1st hokage vs 4th hokage

[SKTupac]

The first was stronger then Madara at his greatest so i will say that the first is stronger.

Exactly, after he got the eyes of his brother he fought the first at the valley of end (or whatever) and i doubt that Madara didn't use the EMS. He somehow did survive, but we don't know how. However i don't think that the Fourth would keep it up with madara at full power, he said it himself.

Besides the thing what makes the fourth the best of all time, is the fact that he was so powerfull at young age. And maybe he would surpass the first if he had more time to become stronger.

 

[kenkill25]

we really dont know their full abilities but both of them defeat madara so i guess it would be a good match

 

[Olorin]

Yondaime is said to be the greatest ninja to have ever lived(they don't count Rikudo Sennin because no one can confirm he ever existed). There is a reason why he is still being used to compare other great ninja against today. The only thing Shodaime may have is wood jutsu but we've never seen any jutsu besides Flying Thunder God, Rasengan, and Reaper Death Seal from the Fourth. If he threw a couple of those tagged Shuriken he could strike Shodaime in a barrage of attacks and whats worse is if he tags Shodaime then its pretty much the same as saying he's done for. We know Yondaime uses sealing jutsu and powerful ones at that. We also know he can teleport attacks away from himself to as shown in the manga. I doubt genjutsu would work on him since he isn't going to be moving slow enough to be caught in one and I honestly doubt Shodaime could win in a speed challenge. Raikage moves near as fast as him and could move faster then the Sharingan could keep up with so it goes without saying that Yondaime would be just to over powering with his speed factor. Shodaime could create and manipulate a whole forest but how can you fight what you can't even see? If the Sharingan can't keep up I seriously doubt a normal eye could comprehend his speed and knowing Yondaime his first attack would be his only needed attack because it'd be all over in a flash hence his name the yellow flash and that being the only thing most have ever seen of him. Yondaime had a standing flee on sight order for even entire armies I doubt Shodaime was near as revered as that. You could argue Yondaime is suited for fighting others and not single opponents but he beat Madara who could phase which is probably not a jutsu he could use when he fought Shodaime. Madara is a whole other beast in his own rights though and has lost an arm on more then one count and been seen later with it intact.

aye, very very good post

 

[ranks33]

the first is the most powerful ninja when it comes to blood line,i say he whould win,next thing ppl are forgeting the first did not beat madara,madara said it him self,madara did not battle the first to win he battle him to collect some of his blood line power,for his big master plan,if he had lost the fight in truth it whould make no sence making him last bose in naruto when we have they real killing machine hunzo who i see was also fitted to be the final battle

 

[Draegod]

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Yondaime is said to be the greatest ninja to have ever lived(they don't count Rikudo Sennin because no one can confirm he ever existed). There is a reason why he is still being used to compare other great ninja against today. The only thing Shodaime may have is wood jutsu but we've never seen any jutsu besides Flying Thunder God, Rasengan, and Reaper Death Seal from the Fourth. If he threw a couple of those tagged Shuriken he could strike Shodaime in a barrage of attacks and whats worse is if he tags Shodaime then its pretty much the same as saying he's done for. We know Yondaime uses sealing jutsu and powerful ones at that. We also know fe can teleport attacks away from himself to as shown in the manga. I doubt genjutsu would work on him since he isn't going to be moving slow enough to be caught in one and I honestly doubt Shodaime could win in a speed challenge. Raikage moves near as fast as him and could move faster then the Sharingan could keep up with so it goes without saying that Yondaime would be just to over powering with his speed factor. Shodaime could create and manipulate a whole forest but how can you fight what you can't even see? If the Sharingan can't keep up I seriously doubt a normal eye could comprehend his speed and knowing Yondaime his first attack would be his only needed attack because it'd be all over in a flash hence his name the yellow flash and that being the only thing most have ever seen of him. Yondaime had a standing flee on sight order for even entire armies I doubt Shodaime was near as revered as that. You could argue Yondaime is suited for fighting others and not single opponents but he beat Madara who could phase which is probably not a jutsu he could use when he fought Shodaime. Madara is a whole other beast in his own rights though and has lost an arm on more then one count and been seen later with it intact.

Lmaoooooooo, hahaha this has to be a joke! U are a noob because u sir just made that bull shit up! No where in the manga did any ninja say the 4th was the best, they one time compared him and raikage speed, and the rasengan thing. Besides that he is narutos dad so ofcourse he is going to still be lerking. No where did kishi say minato was the best, and if u say so show me the video proof or manga that haf the interview. If not, then I would like if u stop feeding lies to these other minato fangurls (not all of em are fangurls).

Its sad that ppl have to lie to make him look good. Smh.. If yall would stop being bias u would see that speed isnt everything. U guys act like the 1sst is dumb and dont no how to fight and will just sit there and let the 4th tele by him. Smh.. Ppl like you are not true naruto fans, yall have ur favs and dont care bout other characters besides the main ones. When u dont no anything about other charters then ur favs u then become a noob! So dont become noob pls!

 

[|KirA|]

We can't say that the 4th fought with his full strength against Madara, it was an unfair match. Madara took his son and wife hostage and put the nine tails in the village to kill all people while the 4th was fighting him. He didn't want to kill Madara, he wanted to get time, to rescue his family and the village.
BTW: The 4th had still enough chakra left to seal his chakra, his wifes chakra and the fox chakra in the fox. Shouldn't that sealing instantly kill him? It could be possible that he had some chakra and life power left, after he sealed the fox's chakra away and would have survived, if he didn't overused his remaining chakra. Even his wife did survive after the fox was freed. Maybe that's why Oro could have been able to resurrect him.
BTW2: The 3rd couldn't even fully seal Oro away, the 4th sealed half of the fox chakra away. Didn't the 3rd immediatily die? The 4th didn't...

I think the 4th way stronger then the 3rd and if the 3rd was the strongest, then he would have won the fight against the 1st.
But if thats not the case, i don't know.
We didn't really see what jutsus the 1st used and what other jutsus the 4th.

 

[Olorin]

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Lmaoooooooo, hahaha this has to be a joke! U are a noob because u sir just made that bull shit up! No where in the manga did any ninja say the 4th was the best, they one time compared him and raikage speed, and the rasengan thing. Besides that he is narutos dad so ofcourse he is going to still be lerking. No where did kishi say minato was the best, and if u say so show me the video proof or manga that haf the interview. If not, then I would like if u stop feeding lies to these other minato fangurls (not all of em are fangurls).

Its sad that ppl have to lie to make him look good. Smh.. If yall would stop being bias u would see that speed isnt everything. U guys act like the 1sst is dumb and dont no how to fight and will just sit there and let the 4th tele by him. Smh.. Ppl like you are not true naruto fans, yall have ur favs and dont care bout other characters besides the main ones. When u dont no anything about other charters then ur favs u then become a noob! So dont become noob pls!

you are right i dont care for many not-main characters and guess what everybody does so

you are right kishi never said who was strongest, but u can find hints in the manga

and speed is very important but minato didnt only have speed

and lastly i just cant imagine a fight with minato, i mean only a few eyes barelly keep up with his speed, like those who are VERY VERY talented in sharingan ..., that alone is a tremendous advantage (and for reference take kakashi vs itachi, kakashi alone is extremely fast and extremely powerful, but itachi could have killed him literally without breaking a sweat with speed only), and than there is the FTG (you could complain that that is an overused excuse for minato ''fangurls'' as you say) do you imagine on what scale that attack can be used? imagine fighting som1 who without FTG is too fast for your eye and on top of everything can just dissapear when you want to strike him down and later reapear behind you and strikes before you even notice it, and he is arguably the best sealing technique user and he has the rasengan (be though as it is overused it still IS a very powerful technique) and on top of it he can ''teleport'' you with him as well as your attacks

so no in my opinion taking on minato is impossible even for the 1st hokage

in my opinion strong space time can only be countered by even or greater space time

 

[Olorin]

We can't say that the 4th fought with his full strength against Madara, it was an unfair match. Madara took his son and wife hostage and put the nine tails in the village to kill all people while the 4th was fighting him. He didn't want to kill Madara, he wanted to get time, to rescue his family and the village.
BTW: The 4th had still enough chakra left to seal his chakra, his wifes chakra and the fox chakra in the fox. Shouldn't that sealing instantly kill him? It could be possible that he had some chakra and life power left, after he sealed the fox's chakra away and would have survived, if he didn't overused his remaining chakra. Even his wife did survive after the fox was freed. Maybe that's why Oro could have been able to resurrect him.
BTW2: The 3rd couldn't even fully seal Oro away, the 4th sealed half of the fox chakra away. Didn't the 3rd immediatily die? The 4th didn't...

I think the 4th way stronger then the 3rd and if the 3rd was the strongest, then he would have won the fight against the 1st.
But if thats not the case, i don't know.
We didn't really see what jutsus the 1st used and what other jutsus the 4th.

and the 3rd did express the same feeling as Anko had when she wished for Minato to still be alive to fight orochimaru, and he was saddened by the thought that that was not possible

 

[intelsreejith]

Definitely the fourth.......
The first could trap him with his wood element technique but minato would be quick to escape with his Teleportation technique............

 

[Naruto818]

I belive it would be a tie:confused:

 

[gunnerfiz]

will vote for 1st. to beat madara in his prime and also tame the 9T is no mean feat. plus he was a bloodline. Minato may know a lot of jutsu but the 1st looked strategical. would be a good fight though

 

[ksiedu]

students will all ways surpass thir masters

 

[sagat]

ummmmm aren`t we forgetting smthn here??? i mean the 4th died before he reached his prime
i believe that the 4th would win if he was at his prime

 

[Olorin]

you are right i dont care for many not-main characters and guess what everybody does so

you are right kishi never said who was strongest, but u can find hints in the manga

and speed is very important but minato didnt only have speed

and lastly i just cant imagine a fight with minato, i mean only a few eyes barelly keep up with his speed, like those who are VERY VERY talented in sharingan ..., that alone is a tremendous advantage (and for reference take kakashi vs itachi, kakashi alone is extremely fast and extremely powerful, but itachi could have killed him literally without breaking a sweat with speed only), and than there is the FTG (you could complain that that is an overused excuse for minato ''fangurls'' as you say) do you imagine on what scale that attack can be used? imagine fighting som1 who without FTG is too fast for your eye and on top of everything can just dissapear when you want to strike him down and later reapear behind you and strikes before you even notice it, and he is arguably the best sealing technique user and he has the rasengan (be though as it is overused it still IS a very powerful technique) and on top of it he can ''teleport'' you with him as well as your attacks

so no in my opinion taking on minato is impossible even for the 1st hokage

in my opinion strong space time can only be countered by even or greater space time

cant anyone argue with this?

so i guess we can all agree minato wins xd

 

[mookyuzamaki]

you are right i dont care for many not-main characters and guess what everybody does so

you are right kishi never said who was strongest, but u can find hints in the manga

and speed is very important but minato didnt only have speed

and lastly i just cant imagine a fight with minato, i mean only a few eyes barelly keep up with his speed, like those who are VERY VERY talented in sharingan ..., that alone is a tremendous advantage (and for reference take kakashi vs itachi, kakashi alone is extremely fast and extremely powerful, but itachi could have killed him literally without breaking a sweat with speed only), and than there is the FTG (you could complain that that is an overused excuse for minato ''fangurls'' as you say) do you imagine on what scale that attack can be used? imagine fighting som1 who without FTG is too fast for your eye and on top of everything can just dissapear when you want to strike him down and later reapear behind you and strikes before you even notice it, and he is arguably the best sealing technique user and he has the rasengan (be though as it is overused it still IS a very powerful technique) and on top of it he can ''teleport'' you with him as well as your attacks

so no in my opinion taking on minato is impossible even for the 1st hokage

in my opinion strong space time can only be countered by even or greater space time

speed isnt everything obviously

madaras ems teleport was faster than

the 4ths ftg

stupid so all minato did was think strategically

to win



the 4th would have

i repeat would have
been the strongest but he died at a young age so he left his will to naruto to become the strongest


so ppl stop sayin he would no he wouldnt his ass is dead and if some how they met up the 1st would beat the 4th becasue he is to young like gara

 

[Lord Snow]

the first hokage is the strongest he defeated madara and the kyubi the fourth couldnt even beat madara and he didnt stand a chance against the kyubi mdara and the fist are the strongest and now it would be sasuke and naruto

 

[ranks33]

will vote for 1st. to beat madara in his prime and also tame the 9T is no mean feat. plus he was a bloodline. Minato may know a lot of jutsu but the 1st looked strategical. would be a good fight though

the first did not beat madara.it was just madara first step in his master plan
he said it him self in the manga

 

[ranks33]

the 4th was in his prime,he whould not get any stronger if he dont have compition,and in his time he had none,so tell me what whould make him reach the prime ur,l keep bring up,if am the strongest by far why whould i still train,the fox was madara,s pet keep that in mind

 

[Download]

it is a hard job to tell who will win but as much as i like the 4th i say the 1st will win

 

[Olorin]

speed isnt everything obviously

madaras ems teleport was faster than

the 4ths ftg

stupid so all minato did was think strategically

to win



the 4th would have

i repeat would have
been the strongest but he died at a young age so he left his will to naruto to become the strongest


so ppl stop sayin he would no he wouldnt his ass is dead and if some how they met up the 1st would beat the 4th becasue he is to young like gara

plz explain how 1st could win, i just cant imagine it as i said