How did Kakashi obtained his MS ?!

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I know that but the requirements of ssj is activated because you need it at the time. MS could be activated be similar. Not the same but similar. Madara need more power, Izuna's was actived the same way, Itachi needed to destroy his clan, Sasuke needed more power for his vengence, Kakashi could have needed it to protect Naruto. Its only after the death of a brother figure can the posses it.
mmmmmm no itachi's ms was activated by killing one of his best friends i forgot his name tho but it was stated before also cant remember wut chapter/episode of anime was.... also ssj and ms is activated different ssj u would have to feel so much anger and sadness bc of the enemy killing their best friend/family in vegetas case he couldnt go ssj bc he was obsessed with trying to be stronger than goku until one day he did not care and thats wut turned him into a super saiyen so ya ssj is done by emotion level of someone close a super saiyen's friend gettin killed in front of them.. in gokus case he saw freeza attacked piccolo and his best friend krillin also wut trigger it was the lost of vegeta wen freeza killed vegeta so he saw 3 of his friends die in front of him so of course it made him the legendary super saiyen... in ms is stated that you have to kill ONE of your best friend that u really are close to...

i hope i made sense to u bro
 

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First and formost don't bring my personal/profesional life into this thats F....d I'm a Sterile Processing Tech I do use biology as part of my profesion.You dont know me personaly dont talk like you do.

2)Ive said you cant copy element chakra haku uses element chakra with his Ice Mirrors blood line limit like Yamato does for his wood style Ive said it numerous times.

3)I'll use the base ro referance so we have the same info then.
3a)Here is Sauske with two tomoe with the words your able to copy a part of my technique just by seeing it once and thats with a regular sharingan
3b) heres Itachi with three tamoe
3c)heres kikashi with a 3 tamoe sharingan about to save Kurini and Auasma and we know its Kakashi because ove the scar through the center of his eye.
3d) here Itachi says his tsuknomi is a EYE JUITSU! Kikashi has a reread this chapter Kikashi has the the penetrating ability with his sharing gan staed earlier from Itachi. And on the next page Kikashi is witnessing his eye juitsu=dojuitsu with his sharingan you can copy parts of a juitsu with a two tomoe sharingan why cant you copy parts of a genjuitsu with a three tomoe sharingan it is plausable and the simplest way to learn a advanced level juistu.
3e) Itachi explains that he is able to control time and space with this juitsu kikashi being stuck in the Itachis EYE genjuitsu for 72 hours with an exposed sharingan is more than enough time to penetrate Itachi and copy his EYE JUITSU.
3f.) here its stated that only three seconds passed outside the juitsu.
3g)translation of the word dojuitsu saying EYE JUITSU not the SHARINGAN RINNAINGAN OR BYKUGAN
3h) Sauske rembering what Itachi said about how to gain power with a two tamoe eye. heres sauskes third tomoe apearing proving while naruto is alive. A third tomoe unlocked as well as greater abilites increaced perception ect.
3i) Asfar as I'm aware Kikashi hasnt ever seen any of the other abilites of the MS sharingan with his sharingan to copy.
3k) Itachi Using a MS tech Ameratsu with sauske watching with a three tamoe shaingan
3l) read the side it dosent say Sauske killed him it says Sauske is paralized.
3)Heres proof that Marda/tobi has a three tomoe eye in suport of the three tamoe requirement for a MS level techniques.
3) heres proof of Itachi transfering MS ability to Sauske to try and take out Madra/tobi
Conclusion being you only need to see a non element related technique once to learn it. As proved by point 3a.3h proves Itachi is full of crap about HAVING to kill your closest friend to gain the powers he had. Sauske DIDN'T KILL ITACHI(Itachis last battle was with OROCHIMARU) OR NARUTO. And has 3tomoe(with no deaths of his friend or family of his own) time to copy, and recieve Atamersu A MS style dojuitsu. With proof from the manga from the base.

4) heres Madra taking the Rinningan talking about how Pains Hair changed from red to white because of the strain he put forth using his last juitsu. All Itachi says is that they are the masters and that Kikashis body is suitable for the Sharingan Being a master is a matter of skill and apt ability nothing to do with blood. Blood deals with genetic disposition not fate and forcasting the future and a persons abilitys but it can be limiting due to genetic diseases and mutations. The Uzmakis also lived in the land of whirlpools its since been distroyed and absorbed by other nations since Narutos MOM came from there to be the next host for the nine tails. its in the manga Ill get proof if needs be. But its here at the base.
5) See 3, and ideas are not always proof or evidence untill proved like the idea you have to sacrafice someone for more power. And the idea that Kikashi trained himself is part of him not having the ability to use advaned dojuitsu the exact moment he used it not being " a master of the sharingan" and I said that he probabaly did the training during the time skip still plausable.
6)I used manga chapers from the base this time to prove with deductive reasoning my points with proof from the base.I did what I said I'm walking the walk and talking the talk. I'll say it again dont bring my personal life into this discussion by telling me what I know and dont know when you dont know squat about me again its jacked. And furthermore narutowiki yeah not the best source but its a easy tool for referanceing and if wiki didnt have any viable information all the crap about the military being posted on wikileaks wouldn't be a big deal. As for youtube yeah still not the best resource but it is a resource. The episode where Kikashi battles Itachi and gets stuck in his dojuitsu is ep 82 sharingan vs sharingan if you dont like colored proof thats easier to see then use manga personal preferance. Stampy hasnt posted squat with actual proof unlike the two of us saying plauseable or not plauseable with out reasoning or proof is factualy an opinion.
7) defining plausible for those who use it along with other words that dosent know what it means or use it in the wrong context. These adjectives mean appearing to merit belief or acceptance: a plausible pretext; a believable excuse; a colorable explanation; a credible assertion.
My theories about kikashi copying a ms level dojuitsu are plausable with narutobase/manga proof of their vadlility.So anyone who wants to prove it unplauible do so with proof or like you said DONT BOTHER.
I don't post actual proof, because I'm far too lazy to go look them up, but trust me my memory saves me well and when it doesn't, I say I'm not too sure...
But does that make me any wrong at all? No, I just don't show you the references... now You reasoning is based on partial truth (and is already flawed and makes no sense whatsoever, and NO I will not bother to point out what is wrong with it.)
Now answer me and Inception on WHY wasn't there more Uchiha's with MSs ? If it was copyable then surely lots of Uchihas would have copied it.
Also EVEN if you come up with some argument to somewhat make me and inception wrong on this point then tell us this: If Kakashi copied Itachi's tsukoyomi, how come his only MS ability is Kamui which has NOTHING to do with genjutsus (Tsukoyomi does not take you in another real dimension, it is just an imaginary genjutsu.. Kamui however IS warping stuff out in another dimension which is not imaginary)?
Also maybe a specific MS technique IS copyable but like someone said... you need to fit the MS requirement FIRST before you could copy a MS... a sharingan does not elevate itself to MS by copying a MS because a MS is needed to make that technique...

Also stop saying what you say is full proofed I just can't stand it... you are thinking and developping a theory which could be interesting, not stating facts, you are deforming the manga.

and also and this is really starting to get on my nerve... it's KAkashi, not Kikashi. Thank you!
Also I'll try and find a reference in which Kakashi says sharingan can't copy all ninjutsus if they are too complicated and get back to you.
 

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I am still working on finding further proof that sharingan cannot copy techniques that are too complex and that do not use hand seals but soo far I have found a VERY good argument to show you:
In this page you see that Naruto is stunned that Kakashi is able to make a Rasengan... Now why oh why would he be surprised since Kakashi copied 1000 techniques?! If it wasn't for the fact that he just can't copy them all. I'll try and seek more but frankly I am not sure I will be able to if someone could help me locate it, it would be nice.

EDIT: There you go actually he can copy Rasengan "somehow"
But this sentence imply past that level he cannot anymore. So copying Tsukoyomi, THE most powerful genjutsu of all time or even Amateresu the most powerful ninjutsu would not being possible for him.
 
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I am still working on finding further proof that sharingan cannot copy techniques that are too complex and that do not use hand seals but soo far I have found a VERY good argument to show you:
In this page you see that Naruto is stunned that Kakashi is able to make a Rasengan... Now why oh why would he be surprised since Kakashi copied 1000 techniques?! If it wasn't for the fact that he just can't copy them all. I'll try and seek more but frankly I am not sure I will be able to if someone could help me locate it, it would be nice.

EDIT: There you go actually he can copy Rasengan "somehow"
But this sentence imply past that level he cannot anymore. So copying Tsukoyomi, THE most powerful genjutsu of all time or even Amateresu the most powerful ninjutsu would not being possible for him.
For being such a stickler about spelling you should have noticed the diffrece between RASANGAN-the pure chakra juitsu and RINNINGAN- a type of eye with its own type of dojuitsu(eye ability) in the Pain invasion arc it the dojuitsu was the six paths of pain. You havent proved anything inacurate other that you make mistakes in spelling and reading comperhention. Its known that Kakashi is known for knowing over a 1000 juitsu that dosent prove he couldnt copy a technique of a eye. eye technique or eye abilities are called doujuitsu... Each eye in the manga grant diffrent abilities...some abilities are similar to other eyes as well as other juitsu. Sharingan can see chakra not to the extent of Byakugan. Im really loveing how you busted my balls about spelling and then you went back and edited information about Rasangan-the juitsu made by the fourth hokage narutos father passed down/trained to the Pervy Sage who passed it trained Naruto in a SKILL. Not only did naruto complete the juitsu he also did what minato could not ADD NATURE(wind)TYPE CHAKRA to create his own juitsu.Take a philosophy class,join the debate team, or read about diffrent types of logic and learn to prevent falicy.And you'll be better at debate/arguements.I dig your enthusiam about proving me wrong though. Both links are about the RASANGAN juitsu not dojuitsu your proving my point that certain skills are needed before you can use a certain juitsu.Which is why Kikashi cant combine ELEMENT CHAKRA with SPACIALY COMPRESSED CHAKRA called RSASANGAN<proved by you using the same source for the same kind of evidence.Naruto can because of the special training he had with his shadow clones multiplying any time spent Training to COMBINE COMPRESSED CHAKRA(RASANGAN)WITH WIND CHAKRA. OR Honeing his Skills and Abilities...you have helped me though because close by those links it shows how Yamato creates a wood juitsu release using TWO TYPES OF NATURE CHAKRA making it complex and not able to copy with out the right DNA and NATURE ELEMENT CHAKRA thank you again ill get the link! Here Yamato is explaing that there is no real WOOD ELEMENT ITS A COMBINATION OF CHAKRA. Its explained here how you make new elements by combineing two diffrent types of chakra at the same time which is harder to do but gives you new element relaease juitsu. Also known as what?? Thats right a blood line limit technique shown here and it also explains HAKUS juitsu and WHY IT COULDNT BE COPIED BY THE SHARINGAN. .
Thanks again stampy you saved me serious time I was looking for this as info to define Kekkei Genki thats defined and twice on the page!Again my theory is still the simplest and still plausible.
 

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For being such a stickler about spelling you should have noticed the diffrece between RASANGAN-the pure chakra juitsu and RINNINGAN- a type of eye with its own type of dojuitsu(eye ability) in the Pain invasion arc it the dojuitsu was the six paths of pain. You havent proved anything inacurate other that you make mistakes in spelling and reading comperhention. Its known that Kakashi is known for knowing over a 1000 juitsu that dosent prove he couldnt copy a technique of a eye. eye technique or eye abilities are called doujuitsu... Each eye in the manga grant diffrent abilities...some abilities are similar to other eyes as well as other juitsu. Sharingan can see chakra not to the extent of Byakugan. Im really loveing how you busted my balls about spelling and then you went back and edited information about Rasangan-the juitsu made by the fourth hokage narutos father passed down/trained to the Pervy Sage who passed it trained Naruto in a SKILL. Not only did naruto complete the juitsu he also did what minato could not ADD NATURE(wind)TYPE CHAKRA to create his own juitsu.Take a philosophy class,join the debate team, or read about diffrent types of logic and learn to prevent falicy.And you'll be better at debate/arguements.I dig your enthusiam about proving me wrong though. Both links are about the RASANGAN juitsu not dojuitsu your proving my point that certain skills are needed before you can use a certain juitsu.Which is why Kikashi cant combine ELEMENT CHAKRA with SPACIALY COMPRESSED CHAKRA called RSASANGAN<proved by you using the same source for the same kind of evidence.Naruto can because of the special training he had with his shadow clones multiplying any time spent Training to COMBINE COMPRESSED CHAKRA(RASANGAN)WITH WIND CHAKRA. OR Honeing his Skills and Abilities...you have helped me though because close by those links it shows how Yamato creates a wood juitsu release using TWO TYPES OF NATURE CHAKRA making it complex and not able to copy with out the right DNA and NATURE ELEMENT CHAKRA thank you again ill get the link! Here Yamato is explaing that there is no real WOOD ELEMENT ITS A COMBINATION OF CHAKRA. Its explained here how you make new elements by combineing two diffrent types of chakra at the same time which is harder to do but gives you new element relaease juitsu. Also known as what?? Thats right a blood line limit technique shown here and it also explains HAKUS juitsu and WHY IT COULDNT BE COPIED BY THE SHARINGAN. .
Thanks again stampy you saved me serious time I was looking for this as info to define Kekkei Genki thats defined and twice on the page!Again my theory is still the simplest and still plausible.
You clearly failed to realize how Kakashi said that copying the RASENGAN (why don't you go to that link again hu? Instead of breaking my b**ls with my spelling) is pretty much his limits... I didn't talk about copying a rasen shuriken either your wall of text is useless really. I also know the definition of a blood line limit no need to explain me.

Now let's get back to the business again... If Kakashi can copy A-Rank techniques (wether it comes from their eyes or their asses is of no concern of ours, only the complexity matters) as a top limit AND he said it pretty much (he "somehow" can copy it he says) then it pretty much means that a MS technique which Zetsu says to be the most powerfull genjutsu's and ninjutsu's (during the Itachi vs Sasuke fight go look it up) and which are likely to be S ranked techniques... that he can not copy then (even if it was copyable) cause it s past the A rank which is his copy limit.

But no need for that much talk about it anymore anyways cause you still haven't paid attention to this argument:

Now answer me and Inception on WHY wasn't there more Uchiha's with MSs ? If it was copyable then surely lots of Uchihas would have copied it.
Also EVEN if you come up with some argument to somewhat make me and inception wrong on this point then tell us this: If Kakashi copied Itachi's tsukoyomi, how come his only MS ability is Kamui which has NOTHING to do with genjutsus (Tsukoyomi does not take you in another real dimension, it is just an imaginary genjutsu.. Kamui however IS warping stuff out in another dimension which is not imaginary)?
Also maybe a specific MS technique IS copyable but like someone said... you need to fit the MS requirement FIRST before you could copy a MS... a sharingan does not elevate itself to MS by copying a MS because a MS is needed to make that technique...
Please don't bother coming at me with other arguments about other "philosophical" or debate issues until you prooved that last part wrong. Thank you.
 

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I don't post actual proof, because I'm far too lazy to go look them up, but trust me my memory saves me well and when it doesn't, I say I'm not too sure...
But does that make me any wrong at all? No, I just don't show you the references... now You reasoning is based on partial truth (and is already flawed and makes no sense whatsoever, and NO I will not bother to point out what is wrong with it.)
Now answer me and Inception on WHY wasn't there more Uchiha's with MSs ? If it was copyable then surely lots of Uchihas would have copied it.
Also EVEN if you come up with some argument to somewhat make me and inception wrong on this point then tell us this: If Kakashi copied Itachi's tsukoyomi, how come his only MS ability is Kamui which has NOTHING to do with genjutsus (Tsukoyomi does not take you in another real dimension, it is just an imaginary genjutsu.. Kamui however IS warping stuff out in another dimension which is not imaginary)?
Also maybe a specific MS technique IS copyable but like someone said... you need to fit the MS requirement FIRST before you could copy a MS... a sharingan does not elevate itself to MS by copying a MS because a MS is needed to make that technique...

Also stop saying what you say is full proofed I just can't stand it... you are thinking and developping a theory which could be interesting, not stating facts, you are deforming the manga.

and also and this is really starting to get on my nerve... it's KAkashi, not Kikashi. Thank you!
Also I'll try and find a reference in which Kakashi says sharingan can't copy all ninjutsus if they are too complicated and get back to you.
1)About this post I'm glad I'm getting under your skin its making you think research and not be lazy.Not sure other people want you speaking on their behalf.Please for the love of all logic point out my half truths.
2)As for why there werent hundreds of MS using Uchiha running around I'll try to explain it as easy as possible. MS HASNT BEEN AVILABLE OR SHARED TO THEM before they were wiped out. Madra has MS tech dojuitsu he was with Itachi, Shared it with him or told him how to unlock it. Then they both killed the Uchiha clan except Sauske
2a) First page of the chapter Saying Madra/Tobi knows the truth about Itachi and the night he killed the clan.
2b) Showing the ability to implant MS juitsu into another sharingan user still everyone had 3 tomoe.
2c) Madra is calling the MS tech a juitsu of Itachis that Sauske hadn't used/seen before his battle.
2d) MS dojuitsu being transfered referanced
2e) Madra/Tobi saying Itachi wasnt acting alone the night everyone died. As well as that he was there as well helping Itachi.
2f) Madra staing he stole his brothers eyes so he could have a flawless sharingan. Rember this because Him having worked with Itachi to destroy the Uchiha makes him and Itachi the only ones with the Dojuitsu at the time of the massacare. The main point of why not everyone had a MS to contend with resuling in the death of everyone excluding Sauske.
2g) reasons why Madra/Tobi would have for revenge/destroying the Uchiha
2h.) madra leaving the leaf with EMS taking the dojuitsu with him the dojuitsu cant be copied shared if its not around until Madra/Tobi tried to take the nine tails from narutos mom. I'll show this later maybe.
2i) shows Itachi finding madra around the time of the attacks.
2j) having MS at the time of his attack after hooking up with Madra/Tobi after his exile and reciving the MS dojuitsu.
2k) maybe the best page ever printed if you can understand what it means.Has nothing to do with my point but it needs to be mentioned.
Conclusion Madra took his dojuitsu with him when he left and brought it back and passed it to Itachi killed the Uchiha so you dont have everyone running around with the MS and EMS dojuitsu.
3)Your the one who said Kakashi is the user of a 1000 juitsu prove to me that one of those thousand isnt or couldnt be a genjuitsu. And even though he has 1000 juitsu dosnet mean he uses them. Genjuitsu affects a persons mind any dimention or place your mind precieves or better put is a dimension. Heres a definition of dimension-proportion:proportion: magnitude or extent; "a building of vast proportions. If the dimention that Itachi created or invaded was only as deep as Kakashis mind it still takes place in a controlled independant dimension.Inside your mind isnt imaginary either its where your being lives from.
4)A sharingan evolves and gains new dojuitsu I proved that with my last post. And if you have ever seen the anime its easier to understand.
5)you state this"a sharingan does not elevate itself to MS by copying a MS because a MS is needed to make that technique..." prove your point to the best of your ability. The dojuitsu of MS are variants of other type of juitsu while haveing Sharingan or MS if you have the chakra like Madra/Tobi said he did and the battle experience with a three tomoe sharingan like Madra/Tobi says you can use your skills to create new juitsu.
6)Also maybe really?"Also maybe a specific MS technique IS copyable but like someone said... you need to fit the MS requirement." Also maybe I couldnt copy what you said had you not said it or done it in the first place. Who and what MS requirement might someone be able to have that is aplicable to kakashi giving him the MS dojuitsu. Itachis dojuitsu fits that catagory. What I've been trying to show is that the MS dojuitsu users have at least three tamoe and you dont have to kill to get it. Naruto is still alive in the case of Sauske proved in my posts.
7)I didnt say my posts are full proof or even foolproofed I want to be wrong so I can learn something I want to know.I've stated facts from the manga our best source of info second.Prove my half truths to be that and I'll shut up about this thread and topic.I'm not deforming anything because you dont like me proving you wrong with out your valid ideas dosnet mean I'm distorting anything. If anything hopefuly it will help clarify whats needed to obtain a MS. the base point behind the thread.
 

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You clearly failed to realize how Kakashi said that copying the RASENGAN (why don't you go to that link again hu? Instead of breaking my b**ls with my spelling) is pretty much his limits... I didn't talk about copying a rasen shuriken either your wall of text is useless really. I also know the definition of a blood line limit no need to explain me.

Now let's get back to the business again... If Kakashi can copy A-Rank techniques (wether it comes from their eyes or their asses is of no concern of ours, only the complexity matters) as a top limit AND he said it pretty much (he "somehow" can copy it he says) then it pretty much means that a MS technique which Zetsu says to be the most powerfull genjutsu's and ninjutsu's (during the Itachi vs Sasuke fight go look it up) and which are likely to be S ranked techniques... that he can not copy then (even if it was copyable) cause it s past the A rank which is his copy limit.

But no need for that much talk about it anymore anyways cause you still haven't paid attention to this argument:



Please don't bother coming at me with other arguments about other "philosophical" or debate issues until you prooved that last part wrong. Thank you.
I dont have to prove you wrong you did it with a typeo RASGAN and the RINNINGAN are diffrent juitsu.Ones a eye ability ones a chakra molding ability. This thread is about DOJUITSU not the fourth hokages juitsu. I dont have to reread anything or prove anything because your not even talking about the right JUITSU.RINNINGAN is not the same as RASANGAN. I didnt bust your balls you did I just pointed it out. Before you bust your own balls again know the diffrence between dojuitsu and a chakra shaping technique. Its not that special to learn PERVY SAGE taught it to Naruto. It dosent have to be copied its a juitsu that you can learn with the right training. Lastly its not past Kakashis juitsu ability because he used it. And if it was past his ability level and he did copy it it would support my idea that he could do the same with a dojuitsu. I've paid attention to the argument thats why its still going on. YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFRENCE YOUR SPELLING MAKES IN THE ARGUEMENT. And it is a diffrence.You proved yourself wrong. I dont need to again....
 

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1)About this post I'm glad I'm getting under your skin its making you think research and not be lazy.Not sure other people want you speaking on their behalf.Please for the love of all logic point out my half truths.
2)As for why there werent hundreds of MS using Uchiha running around I'll try to explain it as easy as possible. MS HASNT BEEN AVILABLE OR SHARED TO THEM before they were wiped out. Madra has MS tech dojuitsu he was with Itachi, Shared it with him or told him how to unlock it. Then they both killed the Uchiha clan except Sauske
2a) First page of the chapter Saying Madra/Tobi knows the truth about Itachi and the night he killed the clan.
2b) Showing the ability to implant MS juitsu into another sharingan user still everyone had 3 tomoe.
2c) Madra is calling the MS tech a juitsu of Itachis that Sauske hadn't used/seen before his battle.
2d) MS dojuitsu being transfered referanced
2e) Madra/Tobi saying Itachi wasnt acting alone the night everyone died. As well as that he was there as well helping Itachi.
2f) Madra staing he stole his brothers eyes so he could have a flawless sharingan. Rember this because Him having worked with Itachi to destroy the Uchiha makes him and Itachi the only ones with the Dojuitsu at the time of the massacare. The main point of why not everyone had a MS to contend with resuling in the death of everyone excluding Sauske.
2g) reasons why Madra/Tobi would have for revenge/destroying the Uchiha
2h.) madra leaving the leaf with EMS taking the dojuitsu with him the dojuitsu cant be copied shared if its not around until Madra/Tobi tried to take the nine tails from narutos mom. I'll show this later maybe.
2i) shows Itachi finding madra around the time of the attacks.
2j) having MS at the time of his attack after hooking up with Madra/Tobi after his exile and reciving the MS dojuitsu.
2k) maybe the best page ever printed if you can understand what it means.Has nothing to do with my point but it needs to be mentioned.
Conclusion Madra took his dojuitsu with him when he left and brought it back and passed it to Itachi killed the Uchiha so you dont have everyone running around with the MS and EMS dojuitsu.
3)Your the one who said Kakashi is the user of a 1000 juitsu prove to me that one of those thousand isnt or couldnt be a genjuitsu. And even though he has 1000 juitsu dosnet mean he uses them. Genjuitsu affects a persons mind any dimention or place your mind precieves or better put is a dimension. Heres a definition of dimension-proportion:proportion: magnitude or extent; "a building of vast proportions. If the dimention that Itachi created or invaded was only as deep as Kakashis mind it still takes place in a controlled independant dimension.Inside your mind isnt imaginary either its where your being lives from.
4)A sharingan evolves and gains new dojuitsu I proved that with my last post. And if you have ever seen the anime its easier to understand.
5)you state this"a sharingan does not elevate itself to MS by copying a MS because a MS is needed to make that technique..." prove your point to the best of your ability. The dojuitsu of MS are variants of other type of juitsu while haveing Sharingan or MS if you have the chakra like Madra/Tobi said he did and the battle experience with a three tomoe sharingan like Madra/Tobi says you can use your skills to create new juitsu.
6)Also maybe really?"Also maybe a specific MS technique IS copyable but like someone said... you need to fit the MS requirement." Also maybe I couldnt copy what you said had you not said it or done it in the first place. Who and what MS requirement might someone be able to have that is aplicable to kakashi giving him the MS dojuitsu. Itachis dojuitsu fits that catagory. What I've been trying to show is that the MS dojuitsu users have at least three tamoe and you dont have to kill to get it. Naruto is still alive in the case of Sauske proved in my posts.
7)I didnt say my posts are full proof or even foolproofed I want to be wrong so I can learn something I want to know.I've stated facts from the manga our best source of info second.Prove my half truths to be that and I'll shut up about this thread and topic.I'm not deforming anything because you dont like me proving you wrong with out your valid ideas dosnet mean I'm distorting anything. If anything hopefuly it will help clarify whats needed to obtain a MS. the base point behind the thread.
It is funny how at of all that wall texting you fail to point out the one part where both Madara and his brother elevate to MS to take leadership of the Uchiha Clan, Madara even uses his MS too much WITHIN the clan (maybe not fighting it but at least around it) that he becomes blind, also his brother uses it AS WELL. THEN Madara takes his brother's eyes and still uses it until Hashimara becomes Hokage at which point he flees the village into exile....
Now excuse me for saying but I think that is PLENTY of times for any other Uchiha to copy the MS if it was possible....

Also you completely missed my point about the rasengan... (which is not a typo and is spelled right, stop questionning my spelling, it isn't perfect but easily readable, yours is much worst I only break your b**ls when it comes to proper names) Its not about ninjutsus, jutsus, doujutsus or anything, but about the LEVEL and complexity of the technique. Kakashi mentionning rank A techniques are pretty much his limits of copying skills (talking about the rasengan but this OBVIOUSLY APPLIES TO OTHER TECHNIQUES) so I'm sure he copied genjutsus and ninjutsus, but they just WEREN'T at the same level as Tsukoyomi and Amateresu, which are the top of genjutsu's and Ninjutsu's respectively, so S ranked techniques... therefore above Kakashi's copying skills. Hopefully you finally got the point I was making which makes a LOT of sense.

Now I don't know what you said in point 5, but Madara and Izuna both killed their best friends to elevate to MS, Also Sasuke got MS from killing his bro, not Naruto. Cause with Madara's explanations he understood that he had killed the person who cared the most about him.
 

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I dont have to prove you wrong you did it with a typeo RASGAN and the RINNINGAN are diffrent juitsu.Ones a eye ability ones a chakra molding ability. This thread is about DOJUITSU not the fourth hokages juitsu. I dont have to reread anything or prove anything because your not even talking about the right JUITSU.RINNINGAN is not the same as RASANGAN. I didnt bust your balls you did I just pointed it out. Before you bust your own balls again know the diffrence between dojuitsu and a chakra shaping technique. Its not that special to learn PERVY SAGE taught it to Naruto. It dosent have to be copied its a juitsu that you can learn with the right training. Lastly its not past Kakashis juitsu ability because he used it. And if it was past his ability level and he did copy it it would support my idea that he could do the same with a dojuitsu. I've paid attention to the argument thats why its still going on. YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFRENCE YOUR SPELLING MAKES IN THE ARGUEMENT. And it is a diffrence.You proved yourself wrong. I dont need to again....
Now read my last post and go back to this one:

You clearly failed to realize how Kakashi said that copying the RASENGAN (why don't you go to that link again hu? Instead of breaking my b**ls with my spelling) is pretty much his limits... I didn't talk about copying a rasen shuriken either your wall of text is useless really. I also know the definition of a blood line limit no need to explain me.

Now let's get back to the business again... If Kakashi can copy A-Rank techniques (wether it comes from their eyes or their asses is of no concern of ours, only the complexity matters) as a top limit AND he said it pretty much (he "somehow" can copy it he says) then it pretty much means that a MS technique which Zetsu says to be the most powerfull genjutsu's and ninjutsu's (during the Itachi vs Sasuke fight go look it up) and which are likely to be S ranked techniques... that he can not copy then (even if it was copyable) cause it s past the A rank which is his copy limit.

But no need for that much talk about it anymore anyways cause you still haven't paid attention to this argument:


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Now answer me and Inception on WHY wasn't there more Uchiha's with MSs ? If it was copyable then surely lots of Uchihas would have copied it.
Also EVEN if you come up with some argument to somewhat make me and inception wrong on this point then tell us this: If Kakashi copied Itachi's tsukoyomi, how come his only MS ability is Kamui which has NOTHING to do with genjutsus (Tsukoyomi does not take you in another real dimension, it is just an imaginary genjutsu.. Kamui however IS warping stuff out in another dimension which is not imaginary)?
Also maybe a specific MS technique IS copyable but like someone said... you need to fit the MS requirement FIRST before you could copy a MS... a sharingan does not elevate itself to MS by copying a MS because a MS is needed to make that technique...

Please don't bother coming at me with other arguments about other "philosophical" or debate issues until you prooved that last part wrong. Thank you.
 

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stampy stop fighting online makes u look dumb no offence but its true no point of taking things to the butt
pfffff you know what you're right... thanks... I give up on this guy xd
I just get soo pissed like that lol when I take time to refute every argument and then when they answer they skip the arguments that they can't argue... anyway moving on.
 

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pfffff you know what you're right... thanks... I give up on this guy xd
I just get soo pissed like that lol when I take time to refute every argument and then when they answer they skip the arguments that they can't argue... anyway moving on.
yea he obviously won't admit that your right/wrong, or maybe he does not know how the ms is activated
 

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Well we don't, cause obviously Kakashi has us creating threads about how da hell did he got it XD lol... Anyway we have had a few interesting leads in this thread I'm happy I created it!
 

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Well we don't, cause obviously Kakashi has us creating threads about how da hell did he got it XD lol... Anyway we have had a few interesting leads in this thread I'm happy I created it!
oh ur the creator i did not know that lol but idk i feel like he let his emotions flow away bc of the death of obito and jst let lose and his ms got activated
 

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oh ur the creator i did not know that lol but idk i feel like he let his emotions flow away bc of the death of obito and jst let lose and his ms got activated
Could very well be, in the very same alley I said earlier in the thread that he could have felt like Rin's death was his fault as he had promised Obito that he would protect her.

There is also the theory that he copied it off Itachi (lots of flaws in that reasoning but let's consider it anyways)

Or he worked his ass off concentrating his chakra in a way that would awaken the MS. Or meditations about loosing his close ones during the 3 year time lapse.

Don't think I forgot any did I?

EDIT: I did forgot one option ( cause it seems so remote to me): He killed his BFFF
 
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Could very well be, in the very same alley I said earlier in the thread that he could have felt like Rin's death was his fault as he had promised Obito that he would protect her.

There is also the theory that he copied it off Itachi (lots of flaws in that reasoning but let's consider it anyways)

Or he worked his ass off concentrating his chakra in a way that would awaken the MS. Or meditations about loosing his close ones during the 3 year time lapse.

Don't think I forgot any did I?

EDIT: I did forgot one option ( cause it seems so remote to me): He killed his BFFF
hmmm i think the obito theory seems more reasonable tho and kakashi never saw itachi's ms so yeah
 

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hmmm i think the obito theory seems more reasonable tho and kakashi never saw itachi's ms so yeah
Yeah, I wish he hadn't seen it, cause if he hadn't I would not have had this argument with Narutovsgoku. Argument, that is all based when Itachi strikes Kakashi with Tsukoyomi inside Konoha. so he had to have taken a peak in order to have fallen into it xd !! (btw it happened just before Naruto goes away with Jiraiya to learn Rasengan.
 

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something I will agree on are the good leads on the thread. Do you get when you asked or stated that when Madra took control giving people time to copy the MS if they had there wouldn't be only 4 MS dojuitsu users? And if the Uchiha did have the ability to use MS dojuitsu and didn't their deaths are their own fault for not stopping Madra and Itachi.
 

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Yeah, I wish he hadn't seen it, cause if he hadn't I would not have had this argument with Narutovsgoku. Argument, that is all based when Itachi strikes Kakashi with Tsukoyomi inside Konoha. so he had to have taken a peak in order to have fallen into it xd !! (btw it happened just before Naruto goes away with Jiraiya to learn Rasengan.
yea i know but itachi never did anything but to hurt kakashi i didnt think he wanted to kill kakashi and im almost sure itachi felt happy to visit the leaf
 
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