who is stronger killer bee or his brother?

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Being appointed the titular head of the joint shinobi alliance does'nt translate into strength. Tsunade is the leaf's hokage, are you implying she's stronger than everyone else in the leaf, including naruto?? Fail argument( sorry). There probably are others in the joint shinobi army in the same way who are stronger than the raikage.

There is great reason why Raikage is head of the shinobi alliance. reasons that Mifune gave that he is all around the best canidate because he was quick to find a resolution to the issue that Madara presents and one key reason is because his authority over the 8 Tails. all Kages are considered the BEST shinobis of their villages and each of them could either be leader of the alliance but Raikage was considered and choosen as the best pick and no other Kage disagreed except Tsuchikage complained a lil bit.

also Tsunade is the strongest in the Leaf second to Naruto. Naruto is by far surpassed all before him and proved that during the Pain attack but Tsunade is still the strongest after him with much experience, strength, superior chakra control, knowledge, the slug, and medical ninjutsu. props to the fact shes a legendary sannin, held her own agaisnt Hanzo who only lost to Pain, granddaughter of the 1st hokage.. Tsuande is the shyt dont try to play my homegirl..

anyways.....

I generally appreciate a good comment/point(look at other threads) and do compliment where appropriate. However, seeing as how you have not addressed the entire last paragraph of my last post, i find that a little hard to do now.

I am not 'kidding', it was just a spar ( but an intense one at that). Not that i agree with this, but if i use your way of thinking, then if both parties were close to dying then sasuke would have used his susanoo against bee which he did not so he was'nt close to dying( disproving your statement). Of course bee was trying to run, that only proves he was'nt interested in fighting and thus removing the question of him being brought down by ametarasu.

srry about not replying to ya last paragraph dont take it as disrespect i forgot about it idk why or how and i was going to comment on it but idk i missed it..

"spar" is like a practice fight. like you said Sasuke was very close to death twice during his fight with Bee. Bee could have been turned sushi by amterasu. idk about the choice of using spar to describe that fight. Sasuke wasnt looking to spar he was trying to capture a jinchuriki. and when he was agaisnt the ropes he used amaterasu. not sasuno because he either couldnt, maybe not enough emotions was triggered to unlock it, and their was emotions mind you seeing all his friends in pain trying to support him, ooorrr he just didnt feel the need to use sasuno yet. either way fact is he didnt use sasuno, reason unknown but he just didnt and Bee did not face a Sasuke Raikage faced.

another difference is that Sasuke at the summit was more "eviler" i guess. Karin and Jugo commented that he had a darker chakra and was colder.. Sasuke was tryna massacre ppl. the emotions and fight at the summit and against Raikage unlocked or forced him to use Sasuno.

btw so we agree Bee was trying to leave. do you agree that hadnt Karin almost been crushed by the giant tentacle of the 8th and if Sasuke hadnt have cut it and give Bee a chance to escape meaning that Bee would have been captured?

Yeah, are we talking Shukaku level? Or Hachibi. That's open to debate.



Agreed.





Not necessarily, are you saying that Bee WANTS to fight his brother? Bee doesn't have negative feelings. He could have let Motoi die, kill him, or anything else like that for revenge for Motoi trying to kill him.

He could have killed Taka, Sasuke included. He almost DID twice. Why would Bee want to face up against his brother in a fight to the death?

Also, cloaked mode is different from a full Bijuu transformation. I don't see any defense the Raikage has at the moment to counter the Bijuu-Dama Ball.

Also, Bee vs. Sasuke was a "spar" as noted by the Hachibi who said "Why did you transform when the battle was under your control in the first place?"

your right whether its one tail or 8 tail is open to debate and i will say Raikages chakra was close to 8 tails maybe even a little bit more.

being that i honestly believe Raikage has to be near the strength or stronger than his brother in order to be kage of his village. Raikage has to represent the village #1 go to guy. he has to be the hero if the village is in danger. every village is always scared of their jinchuriki, most of the time try to restrain them in the village, isolate them, even kill them out of fear the jinchuriki will lose control of their bijuu and attack the village. so who is in charge of the jinchuriki?! the Kage! thats why most of the times in the cases that we've seen the jinchurikis are closely related to the Kage. Minato, 4th Hokage, his wife AND his son was 9tails host. Gaara's own father sealed the 1 tails in him, Gaara's dad was Kazekage.

even if the kage is not family related they are still in full accountability of the jinchuriki. they have to be strong enough to control the jinchuriki and/or the host. the 1st Hokage portrayed the best control of tailed beasts since the SO6P. He literally collected bijuus like they were pokemons and just handed them over to other villages like nothing.

point is Raikage has to represent the strongest and his job is to be stronger than the jinchuriki and its host. and also Raikage chakra is about, around 8tails. its highly possible and he wouldnt be the first character with chakra on account Kisame reminded Neji of Naruto's chakra. and that was a clone with 30% of chakra. idk hows thats possible.

unlike most jinchurikis Bee never had negative feelings. he is the exception of how most jinchurikis feel and react to all the negativety around them. Utaka the 6tails, Gaara the 1tails even Naruto all felt angry at one point in their lives because of the mistreatment that comes from being a host. Bee didnt sweat it. so im not saying Bee hates anybody or wants to fight his bro to the death..

yes Bee almost killed Sasuke twice and whooped the whole Taka crew but fact is he was taken down by an Amaterasu. Raikage made Amaterasu look whack when he dodged it and punched Sasuke through it and attempted to leg drop through it. i think Raikage is soo bad@ss that he would slap a Tailed Beast Bomb in another direction like how they do in DBZ. lol.. ok maybe not but i can see him having a defense for it. Hell Orochimaru, and if my memory's correct, Taka and Pain did?!?! more importantly Orochimaru had a defense for it. and Raikage is way better than Oro.

"spar" is a wierd choice but yea i can see what your trying to say with what the 8tails said and all but Sasuke was not "sparring" he was aiming to disarm and contain Bee. any means neccessary.

A prejudiced opinion against jinchurikis in general, validation denied. Oh and btw, A is probably slower than b when the full power ( NOT just the tailed cloak) of the 8 tails is used .

no his opinion is validated. people have a prejudiced opinion that a ninja with a Tailed Beast in them is automatically kicking @ss which has been proven very untrue when looking at the fact that all of the jinchurikis have been beaten and/or overpowered by akatsuki members. most of them have been captured!! alive i might add. its harder to capture a powerful person alive than dead. ninjas who wielded incredible amount of chakra, some were able to tap into their beast powers and use it, Gaaras ultimate defense sand, Utaka bubble style, Yugito who trained with Bee in controlling her beast fully transform into it, the lava style jinchuriki, Bee beaten by amaterasu and forced to escape, all beaten!!!

and btw Raikage is waaaaaay faster than Bee. again we'd have to compare speed from the fight with Sasuke cuz thats where their speeds were both noted. Suigetsu said that Bee movements couldnt be read, Sasuke saw that his movements were linear and easy to predict but it was still hard for him to follow him even with his sharingan eyes because of Bee's speed. thats why he asked for Karin to keep a track of his chakra at all times and to give a location of him at all times. Raikage however was described to be faster than a flash of light. he also could not be trailed by the sharingan eyes. and he dodged amaterasu. now mind you amaterasu burns anything that the MS eyes looks at. Raikage is faster than you looking at him with MS eyes. note that Bee did not dodge amaterasu. Bee was at full power when hit by amaterasu and did not dodge it. it was not part of Bee's plan to pretend to be hit by amaterasu and escape. Bee fully was hit, amaterasu was successful and escape wasnt enivitable until the oppurtunity came from the severed limb. but point is Bee at full power did not and/or could not dodge amaterasu where as Raikage looked like a Super Saiyan 2 doing it. lol nah on a sidenote that really reminded me of DBZ when he did the after image. anyways i think Raikage definently wins in the speed department.

 

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There is great reason why Raikage is head of the shinobi alliance. reasons that Mifune gave that he is all around the best canidate because he was quick to find a resolution to the issue that Madara presents and one key reason is because his authority over the 8 Tails. all Kages are considered the BEST shinobis of their villages and each of them could either be leader of the alliance but Raikage was considered and choosen as the best pick and no other Kage disagreed except Tsuchikage complained a lil bit.

also Tsunade is the strongest in the Leaf second to Naruto. Naruto is by far surpassed all before him and proved that during the Pain attack but Tsunade is still the strongest after him with much experience, strength, superior chakra control, knowledge, the slug, and medical ninjutsu. props to the fact shes a legendary sannin, held her own agaisnt Hanzo who only lost to Pain, granddaughter of the 1st hokage.. Tsuande is the shyt dont try to play my homegirl..

anyways.....


srry about not replying to ya last paragraph dont take it as disrespect i forgot about it idk why or how and i was going to comment on it but idk i missed it..

"spar" is like a practice fight. like you said Sasuke was very close to death twice during his fight with Bee. Bee could have been turned sushi by amterasu. idk about the choice of using spar to describe that fight. Sasuke wasnt looking to spar he was trying to capture a jinchuriki. and when he was agaisnt the ropes he used amaterasu. not sasuno because he either couldnt, maybe not enough emotions was triggered to unlock it, and their was emotions mind you seeing all his friends in pain trying to support him, ooorrr he just didnt feel the need to use sasuno yet. either way fact is he didnt use sasuno, reason unknown but he just didnt and Bee did not face a Sasuke Raikage faced.

another difference is that Sasuke at the summit was more "eviler" i guess. Karin and Jugo commented that he had a darker chakra and was colder.. Sasuke was tryna massacre ppl. the emotions and fight at the summit and against Raikage unlocked or forced him to use Sasuno.

btw so we agree Bee was trying to leave. do you agree that hadnt Karin almost been crushed by the giant tentacle of the 8th and if Sasuke hadnt have cut it and give Bee a chance to escape meaning that Bee would have been captured?



your right whether its one tail or 8 tail is open to debate and i will say Raikages chakra was close to 8 tails maybe even a little bit more.

being that i honestly believe Raikage has to be near the strength or stronger than his brother in order to be kage of his village. Raikage has to represent the village #1 go to guy. he has to be the hero if the village is in danger. every village is always scared of their jinchuriki, most of the time try to restrain them in the village, isolate them, even kill them out of fear the jinchuriki will lose control of their bijuu and attack the village. so who is in charge of the jinchuriki?! the Kage! thats why most of the times in the cases that we've seen the jinchurikis are closely related to the Kage. Minato, 4th Hokage, his wife AND his son was 9tails host. Gaara's own father sealed the 1 tails in him, Gaara's dad was Kazekage.

even if the kage is not family related they are still in full accountability of the jinchuriki. they have to be strong enough to control the jinchuriki and/or the host. the 1st Hokage portrayed the best control of tailed beasts since the SO6P. He literally collected bijuus like they were pokemons and just handed them over to other villages like nothing.

point is Raikage has to represent the strongest and his job is to be stronger than the jinchuriki and its host. and also Raikage chakra is about, around 8tails. its highly possible and he wouldnt be the first character with chakra on account Kisame reminded Neji of Naruto's chakra. and that was a clone with 30% of chakra. idk hows thats possible.

unlike most jinchurikis Bee never had negative feelings. he is the exception of how most jinchurikis feel and react to all the negativety around them. Utaka the 6tails, Gaara the 1tails even Naruto all felt angry at one point in their lives because of the mistreatment that comes from being a host. Bee didnt sweat it. so im not saying Bee hates anybody or wants to fight his bro to the death..

yes Bee almost killed Sasuke twice and whooped the whole Taka crew but fact is he was taken down by an Amaterasu. Raikage made Amaterasu look whack when he dodged it and punched Sasuke through it and attempted to leg drop through it. i think Raikage is soo bad@ss that he would slap a Tailed Beast Bomb in another direction like how they do in DBZ. lol.. ok maybe not but i can see him having a defense for it. Hell Orochimaru, and if my memory's correct, Taka and Pain did?!?! more importantly Orochimaru had a defense for it. and Raikage is way better than Oro.

"spar" is a wierd choice but yea i can see what your trying to say with what the 8tails said and all but Sasuke was not "sparring" he was aiming to disarm and contain Bee. any means neccessary.



no his opinion is validated. people have a prejudiced opinion that a ninja with a Tailed Beast in them is automatically kicking @ss which has been proven very untrue when looking at the fact that all of the jinchurikis have been beaten and/or overpowered by akatsuki members. most of them have been captured!! alive i might add. its harder to capture a powerful person alive than dead. ninjas who wielded incredible amount of chakra, some were able to tap into their beast powers and use it, Gaaras ultimate defense sand, Utaka bubble style, Yugito who trained with Bee in controlling her beast fully transform into it, the lava style jinchuriki, Bee beaten by amaterasu and forced to escape, all beaten!!!

and btw Raikage is waaaaaay faster than Bee. again we'd have to compare speed from the fight with Sasuke cuz thats where their speeds were both noted. Suigetsu said that Bee movements couldnt be read, Sasuke saw that his movements were linear and easy to predict but it was still hard for him to follow him even with his sharingan eyes because of Bee's speed. thats why he asked for Karin to keep a track of his chakra at all times and to give a location of him at all times. Raikage however was described to be faster than a flash of light. he also could not be trailed by the sharingan eyes. and he dodged amaterasu. now mind you amaterasu burns anything that the MS eyes looks at. Raikage is faster than you looking at him with MS eyes. note that Bee did not dodge amaterasu. Bee was at full power when hit by amaterasu and did not dodge it. it was not part of Bee's plan to pretend to be hit by amaterasu and escape. Bee fully was hit, amaterasu was successful and escape wasnt enivitable until the oppurtunity came from the severed limb. but point is Bee at full power did not and/or could not dodge amaterasu where as Raikage looked like a Super Saiyan 2 doing it. lol nah on a sidenote that really reminded me of DBZ when he did the after image. anyways i think Raikage definently wins in the speed department.

Maaaannn........its like arguing with a brick wall:no_ignore:
Listen, no offense, but you are missing a very basic point: the logic of inferring something about the actuality of an event AFTER the event has taken place in light of new evidence about said event. Suppose this was the movie the matrix, now imagine this hypothetical scene:
'An agent fires a bullet at neo, who is standing about 100 feet away , and seemingly drops dead. Seeing this, the agent leaves the scene, satisfied that his opponent has been killed. Later, we are shown in super slow motion that neo fell backwards with such speed that the bullet flew above him, and he lay on the ground only pretending to be dead( for whatever reasons he may have had).' Please note that in this example neo is NOT hit by the bullet, he fell down on purpose to make it look like that. Would you call this a victory for the agent, or that neo, who was fast enough to dodge the bullet, did not have enough strength to get up? That reasoning is bs.
You see in the naruto universe, instead of dodging bullets, substitutions and shadow clones are used to deceive. That's what killer bee does, it goes to his credit because he got exactly what he wanted( a vacation) If sasuke cut that tentacle its even worse that he himself gave bee the means for his escape and could'nt detect it( still no credit goes against bee).

You said it yourself, kages are CONSIDERED to be the toughest ninjas in the village, that does'nt mean they are. Sorry but tsunade is weak sh'it, probably the weakest hokage EVER( and the weakest sannin to boot). I mean, did you see her get her a'ss owned by kabuto?

Anyway, lets not get into another argument, np if you ignore the tsunade reference.

Apart from giving a dramatic effect to the storyline, the only reason all the jinchurikis have been captured is because the TOUGHEST shinobi organisation( akatsuki) in the world was after them. ALL 5 shinobi nations are fighting together against this ONE organisation and still sweating like hell( read current manga). If the akatsuki had been after the kages, every one of them would be dead. If you want to criticize the jinchurikis like that, lets take a look at the kages at the hands of akatsuki, shall we?:

Kazekage( dont remember which one) killed by orochimaru, 3rd hokage also killed by oro.
Third kazekage killed and made into sasori's puppet.
Hanzo of the hidden rain killed by pain
Gaara killed by deidara
Mizukage made into madara's puppet

This is without the akatsuki being after them, so i wonder what would have happened if capturing them was actually akatsuki's goal???
The hidden cloud village is lucky that none of the akatsuki members belong to it( this was the reason that the raikage was chosen as the head of the joint shinobi army btw, otherwise the tsuchikage would never have agreed). So much for the mighty kages.....

I appreciate that you are trying to find common ground and thank you for that, but i am very strongly opinionated on this one, sorry.

 

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KILLERBEE......!!!

 

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Raikage's going to be one hell of a spectacular fighter, I might even think he will help Naruto to decapitate Madara, because of killing his brother(coming soon)

 

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Maaaannn........its like arguing with a brick wall:no_ignore:
Listen, no offense, but you are missing a very basic point: the logic of inferring something about the actuality of an event AFTER the event has taken place in light of new evidence about said event. Suppose this was the movie the matrix, now imagine this hypothetical scene:
'An agent fires a bullet at neo, who is standing about 100 feet away , and seemingly drops dead. Seeing this, the agent leaves the scene, satisfied that his opponent has been killed. Later, we are shown in super slow motion that neo fell backwards with such speed that the bullet flew above him, and he lay on the ground only pretending to be dead( for whatever reasons he may have had).' Please note that in this example neo is NOT hit by the bullet, he fell down on purpose to make it look like that. Would you call this a victory for the agent, or that neo, who was fast enough to dodge the bullet, did not have enough strength to get up? That reasoning is bs.
You see in the naruto universe, instead of dodging bullets, substitutions and shadow clones are used to deceive. That's what killer bee does, it goes to his credit because he got exactly what he wanted( a vacation) If sasuke cut that tentacle its even worse that he himself gave bee the means for his escape and could'nt detect it( still no credit goes against bee).

You said it yourself, kages are CONSIDERED to be the toughest ninjas in the village, that does'nt mean they are. Sorry but tsunade is weak sh'it, probably the weakest hokage EVER( and the weakest sannin to boot). I mean, did you see her get her a'ss owned by kabuto?

Anyway, lets not get into another argument, np if you ignore the tsunade reference.

Apart from giving a dramatic effect to the storyline, the only reason all the jinchurikis have been captured is because the TOUGHEST shinobi organisation( akatsuki) in the world was after them. ALL 5 shinobi nations are fighting together against this ONE organisation and still sweating like hell( read current manga). If the akatsuki had been after the kages, every one of them would be dead. If you want to criticize the jinchurikis like that, lets take a look at the kages at the hands of akatsuki, shall we?:

Kazekage( dont remember which one) killed by orochimaru, 3rd hokage also killed by oro.
Third kazekage killed and made into sasori's puppet.
Hanzo of the hidden rain killed by pain
Gaara killed by deidara
Mizukage made into madara's puppet

This is without the akatsuki being after them, so i wonder what would have happened if capturing them was actually akatsuki's goal???
The hidden cloud village is lucky that none of the akatsuki members belong to it( this was the reason that the raikage was chosen as the head of the joint shinobi army btw, otherwise the tsuchikage would never have agreed). So much for the mighty kages.....

I appreciate that you are trying to find common ground and thank you for that, but i am very strongly opinionated on this one, sorry.

no i know what your trying to say! i honestly do and i completely disagree with you. i feel like your the one missing the fact that Bee only escaped through a severed limb that Sasuke cut. and this was after Bee was hit with Amaterasu. Bee was down for the count but because of Sasuke having to save Karin bringing being crushed, Bee was able to escape. By what other means would Bee be able to escape and live if Sasuke did not cut off the tentacle?!

Matrix was a cool movie but i dont believe your comparison matches very well.

yes i did say considered and im sticking to that because ocasionally there'll be that one guy whos a genius or a potential super bad guy. anyways i agree very much with your analogies with the akatsuki and yes that is one strong organization.

i just want to relist the Akatsuki vs Kages match up again:

Orochimaru killed Kazekage (Gaara's dad or dude after Gaara?)
Orochimaru i wouldnt say killed the 3rd but put up a great fight. the 3rd protected the village from Oro and used Dead Reaper Seal. whoever won this fight is very debatable and if you give Oro the win would you give Madara or the 9tails the win agaisnt Minato?
Sasori owned the 3rd Kazekage
Hanzo not a Kage but Leader of Rain owned by Pain.
Gaara beaten by Deidara
3rd tails Mizukage turned into Madara's play thing
i will add since you mentioned it Kabuto got the better hand of Tsunade.
also Sasuke killed Danzo who was labeled Kage at the time

remember though:

1st Hokage defeated both Kakuza and Madara
Minato also beat Madara unless you count him dying as losing
i would say 3rd Hokage also beat Oro unless you count him dying from Reaper Soul as losing. its debatable.
Tsuchikage and Deidara did not go all out when they fought but i say Tsuchikage got it.
Raikage beheaded Kisame/fake Zetsu who was already weaken and it was a double team by Bee sooo idk if that counts but its relevant so i listed it
i would also say Raikage won agaisnt Sasuke but thats also debatable and Mizukage and Tsuchikage beat Sasuke as well but debatable subjects on account he was weaken and escaped.

soo yes akatsuki have beaten, killed and caused the death of many Kages but Kages have defeated and foiled plans of akatsuki memebers as well. it sucks that no akatsuki memebers have been killed by any Kages though. also all the jinchurikis except 2 have been defeated, captured and killed. Bee escaped and Naruto have defeated and held his own against countless members. if you compare the jonchurikis facing akatsuki and Kages facing akatsuki i think the jinchurikis did worse.

you said though akatsuki wasnt after the Kages but i beg to differ. all those times Kage vs Akatsuki the Kages were attacked. 1st challenged by Madara. Minato defending his wife and child. 3rd was trapped by Oro and his sound ninjas and forced to fight in the prism remember? Gaara was targeted because he was jinchuriki. Oro need to kill Kazekage to impersonate him so he also was targeted. Nagato targeted Hanzo and not only that but his whole family. the Kages were targeted to be killed vs the jinchurikis targeted to be captured.

yes One of the reasons Raikage was chosen was ALSO that their were no cloud akatsuki. but that is not the only reason and the Main and Biggest Reason is because of his control over Bee (not saying control as in slave or puppet but Bee only listens to his older Bro).

lmaoo im am soo mad you tried to play the Kages like that. and like i said leave Tsunade alone!! shes a Sannin, (agreed not the strongest) granddaughter of the 1st. her reputation exceeds her as a top class Med Ninja. if it wasnt for Tsunade there would be no Medical Ninjas on the filed of battle! yes Kabuto got the upper hand on her but thats points for Kabuto on account hes gifted and talented. look at Kabuto now! need i say more? And no way shes the weakest Kage. i think Mizu is.. Tsuande could probably beat Raikage (lmfaooooo) lol lemme stop

and np appreciate you trying to find a common ground too and even though we disagree on the A vs B i valued your thoughts and opinion on it. you made some good points and im suprised you didnt try to bring up Samehada.

 

[kanesannin]

no i know what your trying to say! i honestly do and i completely disagree with you. i feel like your the one missing the fact that Bee only escaped through a severed limb that Sasuke cut. and this was after Bee was hit with Amaterasu. Bee was down for the count but because of Sasuke having to save Karin bringing being crushed, Bee was able to escape. By what other means would Bee be able to escape and live if Sasuke did not cut off the tentacle?!

Matrix was a cool movie but i dont believe your comparison matches very well.

yes i did say considered and im sticking to that because ocasionally there'll be that one guy whos a genius or a potential super bad guy. anyways i agree very much with your analogies with the akatsuki and yes that is one strong organization.

i just want to relist the Akatsuki vs Kages match up again:

Orochimaru killed Kazekage (Gaara's dad or dude after Gaara?)
Orochimaru i wouldnt say killed the 3rd but put up a great fight. the 3rd protected the village from Oro and used Dead Reaper Seal. whoever won this fight is very debatable and if you give Oro the win would you give Madara or the 9tails the win agaisnt Minato?
Sasori owned the 3rd Kazekage
Hanzo not a Kage but Leader of Rain owned by Pain.
Gaara beaten by Deidara
3rd tails Mizukage turned into Madara's play thing
i will add since you mentioned it Kabuto got the better hand of Tsunade.
also Sasuke killed Danzo who was labeled Kage at the time

remember though:

1st Hokage defeated both Kakuza and Madara
Minato also beat Madara unless you count him dying as losing
i would say 3rd Hokage also beat Oro unless you count him dying from Reaper Soul as losing. its debatable.
Tsuchikage and Deidara did not go all out when they fought but i say Tsuchikage got it.
Raikage beheaded Kisame/fake Zetsu who was already weaken and it was a double team by Bee sooo idk if that counts but its relevant so i listed it
i would also say Raikage won agaisnt Sasuke but thats also debatable and Mizukage and Tsuchikage beat Sasuke as well but debatable subjects on account he was weaken and escaped.

soo yes akatsuki have beaten, killed and caused the death of many Kages but Kages have defeated and foiled plans of akatsuki memebers as well. it sucks that no akatsuki memebers have been killed by any Kages though. also all the jinchurikis except 2 have been defeated, captured and killed. Bee escaped and Naruto have defeated and held his own against countless members. if you compare the jonchurikis facing akatsuki and Kages facing akatsuki i think the jinchurikis did worse.

you said though akatsuki wasnt after the Kages but i beg to differ. all those times Kage vs Akatsuki the Kages were attacked. 1st challenged by Madara. Minato defending his wife and child. 3rd was trapped by Oro and his sound ninjas and forced to fight in the prism remember? Gaara was targeted because he was jinchuriki. Oro need to kill Kazekage to impersonate him so he also was targeted. Nagato targeted Hanzo and not only that but his whole family. the Kages were targeted to be killed vs the jinchurikis targeted to be captured.

yes One of the reasons Raikage was chosen was ALSO that their were no cloud akatsuki. but that is not the only reason and the Main and Biggest Reason is because of his control over Bee (not saying control as in slave or puppet but Bee only listens to his older Bro).

lmaoo im am soo mad you tried to play the Kages like that. and like i said leave Tsunade alone!! shes a Sannin, (agreed not the strongest) granddaughter of the 1st. her reputation exceeds her as a top class Med Ninja. if it wasnt for Tsunade there would be no Medical Ninjas on the filed of battle! yes Kabuto got the upper hand on her but thats points for Kabuto on account hes gifted and talented. look at Kabuto now! need i say more? And no way shes the weakest Kage. i think Mizu is.. Tsuande could probably beat Raikage (lmfaooooo) lol lemme stop

and np appreciate you trying to find a common ground too and even though we disagree on the A vs B i valued your thoughts and opinion on it. you made some good points and im suprised you didnt try to bring up Samehada.

Yeah sure np, i appreciate you're views, they're much more reasonable than MANY others on this forum.

But i'm afraid i have to disagree with your way of thinking. When has there been, to date a single incidence in naruto where a kage was targeted by akatsuki and he got away? ( Note that sasuke killed danzou, against whom he bore a grudge, his own personal vendetta was NOT to kill the other kages). We already know that naruto and Bee are 2 examples of jinchuriki's that successfully escaped. Moreover, there is a larger plan to gather tailed beasts that madara has, and it is a systematic targeting by ALL of the incredibly tough akatsuki of the jinchurikis. I mean lets be realistic here, if pain( who reduced the entire leaf village to rubble in one jutsu) went up against the raikage or any other kage he would completely own them. The kages are lucky to have escaped systematic persecution by akatsuki or they'd all be dead.

You do realize that the whole purpose of gathering tailed beasts is to tap into their chakra? If the raikage had more than 8tails worth of chakra he should be targeted as well. Madara, who supposedly loses to the 1st to gain info on senju cells, would'nt he be interested in the raikage cells as well if they were that strong? Fact is, raikage is like gaara was at the start of naruto, seemingly very strong but by no means unbeatable.......while killerbee is sort of like jiraiya( jiraiya>gaara).

The raikage is a very dogmatic personality and people like that are never very strong.........its the super silent, serious type(sasuke, itachi) or the goof balls( naruto, bee, jiraiya) that are the toughest.
Don't know if you'll agree but hey, no harm in trying....

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Yeah sure np, i appreciate you're views, they're much more reasonable than MANY others on this forum.

But i'm afraid i have to disagree with your way of thinking. When has there been, to date a single incidence in naruto where a kage was targeted by akatsuki and he got away? ( Note that sasuke killed danzou, against whom he bore a grudge, his own personal vendetta was NOT to kill the other kages). We already know that naruto and Bee are 2 examples of jinchuriki's that successfully escaped. Moreover, there is a larger plan to gather tailed beasts that madara has, and it is a systematic targeting by ALL of the incredibly tough akatsuki of the jinchurikis. I mean lets be realistic here, if pain( who reduced the entire leaf village to rubble in one jutsu) went up against the raikage or any other kage he would completely own them. The kages are lucky to have escaped systematic persecution by akatsuki or they'd all be dead.

You do realize that the whole purpose of gathering tailed beasts is to tap into their chakra? If the raikage had more than 8tails worth of chakra he should be targeted as well. Madara, who supposedly loses to the 1st to gain info on senju cells, would'nt he be interested in the raikage cells as well if they were that strong? Fact is, raikage is like gaara was at the start of naruto, seemingly very strong but by no means unbeatable.......while killerbee is sort of like jiraiya( jiraiya>gaara).

The raikage is a very dogmatic personality and people like that are never very strong.........its the super silent, serious type(sasuke, itachi) or the goof balls( naruto, bee, jiraiya) that are the toughest.
Don't know if you'll agree but hey, no harm in trying....

thax man and same for you. your more reasonable than half the ppl on this site.

anyways...there has been many times Kages have been targeted and i even listed some of them in my last comment man.

"When has there been, to date a single incidence in naruto where a kage was targeted by akatsuki and he got away?"

well i think you kinda answered your own question.

" Madara, who supposedly loses to the 1st to gain info on senju cells"

idt i should have to elaborate on that.

and besides that i dont have much to say you are absolutely correct on everything you said.

the jinchurikis are targeted because of the tailed beast which are large amounts of chakra. the tailed beast put together form the Jubi or at one time formed together they were the Jubi. getting Raikage's chakra isnt going to revive the Jubi. and just because Raikage isnt specifically targeted by the most notorious and strongest band of criminals doesnt discredit him as being powerful. his strength is proven by being Kage and his fight with Sasuke.

Jiraiya vs Gaara lol thats argueable of who would win..

i rest my case now though as Raikage being stronger than Bee. i base that because thus far Raikage has shown dominance and superiority over Bee. chosen as shinobi leader because Bee only listens to him and "iron claw", Raikage showed he could fight against amaterasu where as Bee couldnt, Bee needing to escape the village and his bro instead of just leaving shows again Raikages authority and last Raikage able to defend agaisnt Bee's 8tails power. i will say however that i have a feeling in the near future i will be proven wrong. Bee is gunna have an epic fight with somebody and use Samehada to his advantage. i'll also say again that im suprised you never brought up Samehada becuase i dont think Raikage could possibly win with Bee using Samehada to eat away at Raikages Raiton Cloud and the rest of his Tailed Beast like chakra.

once again much respect to you for argueing this long and being reasonable and challenging lol +reps man

 

[kanesannin]

thax man and same for you. your more reasonable than half the ppl on this site.

anyways...there has been many times Kages have been targeted and i even listed some of them in my last comment man.

"When has there been, to date a single incidence in naruto where a kage was targeted by akatsuki and he got away?"

well i think you kinda answered your own question.

" Madara, who supposedly loses to the 1st to gain info on senju cells"

idt i should have to elaborate on that.

and besides that i dont have much to say you are absolutely correct on everything you said.

the jinchurikis are targeted because of the tailed beast which are large amounts of chakra. the tailed beast put together form the Jubi or at one time formed together they were the Jubi. getting Raikage's chakra isnt going to revive the Jubi. and just because Raikage isnt specifically targeted by the most notorious and strongest band of criminals doesnt discredit him as being powerful. his strength is proven by being Kage and his fight with Sasuke.

Jiraiya vs Gaara lol thats argueable of who would win..

i rest my case now though as Raikage being stronger than Bee. i base that because thus far Raikage has shown dominance and superiority over Bee. chosen as shinobi leader because Bee only listens to him and "iron claw", Raikage showed he could fight against amaterasu where as Bee couldnt, Bee needing to escape the village and his bro instead of just leaving shows again Raikages authority and last Raikage able to defend agaisnt Bee's 8tails power. i will say however that i have a feeling in the near future i will be proven wrong. Bee is gunna have an epic fight with somebody and use Samehada to his advantage. i'll also say again that im suprised you never brought up Samehada becuase i dont think Raikage could possibly win with Bee using Samehada to eat away at Raikages Raiton Cloud and the rest of his Tailed Beast like chakra.

once again much respect to you for argueing this long and being reasonable and challenging lol +reps man

Thank you for the positive reps, your opinions are appreciated. I suppose i should also rest my case now, by stating that killer bee wins. This opinion i hold is due to what i believe is his superior chakra because of the 8 tails, his complete control over his tailed beast and his proven ability to decieve in the heat of battle( how he escaped from sasuke, or rather how he decided to take a vacation). Sure, the raikage is probably one of the toughest members in the joint shinobi army, and will probably have some EPIC fights. However, i hold that his control over his brother is due to emotional reasons, not superiority of strength. Btw, i am just not too much of a fan of samehada, and personally feel that bee's own strengths are greater than any advantage that sword may give.
Well, peace.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Thank you for the positive reps, your opinions are appreciated. I suppose i should also rest my case now, by stating that killer bee wins. This opinion i hold is due to what i believe is his superior chakra because of the 8 tails, his complete control over his tailed beast and his proven ability to decieve in the heat of battle( how he escaped from sasuke, or rather how he decided to take a vacation). Sure, the raikage is probably one of the toughest members in the joint shinobi army, and will probably have some EPIC fights. However, i hold that his control over his brother is due to emotional reasons, not superiority of strength. Btw, i am just not too much of a fan of samehada, and personally feel that bee's own strengths are greater than any advantage that sword may give.
Well, peace.

hey i really hate to bring this back up and im not trying argue but just wanted to share something i saw. it Mitoi's background on the 8tails and here you see a younger Raikage going up agaisnt it. he's got his Raiga Cloud on and hes with the 3rd Raikage, i would guess the Raikage before Bee's brother and a special unit. Current Raikage is the one who cut the 8tails horn. i had forgotton about all of this lol.. read the 1st few pages and whats your thought on it?!

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[kanesannin]

hey i really hate to bring this back up and im not trying argue but just wanted to share something i saw. it Mitoi's background on the 8tails and here you see a younger Raikage going up agaisnt it. he's got his Raiga Cloud on and hes with the 3rd Raikage, i would guess the Raikage before Bee's brother and a special unit. Current Raikage is the one who cut the 8tails horn. i had forgotton about all of this lol.. read the 1st few pages and whats your thought on it?!

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Np man but i really don't want to get drawn back into another argument either, i'll just agree its a great chapter
.......nah, i'll probably give my point of view as well lol. Well, from the evidence presented, he does indeed appear to have severed that side horn, though not the one that killed the other ninja. But the 8 tails is wrapped in chains when he does that, and the very next page he gets sealed into that pot. Perhaps if the fight had dragged on without the sealing a conclusion would be more forthcoming. Besides the chakra of a tailed beast, as opposed to its physical self is supposed to be its real strength(my opinion anyways).........ok, i'll stop, Thanks for consulting me!

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Np man but i really don't want to get drawn back into another argument either, i'll just agree its a great chapter
.......nah, i'll probably give my point of view as well lol. Well, from the evidence presented, he does indeed appear to have severed that side horn, though not the one that killed the other ninja. But the 8 tails is wrapped in chains when he does that, and the very next page he gets sealed into that pot. Perhaps if the fight had dragged on without the sealing a conclusion would be more forthcoming. Besides the chakra of a tailed beast, as opposed to its physical self is supposed to be its real strength(my opinion anyways).........ok, i'll stop, Thanks for consulting me!

no the horn he chopped was the one 8tails used to kill Motoi's dad.. if you continue you will see blood on the tip and Motoi's dad dead near it. it doesnt make sense to chop the horn that doesnt have the body pierced on it lol

but yea just wanted to point that out.. no arguements here..

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

what you guys/girls chatin bout?

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

what you guys/girls chatin bout?

this is your thread and probably the first comment you made since your 1st one on the 1st page.. u missed a long discussion lol

 

[Alrokako]

well Bee is a host who is the best known host who has complete control over his tailed beast like no other host has...BUT.. Raikage is the only one who can keep him in line..

remember when Bee fought Sasuke and went Beast Mode the cloud ninjas who were witnessing it said "Lord Bee hasnt went in Bijuu Mode since his fight with Lord Raikage." and when Bee tricked Sasuke he used that as an oppurtunity to escaped the cloud. he was happy because he got away from his brother lol. that shows that his brother keeps him in check and in line.. Bee is as rambunctious as Naruto.

thats only put on there as to be seen as a joke if killerbee really wanted to fight A he would an they are like brothers so of course he would fear his big brother

 

[Alrokako]

if they were to fight A probably would have the advantage up until killerbee goes to his chakra forms or those that like naruto in his 4 tailed form A has alot of speed and strength but he cant take on a jinchuurinki for to long actually killerbee wouldnt even have to go all the way 8 to fight A

 

[Lord Snow]

I think killer bee is stronger.

 

[OWanime]

Bee has a bijuu so therefore more stamina (8tails=3rd so he can last as long as 4th also)
lariat, kenjutsu-bee wins taijutsu- they're equals
ninjutsu-tbb ftw but raikage's speed could dodge it possibly genjutsu-bee's practically immune
BEE wins if he's determined

 

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[Rariatto]

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