Madara or Kabuto
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black uchiha
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I would say madara cause he survived 600 BILLION PAPER TAGS!!!! who else u know could do something like dat (outside of da 4th)...madara hands down and we don't know what kabato's new move is so we can't count it
Whiteknight
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That's a great question. In a one-on-one fight, I think the winner is Madara. With his sharingan, his speed, his space/time jutsus and now his Rinnegan, he is probably unbeatable by Kabuto alone.
Of course, Kabuto isn't alone. He's done his preparations.
Who wins in a fight, Madara or Kabuto with Edo Tensei versions of Itachi and Nagato? Now, Kabuto has MS and Rinnegan on his side too, plus Itachi and Nagato are immortal and cannot be defeated so long as Kabuto does not release the tech. In this case, I think Kabuto can definitely win.
Who wins in a fight, Madara or Kabuto with Edo Tensei puppets for all previous Akatsuki members, most previous jinchuuriki, many previous Kage, Kimimaro, etc. In this fight, I don't think Madara even gets close. Even if he uses his space/time jutsus to teleport some of those bodies away, he's still way outnumbered and out matched.
Plus, Kabuto has some other new hidden jutsu that we don't even know about that Kabuto thinks will make himself invincible against Madara. That only changes things in Kabuto's favor.
Of course, we haven't really seen either of these two fight all-out. We don't know what powers Madara has now with his new Rinnegan eye. We've seen Madara use his space/time jutsu and Izanagi, but we haven't seen him use any MS techs so he might not have those. We also don't know what Kabuto's backup jutsu is. I guess Kabuto is the likely winner in a fight, but we really don't know all the details.
Spartan117
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to be honest with you.. .We haven't seen both of these fighters go all out till then its hard to tell just like someone previously said. With all that experience in his hands if tobi is who he says he is... The might have an edge over kabuto. To have said what he said Kabuto last manga makes me wonder lol.
Orochimaru the Snake
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Kabuto sicks his 20 or so edo tensei zombies on him while keeping a few near him for protection
then Madara can't teleport because he has to be solid to do that and the zombies will rip him apeart
he can't warp the zombies away because he has to be solid to do that and the zombies will rip him apeart
he can't tunal under ground to get to Kabuto because Kakazu will just or Nagato will just use an earth jutsu and screw it up if he does some how get to Kabuto the snake will bite him and the edo tensei zombies will rip him apeart
if he just runs at Kabuto while reamaining untangable Kabuto can just run away him self while the zombies keep attacking Madara
then Madara can't teleport because he has to be solid to do that and the zombies will rip him apeart
he can't warp the zombies away because he has to be solid to do that and the zombies will rip him apeart
he can't tunal under ground to get to Kabuto because Kakazu will just or Nagato will just use an earth jutsu and screw it up if he does some how get to Kabuto the snake will bite him and the edo tensei zombies will rip him apeart
if he just runs at Kabuto while reamaining untangable Kabuto can just run away him self while the zombies keep attacking Madara
cybagangsta
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MasqueradeNX
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eyesofthekyuubi44
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At the moment, Kabuto. We haven't seen Madara in action with the Rinnegan.
Kabuto has access to the techniques of the Sharingan through Itachi, Rinnegan through Nagato, Puppets through Chiyo, all the Akatsuki members other than Kisame, and all sorts of other powerful shinobi.
Madara needs more than what he's shown.
I really don't understand why people put an unknown force against someone. Madara is still highly unknown.
Kabuto has access to the techniques of the Sharingan through Itachi, Rinnegan through Nagato, Puppets through Chiyo, all the Akatsuki members other than Kisame, and all sorts of other powerful shinobi.
Madara needs more than what he's shown.
I really don't understand why people put an unknown force against someone. Madara is still highly unknown.
Orochimaru the Snake
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Madara was the strongest Uchiha not anymore
Madara is the one who fought the 1st and lost same with Kakuzu
Madara is the one who killed the uchiha with Itachi they killed people in their sleep and Itachi did most of the work
Madara is the one who controled the Nine tails and gotten his ass handed to him by 4th before he could do anything with it
Kabuto has every Ninja some more powerful then Konan
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I think madara would win because dude he is a legendary ninja, but you must also put into consederation that he is so old. But, he was able to hold his own against the 4th hokage, control the 9 tailed fox, and he has the rinnegan. So im putting my money on madara
I think madara would win because dude he is a legendary ninja, but you must also put into consederation that he is so old. But, he was able to hold his own against the 4th hokage, control the 9 tailed fox, and he has the rinnegan. So im putting my money on madara
naruto sennin
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who ever tobi is he doesn't have ems, not even mangekyou sharingan. he has never used it . he prolly did all those things with sasuke so sasgaaay could get ems and he can steal it. granted he has a very powerful sharingan but not ms or ems.
silenceofthelambs
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And Madara will simply use Soul Removal to defeat each and every Edo Tensei summon. But what I've found interesting is, if Kabuto is really this powerful as individuals make him out to be, why didn't he just kill Madara when he had numerous oppurtunities to do so? Instead of telling him how to stop Edo Tensei, Kabuto could have refused and turned his undead army (35 Edo Tensei summons, even the number itself appears formidable) against Madara. But he didn't do it. Instead, he blanched at the thought of fighting the Uchiha clan's most legendary warrior, in possession of the Rinnegan, the most revered doujutsu out of all those in existence.
Clearly, there is no measure of trust between Kabuto and Madara, so if Kabuto claims to be invincible, why doesn't he act on his words, and dispose of a problem (Madara)? Because if he attempts to do so, here's what he'll be up against.
- Extremely Coercive Sharingan (complete brainwashing of Yagura, Tsuchikage's fear of it)
- Complete Izanagi (at least five, or ten, minutes at a time; unconfirmed if he can control the length of time the illusion remains in play)
- Space-Time Ninjutsu (most advanced in the Naruto world) and Phasing Ability (five minutes)
- Rinnegan (allows user to learn and perform every technique in existence)
- Fire (assumed), Earth, Wind (assumed), Lightning (assumed), Water (assumed), Yin, Yang, Yin-Yang Release; all of the Six Paths of Pains' powers (god realm, animal ream, hungry ghost realm, human realm, demon realm, outer path, which affords Rinne Tensei)
Clearly, it's all a debate at this point, but in my opinion Kabuto is incapable of defeating such a force yet. Of course, there will be those who may disagree with me, but that's my interpretation of this "alliance." Of course, it is subject to change.
Orochimaru the Snake
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we don't know if he has all the six paths powers and he can't just soul rip them all he has to become solid to do that and when he does the others will rip him apart he has to be solid to use any powers
silenceofthelambs
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We haven't been given a confirmation as to whether Madara can use the powers of the six paths of Pain, but it's implied. If Madara can use the human realm's Soul Removal technique, then what's stopping him from using all the other paths' abilities?
You do make a legitimate point that Madara has to solidify to attack, but keep in mind that while he uses Soul Removal to rip the souls of the summoned one by one, he can just keep using Shinra Tensei to deflect any and all attacks (and during the five second interval he can use hungry ghost realm's absorption technique to "swallow" any lethal attack). It's unknown whether Kabuto knows about the five second weakness of Shinra Tensei, but the other paths can compensate for that short period of time, one of which I have already stated.
But this isn't to take away from Kabuto or his enormous power. If Madara does win, he will undoubtedly use everything in his arsenal to do so, just like Kabuto, if he would be the victor in the end. If they do end up fighting each other, it'll certainly be a battle to see. One of the best in the series, if they both go all-out.
Madara's still an old man and main villain and will probably be killed. Maybe Kabuto will survive and become the rise of the next generation of villains in the future? Either way I feel like Kabuto will outlive Madara. He seems to know his limits and plan ahead and would probably have an escape route planned if things got bad.
He'd probably have to lose his edo skill somehow though cuz it's pretty much overpowered ;s
He'd probably have to lose his edo skill somehow though cuz it's pretty much overpowered ;s
that may be tru about the sasuke part (not saaasssgay)....
i dont put it past madara to do that...
im even willing to say he has been tryin to unlock the other sharringans...
and he couldnt for w/e technical reason.. so sasuke is da closes thing to MS & EMS,,,
As far as display of showin techniques and power he is unkown....
but hes not highly unknown to detecting othas skill and preparin for battle...
everybody he has battled has lost tho & didnt seem like he was too serious....
we jus gone have to see really... but i can bet money after madara seen kabuto coffin..
he rearranged plans and is prepared for that... kabuto has 1 more up his sleeve...
but hes still not too sure of that... you have to look at it from kabutos point...
he could attack and cause problems but hes not sure if he can win in this state....
ultimately since hes showed 1 of his trump cards already... But since madara has the RIN...
He knows the situation is even more crucial... So kabuto has doubts...
We know madara is a mastermind plus at this point sasuke is on his side...
im bout willing to bet sasuke goes up against kabuto b4 madara... he hats kabuto...
he will call him a oro flunky... its comin i just know it is...
but im done im pressed for talkin.. lol..
