[Discussion] Does madara have ems/ms?

[BarBoBot]

your poll is biased....so I and many others im sure didnt vote...

where is the option for "tobi isnt madara so he doesnt have a MS"?

dont you think thats an important option?

tobi has never shown his MS eye pattern or any of the known MS abilities.

He hasnt shown his face.

He has never been shown with his sharingan deactivated (only true uchiha can activate/deactivate their sharingan)

He bears no actual resemblence to the "Madara" we have all seen in the flashback scenes that show him and his brother.

That alone should be enough to make it POSSIBLE that Tobi is not Madara, yet you leave no poll option.

 

[kanesannin]

To all those wishing to have a serious conversation:
1. Everywhere in the manga for at least the last 40 or 50 chapters the masked man who is the leader of akatsuki has been referred to as madara, if that's what he calls himself, and everyone else in the manga also does the same then its only natural to call him that until proven otherwise.
2. The powers of ems are unknown as no user with those eyes apart from madara has been shown fighting with them(if he had an ems when he did) so it is possible that those abilities may not be an extension of regular ms powers.
3. Just so everyone is clear on the facts: in the regular timeline(non flashbacks) itachi only deactivated his sharingan once, so if a character is shown with his sharingan activated seemingly endlessly, its no guarantee they are or are not an uchiha. Moreover, its a fact that madara could use izanagi and that requires uchiha cells, sure so could danzo but an active sharingan drains chakra and needs to be covered, this is something madara has never been shown to do.
4. Space time jutsus like teleportation generally require seals to be performed, its unknown( correct me if i'm wrong) how the 2nd hokage used to perform his space time.
5. Its not fact whether madara has ems or he is the old madara, only the future manga can provide conclusive proof, the purpose here was simply to discuss the possibilities.

 

[BarBoBot]

Tobi has never covered his sharingan?!?!?!?!?!?

You know that his previous mask only had 1 hole EVEN THOUGH IT WAS PROVEN DURING THE KONAN FIGHT THAT HIS OTHER SHARINGAN WAS STILL THERE!

Take the advice I gave you before and just start again from chapter 1. As I said before; you missed ALOT.

 

[kanesannin]

Tobi has never covered his sharingan?!?!?!?!?!?

You know that his previous mask only had 1 hole EVEN THOUGH IT WAS PROVEN DURING THE KONAN FIGHT THAT HIS OTHER SHARINGAN WAS STILL THERE!

Take the advice I gave you before and just start again from chapter 1. As I said before; you missed ALOT.

That 1 sharingan WAS the one that was being referred to and its never been covered retard

 

[-The Agent-]

Regardless of the intangibility, we know he can suck people inside his sharingan. What normal sharingan can do that?

You have a point, Maybe thats each person's different Sharingan technique. Shisui was able to control people without them knowing it just by having a regular sharingan. (thats what we've been told)

24 say yes and 10 no......the majority appears to be in favor of him still having the ems...

Yeah I voted no because we have only seen his MS/EMS in flashbacks, not in present timeline.

your poll is biased....so I and many others im sure didnt vote...

where is the option for "tobi isnt madara so he doesnt have a MS"?

dont you think thats an important option?

tobi has never shown his MS eye pattern or any of the known MS abilities.


He hasnt shown his face.

He has never been shown with his sharingan deactivated (only true uchiha can activate/deactivate their sharingan)


He bears no actual resemblence to the "Madara" we have all seen in the flashback scenes that show him and his brother.

That alone should be enough to make it POSSIBLE that Tobi is not Madara, yet you leave no poll option.

Bolded: All agree, Although people say Tobi is Madara its clear, theres still cause to doubt that he isn't Madara.
Hasn't shown his MS,EMS. Hasn't shown his true face to the public. What does he have to hide?
Why would Madara the leader of the Uchihas back in the day, the true leader of akatsuki, and the person who stood up against Hashirama be scared of anybody? (last coffin). That doesn't add up to me.

Underline: Disagree Itachi barelly deactivated his Sharingan, but you do have a good point. But if he wasn't a Uchiha wouldn't he have to cover it like Kakashi and Danzou.

 

[BarBoBot]

Agent; it's still a mystery, but Tobi does have uchiha and hashirama senju DNA. If ANY non uchiha could leave a sharingan uncovered, it would be him.

Also remember that itachi always had his active because kisame told him he would kill him if he let his guard down.

 

[BarBoBot]

You obviously missed puberty you prick!!! go flame somewhere else your comments are total bs!!!:flaw:

Don't post when your not on your meds , that 1 sharingan WAS the one that was being referred to and its never been covered retard

Learn to read.

Tobi had 2 sharingan. Proof is when he uses izanagi the sharingan on his left side was sealed shut .

Now back to the point. You said Tobi never covered his sharingan..... The FACT IS HE ALWAYS KEPT HIS SECOND SHARINGAN COVERED!!!!!

Why did he do that smart guy???????

 

[-The Agent-]

Agent; it's still a mystery, but Tobi does have uchiha and hashirama senju DNA. If ANY non uchiha could leave a sharingan uncovered, it would be him.

Also remember that itachi always had his active because kisame told him he would kill him if he let his guard down.

Yeah, but you can tell Kisame actually cared about Itachi over time. Besides His sharingan deactivates when he he overuses his MS technique. Like that time when he first put Kakashi in Tsukuyomi. If Kisame wanted to kill him, he would have while he was in that weakened state.

But Tobi had his other eye covered because he only needs one eye to fight. He's powerful enough with one eye. He wouldn't have two Sharingans if he wasn't a Uchiha he would be dead from the constant chakra drain. Danzou had 10 Sharingan, on his harm and Shisui's eye in his socket, and Senju DNA and all were covered.

 

[BarBoBot]

Why would a true uchiha EVER cover their eye though?

Remember that MS grants EACH eye it's own power, so wouldn't he want to be able to use that ability without taking his mask off?

Also danzo had at least 10 sharingan like you said. No matter who it is, when you have that many sharingan it's gonna drain alot of chakra.

Tobi had 2, and he kept 1 of them covered. It smells funny ya know?

 

[xShinra Tensei]

Regardless of the intangibility, we know he can suck people inside his sharingan. What normal sharingan can do that?

Mastered Kamui? It's not too clear whether he quickly activates MS/EMS or whether its his normal sharingan.

 

[BigTDogg220]

Mastered Kamui? It's not too clear whether he quickly activates MS/EMS or whether its his normal sharingan.

It's certainly hard to say for sure whether it's EMS or the normal sharingan. I'm just going off what we've seen that normal sharingan don't really have additional abilities...although Shishui's eye is particularly stronger at controlling people's mind then other sharingan's/

 

[xShinra Tensei]

It's certainly hard to say for sure whether it's EMS or the normal sharingan. I'm just going off what we've seen that normal sharingan don't really have additional abilities...although Shishui's eye is particularly stronger at controlling people's mind then other sharingan's/

Yes, which is why Tobi/Madara got gamer-rage when Danzo left the game.

 

[Howard]

I'm gonna have to say He doesn't. because the point of EMS was that the user wouldn't go blind. we know you can de-activate sharingan, but to de-activate EMS (even though it has no side effects) it'd have to revert to MS first, but how could that happen if you've got 2 sets of sharingan? it wouldn't revert at all because you don't just have one MS anymore, you've got 2, one of which isn't yours so it has no shape to revert to. basically what i'm saying is, due to having 2 sharingan, it can't be deactivated because you can no longer revert to MS then to the Tomoes. that's my opinion until proven otherwise by Kishi.

The only way we will truly know is if Saskue is able to but we won't see that for a while

 

[xShinra Tensei]

The only way we will truly know is if Saskue is able to but we won't see that for a while

As always, Kishi knows all.

 

[Cyborg]

i think madara has ems

 

[spideysenses]

The nine tail isn't that strong. Even the first hokage knows how to control it. Sharingan user are known to control beast. Madara must have MS because when he fought Konan he used Izangi.

 

[-The Agent-]

The nine tail isn't that strong. Even the first hokage knows how to control it. Sharingan user are known to control beast. Madara must have MS because when he fought Konan he used Izangi.

First only controlled the beasts because of wood element. The Kyuubi is strong. You don't need MS to use Izanagi, just Uchiha and Senju DNA.

 

[Oodama]

I say that he still has EMS. EMS behaves the same as MS, except you don't go blind from use. Madara is a very smart character who is not a fan of showing the enemy all of his powers. By keeping secrets, he makes it so that he can have an ace or two up his sleeve for dangerous situations. I think that he does have it still, and just doesn't feel the need to brandish it and make everyone aware of his secret power.

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

If he had EMS he wouldn't need Sasuke. That guy hates Uchihas.

 

[the narukudo]

madara doesnt have ems because he used izanagi in their fight with hashirama senju that the only option of surviving and also it was for the first time using izanagi because with his emshe was able to gain on hashirama abilities.about madara normal sharingan being ableto taimthe kyubi is because his chakra are naturaly sinister and having senju dna in him and had an ems he can control the kyubi with a normal sharingan.allthis is why he was after the rinnegan so much after nagato s death. this what i think.