Are you sure eyes are considered bloodline limits? I think only jutsus/elemental affinity are considered as bloodline
This isn't proof its hearsay. Sauske was born into a specific clan who keeps the eyes genetics guarded just like neji. Neji has a curse seal to seal his eyes so the main branch of his clan can control the lesser branches fact not hearsay.Ao has nejis clan eye can can use it proof its NOT blood line limit making it Clan controlled/limited.Sauske has the blood line for the eye just like neji and pain its not limited because people outside of all owners of the eye use its ability.
This isn't proof its hearsay. Sauske was born into a specific clan who keeps the eyes genetics guarded just like neji. Neji has a curse seal to seal his eyes so the main branch of his clan can control the lesser branches fact not hearsay.Ao has nejis clan eye can can use it proof its NOT blood line limit making it Clan controlled/limited.
This isn't proof its hearsay. Sauske was born into a specific clan who keeps the eyes genetics guarded just like neji. Neji has a curse seal to seal his eyes so the main branch of his clan can control the lesser branches fact not hearsay.Ao has nejis clan eye can can use it proof its NOT blood line limit making it Clan controlled/limited.
Yeah you can laugh XD I am arguing.... but frankly won't put much more strength into it than I already just did thereShadedcrow, I'm not gonna argue with you about the specific definition of blood line limit as long as
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BUT if I may bring a point here... Sharingan is a blood line limit cause the sharingan is in the DNA from the beginning a growing Uchiha child will awaken it cause his DNA leads to it... once the Sharingan is full blown then you can transplant it to another person which in the manga does not seem like a big deal... there once you transplanted it the new non-uchiha user now has a sharingan with its own dna that differs from the new user's dna... which is why they won't be able to control it fully or as well as Uchiha's... (kakashi can not stop the sharingan it is always activated, while Uchihas have no problem switching from one state to another... furthermore Kakashi's sharingan drains a lot more energy than it should cause he does not fit the blood line.)
Also I have another non-sharingan related blood line limit case to discuss: Danzo... and Yamato... they were both given the dna from the first I think Hokage so that they would be able to use wood style techniques. In a way it also is a transplant much like a sharingan transplant which allow new users to use new techs.
So I would say sharingan is blood line limit based on these arguments, looking forward to your new opinion, or new arguments to counter
Shadedcrow, I'm not gonna argue with you about the specific definition of blood line limit as long as you agree with me that a Sharingan, MS, EMS, and rinnegan are not possible to copy, that's all I care for... Also if you happen to also agree that a sharingan can NOT copy a MS cause of the complexitiy of it as well as other techniques such as shuriken rasengan, chidori etc etc.... then we're also good and that's really all I care for personnaly don't put too much interest in the term "blood line"
BUT if I may bring a point here... Sharingan is a blood line limit cause the sharingan is in the DNA from the beginning a growing Uchiha child will awaken it cause his DNA leads to it... once the Sharingan is full blown then you can transplant it to another person which in the manga does not seem like a big deal... there once you transplanted it the new non-uchiha user now has a sharingan with its own dna that differs from the new user's dna... which is why they won't be able to control it fully or as well as Uchiha's... (kakashi can not stop the sharingan it is always activated, while Uchihas have no problem switching from one state to another... furthermore Kakashi's sharingan drains a lot more energy than it should cause he does not fit the blood line.)
Also I have another non-sharingan related blood line limit case to discuss: Danzo... and Yamato... they were both given the dna from the first I think Hokage so that they would be able to use wood style techniques. In a way it also is a transplant much like a sharingan transplant which allow new users to use new techs.
So I would say sharingan is blood line limit based on these arguments, looking forward to your new opinion, or new arguments to counter
Lets split it up what your saying to talk about it. Now that I'm off my phone to post.
1)MS is an ability of a thing the Sharingan eye.Things that is useable and able to be transfered like DNA. Its abilitys change and are changes with its users expierence and own personal abilitys and limits. Think of a house (a Sharingan, Byakugan,Rinnegan ), having the ability to hold a lot of things(dojuitsu), someone rips off the roof the room increasing the ability of your house to hold more things. Anyone in posession of your house(the correct sharingan(MS) transplanted Byakugan,Rinnegan ), ) has the ability to hold the things inside and use those things. Not to the origional owners ability but able.
2)I never said that somone could could copy the actual eye that grants the formentioned abilitys.Its the eyes/dna that give the ability to a user same with dna to the recipient of the transplant also fact. Kikashi was useing Sharingan while traped in a MS dojuitsu<fact as well making it plausible to copy until proven otherwise.
3)Nature chakra/chakra shape manipulation dosnet need to be copied their skills that can be taught and passed on to anyone with the ability right chakra and willpower to learn Sauske learned chidori from kikashi, and Naruto learned rasangan from Pervy Sage who learned it from the fourth.<still fact Sauske we know has thunder type chakra for chidori and Naruto has wind for his wind element shuriken, nither can learn or use the other with out the right type of energy< fact.
4) I'm really good I dont see/understand what type of logic people are using to refute the stated proofs.
5)MS doujuitsu have been shown to be mixes difrent kinds of juitsu that can be copied or learned with out a sharingan. of time space/ dimentional<<(other people use these type of techniques with out a MS), genjuitsu(<other people use these type of techniques with out a MS) mixed with time space, and summoning(<other people use these type of techniques with out a MS) mixed time space distortion.
6)having Uchiha DNA dosnet mean you will awaken sharingan, obito didnt unlock his till the day he died.
7)If you talk about Danzos wood style vs Yamamotos heres a diffrence, Yamamoto has the right chakra types earth and water and can use his techs with/from both arms Danzo is diffrent his techs just come out of the arm with the augmented DNA. both clearly viewed as fact from the manga.
That isn't a fact, it's a theory. Kakashi already stated that he can't copy Kekkei Genkai abilities during Zabusa and Haku arc (referring to Haku's Bloodline Limit). I disagree with you, there is no way that Kakashi copied MS, he wasn't even able to withstand few seconds of Tsukiyomi. If Uchihas can simply copy MS then there would be no need to kill each other and it wouldn't be rare among members. It's bizarre and unlikely and destroys the purpose of killing and feeling the emotional loss of a close friend in order to achieve greater power. Kekkei Genkai = Bloodline Limit and Eye techniques like Sharingan and Byakugan are called Dōjutsus. They are also part of the users' Kekkei Genkai. You and I both know that some Kekkei Genkai can be transplanted into another user under certain circumstances but not all.
I have no idea what you're referring to but what Stampy has said is true.
Don't see what your point is. They might seem similar but they are very different. You can say this about almost all techniques; taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, dojutsu and summons.
Right but every Uchiha still has that blood in him/her. That's what makes him/ her superior at using their specific Kekkei Genkai than those who simply transplant it.
My 1 to your 1)It is a fact because like you said that Kakashi said you cant copy moves that use chakra you dont have hes stated that mulitpule times. Refering to any blood line limit abilitys that require a special kind of chakra. He dosnet say you cant copy genjuitsu with the Sharingan because you dont need special chakra for a genjuitsu. Itachis Tsukuyomi is a MS level genjuitsu that traps an opponent's mind in an illusory world, torturing them for what seems like days in a matter of seconds. He has the three tomoe eye here you can see it at around 41seconds in the vid as well as Itachis three tamoe eye.<fact yes proof>
Well, I guess I can provide u with actual proof from the manga rather than linking shit off naruto wiki and youtube videos from the Anime. You do realize that Naruto wiki is as good of a source as wikipedia, right? You should know since you're a Biology professional and all. And the Anime does not remain 100% truthful to the manga, they like to add and take out things as they go.
. Oh and a youtube video and a Naruto-wiki link is not proof, sorry.. Will wait for your reply, please post proof from Manga if u plan to back ur theory up or if u try to prove me wrong otherwise don't bother.
goku went ssj because freeza used his red beem at picolo and he also killed krillin thats wut made goku turn super saiyen
First and formost don't bring my personal/profesional life into this thats F....d I'm a Sterile Processing Tech I do use biology as part of my profesion.You dont know me personaly dont talk like you do.Well, I guess I can provide u with actual proof from the manga rather than linking shit off naruto wiki and youtube videos from the Anime. You do realize that Naruto wiki is as good of a source as wikipedia, right? You should know since you're a Biology professional and all. And the Anime does not remain 100% truthful to the manga, they like to add and take out things as they go.
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Haku's Bloodline Limit can be comparable to a Sharingan and it cannot be copied. MS is on another level, it has requirements in order to use. A normal Sharingan can't just copy a Mangekyou Sharingan and turn into one. I'll tell you right now, your giant wall of text is a little hard to understand.
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Itachi explain exactly why Uchihas are better at using the Sharingan than non-Uchihas.
Take note, he formed no seals or anything for Kakashi to copy. Tsukiyomi took effect instantly. Kakashi thought he would be able to counter it with his Sharingan, wrong.
Now, you're the one suggesting that Kakashi copied Itachi's MS so why don't you show me some proof of how he did it? Don't tell me you "THINK" he did it because he apparently had a 3-tomoe Sharingan active. All you're doing is speculating. Let me refresh your memory with your very own quote, "Walk the walk when you talk the talk."
I have no idea why you're telling me that you don't need to kill people to obtain the 3-tomoe Sharingan. I already know that and I'm pretty sure everyone else does too. We're talking about how Kakashi obtained the MS and there are only 2 ways we know of how one can get MS and this is from the manga itself; 1). Killing the closest friend/ family member. 2). Experiencing the trauma and emotional pain from witnessing a death of a close friend/ family member.
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You must be registered for see links- Kakashi obtained his Sharingan with 2 tomoe.
You must be registered for see links- First time we see it, he's got 3 meaning he can advance his Sharingan just like a Uchiha would.
3). MS is not any ordinary Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, Genjutsu, etc. It's a bloodline limit technique (dojutsu) that one can get after he or she meets the requirements. Furthermore, if Kakashi copied Itachi's MS then why can't he use Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi or Susano'o? His Dojutsu is completely different. Answer this, can Kakashi copy Shisui's mind control technique just because he has a Sharingan?
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And I'll ask you again. What would be the need to kill the person closest to the user if one can simply COPY the Mangekyou Sharingan?
4). I know how genetics work. Re-read what I said; I mentioned the use of Kekkei Genkai and the users' blood. Refer to my links of Itachi's first encounter with Kakashi. Please do show me the manga chapter where it says Rinnegan is a Uzumaki trait. Uzumakis were known for their red hair, long lives and sealing jutsus.
5). You haven't provided any proof of any Uchiha copying a dojutsu let alone a Kekkei Genkai. It's a theory for now and in my opinion, a very dubious one at that. Your theory basically goes against the rule of sacrifice for greater power idea of the Uchiha clan. If what you said was correct then there would be no need to kill people in order to obtain MS. He most likely trained himself to use it is what I think.
6). I proved what I thought with actual manga chapters, now you should do the same. Your point of view, theory, opinion was posted with just as much flawed logic as anyone else's that u targeted. I personally think ur theory is the most far-fetched one in this whole thread but that's just my opinion
You're saying Stampy just posted his opinion but to me, it seems like u r the one posting opinions. He stated what happened in the manga while you're creating a scenario about what happened. You haven't exactly shown any facts either. I completely agree with you, I like debating this more than I like people but I also like Naruto manga
APOLOGIZE FOR THE LONG POST. Posted this for shadedcrow.
I know that but the requirements of ssj is activated because you need it at the time. MS could be activated be similar. Not the same but similar. Madara need more power, Izuna's was actived the same way, Itachi needed to destroy his clan, Sasuke needed more power for his vengence, Kakashi could have needed it to protect Naruto. Its only after the death of a brother figure can the posses it.
