[Discussion] If something doesn't happen in the manga, it's not really part of the story

[BigTDogg220]

I just keep reading posts where people are trying to argue that things that happen in fillers are actually part of the true storyline. The problem is with the majority of the fillers is they exist in their own fragmented episode that's never mentioned again or even at times contrary to what's been seen. The same goes for movies for example their isn't a Zero tailed beast (which was in one Naruto movie), Naruto doesn't use a tornado rasengan, and Sasuke doesn't use Chidori needles. Sora (the pseudo 9 tails jinchuriki) doesn't exist in the manga timeline and is never mentioned.

If it didn't happen in the manga, it's not really part of the story.

 

[leafeater]

I just keep reading posts where people are trying to argue that things that happen in fillers are actually part of the true storyline. The problem is with the majority of the fillers is they exist in their own fragmented episode that's never mentioned again or even at times contrary to what's been seen. The same goes for movies for example their isn't a Zero tailed beast (which was in one Naruto movie), Naruto doesn't use a tornado rasengan, and Sasuke doesn't use Chidori needles. Sora (the pseudo 9 tails jinchuriki) doesn't exist in the manga timeline and is never mentioned.

If it didn't happen in the manga, it's not really part of the story.

I completely agree. For example, Kakashi can't both have (anime) and have not (manga) a fire elemental affinity at the same time, no? Two opposites can't both be true at the same time. Sadly, some people don't agree.

 

[BigTDogg220]

I completely agree. For example, Kakashi can't both have (anime) and have not (manga) a fire elemental affinity at the same time, no? Two opposites can't both be true at the same time. Sadly, some people don't agree.

Well put. I didn't even realize the anime fillers said he had a fire element affinity. That's just too dumb.

The anime fillers can be fun like the Tale of the Gutsy Ninja about Jiraiya's past, but most of the time they're painful.

 

[Dracule]

Good point

 

[NLee]

So true. It's annoying when people try to bring up fillers (or even movies for that matter) to try and argue a point >.<

 

[BeastMode]

I completely agree.
But I do have a bit confusion considering one of the swordsmen seen in the super old filler seems to have resurfaced, or at least his swords did.
Correct me if I'm wrong please

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

you are right that the filler are not part of the actual story and manga.. but they are still relevant and related to the manga and actual story.. Kishi owns Naruto and the fillers and movies are of Kishis work. and if in a movie Naruto does a rainbow rasengan or a crescent moon rasengan than it happened. it may never happen in the manga but it happen and is relevant. i hate ppl that disgards the movies and fillers and dont realize that Kishi is in charge of all of that. i even heard Kishi wrote the filler about the 6 tails..

 

[Adramelech]

I just keep reading posts where people are trying to argue that things that happen in fillers are actually part of the true storyline. The problem is with the majority of the fillers is they exist in their own fragmented episode that's never mentioned again or even at times contrary to what's been seen. The same goes for movies for example their isn't a Zero tailed beast (which was in one Naruto movie), Naruto doesn't use a tornado rasengan, and Sasuke doesn't use Chidori needles. Sora (the pseudo 9 tails jinchuriki) doesn't exist in the manga timeline and is never mentioned.

If it didn't happen in the manga, it's not really part of the story.

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those sure look like chidori needles to me..

 

[leafeater]

you are right that the filler are not part of the actual story and manga.. but they are still relevant and related to the manga and actual story.. Kishi owns Naruto and the fillers and movies are of Kishis work. and if in a movie Naruto does a rainbow rasengan or a crescent moon rasengan than it happened. it may never happen in the manga but it happen and is relevant. i hate ppl that disgards the movies and fillers and dont realize that Kishi is in charge of all of that. i even heard Kishi wrote the filler about the 6 tails..

Even if he was involved, and I'd like to see some proof that it wasn't just based on his work, it's still irrelevant to manga arguments and thus this subsection of the forums. Does Kakashi have fire elemental affinity or not? In the anime he does, in the manga he doesn't. They're separate. I am certain that the manga is coming from Kishi, I'm not with regards to fillers or movies.

In the 3rd movie Naruto uses a giant FRS, when a regular one severely damaged his arm, yet he's fine afterwards. The anime and movies need liberty because the manga is too short to make a 20 minute episode from. I enjoy basically everything Naruto - manga, anime (including most fillers), movies (meh, 3rd one was the best), and video games (NUNS2, 360 [Leafeaterx]). In the credits, the game is based on Kishimoto's work, but I doubt he had any role in the game at all, especially after playing through it.

For those who read the "Harry Potter" books and watched the movies, you'll see that they're different things entirely, but I appreciate them both.

What I particularly dislike is people that say such a character used X jutsu in the the 3rd movie, he should use it in the ninja war, for example. Technically that technique doesn't exist until it appears in the manga.

Finally, what I emboldened in your quote I think is fine to a limited extent depending on a case by case scenario. If you disagree, that's fine, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

 

[BigTDogg220]

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those sure look like chidori needles to me..

That's true, but they aren't the ones I'm referring to. He used the tiny ones to cut off an enemies chakra flow without him knowing about it in the movie. They have the same name, so I should've been more specific, my bad.

 

[BigTDogg220]

you are right that the filler are not part of the actual story and manga.. but they are still relevant and related to the manga and actual story.. Kishi owns Naruto and the fillers and movies are of Kishis work. and if in a movie Naruto does a rainbow rasengan or a crescent moon rasengan than it happened. it may never happen in the manga but it happen and is relevant. i hate ppl that disgards the movies and fillers and dont realize that Kishi is in charge of all of that. i even heard Kishi wrote the filler about the 6 tails..

I agree with leafeater that some of them are particularly related, but some are just out there odd creations that we'll never see anything about.

The problem as leafeater stated is that far too often the movies and fillers contradict what the manga has said and that's why it can't be trusted as part of the story until you see it in the manga.

 

[nagato2]

if thats true why the hell is gari and pakkun th inherators of the will of fire

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[fxwarrior]

if thats true why the hell is gari and pakkun th inherators of the will of fire

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That's awsomely epic! O.O That makes wanna actually see that movie! "My guess" The animator's probably created those character's, and then kishi probably liked the design of the two of them, so he decided to use there design's for the two ninja in the war

 

[Floydical]

That's awsomely epic! O.O That makes wanna actually see that movie! "My guess" The animator's probably created those character's, and then kishi probably liked the design of the two of them, so he decided to use there design's for the two ninja in the war

Nope, Kishi came up with them and introduced them in the movie first. The same can be said for Raiga's swords. Despite Raiga being a filler character, kishi knew even at that time what he wanted the swords to look like. That is why we saw Raiga using the bolt swords that are consistent with what we saw in 523. Indeed, Kishi has come up with at least a large portion of the larger filler segments and are decently related to the story. However, it is very clear that both the anime and the manga are two separate entities. Despite the fact that Raiga used manga-accurate 7SM swords, that does not mean he exists in the manga, he exists in the anime only. It was cool to see movie-only characters who were later introduced in the manga, but they were of course a special case. After all, they were dead in the movie and brought back to life in the manga where the way they died was insignificant. As other people have said, a character does not exist in the manga until they are introduced, one has to always separate anime from manga.

 

[fxwarrior]

Nope, Kishi came up with them and introduced them in the movie first. The same can be said for Raiga's swords. Despite Raiga being a filler character, kishi knew even at that time what he wanted the swords to look like. That is why we saw Raiga using the bolt swords that are consistent with what we saw in 523. Indeed, Kishi has come up with at least a large portion of the larger filler segments and are decently related to the story. However, it is very clear that both the anime and the manga are two separate entities. Despite the fact that Raiga used manga-accurate 7SM swords, that does not mean he exists in the manga, he exists in the anime only. It was cool to see movie-only characters who were later introduced in the manga, but they were of course a special case. After all, they were dead in the movie and brought back to life in the manga where the way they died was insignificant. As other people have said, a character does not exist in the manga until they are introduced, one has to always separate anime from manga.

I thought kishi doesnt have anything to the anime. Just the manga. Ive never heard of a Mangaka who work's with both the manga and the anime.

 

[BigTDogg220]

if thats true why the hell is gari and pakkun th inherators of the will of fire

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Great eye there. Let me clarify what I meant in the thread. Generally (not all the time certainly as some awesome examples have shown) things that happen during fillers and movies are not part of the actual story. Sometimes the fillers and movies absolutely borrow from Kishimoto's material and are completely accurate to the story (ie 12 Guardian Shinobi filler, Jiraiya's Tales of a Gutsy Ninja filler, some of the characters captured and used for inheritors of the will of fire), but that certainly can't be the rule. Until it's seen in the manga, it's more often than not part of the true story.

The best fillers are sure to enhance what was already referenced from the manga. (ie 12 Guardian Shinobi filler, Jiraiya's Tales of a Gutsy Ninja filler...)

 

[Floydical]

I thought kishi doesnt have anything to the anime. Just the manga. Ive never heard of a Mangaka who work's with both the manga and the anime.

It actually happens a lot. It is known that the creator of Full Metal Alchemist worked closely with the animators when they were creating Bortherhood and even went out of her way to finish the manga when the anime was catching up to it. We also know that Kubo oversaw the creation of the newest Bleach movie associated with the Hell arc. The majority of the ideas used in the Naruto fillers/movies was originally the ideas of Kishi.

 

[nagato2]

That's awsomely epic! O.O That makes wanna actually see that movie! "My guess" The animator's probably created those character's, and then kishi probably liked the design of the two of them, so he decided to use there design's for the two ninja in the war

heres th link bro

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[BigTDogg220]

Chūkichi also appeared in the movie as one of the shinobi with a kekkai genkai that hasn't been shown.

"Gari resembles a shinobi who was abducted by Hiruko for use with his Chimera Technique during the events of Naruto Shippūden 3: Inheritors of the Will of Fire to collect Kekkei Genkai. However, Gari possesses a different Kekkei Genkai than any Hiruko obtained, indicating that they are in fact different ninja." (

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"Pakura resembles a Sunagakure kunoichi who was abducted by Hiruko for use with his Chimera Technique during the events of Naruto Shippūden 3: Inheritors of the Will of Fire. However, Pakura possesses a different kekkei genkai than any Hiruko obtained, indicating that they are in fact different ninja." (

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[Joegonzo]

Chūkichi also appeared in the movie as one of the shinobi with a kekkai genkai that hasn't been shown.

"Gari resembles a shinobi who was abducted by Hiruko for use with his Chimera Technique during the events of Naruto Shippūden 3: Inheritors of the Will of Fire to collect Kekkei Genkai. However, Gari possesses a different Kekkei Genkai than any Hiruko obtained, indicating that they are in fact different ninja." (

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"Pakura resembles a Sunagakure kunoichi who was abducted by Hiruko for use with his Chimera Technique during the events of Naruto Shippūden 3: Inheritors of the Will of Fire. However, Pakura possesses a different kekkei genkai than any Hiruko obtained, indicating that they are in fact different ninja." (

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It doesn't really matter. They are drawn the exact same way. You don't really need anyone to tell you theyy are the same people. It's likely their KGs were different, because as you said already, things in the manga and anime are usually different and anything can be changed.

Also, do they actually say in the manga thatt Kakashi can't use fire? I'm not saying he can, I just wouldn't rule it out until we are told he can't. I agree that the manga and anime are seperate and people should view them that way.