Itachi Uchiha vs Pein

[Olorin]

Because it's not a legitimate reason. Most Uchiha's are strong. That doesn't mean being an Uchiha will automatically get battles won for you

true, but uchiha were uncommonly strong and itachi was a genious even among them and he killed them all when he was like 14

itachi does follow orders to some degree, but do you really think he ever wanted to be the leader of an organisation who targeted the leaf?

and that the eye link wasnt possible was never fully proven

 

[Danzou]

wat do u think itachi was doing in Akatsuki, he was not there on a picnic,or smoking weed, he was a part of the organisation so ad to follow the leader's order and in an organisation like akatsuki people only follow the one stronger than them..
itachi didnt catch a single bijuu coz he was assined to the nine tails which due ot the power structure of the gedo statue had to wait and he die before that time came..

He spied on Akatsuki.

 

[ReLax -]

wat do u think itachi was doing in Akatsuki, he was not there on a picnic,or smoking weed, he was a part of the organisation so ad to follow the leader's order and in an organisation like akatsuki people only follow the one stronger than them..
itachi didnt catch a single bijuu coz he was assined to the nine tails which due ot the power structure of the gedo statue had to wait and he die before that time came..

He was a spy like Danzou said.

I'm pretty sure Tobi knew about that but yet he himself did not take any action knowing Itachi is a betraying Akatsuki or even informing Pein since he had him under his hand (Control) to take care of this matter. It shows how strong he is if they (Pein) depended on him to catch the Nine Tails truth of the fact is Itachi didn't let anyone get near Konoho (He didn't even let Kisame fight their against Asuma, Kakashi and etc). Their was a few minute scene where Kisame came back from capturing a tailed beast so wouldn't say they were only assigned to the 9 Tails.

The last time on this topic I leaned towards Pein even being an Itachi fan (This if they had not much Knowledge about each other) but if they both have full knowledge of each other and Deva cannot use Chibaku Tensei, I'd have to say Itachi wins this

 

[irshilro]

his name is pein thats how it is spelled in the manga but i think itachi would wiin

 

[siyo]

i don't think we know enough to determine this mega fights outcome....

Does itachi's genjutsu work on all the bodies?How is pein's genjutsu?(and how strong is the rinnegan against it)
We know pein has all the elements,so would a strong wind attack work against itachi's susano?or can Susano hold against the move which destroyed konaha?
How quickly does itach`s chakra drain from using all those power moves?E.g if pein stays long enough(and survive the attacks)in the fight will he win ?

If i had to guess, i would probably say pein, because rinnegan is stated as the strongest eye technique in the naruto universe.

 

[oFuiinJutsuu]

I just think Itachi's techniques are all in all unbeatable. Apart from him having a low amount of stamina, which he will not uselessly waste, he is perfect.

 

[pemayozer]

He was a spy like Danzou said.

I'm pretty sure Tobi knew about that but yet he himself did not take any action knowing Itachi is a betraying Akatsuki or even informing Pein since he had him under his hand (Control) to take care of this matter. It shows how strong he is if they (Pein) depended on him to catch the Nine Tails truth of the fact is Itachi didn't let anyone get near Konoho (He didn't even let Kisame fight their against Asuma, Kakashi and etc). Their was a few minute scene where Kisame came back from capturing a tailed beast so wouldn't say they were only assigned to the 9 Tails.

The last time on this topic I leaned towards Pein even being an Itachi fan (This if they had not much Knowledge about each other) but if they both have full knowledge of each other and Deva cannot use Chibaku Tensei, I'd have to say Itachi wins this

OK i agree he loved Konaha and may be he spied on akatsuki...
but wat after that, where did he pass that infromation to???
He knew the threat akatski was to konoha, if he was all high and mighty, he went so far to kill his entire clan mother and father for konoha's sake,
do u really think he would not have gone for pain, knowing how big of a threat he was...
if he was really stronger that pain, he would be on assisinate mode not spy mode, he's spying coz he know he cannot fight on equall terms with pain,
he was smart, he fights he dies all efforts wasted so next best thing spy

 

[PositiveEmotions]

i think pain bc he can be revived lol

 

[Anub]

OK i agree he loved Konaha and may be he spied on akatsuki...
but wat after that, where did he pass that infromation to???
He knew the threat akatski was to konoha, if he was all high and mighty, he went so far to kill his entire clan mother and father for konoha's sake,
do u really think he would not have gone for pain, knowing how big of a threat he was...
if he was really stronger that pain, he would be on assisinate mode not spy mode, he's spying coz he know he cannot fight on equall terms with pain,
he was smart, he fights he dies all efforts wasted so next best thing spy

Everything is that simple for you ?

Did you ever think that Itachi did not attack Pain because Madara was watching in the shadows and also Konan was ALWAYS with him? And did he know Pain's exact location? You're trying to turn this like it was going to be only Itachi vs Pain if he turned against akatsuki, instead of being realistic and saying that if would have been Itachi vs Pain + Konan + Madara at least. And if Pain was so strong and fearless, why didn't he attack Konoha while Itachi was alive? Fear maybe?

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

OK i agree he loved Konaha and may be he spied on akatsuki...
but wat after that, where did he pass that infromation to???
He knew the threat akatski was to konoha, if he was all high and mighty, he went so far to kill his entire clan mother and father for konoha's sake,
do u really think he would not have gone for pain, knowing how big of a threat he was...
if he was really stronger that pain, he would be on assisinate mode not spy mode, he's spying coz he know he cannot fight on equall terms with pain,
he was smart, he fights he dies all efforts wasted so next best thing spy

Jiraiya is one suspect of secretly being fed info from itachi since he was the first one to mention them in the series, he did his own spying while away but they were both freely roaming around so its hard to tell how/when they got their dirt on akatsuki.

i don't really see a good chance for him if he has to figure out pain's secret, get to pain or just enter the hidden rain and piss him off enough to attack, Kill him (which would be a huge battle that would likely bring the rest of the village to pains defence) then itachi (after fighting pain) has to escape from or kill who knows how many hidden rain ninja (innocent lives just following and defending their leader and itachi is a pacifist who hates killing without reason), then he still has to put up the front that hes a bad guy whos just grabbing power for himself and wait for sasuke to get strong enough and fight him years later, i think in a serious fight with pain he'd use up his MS alot sooner and advance his sickness (whenever he caught it) a hell of alot faster then it was when he was spying, barely fighting and using his MS almost never besides on kakashi and sasuke and once to escape jiraiya's toad mouth bind.

Itachi would have never lived long enough afterwards to make it to the sasuke/itachi fight, which in his opinon having sasuke live happy, proud to be uchiha, redeam the clan and surpassing madara which all was worth more then the safety of the village.

 

[ReLax -]

OK i agree he loved Konaha and may be he spied on akatsuki...
but wat after that, where did he pass that infromation to???
He knew the threat akatski was to konoha, if he was all high and mighty, he went so far to kill his entire clan mother and father for konoha's sake,
do u really think he would not have gone for pain, knowing how big of a threat he was...
if he was really stronger that pain, he would be on assisinate mode not spy mode, he's spying coz he know he cannot fight on equall terms with pain,
he was smart, he fights he dies all efforts wasted so next best thing spy

Well you see here, Itachi didn't pass the info all he did was protect the village till he was alive which was accomplished no Akatsuki other than him and Kisame went to Konoho and even their he didn't let Kisame lift a finger at anyone. When Itachi died Pein went in. (Itachi deal with the third was that no one else other than him would know about this.) He kept himself away from Konoho and the Akatsuki (He basically wanted everyone to think he was a real criminal and didn't want the truth to get out)

Well it's not Itachi couldn't stand equal to Pein, the problem was that not much of these guys knew where Pein was located and to top it off if Itachi fought Pein he'd have to deal with the rest of the Akatsuki if succeed or failed. (Oro for example he had a lot of respect with Akatsuki especially Sasori after his stunt with Itachi, they all wanted to kill him). Dealing with the Akatsuki would involve in using MS too much which would blind him and wouldn't be able to test Sasuke strength and than die by him.

As you said Itachi was smart and he was indeed, He protected Konoho like he said (After his death it went down in disaster). He wanted to test his borther strength and make him the strongest Uchiha which he accomplished (Not yet but eventually will be). Last he sealed away Oro who would've been a threat to Sasuke.

His only failure is Sasuke returning back to the villages, which didn't happen.

One more thing the topic says if they had full knowledge of each other, that means Itachi as well as Pein know everything about each other and their ability. Winner would be Itachi since we would know Peins weakness as well as Pein would but Itachi has Susanno for back up

 

[Anub]

His only failure is Sasuke returning back to the villages, which didn't happen

Depending on what his gift to Naruto was, this might still happen.

 

[ReLax -]

Depending on what his gift to Naruto was, this might still happen.

Exactly, Tobi said, "Even dead, Itachi always seems to surprise me."

And remember if they didn't have full knowledge I stated Pein would win but the topic stats they had full knowledge of each other this battle goes to Itachi.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

This is set up so Itachi can win, but I don't see how he's gonna stand up to a full scale Shinra Tensei.

Taking out Chibaku Tensei is cheap, because that just means you want people to say Itachi will win.

And to the dumbasses who think Susanoo is going to deflect Chibaku Tensei, I wasn't aware that it was a direct attack. Fanboyism isn't going to help Itachi win.

Also, believe it or not, Itachi ranks higher on my like-meter than Pain.

 

[ReLax -]

This is set up so Itachi can win, but I don't see how he's gonna stand up to a full scale Shinra Tensei.

Taking out Chibaku Tensei is cheap, because that just means you want people to say Itachi will win.

And to the dumbasses who think Susanoo is going to deflect Chibaku Tensei, I wasn't aware that it was a direct attack. Fanboyism isn't going to help Itachi win.

Also, believe it or not, Itachi ranks higher on my like-meter than Pain.

I'm pretty sure your trying to direct this at me but for your info Chibaku Tensei is excluded from this battle and you have even stated that so don't be quick on pointing out dumbasses.

Also we don't know if susanoo is capable of with standing Chibaku Tensei or Shinra Tensei but at the same time we don't know how much damage it could deal to Itachi's Susano'o itself or if it will be like Karin. (One thing for sure is Itachi will feel it) but also Pein cannot be spamming that

 

[pemayozer]

Well you see here, Itachi didn't pass the info all he did was protect the village till he was alive which was accomplished no Akatsuki other than him and Kisame went to Konoho and even their he didn't let Kisame lift a finger at anyone. When Itachi died Pein went in. (Itachi deal with the third was that no one else other than him would know about this.) He kept himself away from Konoho and the Akatsuki (He basically wanted everyone to think he was a real criminal and didn't want the truth to get out)

Well it's not Itachi couldn't stand equal to Pein, the problem was that not much of these guys knew where Pein was located and to top it off if Itachi fought Pein he'd have to deal with the rest of the Akatsuki if succeed or failed. (Oro for example he had a lot of respect with Akatsuki especially Sasori after his stunt with Itachi, they all wanted to kill him). Dealing with the Akatsuki would involve in using MS too much which would blind him and wouldn't be able to test Sasuke strength and than die by him.

As you said Itachi was smart and he was indeed, He protected Konoho like he said (After his death it went down in disaster). He wanted to test his borther strength and make him the strongest Uchiha which he accomplished (Not yet but eventually will be). Last he sealed away Oro who would've been a threat to Sasuke.

His only failure is Sasuke returning back to the villages, which didn't happen.

One more thing the topic says if they had full knowledge of each other, that means Itachi as well as Pein know everything about each other and their ability. Winner would be Itachi since we would know Peins weakness as well as Pein would but Itachi has Susanno for back up

well you see here...itachi protecting Konoha was nothing but gud timing,
The bijus have to be sealed in order as to maintain balance in the gedo statue,
so akatsuki was after the lesser tailed beast first
do u think that after all the other tailed beast other than the 9 and 8 tails were left itachi could have stopped akatsuki to come after 9 tails ???
coming to konoha ???
its not that pain was waiting for itachi to die then he would invade konoha..
he thought about the village, wanted to protect it wanted to give a great eye to his brother,
that makes him a gud planner, he was smart and it was due to this smartness that he didnt go against pain coz he knew he had no chance of winning.

so gud timing so that konoha was not invaded sooner,
testing sasuke and givning him his eye..

wat does this prove nething about he being stronger than pain...

these all shows he has a gud heart and all those emotional crap which have
blinded itachi fan boys and made them blind to the ovious reality that pain is
far far superior to itachi on even his worst days

 

[Olorin]

pain didnt wait for itachi to get out of the way MADARA did

and kirin also isnt a direct head on attack, its a lightning storm

 

[ReLax -]

well you see here...itachi protecting Konoha was nothing but gud timing,
The bijus have to be sealed in order as to maintain balance in the gedo statue,
so akatsuki was after the lesser tailed beast first
do u think that after all the other tailed beast other than the 9 and 8 tails were left itachi could have stopped akatsuki to come after 9 tails ???
coming to konoha ???
its not that pain was waiting for itachi to die then he would invade konoha..
he thought about the village, wanted to protect it wanted to give a great eye to his brother,
that makes him a gud planner, he was smart and it was due to this smartness that he didnt go against pain coz he knew he had no chance of winning.

so gud timing so that konoha was not invaded sooner,
testing sasuke and givning him his eye..

wat does this prove nething about he being stronger than pain...

these all shows he has a gud heart and all those emotional crap which have
blinded itachi fan boys and made them blind to the ovious reality that pain is
far far superior to itachi on even his worst days

I doubt they were going in order because if you recall once Gaara was caught Deidara and Sasori tried capturing the Nine Tails and they did fail, also Kakuza and Hidan tried going to leaf to till they got intercepted by Asuma's team and later Kakashi's team and it ended in their death.

Itachi knew Konoho was able to handle themselves as we know they have quite abit strong shinobi's but all he did was keep Akatsuki away as long as he was a live, as it shows in the manga Pein didn't make a move till Itachi was dead (not stating he was waiting for him to die but thats the way the manga seems to be showing it).

I find it funny that you claim people who think Itachi would win fan boys even when they try providing info so that make you guys fan boys of Pein than. All I hear is Pein would win because leader of Akatsuki, six bodies+Rinnegan, S. Tensei or C. Tensei.

A leader isn't someone who is always considered the strongest, lets go back Uchiha and Senju, why did everyone including Uchiha's vote Hashirama as the 1st Hokage? Him and Madara were equal but he was much more of a leader than Madara who was only after war (As we see if Tobi is indeed Madara he bested the 1st and defeated him, which makes him stronger than?). A leader must have strength but knowledge and leadership, Tsunade a lot of shinobi in leaf are much stronger than her but she is wise and is one of the best medical ninja's. Gaaara mentions Kakashi to lead the alliance, why? The kages their could pretty much defeat Kakashi I mean he is strong but he is a great leader and has experience in battles (Wars) thats why he was consider to lead alliance. Yahiko and Nagato days, Yahiko was the leader and as far as we know about him Nagato was more powerful but yet Yahiko was considered the leader of their little organization. I'm not stating that they aren't strong just putting out their that not all leaders are the strongest it's about leadership. Everyone came in Akatsuki for their own advantage not because Pein had control over them, they became powerful gained a S-Rank partner with them and I'm pretty sure they just like Pein states planned on destroying the villages and making new villages for themselves as Pein mentioned and being the new leaders. (That was the goal and advantage the Akatsuki would gain, no one knew about Tobi's real plans tho)

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Here is were Tobi states that if Itachi knew everything about Tobi he would've been dead by now. (In this battle between Itachi VS Pein the guy who made the topic states they will have full knowledge of each other so thats why I lean towards Itachi due to the fact that knowing Peins secret is pretty much his weakness as we know)

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Here we see Tobi confront Kisame and reveal himself, if you read it carefully he says, "that he felt bad of hiding his real identity from him (Kisame) but you were closet to him (Itachi)." So heres we can say Akatsuki took orders from Pein, Tobi gave orders to Pein and Tobi hid himself from Itachi. (See we don't exactly know what happened here or what the full story is I mean they worked together stuff happen, made some deals and etc.) I'm not gonna get into to much detail about this but it makes sense that Itachi is no push over if the real Akatsuki leader is hiding himself from him even thou he has Pein on his side.

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Last thing here we see Tobi stating that Pein had betrayed him and he goes to Konan after and says the same thing so as we know he doesn't like betrayal and will get even with you. Even knowing what Itachi's real goals were and the stuff he was doing Tobi still did not interfere with him yet alone reveal himself to Itachi or even make his presence felt. Also couldn't find the chapter but Tobi did state to Zetsu, "his biggest problem (Itachi) is out of the way."

This is a question you asked me earlier, "If Itachi knew Pein was a threat why didn't he take him out?" I answered that already but let me ask you that same question about Itachi, Tobi knew the problem Itachi was to him and Pein must've known but why didn't Tobi or even Pein take Itachi out? Or even both of them together take him out?

I'm not stating Itachi is non beatable or anything like that but it's just the way you guys bring this argument into I've stated if Pein and Itachi fought without knowing much about each other Pein would win but with full knowledge of each other this goes to Itachi.

and I'm a huge Pein fan as well as Itachi both are equal to me believe it or not so I'm not basing my facts on favoritism or anything the way I see it I say it thats all

I was in a hurry I apologize if theirs anything you can't read or anything I might've messed up on

 

[Olorin]

why is everyone saying that knowing about his secret is pains weakness, EVEN IF YOU DO KNOW YOU STILL NEED TO DEFEAT THE 6 PATHS

btw im not saying pain would win im just saying that it doesent matter much if you know about it

 

[ninetailedhokagesage]

PLEASE SPELL PAIN RIGHT!!!

I think Pain would win if Nagato was out of sight. If not, Itachi would've amaterasued Nagato and ended everything. Plus, I think he still might've left to do that to Nagato, since you said he had full knowledge.

he did spell it right thats the way its spelled in the manga i read andy cant Deva use chibaku tensei did he destroy another village? but ether way i think itachi wins this battle with his genjutsu but then again it might be hard to catch all 6 of them with his genjutsu but he also has susanoo with his mirror shield and that sword that seals people so i think itachi is the winner