[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 525 Discussion and 526 Predictions

[Omningan]

Tailed beast aren't even being used and the alliance already seems screwed. They are so lucky Kabuto can't summon minato or sarutobi then it would have really been game over. nice chapter its strange how everyone seems to have some connection to the 9tails. I mean he lost half is chakra and is still the strongest tailed beast and now these brothers have some as well now thats what you call unlimited.

honestly i dont agree.
i dont think madara wants to risk losing any of the tailed beasts to the alliance.
if they managed to take more away from him, it would make what he is trying to accomplish even more difficult. I think you'll find him not using the beasts as weapons, its too dangerous. Not only that, I dont think any beast but the 9 tail can be controlled by the sharingan... thats whats been alluded to anyways. I havent seen any evidence of the sharingan controlling any other beast but the nine tail, kyuubi.

you might try to use the madara controlling mizukage - as an example, but he wasnt controlling a bijuu in that situation he was controlling a jinchuuriki...

if he simply released the beasts from the statue, what if they were to turn on him for capturing them? maybe they arent too happy with akatsuki for all we know...

the only thing I can imagine the beasts coming out for is if the former jinchuurikis are summoned by kabuto and then the tailed beasts are released into their possession for use. perhaps as their former containers, they would have some sort of control over them...
other than that, I dont see them making an appearance until the final climax of madara's plan.

as for the kyuubi's chakra... he didnt lose half of it.
only half was sealed within naruto... now that naruto has gone through the process he went through at the temple, naruto has captured the ENTIRE chakra of the fox....

and I doubt that the brothers have more than what sora had...
an excretion of the chakra of the kyuubi. they are dead anyways, so its not like they are still in possession of the actual chakra. if they were edo'd with it, then it is far more plausible that they were created with/from power absorbed from the kyuubi, much the same as sora from the fillers.

the fox is not that hardcore, even though he is admitedly a total friggin monster...keep in mind that naruto (with the help of his mother and bee, true) defeated the entirety of the fox and sealed kyuubi's chakra entirely away within himself..

i also dont agree that minato and sarutobi would have made it game over...
are you dense? do you really think 2 more individuals on top of the cacophony of dead shinobi that have been broght back would make a difference? i don't. granted they were awesome ninja... that I will not agrue. but 4 kages were just summoned, I dont think 2 more would make all that much difference in the face of things.... the alliance still has to deal with madara, he hasnt done a damn thing yet... and sasuke not to mention...

anyways, Im not trying to hate on you, I just disagreed with a lot of what you said in your short paragraph and wanted to explain my thoughts. hope theres no offense taken... well there goes my lunch break. LOL. xd

 

[ichigo12]

im new here but love Naruto & Bleach but the magna is based of the people like killerbee brothe i think and there fighting dead people xd

 

[ROGU3]

Its amazing to me that people still doubt gaaras power, the last fight we ve seen gaara cud have easily killed a skilled fighter such as diedara, if deidara didnt use the city as a decoy, sencondly that was way way back,gaara has surely grown and developed just as much as sasuke or naruto, truly a great shinobi, also he didnt have all tthese teachers like naruto and sasuke, sasuke orochimaru and kakashi, naruto kakashi, pervy sage, and more. dont get me wrong sasuke is my fav character but u gotta give credit where credit is due, gaara had to train himself due to the fear that surrounded him, trust and believe gaara will give them a hard time, like kakashi said to kakuzu the new generation will always best the old.

 

[Pervy nin]

as for the kyuubi's chakra... he didnt lose half of it.
only half was sealed within naruto... now that naruto has gone through the process he went through at the temple, naruto has captured the ENTIRE chakra of the fox....

Omnigan, could you please explain more when the time is yours?

Fifth frame to the left,

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. Also, the next page says the other half will be sealed inside of Nartuo. Here is visual proof of half the demon foxes charka going into the death god's stomach with Minato,

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. Read here for more info on the seal,

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Now you may know all of this to be true, but if you do i'm curious as why you think or why is so that Naruto now has all of the kyuubi's chakra? My understanding is he only has the Yang chakra, while the Yin chakra is forever sealed in the Death God's stomach...

Looking forward to your answer yo...kinda hoping you're right because it would be dope if Naruto had control over all of the 9-tails chakra!

What do you mean? That's the standart symbol of Konoha chuunin/jounin green vest. Konoha uses it in respect for Eddy Village as they have always been close allies and distinct relatives.

EMR, thanks for the insight dawg!

You're absolutely right and you've shown me the light. Read a chapter pretty much stating what you stated,

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I considered prediction that Kakashi will use some sweet seals that the Uzumaki clan once did, because I thought he was related to the clan since he rocked the symbol on his back. Like you said, most leaf shinboi wear the symbol as respect, not to represent their clan, like sauske does by wearing the uchiha symbol on his back! Thanks though for the correction!

See ya round EMR!

 

[nrto60]

Yeah as minato himself said that he couldn't seal all the chakra...... he sealed half of its power into reaper death seal or the reaper demon's belly...

thats why the fox also shrunk in size...... but even with the half of its total power, i think its pretty much strong........ is it possible that naruto secretly inherited the sealing jutsus of uzumaki clan????????? well he sort of mastered minato's FTG technique when he got hold of fox's chakra............ what do you guys say??????????

 

[skgb75]

Re: Naruto manga 525 is now up!

How can people not be excited? We have just been introduced to the Past Kages, and some of their abilities. We get to see Kakuzu, Neji's father, Dan, Asuma, possibly Itachi and Nagato since they were last seen traveling with Kakuzu. I'm excited for the next chapter. I want to learn more about Bloodline expansion. This chapter 5/5

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and the twins who took out the 2nd Hokage. I want to learn more about them too.
This chapter is epic.

i know right how can ppl not be excited by this sheet! Epic every chapter jus keeps gttn better. Kabuto u friggin own!! and what those 2 twins took out the 2nd hokage??

and yeah did not expect bloodline expansion sheet. 3 elements + a hybrid one such as dust and powers of flight and/or invisibility!!!

 

[skgb75]

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The manga was pretty good. We saw a lot of new faces and got to know little about them. One question where is the 5th Mizukage? Is she like putting on makeup or something. I don't know if she was shown somewhere in the manga but I haven't see her

lmao putting on makeup

 

[Chief Toad]

Omnigan, could you please explain more when the time is yours?

Fifth frame to the left,

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. Also, the next page says the other half will be sealed inside of Nartuo. Here is visual proof of half the demon foxes charka going into the death god's stomach with Minato,

You must be registered for see links

. Read here for more info on the seal,

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.

Now you may know all of this to be true, but if you do i'm curious as why you think or why is so that Naruto now has all of the kyuubi's chakra? My understanding is he only has the Yang chakra, while the Yin chakra is forever sealed in the Death God's stomach...

Looking forward to your answer yo...kinda hoping you're right because it would be dope if Naruto had control over all of the 9-tails chakra!

Yo Pervy Nin, I understand where you're coming from with the Yin & Yang being sealed in seperate places but wouldn't the 9-Tail's chakra replenish itself over time while being carried by Naruto just like everybody else who's able to mold chakra? I even thought at some point it was said in WAY earlier chapters that the 9-Tail slowly leeches off of Naruto's chakra. Another thing is, after the 4th sealed half of the chakra in the DDSeal the 9-Tails shrank to half it's size but the last time we seen the 9-Tails fight with Pain he was back to full size. Just food for thought.
I still feel like you though I hope he does have 100% of the fox's chakra just to finally put Sasuke in his place!!!

 

[skgb75]

I don't get it how did Kabuto got the DNA's of guys like the 2nd Tsuchikage I mean they died so long ago its almost impossible to get their DNA's, Kishi will never show us how did Kabuto got these DNA's because its simply not possible.

impossible in a manga?? im surprised u didnt call out tsiukages human flight impossible, or tsunades superhuman strength or the ability for ppl to perform nature elemental attacks called NINJUTSU!!! lololo dude its naruto and manga=fiction
and besides it is possible, because DNA is not lost so easily, if its possible for modern day scientist to extract DNA from king tut's mummified body who friggin lived ages ago then i think kabuto has a decent chance in this fantasy world :flaw:

 

[Omningan]

Pervy-nin, great post man!

I like the references as well.

To go into a little more depth...
it was always my impression that one of the bijuu's couldn't truly be sealed away in the dead demons stomach forever... the kyuubi is a demon itself... and not only that if half of the kyuubi were truly unreachable (such as its YIN being forever sealed in the dead demon stomach) then my assumption is that the resurrection of the juubi would be impossible. maybe it is a stupid assumption on my part, I could be totally wrong here... maybe half of the fox is, and forever will be, sealed inside the demon god's stomach.
this seems unlikely to me, if the kyuubi has a yin and a yang, i doubt that minato could forever lock away half of it, even at the cost of his life. temporarily? sure, i think thats believeable and was his intent. but forever? that seems just as impossible as sealing the whole thing away...

I find it much more likely to think that it was more of a temporary solution. If Minato couldn't seal away the entire kyuubi, then he found a way to seal its two halfs away seperately, temporarily. half into the demon god, with him, and half into naruto. We know that his seal of the fox's yang inside naruto was far from permanent. it almost broke and released a few times, even at naruto's own will, until minato stopped him, and re-powered the seal. we also know that he let the fox out of himself in the temple. he used the key to break the seal minato had placed and released the fox from his body. we saw naruto fight the fox. my assumption was that at that point, naruto wasnt trying to reseal the same thing he had just unsealed... that wouldnt make much sense... "let me let half go, just to reseal the same half with a new seal that I dont even know".... so, my conclusion was that when naruto released the kyuubi's yang from inside himself, the kyuubi reformed with it's yin/yang in entirety and then naruto took the whole fox and sealed it away within himself. the fox seemed way more pissed off about this particular sealing than he did about the original one. now, once again, maybe my assumption here is wrong and he simply sealed the same half (yang) with a different seal, and that was the only difference. somehow I doubt that though.

in conclusion, there is something completely different about the chakra form that naruto now has... it is completely different from what he see from hachibi and killerbee.
i would assume that killerbee has SOME SORT of seal, to lock the hachibi inside himself. i doubt its simply self control, and I also assume that he has the whole demon sealed inside himself, what sort of coincidence would it be that he only had the hachibi's yang the same way naruto had of the kyuubi's? so if the entire hachibi is inside killerbee, yet he has NOTHING even remotely close to the sort of chakra mode that we are seeing from naruto, then we are to conclude that there is something extremely different about either 1. their demons (the kyuubi and hachibi) or 2. the type of seal that was used to contain them inside the jinchuurikis or 3. the truth of the yin/yang of the beasts and how that relates to the hosts.

this is still all very confusing to me. as it is fiction, and as we are still in the dark on some of it, i try not to pretend like i know for sure one way or the other what kishi's intentions for these situations really are. maybe even he doesnt know, and he is just making it up as he goes along, trying to make it all fit together. or maybe he just is releasing bit by bit for a more intriguing story development. idk.

i think that there is some secrets to be revealed about naruto's new chakra mode...
it has not been explained even in the slightest.
1. we don't know what seal was used. (some sort of so6p seal, is what the kyuubi thought, and naruto in that form sure does resemble the so6p)
2. we dont know how much of the fox is actually in naruto (i assumed all, not a part)
3. we dont know how he learned the seal that was used, or how permanent it even is.
4. we dont know if he has that mode because of the seal(what seal is it?), or because its the fox(he had the fox before and it wasnt like that, why now?), we don't even really know what that mode really is. we've never seen anything like it in the manga before.

i could go on and on, but im just giving myself a headache trying to imagine all the possibilities and all the things i dont know.
i guess i still dont even really understand the yin and yang chakra and how it all relates... kishi is master of that world, not me. i do anxiously await the next revelation.

if anyone wants to add their thoughts, i'll be more than open to hearing them.

 

[skgb75]

Pervy-nin, great post man!

I like the references as well.

To go into a little more depth...
it was always my impression that one of the bijuu's couldn't truly be sealed away in the dead demons stomach forever... the kyuubi is a demon itself... and not only that if half of the kyuubi were truly unreachable (such as its YIN being forever sealed in the dead demon stomach) then my assumption is that the resurrection of the juubi would be impossible. maybe it is a stupid assumption on my part, I could be totally wrong here... maybe half of the fox is, and forever will be, sealed inside the demon god's stomach.
this seems unlikely to me, if the kyuubi has a yin and a yang, i doubt that minato could forever lock away half of it, even at the cost of his life. temporarily? sure, i think thats believeable and was his intent. but forever? that seems just as impossible as sealing the whole thing away...

I find it much more likely to think that it was more of a temporary solution. If Minato couldn't seal away the entire kyuubi, then he found a way to seal its two halfs away seperately, temporarily. half into the demon god, with him, and half into naruto. We know that his seal of the fox's yang inside naruto was far from permanent. it almost broke and released a few times, even at naruto's own will, until minato stopped him, and re-powered the seal. we also know that he let the fox out of himself in the temple. he used the key to break the seal minato had placed and released the fox from his body. we saw naruto fight the fox. my assumption was that at that point, naruto wasnt trying to reseal the same thing he had just unsealed... that wouldnt make much sense... "let me let half go, just to reseal the same half with a new seal that I dont even know".... so, my conclusion was that when naruto released the kyuubi's yang from inside himself, the kyuubi reformed with it's yin/yang in entirety and then naruto took the whole fox and sealed it away within himself. the fox seemed way more pissed off about this particular sealing than he did about the original one. now, once again, maybe my assumption here is wrong and he simply sealed the same half (yang) with a different seal, and that was the only difference. somehow I doubt that though.

in conclusion, there is something completely different about the chakra form that naruto now has... it is completely different from what he see from hachibi and killerbee.
i would assume that killerbee has SOME SORT of seal, to lock the hachibi inside himself. i doubt its simply self control, and I also assume that he has the whole demon sealed inside himself, what sort of coincidence would it be that he only had the hachibi's yang the same way naruto had of the kyuubi's? so if the entire hachibi is inside killerbee, yet he has NOTHING even remotely close to the sort of chakra mode that we are seeing from naruto, then we are to conclude that there is something extremely different about either 1. their demons (the kyuubi and hachibi) or 2. the type of seal that was used to contain them inside the jinchuurikis or 3. the truth of the yin/yang of the beasts and how that relates to the hosts.

this is still all very confusing to me. as it is fiction, and as we are still in the dark on some of it, i try not to pretend like i know for sure one way or the other what kishi's intentions for these situations really are. maybe even he doesnt know, and he is just making it up as he goes along, trying to make it all fit together. or maybe he just is releasing bit by bit for a more intriguing story development. idk.

i think that there is some secrets to be revealed about naruto's new chakra mode...
it has not been explained even in the slightest.
1. we don't know what seal was used. (some sort of so6p seal, is what the kyuubi thought, and naruto in that form sure does resemble the so6p)
2. we dont know how much of the fox is actually in naruto (i assumed all, not a part)
3. we dont know how he learned the seal that was used, or how permanent it even is.
4. we dont know if he has that mode because of the seal(what seal is it?), or because its the fox(he had the fox before and it wasnt like that, why now?), we don't even really know what that mode really is. we've never seen anything like it in the manga before.

i could go on and on, but im just giving myself a headache trying to imagine all the possibilities and all the things i dont know.
i guess i still dont even really understand the yin and yang chakra and how it all relates... kishi is master of that world, not me. i do anxiously await the next revelation.

if anyone wants to add their thoughts, i'll be more than open to hearing them.

i just want to know where did the so6p come into play with naruto, i mean he jus busted it out from nowhere when fighting the kyubi and does that mean bye bye sage mode? the whole other half of the 9tails chakra being sealed of is idk either just because we r left with so little info about it but yeah it would suck if naruto couldnt use both the ying and yang

 

[minatoisagod]

honestly i dont agree.
i dont think madara wants to risk losing any of the tailed beasts to the alliance.
if they managed to take more away from him, it would make what he is trying to accomplish even more difficult. I think you'll find him not using the beasts as weapons, its too dangerous. Not only that, I dont think any beast but the 9 tail can be controlled by the sharingan... thats whats been alluded to anyways. I havent seen any evidence of the sharingan controlling any other beast but the nine tail, kyuubi.

you might try to use the madara controlling mizukage - as an example, but he wasnt controlling a bijuu in that situation he was controlling a jinchuuriki...

if he simply released the beasts from the statue, what if they were to turn on him for capturing them? maybe they arent too happy with akatsuki for all we know...

the only thing I can imagine the beasts coming out for is if the former jinchuurikis are summoned by kabuto and then the tailed beasts are released into their possession for use. perhaps as their former containers, they would have some sort of control over them...
other than that, I dont see them making an appearance until the final climax of madara's plan.

as for the kyuubi's chakra... he didnt lose half of it.
only half was sealed within naruto... now that naruto has gone through the process he went through at the temple, naruto has captured the ENTIRE chakra of the fox....

and I doubt that the brothers have more than what sora had...
an excretion of the chakra of the kyuubi. they are dead anyways, so its not like they are still in possession of the actual chakra. if they were edo'd with it, then it is far more plausible that they were created with/from power absorbed from the kyuubi, much the same as sora from the fillers.

the fox is not that hardcore, even though he is admitedly a total friggin monster...keep in mind that naruto (with the help of his mother and bee, true) defeated the entirety of the fox and sealed kyuubi's chakra entirely away within himself..

i also dont agree that minato and sarutobi would have made it game over...
are you dense? do you really think 2 more individuals on top of the cacophony of dead shinobi that have been broght back would make a difference? i don't. granted they were awesome ninja... that I will not agrue. but 4 kages were just summoned, I dont think 2 more would make all that much difference in the face of things.... the alliance still has to deal with madara, he hasnt done a damn thing yet... and sasuke not to mention...

anyways, Im not trying to hate on you, I just disagreed with a lot of what you said in your short paragraph and wanted to explain my thoughts. hope theres no offense taken... well there goes my lunch break. LOL. xd

no offense taken thats just your view. But your wrong to think those two won't change the course of the war.
1. Minato was the reason the leaf village came on top in the 3 ninja war
2. the sannin and Tsunade's healing techs is what won the 2 war for the leaf certain individuals make a big difference.

I bet if naruto comes he would give moral and all that crap and change the course of the war. Never underestimate an influential person in a manga.

 

[Sharingan Itachi]

No guys the yin chakra is forever sealed and you can know that by seeing the size of the kyuubi,I mean I will do a little explanation:
Yin and Yang are what you can call spiritual and physical energy, the yin is the spiritual one and the yang is the physical, so by sealing the yang the fourth sealed the fox's physical energy and that caused him to be weakened at the physical part which is the reason behind the fox's shrinking, now to get to the main point how can we know that the fox had his yin part retuning or he still has only the yang? to know that we must compare the fox's size before he affected by the demon seal and at the time he was fighting naruto now see the pics:

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this is the fox after he was removed from kushina, you can barely see kushina standing near him, I mean the deference in size is huge.

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this in through naruto's fight with the fox in here you can see that the deference is not as big as before.
So the bottom line is I don't think that the fox had his yin power back.

 

[nrto60]

i just want to know where did the so6p come into play with naruto, i mean he jus busted it out from nowhere when fighting the kyubi and does that mean bye bye sage mode? the whole other half of the 9tails chakra being sealed of is idk either just because we r left with so little info about it but yeah it would suck if naruto couldnt use both the ying and yang

now that i have looked into the matter closely, i have found something worth saying,

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on that page kushina said that she would take the kyuubi with herself and die and it will prevent it from coming back " FOR A WHILE"......

now does that mean that if a jinchuuriki dies with the bijuu in it, the bijuu can come back?????????? if that is so, as stated in maga, then its plausible to think that naruto may have got hold of ENTIRE kyuubi's chakra........ how, that i don't know............
forgive me if some1 had already stated this theory.......

 

[nrto60]

no offense taken thats just your view. But your wrong to think those two won't change the course of the war.
1. Minato was the reason the leaf village came on top in the 3 ninja war
2. the sannin and Tsunade's healing techs is what won the 2 war for the leaf certain individuals make a big difference.

I bet if naruto comes he would give moral and all that crap and change the course of the war. Never underestimate an influential person in a manga.

moreover, minato could wipe out thousands of shinobi's in a blink on an eye.....

 

[ARogueNinja]

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In the manga it is said that the 2nd Hokage died saving his subordinates, no names were mentioned who killed him,there were 20 or so high class ninjas that's it. No more information in the manga except these.

Yea I remember that chapter, because that is also when he told Hiruzen that he would be hokage the next day. Thats the only reason why I was curious as to why -The Agent- said the two twins took out the 2nd.

 

[Kapachee]

any1 else think black zetsu was talking to sasuke?

 

[Caliburn]

Re: Naruto manga 525 is now up!

In the manga it is said that the 2nd Hokage died saving his subordinates, no names were mentioned who killed him,there were 20 or so high class ninjas that's it. No more information in the manga except these.

It was stated that the name of that group of ninja's was the Kinkaku Force of the Cloud. Now we have two brothers who are caleld Kinkaku and Ginkaku and both of them are elite shinobi from the Cloud.

Of course the 2nd hokage said that it was a group of shinobi, however it's not that far fetched to say that the group possibly could have been named after its leader, Kinkaku. I mean in DBZ you had the Ginyu Force named after their captain Ginyu.

Still the only connection between the two brothers and the group that took down the 2nd hokage is the name "Kinkaku" so it might just be a coincidence. It's not a guarantee that

 

[rockerstud]

Re: Naruto manga 525 is now up!

How can people not be excited? We have just been introduced to the Past Kages, and some of their abilities. We get to see Kakuzu, Neji's father, Dan, Asuma, possibly Itachi and Nagato since they were last seen traveling with Kakuzu. I'm excited for the next chapter. I want to learn more about Bloodline expansion. This chapter 5/5

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and the twins who took out the 2nd Hokage. I want to learn more about them too.
This chapter is epic.

yea who says that this weeks chapter sucked
O.O

 

[Omningan]

I want to change a couple of things...

1. Apparently we know what the seal is that Naruto used on the Kyuubi in the temple.
It is a 4 element seal. Kushina tells us this, here.

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How he knew how to use it, or if it is something she did, or if it's a product of the location. Im not sure on that still. Though I do have a theory about not only the four element seal, but the chakra mode which I'll get into in a minute.

2. Minato did specifically say that he was sealing half of the fox away PERMANENTLY.

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Whether he is right or wrong is still to be determined... I dont think that Minato sealed the Ying or the Yang individually. He certainly did say anything about that. I think he just straight up sealed half of both. Half of the whole.
The reason I feel pretty confident about that is, here.

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Naruto says the Kyuubi's CHAKRAS. Plural. Meaning more than one. If it was just the yang, he would have said chakra you'd think. Also, I can't imagine the Kyuubi could exist without both Yin/Yang. Isnt that the concept? The balance? The essence of both creates what we know as chakra.
If Yang is body, then Yin is spirit. How could the bijuu exist without both?

3. One person can make a difference.
However, in this war, one person won't make it or break it. There are too many individuals involved... Sasuke, Madara, Kabuto, Naruto, Killerbee, Zetsu, Kakashi, Gaara, etc etc. I didn't even mention the LONG list of EDO's. Adding Minato and Hiruzen to the list wouldn't change much one way or the other, IMO.
This is a battle of wills, which group wants it more? Which group is willing to put everything on the line and not look back? We shall see.

4. I admit that when Minato sealed the Kyuubi, it shrank in size, and he says half of it's power/chakra/whatever is sealed within the Death God permanently. Though that doesn't seem to have truly affected it's power...

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This is AFTER Naruto has won/absorbed the Kyuubi's chakra in their battle of wills... it still manages to build up that kind of assault? Doesn't seem like its power has been diminished to me... maybe smaller, but same amount of energy, regardless.

5. The difference between the sealing that Minato did, and the sealing that Naruto did is all in the details. In both cases, the Fox was trapped inside Naruto. Where they differ is this: Minato used a seal and his chakra to force the fox into Naruto as a baby. He used Naruto's body as a container, and even though Naruto had no power to make the Kyuubi stay there, the seal Minato used and his chakra he used to do it, did.

In the case of Naruto's four element seal in the temple, he by his own will forced the Kyuubi's chakra inside himself and closed the door on it with his own power. He is keeping the Kyuubi closed in, not just with a seal, but with his willpower and this amazing seal that we can see all over his body.

6. Yes I think this means no more sage mode for Naruto... I believe that this new mode he has is an evolution of sage mode. However, I believe there is a reason they call someone with nature chakra, a sage...

What happens when ONE individual has:

1. (self chakra) (blue)
2. (nature chakra) (yellow)
3. (element chakra) (wind) (for naruto anyways)
4. (bijuu chakra) (red)

??? anyone want to guess ???