[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 528 Discussion and 529 Predictions

[Alkad]

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Sup fellow forum fray nin?...

Chap was good, especially since Kishi may have given us some insist into how the So6P may have utilized his tools. I say this because Dauri seemed to become more appreciative of who he is as a person, as opposed to being such DULL person who doesn't realize and as a result he didn't appreciate what he has around him. But after realizing he let down all the people whom appreciate him he became apologetic and earned butt kicking redemption!!! Perhaps this is how So6P taught flawed people to change their ways...

Next subject...

Watch the most recent episode, if you want to know what I'm blabbering about! Any notice some similarities Yamato and Zetsu seem to share? Yamato is shown popping out of the rock, something we've become accustomed to Zetsu doing...Yamato is a shell of Hashirama, the creator of wood release, a tech used by combining earth and water release. Pretty clear why Yamato was able to "travel" through the rock as seen in the episode. Also, note that Yamato seemed to use spores for tracking purposes, sound familiar to what another character may use for tracking? But wait, there's more!!!

In a recent chapter, Black Zetsu states that he is the land or earth (one of the two), look it up lol. We all should be aware that the White Zetsu troops traveled through the water, with now issue, to fight Darui's division. Moreover, Yamato was "synced" with the white Zetsu troops to increase there abilities. Sooo lets put the pieces of this puzzle together...

My current belief is that of Zetsu being a creation of Madaras after he obtained Hashirama's DNA, but was left mortally wounded. He created or "enhanced" a nin to become what we know as Zetsu. Because Zetsu is derived from Hashirama's DNA, a senju nin, and Madara is of Uchiha descent Zetsu was able to heal Madaras wounds similarly to how we saw Jugo heal a mortally wounded Sasuske after KILLA BEE stung his uchiha butt with lariat!!! Jugo was able to heal Sasuske because Oro "cursed" Sasuke" by using Jugo's DNA. Just watch the episode for proof. Now here is the not so obvious part...

Nin of senju descent and nin of uchiha descent are blood related! Remember, each tribe was derived from two respective brothers or the sons of So6P. Madara was aware of this and because he had hashirama's dna he was able to create a tool (zetsu) that he could use to heal himself then and for the future. Recall, Madara lost and arm during his fight with Konan, but suddenly had a new one when we saw him again. This hypothesis would also explain Zetsu's perceived loyalty to Madara, his creator.

Interesting side hypothesis...

Since Oro was a snake and was apart of Akatsuki he was able to steal Zetsu's DNA, and created Yamato. Kabuto was informed of this from Oro and that is he knew to take Yamato in order to enhance Zetsu's prowess. Also, Kabuto has his own agenda and he has asked Madara for a Zetsu clone, which would be more closely Hashirama's DNA then Yamato, who I believe came from Zetsu's DNA, which would mean Hashirama's DNA has been diluted after that many transplants. Wood release has been shown to be capable of containing tailed beast, that's why Yamato always had to watch over Naruto. So, I believe Kabuto wants to get his slimy hands on one or two of the remaining tailed beast by utilizing wood release, which he would obtain from a Zetsu clone. Which means Kabuto will probably be around A LOT longer for a confrontation between: the alliance, madara, and kabuto.

Just my thoughts. Still trying to use these thoughts to transpire into thoughts of who is in the sixth coffin...maybe one of you fellow nins can help?

See you later, see you soon.

I definitely believe that Zetsu was created by Madara. his devotion to him is especially unusual.

As for the last coffin, it's someone that would "severely weaken the Akatsuki forces"... Madara couldn't know anything about how many summons kabuto had, so it's safe to assume that only those coffins scared him. Especially the last one.

I can't think of anyone other than the so6p that would impress madara so much, but he's long dead. There's no way kabuto can get his dna from tools and such after that much time.

Ignoring the limitations of the real world, kishi could invent a twisted way of getting his dna.

We also don't know what his power is. As a pioneer, you wouldn't expect him to be more powerful than a bunch of strong summons. Current ninja have the experience of past generations. He had nothing except a biju and two special eyes. (I believe that the eyes came before becoming a jinchuriki)

I don't like it how he'd been turned into a god-like entity. He doesn't have the jubi with him anymore, so he shouldn't be better than nagato, for instance, who had centuries of information at his disposal and similar eyes. But if kishimoto wants the sage of six paths to be a god, so be it

 

[4bdN]

I don't like it how he'd been turned into a god-like entity. He doesn't have the jubi with him anymore, so he shouldn't be better than nagato, for instance, who had centuries of information at his disposal and similar eyes. But if kishimoto wants the sage of six paths to be a god, so be it

i dont like when characters are named, or refered to as God (blasphemous) same thing goes for Bleach although these villians who claim to be or are claimed to be of a higher power are always brought back down to earth crashing choking on there own words

 

[Mystikk]

i dont like when characters are named, or refered to as God (blasphemous) same thing goes for Bleach although these villians who claim to be or are claimed to be of a higher power are always brought back down to earth crashing choking on there own words

So true.. pein was a living testimony.

 

[jutsu killer]

I definitely believe that Zetsu was created by Madara. his devotion to him is especially unusual.

As for the last coffin, it's someone that would "severely weaken the Akatsuki forces"... Madara couldn't know anything about how many summons kabuto had, so it's safe to assume that only those coffins scared him. Especially the last one.

I can't think of anyone other than the so6p that would impress madara so much, but he's long dead. There's no way kabuto can get his dna from tools and such after that much time.

i have a hunch of one person it might be it could be his brother ????? just think about

 

[Alkad]

i have a hunch of one person it might be it could be his brother ????? just think about

He was scared for his forces at that time. I don't think his brother was that powerful for madara to be scared of him. There are quite a few strong ninja in the alliance, so why would his brother add so much to the shinobi forces? Even if he was powerful.

It could also be someone well-suited to counter madara or zetsu's abilities. Someone very hard to resurrect. Why would madara be impressed if kabuto managed to resurrect his brother?

And just to put it out there, it may be an uzumaki (not kushina) that can do advanced sealing techniques. There aren't any leads to this, but you can't invent new clans/heroes too often. Recently we were given plenty of background info about the uzumaki. And all known shinobi except so6p don't fit, given what info we have on them now.

 

[4bdN]

He was scared for his forces at that time. I don't think his brother was that powerful for madara to be scared of him. There are quite a few strong ninja in the alliance, so why would his brother add so much to the shinobi forces? Even if he was powerful.

It could also be someone well-suited to counter madara or zetsu's abilities. Someone very hard to resurrect. Why would madara be impressed if kabuto managed to resurrect his brother?

And just to put it out there, it may be an uzumaki (not kushina) that can do advanced sealing techniques. There aren't any leads to this, but you can't invent new clans/heroes too often. And recently we were given plenty of background info about the uzumaki. And all known shinobi except so6p don't fit, given what info we have on them now.

i think you might be on to somthing with the maybe Uzumaki, isnt it funny that thers only been 1 other LIVE admited Uzumaki (pain and maybe karin) doesnt seem like ther Whole clan got taken out (maybe they were more special then we no), same as the Uchiha clan was wiped out
just a thought

 

[Alkad]

i think you might be on to somthing with the maybe Uzumaki, isnt it funny that thers only been 1 other LIVE admited Uzumaki (pain and maybe karin) doesnt seem like ther Whole clan got taken out, same as the Uchiha clan was wiped out
just a thought

they scattered in the shinobi world. You could find them anywhere, so it's not hard to create one. But I doubt it would be any other than the ones previously mentioned (including mito) or one of their leaders, of which we know nothing.

Another thing. The uzumaki are more closely related to the senju than the uchiha. That can be taken as a fact, by how kushina described their relations with konoha. The senju/uzumaki inherited (long way) the sage of six paths' body, while the uchiha inherited his eyes. Why does an uzumaki have the rinnegan when no uchiha does? This whole blood thing is twisted.

 

[Kapachee]

well i was thinking since we see that a soul can be taken out of the body and still have conscience ....if that is true maybe the 1st hokage defeated madara removed his soul and let him walk the earth a defeated man without power. which makes me think of the sixth coffin being madara's soul...he did say where did u get that and also the only person madara cares about is himself so it makes total sense for his soul to be in that last coffin

 

[4bdN]

This whole blood thing is twisted.

your right, it is twisted but i love that the story being open ended allowing for anything to happen

 

[4bdN]

well i was thinking since we see that a soul can be taken out of the body and still have conscience ....if that is true maybe the 1st hokage defeated madara removed his soul and let him walk the earth a defeated man without power. which makes me think of the sixth coffin being madara's soul...he did say where did u get that and also the only person madara cares about is himself so it makes total sense for his soul to be in that last coffin

nice

 

[Mystikk]

i think you might be on to somthing with the maybe Uzumaki, isnt it funny that thers only been 1 other LIVE admited Uzumaki (pain and maybe karin) doesnt seem like ther Whole clan got taken out (maybe they were more special then we no), same as the Uchiha clan was wiped out
just a thought

I think there is more Uzumaki ninjas in the ninja world.. they just won't be mentioned until naruto begins to start learning about his clan, their seals, his second element, and the 4th hokages techniques.

 

[nrto60]

they scattered in the shinobi world. You could find them anywhere, so it's not hard to create one. But I doubt it would be any other than the ones previously mentioned (including mito) or one of their leaders, of which we know nothing.

Another thing. The uzumaki are more closely related to the senju than the uchiha. That can be taken as a fact, by how kushina described their relations with konoha. The senju/uzumaki inherited (long way) the sage of six paths' body, while the uchiha inherited his eyes. Why does an uzumaki have the rinnegan when no uchiha does? This whole blood thing is twisted.

well actually, nagato wasn't born with rinnegan, madara somehow obtained rinnegan and transplanted it to nagato when he was an infant.... I think because of their extreme stamina and strong chakra, madara chose uzumaki nagato for the rinnegan....

 

[Pervy nin]

well i was thinking since we see that a soul can be taken out of the body and still have conscience ....if that is true maybe the 1st hokage defeated madara removed his soul and let him walk the earth a defeated man without power. which makes me think of the sixth coffin being madara's soul...he did say where did u get that and also the only person madara cares about is himself so it makes total sense for his soul to be in that last coffin

The idea has potential, but please provide proof of when this happened in the manga.

As for the last coffin, it's someone that would "severely weaken the Akatsuki forces"... Madara couldn't know anything about how many summons kabuto had, so it's safe to assume that only those coffins scared him. Especially the last one.

I can't think of anyone other than the so6p that would impress madara so much, but he's long dead. There's no way kabuto can get his dna from tools and such after that much time.

Ignoring the limitations of the real world, kishi could invent a twisted way of getting his dna.

We also don't know what his power is. As a pioneer, you wouldn't expect him to be more powerful than a bunch of strong summons. Current ninja have the experience of past generations. He had nothing except a biju and two special eyes. (I believe that the eyes came before becoming a jinchuriki)

I don't like it how he'd been turned into a god-like entity. He doesn't have the jubi with him anymore, so he shouldn't be better than nagato, for instance, who had centuries of information at his disposal and similar eyes. But if kishimoto wants the sage of six paths to be a god, so be it

Like the thoughts about So6P. I would rather not see him emerge from the "sixth coffin", if it and whomever is in it becomes a factor. I enjoy of the mystery of So6P's history, we can't be certain of how great is power was and physically introducing him into the present day could diminish his legend, but to add to your point I don't think So6P should be referred to as a god for good reason...

Suuure someone could say he was like a god, for he possessed the Rinnegan and was the jinchuuriki of the Juubi, but I believe the 9-tails possesses much of Juubi's chakra, while each other tailed beast owns a much lesser amount. Obviously Naruto is the 9-tails jinchuuriki and we've seen what that and mostly sage chakra can do to Rinnegan user. In other words it could be argued that Naruto is as stronger than So6P w/o each of them having their tailed-beast. Unless, of course, So6P was a master of Sage chakra, which has been discussed before Nonetheless, we don't refer to Naruto as a God and nor do the people in the Narutoverse, even with his great abilities. Moving on...

People like to suggest that the coffin contains the true Madara and his soul with such supporting evidence like, Madara saying he is a shell of his former self...well, no duh detective, he sealed off half of his and his brothers power (his left EMS) when he used izangai. That's why his left eye was replaceable during his fight with Konan. I'm just unsure when he used izangai. Definitely after his fight with Hashirama, since Senju DNA is required for the tech. Then maybe he created Zetsu with his own and some of Hashirama's DNA. But I know we'll disagree here, Aklad...

I can't shake the idea of Izuna being the answer. He is said to have rivaled Madara in power and knows his weaknesses. Madara only has one EMS, thus he has, at most, half of the power he used to. A impure world summoned Izuna would have both his MS and be unaffected by ninjutsu and taijutusu. A lethal combination, but

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whomever it is would only weaken Madara's war capabilities, which leads me to my most crucial point...

An Edo Tensai'd So6P would lack his Juubi and would probably have the same prowess to that of an Edo Tensai'd Nagato, as you stated...Madara wasn't ready to make a deal with Kabuto, even after seeing he had Nagato in his ranks. Plus obtaining his DNA seems nearly impossible. These are big reasons why I can't believe So6P is in the coffin, logically he just wouldn't be enough to sway Madara for the reasons stated above. With my thought process and idea, I would say there is more of Izuna and Madara's brotherhood story to be told...

 

[Alkad]

well actually, nagato wasn't born with rinnegan, madara somehow obtained rinnegan and transplanted it to nagato when he was an infant.... I think because of their extreme stamina and strong chakra, madara chose uzumaki nagato for the rinnegan....

it would make more sense, but we'd need some explanations for that. Who in their right mind lets somebody (especially the infamous madara[highlight]*[/highlight]) swap the eyes of their only child for something as hideous as the rinnegan? (I wouldn't even trust such generosity)

They apparently had no intention of making him a shinobi anyway. It's all too chaotic to be a plan from the start.

Or he could have implanted the improved eyes while his family was sleeping. U_U

I think that rinnegan have a permanent appearance, much like byakugan. They stayed active even when his chakra was drained. But this may easily be wrong. They would have noticed his new eyes and put them to use. You can't leave out something as weird as that from the manga. Maybe that's the reason why he hid his eyes under his hair. I would, but I wouldn't let them go to waste.

[highlight]*[/highlight] infamous because he attacked the brethren of the uzumaki clan and at least one of nagato's parents is uzumaki.

 

[vengsea]

Cool Chapter *****

 

[xXxSasuke]

Sup fellow forum fray nin?...

Chap was good, especially since Kishi may have given us some insist into how the So6P may have utilized his tools. I say this because Dauri seemed to become more appreciative of who he is as a person, as opposed to being such DULL person who doesn't realize and as a result he didn't appreciate what he has around him. But after realizing he let down all the people whom appreciate him he became apologetic and earned butt kicking redemption!!! Perhaps this is how So6P taught flawed people to change their ways...

Next subject...

Watch the most recent episode, if you want to know what I'm blabbering about! Any notice some similarities Yamato and Zetsu seem to share? Yamato is shown popping out of the rock, something we've become accustomed to Zetsu doing...Yamato is a shell of Hashirama, the creator of wood release, a tech used by combining earth and water release. Pretty clear why Yamato was able to "travel" through the rock as seen in the episode. Also, note that Yamato seemed to use spores for tracking purposes, sound familiar to what another character may use for tracking? But wait, there's more!!!

In a recent chapter, Black Zetsu states that he is the land or earth (one of the two), look it up lol. We all should be aware that the White Zetsu troops traveled through the water, with now issue, to fight Darui's division. Moreover, Yamato was "synced" with the white Zetsu troops to increase there abilities. Sooo lets put the pieces of this puzzle together...

My current belief is that of Zetsu being a creation of Madaras after he obtained Hashirama's DNA, but was left mortally wounded. He created or "enhanced" a nin to become what we know as Zetsu. Because Zetsu is derived from Hashirama's DNA, a senju nin, and Madara is of Uchiha descent Zetsu was able to heal Madaras wounds similarly to how we saw Jugo heal a mortally wounded Sasuske after KILLA BEE stung his uchiha butt with lariat!!! Jugo was able to heal Sasuske because Oro "cursed" Sasuke" by using Jugo's DNA. Just watch the episode for proof. Now here is the not so obvious part...

Nin of senju descent and nin of uchiha descent are blood related! Remember, each tribe was derived from two respective brothers or the sons of So6P. Madara was aware of this and because he had hashirama's dna he was able to create a tool (zetsu) that he could use to heal himself then and for the future. Recall, Madara lost and arm during his fight with Konan, but suddenly had a new one when we saw him again. This hypothesis would also explain Zetsu's perceived loyalty to Madara, his creator.

Interesting side hypothesis...

Since Oro was a snake and was apart of Akatsuki he was able to steal Zetsu's DNA, and created Yamato. Kabuto was informed of this from Oro and that is he knew to take Yamato in order to enhance Zetsu's prowess. Also, Kabuto has his own agenda and he has asked Madara for a Zetsu clone, which would be more closely Hashirama's DNA then Yamato, who I believe came from Zetsu's DNA, which would mean Hashirama's DNA has been diluted after that many transplants. Wood release has been shown to be capable of containing tailed beast, that's why Yamato always had to watch over Naruto. So, I believe Kabuto wants to get his slimy hands on one or two of the remaining tailed beast by utilizing wood release, which he would obtain from a Zetsu clone. Which means Kabuto will probably be around A LOT longer for a confrontation between: the alliance, madara, and kabuto.

Just my thoughts. Still trying to use these thoughts to transpire into thoughts of who is in the sixth coffin...maybe one of you fellow nins can help?

See you later, see you soon.

i like all the theories in this post, especially the madara being zetsu's creator. it makes it extremely possible because zetsu doesnt really have his own agenda with the akatsuki, he is just there....

one thing that i think is off is that yamato's powers may be able to deal with kyuubi's powers, but only when its not reached the full transformation. even if kabuto went after bee with an upgraded zetsu to take control of bee, it wouldnt work against bee if he went into the full transformation. same with naruto.... as proof to back my words, remember back when yamato was notified that naruto was in the six tails mode and he rushed back to the village, as he was going there he say the symbol go from 6 to 7 to 8 and then finally to nine and he said himself "NO!!!!.... im too late,( sad face) how could it have unraveled this far... " meaning even if he got there he wouldnt be able to contain the nine tails, nor would he be able to revert naruto to his old self. (thankfully naruto was saved by his father and stopped the kyuubi from taking him over)

basically im saying that if zetsu did get this upgrade, it would only be usefull before the full beast transformation.

 

[xXxSasuke]

it would make more sense, but we'd need some explanations for that. Who in their right mind lets somebody (especially the infamous madara[highlight]*[/highlight]) swap the eyes of their only child for something as hideous as the rinnegan? (I wouldn't even trust such generosity)

They apparently had no intention of making him a shinobi anyway. It's all too chaotic to be a plan from the start.

Or he could have implanted the improved eyes while his family was sleeping. U_U

I think that rinnegan have a permanent appearance, much like byakugan. They stayed active even when his chakra was drained. But this may easily be wrong. They would have noticed his new eyes and put them to use. You can't leave out something as weird as that from the manga. Maybe that's the reason why he hid his eyes under his hair. I would, but I wouldn't let them go to waste.

[highlight]*[/highlight] infamous because he attacked the brethren of the uzumaki clan and at least one of nagato's parents is uzumaki.

i think madara lied about this to avoid a fight with konan to speed up his plans and find another use for her, but since she refused him he had no choice but to kill her.

if we all remember there was never any mention about this eye swap nonsense when nagato was a kid. i believe that the loss of his parents caused him to lose it like sasuke when he was a kid and activate the occular powers that were hidden within himself. especially if he was given these eyes why didnt he talk about it with his best friends konan, and yahiko, or even his sensei jiriyah? ill tell you why, madara lied.

if we all remember konan had known madara lied, the instant he said it she called him out on his lie and was willing to die to defend nagato and yahikos bodies to let them rest in peace.

 

[Alkad]

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Like the thoughts about So6P. I would rather not see him emerge from the "sixth coffin", if it and whomever is in it becomes a factor. I enjoy of the mystery of So6P's history, we can't be certain of how great is power was and physically introducing him into the present day could diminish his legend, but to add to your point I don't think So6P should be referred to as a god for good reason...

Suuure someone could say he was like a god, for he possessed the Rinnegan and was the jinchuuriki of the Juubi, but I believe the 9-tails possesses much of Juubi's chakra, while each other tailed beast owns a much lesser amount. Obviously Naruto is the 9-tails jinchuuriki and we've seen what that and mostly sage chakra can do to Rinnegan user. In other words it could be argued that Naruto is as stronger than So6P w/o each of them having their tailed-beast. Unless, of course, So6P was a master of Sage chakra, which has been discussed before Nonetheless, we don't refer to Naruto as a God and nor do the people in the Narutoverse, even with his great abilities. Moving on...

People like to suggest that the coffin contains the true Madara and his soul with such supporting evidence like, Madara saying he is a shell of his former self...well, no duh detective, he sealed off half of his and his brothers power (his left EMS) when he used izangai. That's why his left eye was replaceable during his fight with Konan. I'm just unsure when he used izangai. Definitely after his fight with Hashirama, since Senju DNA is required for the tech. Then maybe he created Zetsu with his own and some of Hashirama's DNA. But I know we'll disagree here, Aklad...

I can't shake the idea of Izuna being the answer. He is said to have rivaled Madara in power and knows his weaknesses. Madara only has one EMS, thus he has, at most, half of the power he used to. A impure world summoned Izuna would have both his MS and be unaffected by ninjutsu and taijutusu. A lethal combination, but

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whomever it is would only weaken Madara's war capabilities, which leads me to my most crucial point...

An Edo Tensai'd So6P would lack his Juubi and would probably have the same prowess to that of an Edo Tensai'd Nagato, as you stated...Madara wasn't ready to make a deal with Kabuto, even after seeing he had Nagato in his ranks. Plus obtaining his DNA seems nearly impossible. These are big reasons why I can't believe So6P is in the coffin, logically he just wouldn't be enough to sway Madara for the reasons stated above. With my thought process and idea, I would say there is more of Izuna and Madara's brotherhood story to be told...

Madara said that he was "merely a shell of his former self" due to his injuries in his fight with hashirama, at the kage summit I suppose. We weren't told much about the power of the EMS, or I can't remember. Still, having two sharingan is useless if madara never used the powers of one of them, which we know is true since he always kept it hidden, for whatever reason. By replacing it with a rinnegan, he virtually doubled his powers. Now he has the unique powers of both the sharingan and the rinnegan.

If he used izanagi to create zetsu, I doubt he still wielded his brother's eyes. By transplanting a MS in place of another original MS, the sharingan's power is said to increase, or at least its light never fades away. He'd be still quite powerful no matter which eyes he used.

Izuna's power now fades in comparison to Madara's. The latter now has EMS, rinnegan (planned to take them) and years of experience. He wouldn't be afraid of him, nor would he be impressed by kabuto managing to summon him.

I agree that we didn't get to see much of Izuna's story though. Also, we will see the last coffin in action. not showing us would be bad story-telling on kishimoto's part. it wouldn't even be tempting to hide such facts from the readers.

 

[Mugetsu]

Hmmm it was good. I predict that Raikage will join the fight against Kinkaku and Ginkaku

 

[Alkad]

Hmmm it was good. I predict that Raikage will join the fight against Kinkaku and Ginkaku

I don't think they'd let him go that easily. It would be just plain stupid to do that in the current circumstances. His power isn't irreplaceable in the army. Other strong shinobi could go if it was really needed. They might need to, since I can't think up any ways of dealing with kinkaku. ginkaku's good as dead btw.