I COMPLETELY APPREEACITE THAT THE SANNIN WEREN"T AS POwERFUL AS WE SAW THEM IN PART 1 and 2. But something isn't quite right and here's my take.
Not sure what the hell is going on with hanzo I'm hoping he regroups fast, really fast. I know the sannin weren't as powerful during their fight against hanzo but surely Hanzo will show us why Jiraiya was surprised pain beat hanzo by himself considering jiraiya did very well against pain himself.
Maybe partly the reason Hanzo didn't compete well against pain is the same reason hes doing crap now. It would seem Hanzo has been mentally scared from the war with his country(rain) with the 5 ninija villages. His dream of making the ninja world one looks like it hit him hard when he found out he wasn't strong enough to do it alone to join forces with danzo.
This would be very irrating if hanzo doesn't show us more before he gets sealed of something because this will be the last chance plot wise for kishi to show how strong hanzo was and how he fought. Hanzo is one of the few chacarters that were in the third hokages era it would be a shame if kishi doesn't do them justice.
Also what hanzo's jutsu used so far isn't the only thing that is disapoointing me.
Being a legendary shinobi is not just about how much chakra/techniques you have its also your mental level headedness during battle. Look at shinobi like madara/minato/nagato/jiraiya/orcoihmaru/third hokage when they're in action you just know they are gonna in charge it's all about the battle presence and hanzo has disappointed me in that regard so far. I was expecting the total opppoiste from what hanzo has shown already, but that just me.
Hanzo hasn't been acting like a shinobi in this fight not very level headed at all, but like I said maybe kishi is doing this on purpose to convey hanzo doesn't care anymore about pride etc.. he was resurected by force after all.
Either case this is THE FRIST AND ONLY TIME WE ARE EVER GONNA SEE HIM IN ACTION. I can't stress that enought.
really disapointed so far, hanzo deserves better far better.
Again, it's just us, fans that are supposing this part that Hanzo is great, will show us more, lost because of blah blah blah...
Kishi might show us more but frankly, I think Kishi clearly thinks that Hanzo is not that powerful and will not need to do more than 2 chapters for him...
So hey, it's def. the last chance to show us all he got but either way, what he can show us will be shown in only 1 chapter surely.
If he was that awesome, all his jutsus will not be contained in one chapter. So all in all, he's just overhyped...
The Sannin were indeed young and likely at their best would each be able to kill Hanzo (definitely Orochimaru and Jiraiya...probably Tsnaude). We definitely all did our fair share of over hyping.
I think she already knew how to summon Katsuyu as Oro seems to know Katsuyu when they met back....Still, she's also not one of the best shinobis but she's def. better than Hanzo now...
Woe! If you mean she. You mean the fifth Hokage, if so oh no! You murder Hanzo right there. Hope your not taking about the lady who starts with a T who play with slugs.
But yea your basically right, and help us Hanzo fans feel a little better.
I have a question? In the latest manga it show Hanzo getting own by Pein. How is this possible? Hanzo made Yahiko kill himself so that means Nagato got his revenge? When Nagato was about to suck in Hanzo soul with the dragon, Hanzo used teleportation jutsu to escape. My guess is later on Nagato got his revenge anyway.
I have a question? In the latest manga it show Hanzo getting own by Pein. How is this possible? Hanzo made Yahiko kill himself so that means Nagato got his revenge? When Nagato was about to suck in Hanzo soul with the dragon, Hanzo used teleportation jutsu to escape. My guess is later on Nagato got his revenge anyway.
Yep most likely the last manga we seen was his dying days. When Nagato put a end to him.
I bet it was hard because they said the country had a civil war. But because maybe Hanzo was push to the edge he had to fight his heart out. Him fighting his heart out not believing what he used to believe in was his down fall. But man that fight must have been epic or maybe not I did not see one pain look ruffed up in the flash back all looked in pretty good shape.
i honestly thought minato did meet jiraiya at this point. minato is older than nagato i thought. nagato is the same age as itatchi i assumed,but i may be wrong,perhaps minato just did not create rasengan at the time. also i was not really disappointed at hanzo's loss, i didnt really hype him up to begin with, i just thought he was slightly stronger.
mifune didnt even let the guy use jutsu
before
chapter 531 everyone was like hanzo is goiing to own now everyone is bitchin seriously
hanzo is sill freakin alive the point of this manga was just history
Hanzo uses poisin too
i bet he had a chaotic high level area jutsu to wipe out that division
because he said this is the end of u samurai but know just because mifune has skill
to me this manga delivered and inspirational metaphorical message and also a warning not to underestimate
but no now everyone is CALLing HANZO a bitch GROW THE **** UP PPL Its a story
if u want blood and guts and shit watch afro samura again
and if you dont like the way this manga is going well prepare yourself for the worse shittt
tired of all u bitches bitch and some of yall are not even women just complaing all the damn time FOR FUK SAKE
guy guy guys...
you all are again missing the point here...
naruto is not just about strength..its more about where that strength comes from
its always been said that its things such as faith and desire to protect that makes peope strong in narutoverse....
hanzo vs sanins was hanzo with faith that he could unite the 5 nation shinobis
and it was also hanzo with his ninjutsu
hanzo vs mifune part 1 was hanzo without his ninjutsu but his faith (as mifune wouldn't allow ninjutsu) vs mifune
and hanzo defeats mifune..he goes on with life and realises he cannot unite th e5 nation shinobi loses his faith,dies.
hanzo vs mifune part 2 is hanzo with out the faith vs mifune wih his faith still intact and this time also both of them pull the excat same move but the winner is mifune...
so who has faith has won...
this is wat its always being told and it has also been portyed here
I'm a bit tired that threads spread out all this week since Mifune beat Hanzo easily. Yeah, even I was disappointed that a seemingly great ninja was presented like an idiot but then I thought of it if indeed Kishi raped him or was it us who misjudged his force...
Well, I came to the conclusion that we overhyped him uselessly. People should accept that the Sannins were indeed too weak at that time. Those who don't, check out my explanation below.
The fact is that the Sannin were indeed too young...
In fact, they haven't lost to Hanzo back then...They seemed to have a good battle and as Oro was seemingly the only one to be able to continue the battle, J-Man was wanting to continue the battle. This means that his Sage Mode was really incomplete at that time and he wanted to use it in extreme conditions and he finally didn't do anything since Tsunade (who surely gave it her all) prevented him.
If Hanzo indeed beat up all Sannins in almost full-power as you most say, then there will have been summonings beaten all around and J-Man will atleast have the 2 frogs on his shoulder...The fact is that fight was pretty too easy for Hanzo at their power levels even if combined but still, he could have lost if he didn't fled away...
Here's what I think the Sannins have learnt over the years and improved...
Jiraiya
- Better Sage Mode (still not perfected one though)
- More summonings
- Rasengan (at Hanzo time, J-Man did not meet Minato yet)
- More jutsus and eventually experience
This makes Jiraiya around 4 time more powerful than at Hanzo time....
Tsunade
- Regeneration Jutsu
- 2 times more powerful strength
- Much better med. techs and eventually experience...
This makes Tsunade around 3 time more powerful than at Hanzo time...
Orochimaru
- Edo-Tensei
- More summonings
- Body Transfer Jutsu
- More snakes jutsus
- Creepy techs and other jutsus
- More experience
This makes Orochimaru 4 times more powerful than at Hanzo time...
If we calculate it mathematically (even if it's not completely reliable...),
Total Actual Sannnin Power = 3
Total Old Sannin Power = 1/4 J-Man + 1/3 Tsunade + 1/4 Oro
= 0.833333333333
Hanzo Power = 0.8333333333333
So Yeah, basically with even 1 Sannin only could beat Hanzo now....since 1 is greater than 0.833333333
It's us who overhyped Hanzo at that time when he was shown to be total bad-azs and winning against seemingly the Sannins, not Kishi's fault...
We cannot blame it on Kishi that he just wanted to make a fool of the "great" Hanzo...We thought too great of Hanzo uselessly
Well, if we think of it more naturally, Pein disposed of Hanzo so easily since he was too weak while J-Man alone put on a valiant fight.
i think your just reading into it waay to much there was a time where hanzo was one of the strongest ninjas but his time has passed he did give orochimaru and tsunade and Jman the title because at that time he was the MAN but like i said his time was cut short by the PAIN
I'm a bit tired that threads spread out all this week since Mifune beat Hanzo easily. Yeah, even I was disappointed that a seemingly great ninja was presented like an idiot but then I thought of it if indeed Kishi raped him or was it us who misjudged his force...
Well, I came to the conclusion that we overhyped him uselessly. People should accept that the Sannins were indeed too weak at that time. Those who don't, check out my explanation below.
The fact is that the Sannin were indeed too young...
In fact, they haven't lost to Hanzo back then...They seemed to have a good battle and as Oro was seemingly the only one to be able to continue the battle, J-Man was wanting to continue the battle. This means that his Sage Mode was really incomplete at that time and he wanted to use it in extreme conditions and he finally didn't do anything since Tsunade (who surely gave it her all) prevented him.
If Hanzo indeed beat up all Sannins in almost full-power as you most say, then there will have been summonings beaten all around and J-Man will atleast have the 2 frogs on his shoulder...The fact is that fight was pretty too easy for Hanzo at their power levels even if combined but still, he could have lost if he didn't fled away...
Here's what I think the Sannins have learnt over the years and improved...
Jiraiya
- Better Sage Mode (still not perfected one though)
- More summonings
- Rasengan (at Hanzo time, J-Man did not meet Minato yet)
- More jutsus and eventually experience
This makes Jiraiya around 4 time more powerful than at Hanzo time....
Tsunade
- Regeneration Jutsu
- 2 times more powerful strength
- Much better med. techs and eventually experience...
This makes Tsunade around 3 time more powerful than at Hanzo time...
Orochimaru
- Edo-Tensei
- More summonings
- Body Transfer Jutsu
- More snakes jutsus
- Creepy techs and other jutsus
- More experience
This makes Orochimaru 4 times more powerful than at Hanzo time...
If we calculate it mathematically (even if it's not completely reliable...),
Total Actual Sannnin Power = 3
Total Old Sannin Power = 1/4 J-Man + 1/3 Tsunade + 1/4 Oro
= 0.833333333333
Hanzo Power = 0.8333333333333
So Yeah, basically with even 1 Sannin only could beat Hanzo now....since 1 is greater than 0.833333333
It's us who overhyped Hanzo at that time when he was shown to be total bad-azs and winning against seemingly the Sannins, not Kishi's fault...
We cannot blame it on Kishi that he just wanted to make a fool of the "great" Hanzo...We thought too great of Hanzo uselessly
Well, if we think of it more naturally, Pein disposed of Hanzo so easily since he was too weak while J-Man alone put on a valiant fight.
well u cannot say how many times more powerfull teh sannins are than hanzo
for the simple fact that wedidnt get to see wat hanzo has..
hanzo is a ninja whose primaty weapon is ninjutsu..
hanzo vs sannin was hanzo with his ninjutsu vs sannins..
hanzo vs mifune is hanzo without any ninjutsu vs mifune...
its like a boxer stealing all the swordsmans sword and forcing him to box with him...
so u cant really tell how strong he really is wwhen he has his swords
for me it's not just about hanzo. it's the whole way these fights are going at the moment. i mean kishi talked about a war, had all this blather about seeing your comrade's die, is hyping every enemy that pops up, yet not even one important person had even be hurt. the guys who should be superior or at least at the same level AND buffed by edo tensei are just beaten with no resistance.
- at the itachi arc sasuke barely hold his ground against deideira, and just because he was the perfect counter to him he could think about letting him live. now a immortal deideira is beaten by sai!
- the fox-kinkakku was beaten with something that he should be able to evade easily, he should be insanely fast.
- the seven swordsmen seem to be rampaged by someone without chakra.
- the moment edo tensei appeared everybody has a special technique that binds or removes souls, even madara's army.
The whole madara-kabuto-army was hyped and hyped and hyped and now disappears without ever beating a strong ninja.
btw, hanzo shouldnt even be dead now, a sword cant beat edo tensei by definiton. that's what already bothered me in kakashi vs seven swordsmen, haku shouldnt keep lying around, she's immortal. hanzo should just ignore the attacks and keep casting jutsus.
hanzo doesnt really bother me anymore, he's just the confirmation that this "war" is completely one sided because kishi decided that the good guys will slaughter the bad ones, regardless how strong the bad are supposed to be. please tell me where the entertainment value of a fight is that is decided before it begins and where one side continues to act retarded. this war has no story, no character development, no drama and no fights i can take seriously. it has nothing that made naruto naruto, nor anything that would fascinate me in another manga. If this goes on that way, I 'll quit reading my long time favorite manga, because the chapters disappoint me instead of entertaining me.
and yes, maybe hanzo was overhyped and mifune underestimated. that doesnt change the fact that hanzo who repeatedly evaded attacks with shunshin-no-jutsu was just slaughtered without any serious resistance. mifune might be able to beat him, but he shouldnt be so dominating.
totally aggree.. the only sub-important characters that you could call 'casualties' are samui and the other guy but darui says that he will get them out somehow and im guessing kishi is gonna make that happen to my annoyance. akatsuki members and reknown shinobi of the past getting worked over by average characters, its just no good.
i dont think we are overhyped bout hanzo hes still skilled just cause mifune managed to beat him alittle bit doesnt mean he aint a great ninja , hes a poison user plus teleportation, and there are bound to be more awsome techniques if kishi just gave us the chance to see a full fight of hanzo
The problem really comes from jiraiya talking him up before he died against pain. That's why I personaly expected more. And by the way dude the anime during the flashback reveals slightly more of the sannin fight with hanzo and the filler reveals more of the sannin's skills at the time of the war.
1) they had summons during that war and they used them
2) Jiraiya had his hair jutsu stuff
3)Tusade had her medical jutsu and shows some strength.
4) Orcihmaru had his snake jutsu but no bs sword.
hanzo id pretty sure will shows something over the next two chapers. At least is "fire jutsu" which apparaently is his bread and butter from databooks and other shinobi accounts in the series etc..
If Hanzo was so weak why was Jiraiya so shoked to hear that he was defeated by Pain. Plus in the battle between him and the three sannin he didnt look injured at all and I believe at that time Oro Jman and 5th all had their main summons granted I also believe they had yet to reach their peek. It seems all the dead have become weaker somehow but Hanzo has yet to be defeated only cut by a katana and in their previous fight I believe he was also cut then you see his face and their is no scar but later their is mifune gave him that.
i honestly thought minato did meet jiraiya at this point. minato is older than nagato i thought. nagato is the same age as itatchi i assumed,but i may be wrong,perhaps minato just did not create rasengan at the time. also i was not really disappointed at hanzo's loss, i didnt really hype him up to begin with, i just thought he was slightly stronger.
That Elder Toad said that as Jiraiya was diappointed that Nagato was not the child of prophecy, he later found out the genius that will put an exclamation onto the 3rd World War - Minato...
So basically, Minato should around 10 or plus years younger than Nagato...
i think your just reading into it waay to much there was a time where hanzo was one of the strongest ninjas but his time has passed he did give orochimaru and tsunade and Jman the title because at that time he was the MAN but like i said his time was cut short by the PAIN
He was the MAN at his time, so what is that he's no more a real man...
So why all that hype about a person who was strong in his time only...
Also why people are whining over a man who's no more qualified to be said 'strong'...
well u cannot say how many times more powerfull teh sannins are than hanzo
for the simple fact that wedidnt get to see wat hanzo has..
hanzo is a ninja whose primaty weapon is ninjutsu..
hanzo vs sannin was hanzo with his ninjutsu vs sannins..
hanzo vs mifune is hanzo without any ninjutsu vs mifune...
its like a boxer stealing all the swordsmans sword and forcing him to box with him...
so u cant really tell how strong he really is wwhen he has his swords
OMG! It just hit me....ITACHI is going to be revived by edo tensei! Sorry if this seemed obvious to anyone else--I honestly had never thought of it before. I can honestly say that I can understand(and expect) some of the even legendary ninjas of the past to be surpassed by some of the younger generation(most of them were defeated and killed--not dead from natural causes), Itachi is one who should NOT be surpassed by many(if any).
That will be a sick battle and I feel sorry for whoever ends up fighting him.
Maybe seeing his brother being controlled by Kabuto will bring *some* sense back to him and make him realize the kind of people he is allying himself with.
The other option is he's purposely acting this way to lure Madara into a comfort zone to gain power/experience just like he did with Orochimaru. Just a possibility.
I agree with you!! I don't think Hanzo is over hyped but still we didn't knew any thing about Mifune!!!! So he was underplayed (esp. when Danzo easily controlled him with the Shisui's Eye)!!! But once this fight is out we can see that they might be at equal standing!!!!!
10 years later? more like 20 or more years later...
Nagato saw the sanin fighting Hanzo when he was a kid...and he killed Hanzo when he was a full adult.
When Jiraya fought Hanzo, he was young, probably low to mid twenties.
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right now naruto is about 16
Kakashi is somewhere between 28-35
his Teacher, Minato would have been older than him. If he was alive today I would think Minato would be in his 40's That would make him about 25 when Naruto was born.
Jiraiya was Minato teacher, so he was somewhere in his 50's AT LEAST when he died.
Using logic, from the time Hanzo fought the sanin, until the time Pain killed him was probably 20-25 years later. Definately not in his prime anymore...
10 years later? more like 20 or more years later...
Nagato saw the sanin fighting Hanzo when he was a kid...and he killed Hanzo when he was a full adult.
When Jiraya fought Hanzo, he was young, probably low to mid twenties.
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right now naruto is about 16
Kakashi is somewhere between 28-35
his Teacher, Minato would have been older than him. If he was alive today I would think Minato would be in his 40's That would make him about 25 when Naruto was born.
Jiraiya was Minato teacher, so he was somewhere in his 50's AT LEAST when he died.
Using logic, from the time Hanzo fought the sanin, until the time Pain killed him was probably 20-25 years later. Definately not in his prime anymore...
When Naruto was 12, Tsunade was said to be 50.
Hence, Jiraiya was also 50...
Now when Naruto is 16, Jiraiya must have had 54
16 Years ago, when Kyuubi attacked and Minato died, Jiraiya must have had 38 Years old...
Minato was placed under Jiraiya's supervision at 10 years old and Minato surely took charge of Kakashi at around 17 years old...
Let suppose now that he took 1 Year to win the 3rd War, 3 to create Rasengan, some months to pass on the legacy of Rasengan to others and finally, 9 months till the birth of Naruto and his death.
So when Minato died, he should have approximately 17+5 = 22 Years old.
So when Jiraiya began training Minato, he was around 38-12 = 26 Years...
He trained the Ame Orphans for 3 Years, so let's say that Jiraiya left them, he was 24 and when he met them, he was 21...
Hence Jiraiya fought the "so-called" great Hanzo at 21...
Now let' us continue to see the difference in age between Nagato....
Nagato saw Hanzo at let's say around 10 Years old...
He trained 3 Years...He was 13...
When he beat up Pain, they seem in the 17s-20s...
Still, I took the maximum for you (20 years old even if I think that he was 18)
This makes 20 Years (Hanzo defeated) to 10 years old (first met Hanzo), it's thus a 10 Year gap.
I think my calculations are correct, atleast I hope so (try contradict me with a reason if you can)...
