt Raikage been interupted he may have finished with the Gulliotine Drop going through Sasukes neck/skull.. the flames would have caught on Raikages leg but than they also would have caught on Sasukes face!

He did do that. Because like a bitch he need be heal before attack again. Even Goku refuse to eat a sensu bean to beat Cell. Goku have honor, Raikage no.

what?!? Raikage was interupted lol.. dont you understand that throughout the whole time nothing was stopping Raikage's attacks!? NOTHING!. Not a chidori, amaterasu, sasuno, amaterasu+sasuno! nothing was making him stop pwn Sasuke, not even losing his own limbs! he was forced to stop by Kazekage and he took that time to heal. he wasnt hiding, he wasnt stalling, he was interupted and he had every intent to continue what he started!

and dude dont even get started using Dragonball Z.. do you see my avator?? lol you new and you dont know better but seriously man :flaw: dont do it to yourself!

Goku didnt even beat Cell! he only fought Cell to give Gohan, who he always intended to fight and beat Cell, an oppurtunity to learn how Cell fights! and Goku did eat a sensu after fighting Cell! he even gave Cell a sensu before fighting his own son, Gohan...

and you want to talk about honor?!? what honor does Sasuke have?!? Raikage has more honor in his left nut than Sasuke has in his whole body! "honor"?? whats honorable for a person to abandon his village, to attack his comrades, to seek revenge, to try to kill Karin- who had supported him and helped him in his path to fight Itachi and Danzo! whats honorable about that?

Raikage had enough honor to be recognized and chosen to be leader of the whole ninja alliance..

LMAO i love those pics NVG, raikage epic power bombs ftw.

lol thanks man!! that bitchslap is ftw as well lol

 

[DeathReaperSeal]

just wanted to point out, sasuke was also defeated by killer bee .

LARIATTA if I can remember correctly if Jugo was not there he would died in an instant.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

just because its not shown doesn't mean they don't have it, hes the kage of a village of lightning users if hes raikage he'll know more then 2 moves (lightning armor/body flicker) even if hes like guy guy knows his main power taijutsu+gates, he can still use summoning jutsu just not as a main attack.



noone said anything about itachi using MS C said something like is sasuke more talented then itachi idk if he means with amaterasu or just in general because he was shaping fire with his eyes but A thought the new eyes sasuke had was MS, doesn't mean itachi faught raikage in the past, word gets around about strong techs like MS.

even if he didn't know about it he was fast enough to dodge a close range instant forming fire before it touched him, and appear behind him before his sharingan could tell that he'd moved behind him, thats some speed right there lol.




his physical strength,speed and chakra and knowing how to fight is what makes him a kage, just like minatos intel and speed (and knowledge of sealing i guess) made minato hokage and why guy was able to beat kisame. i blame him punching thru sasuke's enton sheild on the fact that at the time of the fight he thought sasuke had abducted his younger brother to have his tailed beast taken out which basicly kills the host. if you aren't pissed at the person who does that, you probably woulda killed your brother yourself if he were annoying enough lol.



Sasuke only fought danzo after he was healed and he even needed healing multiple times in the bee fight but he still "captured" bee so mission success?
his wound was healed but he was still down an arm and wanting to take on sasuke.





sasuke got choped in the face and was about to have his skull caved in while his arm was still on fire, not his idea for sasuke to piss off gaara the guy who saved his hide and have even more people try to kill him.





yep and his wasn't even complete, but those ribs were the true power of susanoo they melt from mei's acid, they break from physical attacks and without enough chakra they'll go away just like any jutsu but he still gets the full body backlash from using it (that sucks lol)




he didn't need healing to keep fighting but the fight was stoped at the time, sasuke healed between the summit and danzo fights thats not any worse then A choping his arm off and having the bleeding stoped they are smart moves intelligence doesn't = dieing for stupid reasons

and yeah he left to find danzo, but it'd been stupid for him to keep fighting the kages either way



lol thtd been ****ed up.




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sasuke would still have died from the leg drop, so mute point really if he hadn't stoped to cut his arm off sasuke woulda been dead.



lol honor doesn't =dieing from fire.

i love how you put it! lool...

"intelligence doesnt+dying for stupid reasons" win.

Ths topic makes me want to see A's bitchslap in motion

argueing about this makes me cant wait for thurs.. hopefully the manga and anime comes out and we get to see Raikage's facepalm Sasuke.

@ Sarutobi please provide proof that A's kick would have killed the Sauce. A's kick was blocked by Gaara's sand it can be blocked by Enton + Susanoo aura. At best some damage would be made, but saying he'd kill him is just ridiculous.

Sasuke was healed to fight another opponent, unlike A who was healed to fight Sasuke himself.

It seem most of these kages have already shown their best stuff, maybe they have more stuff but it seems their fighting style is revolved around the same things. Raikage his Raiton shroud, Tsuchikage his smasher block againts Dei and Sasuke, Mizukage around her bloodline, Gaara around his sand. And like I said hes a taijutsu fighter, he may have other stuff, but his Raiton shroud is his strongest stuff.

Sasuke hides behind Susanoo, Gaara behind his sand, A behind his raiton armor. These are their jutsu and all of their fighting styles are different.

the proof is all there man.. throughout the whole fight Raikage was attacking THROUGH amaterasu and sasuno.. what would have made the leg drop different?

Gaaras sand stopped the attack but how come Sasuno and Amaterasu couldnt stop Raiga Bomb and stop Sasuke from eating Raikage's fist? Gaaras sand was stronger than predevelopped Sasuno. Sasuno was falling apart from Raikages attacks!

Sasuke was healed to fight another opponent.. ok.. but what about the Killer Bee fight? Sasuke was healed twice, had support and almost died alot of times. what do you have to say about that?

you keep saying Raikage has taijutsu like thats a bad thing. it has been proven that with enough skill and training Taijutsu can beat even the best of opponents. Guy, Lee, Sasuke, Raikage, Bee, Naruto, even Sakura, they've all proven this...

Sasuke hid behind his Sasuno, using it to defend and to run away. Gaara uses his sand to defend AND attack. Raikage uses his Raiton Armor to defend AND attack.. big difference..

dude you need to admit that Sasuke lost. you've been proven wrong...

 

[NarutoXx37]

sasuke could beat the raikage with itachi's eye inplant

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

sasuke could beat the raikage with itachi's eye inplant

nobodies talking about that! whats being discuss is, who won the fight Sasuke and Raikage had or who would have won had Gaara not interefered... not if Sasuke had EMS..

 

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I can says it because Sasuke is a little cocky *

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

@ Sarutobi please provide proof that A's kick would have killed the Sauce. A's kick was blocked by Gaara's sand it can be blocked by Enton + Susanoo aura. At best some damage would be made, but saying he'd kill him is just ridiculous.

Sasuke was healed to fight another opponent, unlike A who was healed to fight Sasuke himself.

It seem most of these kages have already shown their best stuff, maybe they have more stuff but it seems their fighting style is revolved around the same things. Raikage his Raiton shroud, Tsuchikage his smasher block againts Dei and Sasuke, Mizukage around her bloodline, Gaara around his sand. And like I said hes a taijutsu fighter, he may have other stuff, but his Raiton shroud is his strongest stuff.

Sasuke hides behind Susanoo, Gaara behind his sand, A behind his raiton armor. These are their jutsu and all of their fighting styles are different.

it might have been blocked by susanoo aura(Armored complete version), but all sasuke had out was bare bones, no armor or muscle at all just bones and they weren't even covering his body just his back and sides and raikage was droping onto his face from above, and fire doesn't block things it burns them, you can pass your hand through a fire if your fast enough you won't be burned and if its a little fire like a lighter you probably won't feel it unless you hold your hand on it.

edit: the sand that blocked the kick was also his personal sand, loaded up with chakra making it much more powerful then normal, its the stuff he caught deidara's arm with and crushed it in the air, and his first line defence it blocked kimmi's fingertip bullets and lees non gate attacks

 

[KyuubiYondaime]

Raikage could have easily been defensive. what was Sasuke going to do about it? through more Amaterasus for Raikage to dodge? Sasuke's Sasuno was nt even developed agasint Raikage to be used offensively agasint him. so you tell me what could Sasuke do to hurt Raikage? Raikage chose to hurt himself attacking Sasuke. not the other way around. so what could Sasuke do offensively to Raikage? nothing.

the chidori left a paper cut and Amaterasu couldnt hit him.. and thats really all he has.. please dont say Tsukiyomi cuz even Danzo said Sasuke's Tsukiyomi was weak..

Sasuke did have the Big Susanoo. He stated to Juugo "Juugo don't worry, if he (Zetsu) tries anything funny I'll ue Amaterasu on him. Or better yet there's something new I wanted to try out." Then Sasuke uses the Big Susanoo Juugo says "so this is what he wanted to try out" which means he already had it.

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C also states his chakra when he used the Big Susanoo is equal when he used his Genjutsu.

Is he speaking as he just got it?

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"Gaara my defense is better than yours."

Here you can clearly see The Big Susanoo ****ing C up.

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He also could have used Chidori eisou to cut A into pieces like he cut Hachibi limb, Kirin, Tsukuyomi, etc. Tsukuyomi to create an oppening, then cut his head off with chidori eisou.

and your logic says that healing yourself during a fight means you lose. i had mentioned the Sasuke vs Killer Bee fight and you failed to comment on it.. maybe you should think about that fight... Sasuke almost died, jump Bee and had to be healed twice! would you say he lost against Bee?

Yes he lost againts Bee. Besides it was Taka vs Bee. Bee vs Sasuke would have killed Sasuke, just like A would have died of bloodloss againts Sasuke w/o healer.

he was anxious to fight Sasuke before he was healed! he told Shi to quickly heal him so he could attack! and he wouldnt have stopped to be healed if Gaara hadnt interupted!!! the fight was paused because of Gaara, so A took that time to stop the blood. why do you continue to make a big deal of that? how does that prove Raikage would have lost?

If he was so anxious he could have gone before being healed and get healed later, but he didn't, because he knew whats good for him. He's a dumbass, but not THAT dumb.

your not getting the point.. in boxing, MMA or sports in general, there are breaks in between. the person or team that suffer the most injuries doesnt always neccesarly end up as the loser.

an MMA fighter could have a battered face but end up knocking his opponent out.

A break is fine as long as Sasuke could have taken a break as well and not have to face Gaara and Darui.

if all a person do is be defensive, block and dont throw any punches, they will surely lose! wow seriously when was the last time you've seen a fight with a dude not throwing any punches or kicks or doing any moves and end up winning? its not a way of fighting, its a way of LOSING..

:facepalm

Of course he'd have to attack at some point, well in this case not, since Raikage was ****ing himself up with the Enton, but thats a way of causing damage in case you hadn't noticed.

Oh and incase you hadn't noticed I didn't say this Sasuke was stronger than A just that he would have won under those circumstances of that fight in which A was acting like that. Regardless, he had an advantage in knowing about Amaterasu so regular way Sasuke would win IMO anyway...But by the time Sasuke fought Danzo he was surely stronger than A.

Raikage had intel on Sasuke. but who doesnt know about MS? really? Madara is the one that made MS legendary. Itachi also was knowned to have it. Shi knew Itachi had MS. even one of the Samurais knew about Amaterasu and warned his fellow samurais not to get close to the black flames, and he isnt even a ninja, hes a samurai!!! Kisame knew that Itachi overusing MS would be harmful. Kakashi knew Itachi's techniques. Jugo, Suigetsu and Karin recognized MS techniques everytime Sasuke used it. Chiyo knew about sharingan and had stragedies on fighting an Uchiha when she encountered Itachi. Jiraiaya seeing Amaterasu for the first time knew better to warn Naruto not to touch it and sealed it with a toad jutsu. strong jutsus are known, MS is not a big secret to the ninja world, so what was your point in saying Raikage knew about Amaterasu?!? is that you attempt to give him an excuse to dodging it?! Sasuke who is no where near close to Raikage's speed dodged Amaterasu when Itachi used it! amaterasu is a weak excuse of an MS technique!

The MS wasn't used for 100 years for majority of time. Jiraiya who even knew of Madara apparently didn't know of Amaterasu. Even Sasuke, who read Uchiha shrine and was an Uchiha didn't know about Susanoo.

Everyone knows Sharingan is an hypnotic eye. Chiyo knew etc. But Chiyo didn't know about Tsukuyomi.

Kakashi later knew about Amaterasu because he saw Itachi's Amaterasu at the forest and he was told about Susanoo from Gaara at the summit.

C compared Sasuke's Amaterasu directly to Itachi's so it seems someone in the cloud village might have encountered Itachi's before.

Sasuke was not testing Gaara. Sasuke was aiming to burn Gaara. and are you sersiouly bringing up a fight that happened 3 years ago before Gaara became Kazekage?

no chidori did not peirce his sand. it was Sasuke's speed that allowed him to bypass Gaaras defensive sand to hit him with chidori. but if you continue the events that day you would have mentioned that Gaara pwned Sasuke, who failed to save Sakura!

Sasuke lost to Gaara in part 1 because of Gaara's bijuu form, which he lost, and because at the time he could only use 2 chidori a day, and then the curse seal ****ed him over.

His chidori did pierce Gaara's egg sand defense.

no Gaara didnt seemed "whatever curse word you used".. you know why? cuz Sasuke used Sasuno to escape..

but thats besides the point...........

1 vs 1 Gaara is no match for Sasuke.

Gaara lost to Deidara who was holding back in a dessert full of sand, and Sasuke beat Deidara, him holding back. Deidara even gave his life and couldnt win. Sasuke had elemental advantage. But Deidara had anti sharingan genjutsu advantage, which Gaara hasn't shown.

Gaara hasn't even shown a way to deal with Sasuke's Regular Genjutsu let alone Tsukuyomi, Chidori and Chidori variants, Sasuke's speed, and even taijutsu, let alone Big Susanoo if he isn't in a dessert, and even in one he lost to Deidara.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

about the "He also could have used Chidori eisou to cut A into pieces like he cut Hachibi limb, Kirin, Tsukuyomi, etc. Tsukuyomi to create an oppening, then cut his head off with chidori eisou."

he used a chidori head on, and couldn't do more then a small cut on raikage's chest, which raikage admited he was suprised sasuke could even touch him and that he knew that was kakashi's jutsu he was using. he'd hurt him with chidori spear if no raiton armor, otherwise no.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Sasuke did have the Big Susanoo. He stated to Juugo "Juugo don't worry, if he (Zetsu) tries anything funny I'll ue Amaterasu on him. Or better yet there's something new I wanted to try out." Then Sasuke uses the Big Susanoo Juugo says "so this is what he wanted to try out" which means he already had it.

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C also states his chakra when he used the Big Susanoo is equal when he used his Genjutsu.

Is he speaking as he just got it?

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"Gaara my defense is better than yours."

Here you can clearly see The Big Susanoo ****ing C up.

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wow thats the best arguement you made ... your right Sasuke had 2nd level Sasuno in his arsenal but he wasnt preparing to use that to block Raikage's leg drop he was focusing on his enton to help him which wouldnt have...

He also could have used Chidori eisou to cut A into pieces like he cut Hachibi limb, Kirin, Tsukuyomi, etc. Tsukuyomi to create an oppening, then cut his head off with chidori eisou.

shoulda coulda woulda... yea well he used chidori and it did nothing for him right? chidori eisou is just a longer extended chidori, it cut the tentacle but a frontal chidori didnt even leave a scratch on Raikage..

correction.. it ONLY left a scratch on Raikage

Yes he lost againts Bee. Besides it was Taka vs Bee. Bee vs Sasuke would have killed Sasuke, just like A would have died of bloodloss againts Sasuke w/o healer.

omg facepalm.. i disagree.. even though Sasuke had to be healed and helped he and his team beat Bee. obviously he would have lost 1 on 1 but he won that fight. he did not complete his objection though since Bee escaped but Sasuke made him submit and forced him to escape..

If he was so anxious he could have gone before being healed and get healed later, but he didn't, because he knew whats good for him. He's a dumbass, but not THAT dumb.

lol i think your true colors are showing.. you really have something agaisnt Raikage.. or are you that big of a Sasuke fan? lol

anyways.. Raikage isnt stupid to go in attacking while his arm is burning up, risk killing himself. he was interupted and decided to heal himself while Gaara talked to Sasuke. get over it man..

A break is fine as long as Sasuke could have taken a break as well and not have to face Gaara and Darui.

Sasuke did get his break eventually when Madara saved him...

:facepalm

Of course he'd have to attack at some point, well in this case not, since Raikage was ****ing himself up with the Enton, but thats a way of causing damage in case you hadn't noticed.

oh i noticed friend. i noticed the damage caused while Sasuke getting a Falcon Pawnch by Raikage!

Oh and incase you hadn't noticed I didn't say this Sasuke was stronger than A just that he would have won under those circumstances of that fight in which A was acting like that. Regardless, he had an advantage in knowing about Amaterasu so regular way Sasuke would win IMO anyway...But by the time Sasuke fought Danzo he was surely stronger than A.

i honestly cant say i disagree. his Sasuno was more advanced and he was using it offensively but than again it was because of the emotions involved fighting Danzo that aided Sasuke in being strong enough to defeat him...

The MS wasn't used for 100 years for majority of time. Jiraiya who even knew of Madara apparently didn't know of Amaterasu. Even Sasuke, who read Uchiha shrine and was an Uchiha didn't know about Susanoo.

MS wasnt used for 100 years but Itachi's was still recognized by Kakashi. Rinnegan was thought to be a legend but at first sight Jiraiya recognized it..

Jiraiya knew enough about Amaterasu to stay away from it. Sasuke as a child didnt even know about MS until his father told him. strong techiniques are known but people eventually learn. they arent born learning about them but they eventually do hear about them..

Everyone knows Sharingan is an hypnotic eye. Chiyo knew etc. But Chiyo didn't know about Tsukuyomi.

Kakashi later knew about Amaterasu because he saw Itachi's Amaterasu at the forest and he was told about Susanoo from Gaara at the summit.

C compared Sasuke's Amaterasu directly to Itachi's so it seems someone in the cloud village might have encountered Itachi's before.

your just proving my point.. btw Kakashi saw the black flames and knew they were Amaterasu.. anyways your just proving my point and see above!

Sasuke lost to Gaara in part 1 because of Gaara's bijuu form, which he lost, and because at the time he could only use 2 chidori a day, and then the curse seal ****ed him over.

His chidori did pierce Gaara's egg sand defense.

"Sasuke lost to Gaara" that says it all no need for me to address this comment except it was Sasukes speed that allowed him to bypass Gaaras sand. smh im not argueing with you just go read and watch the manga and anime..

1 vs 1 Gaara is no match for Sasuke.

Gaara lost to Deidara who was holding back in a dessert full of sand, and Sasuke beat Deidara, him holding back. Deidara even gave his life and couldnt win. Sasuke had elemental advantage. But Deidara had anti sharingan genjutsu advantage, which Gaara hasn't shown.

Gaara hasn't even shown a way to deal with Sasuke's Regular Genjutsu let alone Tsukuyomi, Chidori and Chidori variants, Sasuke's speed, and even taijutsu, let alone Big Susanoo if he isn't in a dessert, and even in one he lost to Deidara.

sigh... wtf does this have to do with Raikage vs Sasuke?! are you a Sasuke fanboy? i thought you guys were extinct?!?

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If Gaara never stepped in Raikage would have killed Sasuke, and only lost an arm and leg U_U

what he said....

 

[MrSharingan]

lol this is getting ridiculous. Sasuke didn't win, get over it

 

[KyuubiYondaime]

wow thats the best arguement you made ... your right Sasuke had 2nd level Sasuno in his arsenal but he wasnt preparing to use that to block Raikage's leg drop he was focusing on his enton to help him which wouldnt have...

Ok so you know better than Sasuke because unlike him you were hit by Raikage and know what it takes to stop it better than he does right?

Susanoo is activated instantly. It was able to stop Kirin which is lightning speed. Lightning speed is 186000 miles per second so if the Enton failed he could still have used it dawg.

omg facepalm.. i disagree.. even though Sasuke had to be healed and helped he and his team beat Bee. obviously he would have lost 1 on 1 but he won that fight. he did not complete his objection though since Bee escaped but Sasuke made him submit and forced him to escape..

But if Sasuke was alone againts Bee he would have died which is what I said about Raikage being alone with Sasuke, A would have died because C wouldn't have being able to heal him.

Its out of character for Sasuke to start a fight with Amaterasu. Yes, Amaterasu could have finished Bee off, but at the same time, Bee's V2 could have finished Sasuke off anytime. The fact is, Sasuke didn't even have Susano ribs againts Bee and thats what cost his down fall mostly. If he had had it, then he would have beaten Bee without any help.

lol i think your true colors are showing.. you really have something agaisnt Raikage.. or are you that big of a Sasuke fan? lol

Lol xd

anyways.. Raikage isnt stupid to go in attacking while his arm is burning up, risk killing himself. he was interupted and decided to heal himself while Gaara talked to Sasuke. get over it man..

Then hes not as macho macho as you made him out to be

Sasuke did get his break eventually when Madara saved him...

After fighting many kages, not just A.

i honestly cant say i disagree. his Sasuno was more advanced and he was using it offensively but than again it was because of the emotions involved fighting Danzo that aided Sasuke in being strong enough to defeat him...

Bro is Susanoo not Sasuno, just for the record...

Sasuke fought like a retard againts Danzo...

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[wade]

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i just almost shit my trousers looking at that pic ^
first of all
i read almost every post on this topic and i got alot to say but im to lazy quote

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first of all, ima take it back a few chapters to when taka tried to jump B
If i recall, bee pretty much hospitalized all 4 of them with next to little effort, BUT since sasuke and taka didn't die, and bee lost some tentacles from his bijuu mode, does that mean bee lost the fight?? I dont really think so personally...

Thank u I agree

1) its a 1st time for everything
2) u can try to make it look funny but da point is he lost his arm and did not do as much damage as he intended

Again good points also wen u have to jump 1 guy and lose a arm and be saved by another 1 of ur boys dats a lost....period also if u doing all da attacking and get da most injures imo dats a loss

AND black uchiha theres a few points where i gotta kinda shut you down bro,
If i recall it was a pretty fair 3v3 sasuke suigetsu juugo v A CD, there wasn't anyone who brought there boys and go his ass whooped because if i recall, suigetsu got handled with ease by darui and juugo got owned by raikage and sasuke owned C by a genjutsu lol, 2nd of all yeah he lost his arm, but it was all on his own free will, i know its a story but idk about you, but i have a younger brother that i am very close to, *remember the situation he thought bee DIED to sasuke* If someone killed my brother, and i had to lose my hand to bitch slap him, i'd do it in a heart beat no questions asked, and if i had to lose my leg and possibly my life to end his, i'd also do it in a heart beat no questions asked... Kishi did very well in this fight, ALSO gaara didn't save raikage, he saved sasuke and wanted to talk to him, and to everyone gaara is a kage, and his sand is a kage level jutsu just a FYI... AND i just wanna let you know, raikage told everyone to retreat for their safety, and yet sasuke is the one who retreated to go find danzou, so lets not get any of this twisted at all...

i just had to get down in this arguement