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Im personally not an athiest... im agnostic, i wont dismiss the idea of God, but im not really a believer. If there was a God, id like to think there was some sign of him, atleast a sign to me. Then the fact that there are so many religions believing in different Gods, whos right and whos wrong? lol

Though i like the idea of an afterlife, its not going to effect my decisions in this life. If im sorry for something i will be, im not going to be sorry for stuff just to get into heaven or something.

My beliefs are all in balance, everything has its equal and opposite force:

Good and bad
Right and wrong
push and pull

You get the idea, so if there is a god, theres a devil. Though everyones entitled to there own beliefs.

Dont know why i just posted it... or why i quoted what i did xd

My personal view is that God does show His signs, its upto us to see them. Also, if you want physical proof that's never going to happen as by its very definition the whole concept of God is that which CANNOT be seen....who always was and always will be, outside of all physical reality and comprehension.
Also, which religion(or no religion) is every individual's personal choice, just like with life: each of us decides for ourselves which path to take.
That's my way of looking at it.
 

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My personal view is that God does show His signs, its upto us to see them. Also, if you want physical proof that's never going to happen as by its very definition the whole concept of God is that which CANNOT be seen....who always was and always will be, outside of all physical reality and comprehension.
Also, which religion(or no religion) is every individual's personal choice, just like with life: each of us decides for ourselves which path to take.
That's my way of looking at it.
I didnt mean physical evidence, you see people all the time saying "God spoke to me" and all the shiz... but ive never had or seen anything what so ever to suggest there is a God... so until something like that happens, im not going to change the way i live my life, but will still be open to the possibilites.
 

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I didnt mean physical evidence, you see people all the time saying "God spoke to me" and all the shiz... but ive never had or seen anything what so ever to suggest there is a God... so until something like that happens, im not going to change the way i live my life, but will still be open to the possibilites.
Fair enough, we all have our own way of seeing things.
 

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I am Muslim, I believe in One God, Prophets, Angels and Demon, Holy book Quran as well.

How did the world Start ? Did it happened on its Own ? Everything in this world has a Creator. So does this world and we call it God. He made Humans and Animals and all the Life on this Planet and so Many other can be there that we don't know about.

Why has he created us ? Why has he made rules to be followed ? Are we here to pray ? When Millions of Angels are praying all the time. We are here to follow rules set by Him. than there is one Demon ( Ibless, Shaitaan ). He disobeyed GOD ( Long story Short ) He has challenged God that he will Corrupt Humans and God replied " Those who Love me and are Truly my followers than You won't be able to corrupt them ".

What will happen if we Follow Rules and What if we don't ? Everyone will be Given Heaven and Hell depending on their Behaviour. So there is afterlife where we will be shown our doings and result will depend on it.

Afterlife is eternal.
Same to me. I'm also a Muslim that's why my name is Jamal it's Pure Arabic. And all that Ali Says is true The world didn't start with a Bang. There has to be a Someone who made it. I believe in Mohammad - Allah and we Muslim's believe that Allah made the world and not a Bang or something it wouldn't be Possible they don't have any proof. But the Muslim's has Some proof. The book that was made by Mohammad named the Koran and we believe that God made the world it can't be some Miracle. U_U
 
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The thought of life after death is the "hope" for most people on earth. They create the concept that when you die, you will be reborn/reincarnate/never truly die/whatever but i don't think it'll happen because everything has a limit. You think if every human since the beginning of time went to heaven, wouldn't God be a little mad at how big the population of Heaven really is? Not even the universe is infinite, everything comes to an end/limit. Unless of course (DBZ reference) the Hyperbolic time chamber was like heaven, supposedly being infinite space, but with space/time comes memory. You think if you walked outward within Heaven, that you would remember the space you had just walked on? Very doubtful IMO
 

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It's a hard thing to think about, I mean, when you think about it... how is it even possible the universe started, and what caused that, how was that brought into existence? Because of that thought, I think it is possible. But I'm uncertain on what/how it is like. Even though I am Catholic/Christian, I like to look at things into depth, and just thinking about it, I believe it is plausible, but I just don't know how. And it bugs me to the point where I just keep thinking how... until I fall asleep lol.
 

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All I can say is that there is 'something' afterlife. I mean... if we were just subject to matter, per se we are just meat. Then why can't someone who has died be revived? After all we are just elements that can be found in anyone's kitchen.
 

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I don't really care XD I don't like thinking about that stuff. I just go about my business and live my life relaxed and cool/happy while following my dreams. So, my opinion on the subject, whatever. I believe in God and am/was very religious. I'm kinda like whatever now. I don't think about all this stuff like I said, I just enjoy life with no questions asked. It's funner without all this thinking.
 

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I truthfully don't really know what I think will happen when we die. I'm sorta stuck in between people having an afterlife or reincarnation. I'm leaning more towards reincarnation though.
 

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It depends.

We have been lucky enough to have life now. So what makes us think there will be no life when we die.

It will vary from person to person and what people believe.

Personally I do not care what others believe and I do not really want to argue. I believe there is something after death, perhaps Hell or Heaven or something else. I don't believe that we just came from an explosion and some other combinations over millions of years, like why this image, why this way, why here you know, why not other planets, why this skin color why not other physical things like roaches, fish type humans thigns like that, why our form. I believe we were created from god but changed over the years. No matter what you believe, like the Holy Qur'an says ::

"And mankind is naught but a single nation."
 

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I just dont believe, or its my opinion, or think but I KNOW there is life after death. Its either life with God in Heaven/eternal paradise or life in Hell for eternal suffering and torment.

I just want to clearify because many will take it the wrong way and for some reason be offended when i say "I KNOW". no i dont know because i experienced death myself or anything but it is a strong faith that i have. i strongly truly believe there is a Heaven and Hell, a God and Devil, Pure Good and Pure Evil.

if you want to go to Heaven than accept Jesus as your personal savior. only way to Heaven is through Him. and build a relationship with God. you get to know God by reading the bible and prayering to Him frequently.

and if you dont accept Jesus than you go to Hell. why? because we are all sinners. God cant tolerate sin because God is perfect and just. but Jesus died for our sins on the cross so that we may be able to go to Heaven. but if you dont accept and recieve the grace and gift of God of Him dying for you than how do you expect to go to Heaven?

so yeah thats my personal view which i strongly believe. I hope some of ya who read it considers it. i truly do.


Yes Yes....
I do not believe in life after death,nor I think it exists.

lol i loved it when Dane made that joke! ownage, epic, winning dont even describe it
 

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I already did this as an essay a while ago xd

Critically asses Dawkin's claim that since life is no more than DNA reproducing itself, there can be no life after death?

Richard Dawkin, born in 1941, was famous for his writings such as "The God delusions". Dawkins came to prominence with his 1976 book The selfish gene, which popularised the gene centered view of evolution and introduced the term meme. In 1982, he introduced into evolutionary biology an influential concept, presented in his book The Extended Phenotype, that the phenotic effects of a gene are not necessarily limited to an organism's body, but can stretch far into the environment, including the bodies of other organisms. (1) Richard Dawkin is an athiest, and believes that life if is just DNA reproducing and evolving. He goes against other famous philosophers such as plato.

For Dawkins, the human body is nothing but cells and streems of DNA built up in form and nothing but digital information. Dawkins believed that among evolutionary psychologists, religious faith is nothing but an evolutionary artifact, a predilection that evolved because shared belief increased group solidarity and other traits that contribute to survival and reproduction. (2) Dawkins self identifies himself as an atheist and states in the opening chapter of "The God Delusion". "God is a delusion. ... Human thoughts and emotions emerge from exceedingly complex interconnections of physical entities within the brain. An atheist in this sense of philosophical naturalist is somebody who believes there is nothing beyond the natural, physical world, no supernatural creative intelligence lurking behind the observable universe, no soul that outlasts the body and no miracles - except in the sense of natural phenomena that we don't yet understand." (3)

His views are supported by the fact that attributes that we associate with the soul, can be explained by neoroscience and can be located in the brain which is physical. (4) The idea that the brains functions can explain everything that we attribute with the soul such as our feelings, when we are sad we feel it, but the brain can induce chemical reactions to make us feel this way inside, so a soul is not neccessary.

Though on the other hand, many argued with dawkins beliefs such as Plato and his dualism theory. Probably the earliest systematic concept of mind and body stems from the philosophy of the Greek philosopher Plato (429-347 BC). Plato, like Descartes, saw the mind as identical with the soul. However, unlike Descartes, Plato argued that the soul both pre-existed and survived the body, going through a continual process of reincarnation. Platos beliefs of the soul revolve around his teachings of the world of forms.
Plato had 4 main arguements for his dualism theory, the first of which was the cyclical argument. This arguement is based on the notion that opposites rely upon one another and in fact lead to one another. In terms of life and death, this leads to the conclusion that, if life leads to death, then death must also lead to life. So, the living come from - or are reincarnations of - the dead, which then die and are born again. The second arguement of platos for dualism is The recollection argument, this second argument is based on the idea that all knowledge is simply a form of recollection. This is proven by showing that a young, untutored boy, with no knowledge of maths or geometry, can be led to display or "arrive at" knowledge which he did not know he possessed. The third arguement for Plato's dualism theory is the affinity argument. The third argument attempts to prove that the soul, although it may arguably predate birth, also survives death. Since the body is mortal, changing and made up of different parts, the soul, which seems not to be composed of many parts, must therefore also be immortal and unchanging. The 4th and final arguement for dualism is the Argument from Opposites. Since death is the opposite of life, and opposites are mutually exclusive, therefore when the body dies, life must go on. (5)

Descartes also believed that we have a soul. He believed in his theory of the divisibility arguement. It says how the body can be divided such as you can lose an arm or a leg, but with the mind, such as willing, of understanding, of sensory perception and so on, cant be divided from the mind, and that the mind is separate from the body as it can't be divided. This one argument would be enough to show me that the mind is completely different from the body, even if I did not already know as much from other considerations. (struggled to understand this)

On the other side of things, we have the religious arguements for life after death. For christians, they believe in heaven and that they will be resurrected based on the belief of Jesus' resurrection. Tradition christian beliefs for christians is that the resurection of the body occurs at the end of time when jesus returns. Though the body dies, the soul is immediately united with God in heaven. Catholics believe that most souls go to purgatory until they have payed for the sins in this life before starting over with God in the next life. Though different parts of christianity have different beliefs on the afterlife.(6) On the other hand we have Muslim believes, that when you die you face 3 questions:
1. Whos your God? Allah
2. Who do you follow? Prophet Muhammed
3. What is your religion? Islam
A true muslim would answer these in an instand without question and gain imediate access to heaven, where as a bad muslim wouldn't and have to go to hell for a period of time. Eventually, every muslim is joined with God in heaven, but they must pay for their sins in hell first. When a Muslim goes to heaven, they start a new life with Allah of which they choose how it is. This is their beliefs in life after death. (7)
Also we have the beliefs of life after death in Hinduism as they believe in reincarnation. This is the believe that when we die our soul lives again in another embodied form. Depending on how you live in this life, like if you are good, you will be born well off in the next life, where as if your bad, you shall be born into poverty or even as an animal, depending on how bad you are.
There are also some radical beliefs out there such as people believe that when they die that they will be born anew, as a chicken, in a new life. (8)

Its difficult for one to judge which arguement is the most supported out of all of the above. Dawkins saying that we are just DNA can be proven with science, though it doesn't disprove the evidence of a soul, just says its not nessessary. Also it does not dismiss any theory of life after death. For example, when we die we decompose, our cells could them become neutrition for plans and we could live on within the plant in that form. As for a spiritual life after death, thats another issue. Plato's dualism arguement is supported by his world of forms but it shows no physical evidence, which is simalar with Descartes divisibility arguement, though the mind cannot be devided it shows no evidence of a soul.

Though the idea that we might even know that whats around is real confuses this even more. Like in the matrix, we could be in a virtual world with the real world awaiting us outside. And so our mind could be a our soul, trapped in an illusion world right now, and being released into our real life like neo was, is dying for us now, where we go to the heaven the real world?

The idea that we have a soul is a hard thing to discuss as we cannot prove weather we do or do not, and as we cant justify this, life after death is an unconcievable issue. Im not really religious, im an Agnostic, but i believe that we all have souls, (apart from gingers (9)), but as for an afterlife i do not believe in a God or that we are reincarnated so the idea of dying is mystery in my mind.

In conclusion, i believe dawkins is wrong to say there is no afterlife, even if we are DNA reproducing, we may still be souls and there may still be a heaven which he cannot disprove, so saying there CAN'T be an afterlife is something he cannon support, where as if he said that he doesn't believe in and afterlife, thats a different story.
 
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