[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 516 Discussion and 517 Predictions

[danivass]

But I'm pretty sure the moon is what everyone thinks it is, but with the jubi's body at its core. Just like what nagato did to the kyubi, but bigger.

My thoughts exactly

statue=juubi body....I doubt that it's the case. from what I recall, this statue was summoned by nagato when he screwed hanzo's fighters taking their souls. we remember that so6p separated the chakra from the body of the juubi. so if nagato would've summoned juubi's body, it would've been a mere inert body with no chakra because it needs the tailed beasts to "work"(nagato didn't had them). and from what we saw, that thing that nagato summoned was active. if you combine this facts---->the statue isn't juubi's body. cheers!!

Yes, and I explained in my post that when Gedo mazo's rods connected to Nagato (who has an extremely high amont of unusually powerful chakra) only then did it actually do something besides moving a little bit and stretching. And after it was done with the jutsu that ripped the souls of everyone it touched Nagato was panting, as far as I remember, and he was visibly tired. My theory is that the rods that pierced Nagato in the back were chakra conductors (actually I'm sure they are as he used them to transmit chakra to the six bodies he used to fight instead of him) that supplied the massive statue with his chakra so it could work. And when it was used for the sealing of the bijuu it has never moved and has never been connected to Nagato.

When I linked izanagi and the jubi, I meant the following:
1. The jubi's body is far from earth.
2. the rinnegan has no relation to the jubi (they're completely independent)
3. nagato's power is tiny compared to that of the so6p
4. from 2 & 3, nagato cannot summon the jubi from that far
5. madara may need jubi's body to recreate the ten-tailed beast
6. from 1, 4, 5, madara has to remake the jubi's body from scratch.
7. madara should probably use izanagi to do 6, as there's no other similar technique

I didn't mean that the jubi was initially created by izanagi. Actually, I'm sure it wasn't.

Now for the whole gedo mazo vs jubi discussion, I can't agree with most of the arguments.

I'm a bit reluctant to pursue it because I believe that the jubi is not gedo mazo just as much as I believe that tobi is madara.

Gedo mazo:
1. an independent summon. Has to be, since the rinnegan is independent from all previous things. The rinnegan was not born as a response to the jubi.
2. nagato should probably be aware of what he summons, especially big things. Therefore, he should know what the BIG gedo mazo was. If it were the jubi, he'd probably call it that way. A beast does not name itself, so the jubi probably doesn't have more than the name we all know.
It's like trying summon a toad and you get the dead demon instead.
3. Tails don't just fall off. It's the great JUBI! I'm sure it's more resilient than that. And gedo mazo does not have tails.
4. Gedo Mazo is summoned by the outer path, not the animal path. So it's not like transporting it from a place (moon) to another. And we have to admit that it was inside the moon in the first place. again: nagato's powers are nothing of that scale, we all saw that when he tried to contain the kyubi.
5. I don't believe that nagato put 9 eyes on top of a bandage that covers the jubi's big eye.
6. The stubs that appear on gedo mazo and those that may be present on the jubi's body may be simple coincidences... just like so many other things in the manga. They're not even outlined. How could we tell what those are?

... but I'll admit they look a bit similar. Still, they have their differences. And quite major ones.

Let me first bring up something which was stated in the manga. Summoning techniques are techniques that transport an animal you have a contract with, a weapon (Ten-Ten's scrolls, even though it is not directly stated in the manga) or other objects (I guess there should be at least the knowledge where that object you want to summon is). Nagato has never summoned a living creature. If you look at the summons from his animal path they all have piercings and rinnegan eyes which heavily implies that they are also reanimated bodies like the six paths Nagato used. So he actually shows only capabilities to summon dead bodies that are to be considered as objects and the Gedo mazo. My second argument to this is that nobody has shown the ability to summon 2 types of animals at one given time (Sasuke's new hawk summon does not count as I would say he can not summon snakes now).

Now let me ask you how can you say that the rinnegan has absolutely NO sonnection to the Juubi? Just look at its eye pattern:

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I admit it is not a match but there is a lot of similarity. Even if this argument is too naive, the following one won't be. Let's go back to when Nagato as a child witnessed the death of his parents. He was enraged and his sadness caused the rinnegan to overpower his consciousness and he killed the two leaf shinobi. Later on when Yahiko was attacked by some stranger when they were with Jiraiya the same thing happened. He had NO idea what he was doing. So by this logic when Yahiko died the rinnegan could have done the same thing and decided the best course of action against this vast an opposing force would be to summon the mighty body of the ten-tails from the moon and fuel it with Nagato's chakra so that it (the rinnegan) survives. And this would be a good place to remind you Nagato has the same power as the animal path so it does not matter if he summoned it himself or the animal path did that (though I would think the animal path would be unable to do it). And let me add that this paragraph covers the two scenarios when a) the rinnegan is formed DUE to the juubi sealed inside of the sage; b) the rinnegan being in the sage's possession before his fight, as in the latter case that would perfectly explain why Nagato's rinnegan performed techniques Nagato himself did not know (even if the rinnegan is in Nagato due to genetical/reincarnatical reasons or it is the actual rinnegan of the SoSP and even if Madara made it himself by eye transplantations the eyes he used surely had connections with the sage himself and it is genetical again).


As for Nagato's power being tiny let me just tell you that the sage made the moon after he became the jinchuuriki of the Juubi. So he probably had extra help due to that fact. And summoning an object from such a great distance is in absolutely NO way as hard as actually creating the moon and getting it into orbit. Yes, one would need a VERY high amount of chakra to do it. But it will not be nearly half of what it would take to do the former.


You say you don't believe Nagato put the 9 eyes on the bandage?

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This is how the Gedo mazo looked when Nagato first summoned it. If he didn't put those eyes on the bandage did they grow by themselves? Those eyes are surely indicators of how many beasts are in the statue as a pupil forms in one of them as a tailed beast is sealed in.

Tails do not fall off, yes, but let me give you a real life example - chemotherapy weakens people and their hair starts to fall off. The sealing of the Juubi inside the sage left its body ultimately weakened as it had no energy left. That is how I would explain the missing tails .

And let me just remind you that Nagato's body was weak, he had trashed Konoha utterly, he had used elaborate techniques for the questioning of the villagers (like the king of hell summoning) he had reanimated some of his bodies with it, he used a large-scale shinra-tensei and that was all indirectly by transmitting his chakra over a good distance of a few kilometres. I would say when he was younger he should have been around his prime and that would probably enable him to summon the ten-tails from the core of the moon.

I am in no way trying to prove my point of view as superior to anyone's, if you just don't agree I will discontinue my attempts to share my thoughts about this matter with everyone else.

 

[Alkad]

Let me first bring up something which was stated in the manga. Summoning techniques are techniques that transport an animal you have a contract with, a weapon (Ten-Ten's scrolls, even though it is not directly stated in the manga) or other objects (I guess there should be at least the knowledge where that object you want to summon is). Nagato has never summoned a living creature. If you look at the summons from his animal path they all have piercings and rinnegan eyes which heavily implies that they are also reanimated bodies like the six paths Nagato used. So he actually shows only capabilities to summon dead bodies that are to be considered as objects and the Gedo mazo. My second argument to this is that nobody has shown the ability to summon 2 types of animals at one given time (Sasuke's new hawk summon does not count as I would say he can not summon snakes now).

Gedo Mazo is from the Outer Path, not Animal Path. I'm simply quoting wikia, so it might not be too reliable info. But if that's the case, animal path's usual summons are completely different techniques from gedo mazo. Gedo Mazo is not relocation, if that info is correct.

Now let me ask you how can you say that the rinnegan has absolutely NO sonnection to the Juubi? Just look at its eye pattern:

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I admit it is not a match but there is a lot of similarity.

Then did the sharingan's form come from the sosp's necklace? there are many similarities like those. I'll continue after:

Even if this argument is too naive, the following one won't be. Let's go back to when Nagato as a child witnessed the death of his parents. He was enraged and his sadness caused the rinnegan to overpower his consciousness and he killed the two leaf shinobi. Later on when Yahiko was attacked by some stranger when they were with Jiraiya the same thing happened. He had NO idea what he was doing. So by this logic when Yahiko died the rinnegan could have done the same thing and decided the best course of action against this vast an opposing force would be to summon the mighty body of the ten-tails from the moon and fuel it with Nagato's chakra so that it (the rinnegan) survives. And this would be a good place to remind you Nagato has the same power as the animal path so it does not matter if he summoned it himself or the animal path did that (though I would think the animal path would be unable to do it). And let me add that this paragraph covers the two scenarios when a) the rinnegan is formed DUE to the juubi sealed inside of the sage; b) the rinnegan being in the sage's possession before his fight, as in the latter case that would perfectly explain why Nagato's rinnegan performed techniques Nagato himself did not know (even if the rinnegan is in Nagato due to genetical/reincarnatical reasons or it is the actual rinnegan of the SoSP and even if Madara made it himself by eye transplantations the eyes he used surely had connections with the sage himself and it is genetical again).

I am sure that (b) the sosp had the rinnegan before defeating the jubi. How could he defeat it otherwise? You can write manga to include that bit of info, but I think it's unlikely that anyone could have defeated AND sealed the jubi. Not to mention that he kept it under control (maybe he didn't control it, but that's a different thing). He kept it under control because the legend says that he rid the world of the jubi. So it hadn't been seen ever since.

I also think that nagato at least read about summoning gedo mazo somewhere. The technique is too complex to just guess it, or instinctively use it. How would konan know about it otherwise? So if he read about gedo mazo somewhere, and there's only a language in the whole ninja world, why would the jubi have two names? Look at it objectively, from the perspective of the manga, and then tell me if you want. I'll be hard to convince on that one.

As for Nagato's power being tiny let me just tell you that the sage made the moon after he became the jinchuuriki of the Juubi. So he probably had extra help due to that fact. And summoning an object from such a great distance is in absolutely NO way as hard as actually creating the moon and getting it into orbit. Yes, one would need a VERY high amount of chakra to do it. But it will not be nearly half of what it would take to do the former.

I'll admit that I overlooked those facts

You say you don't believe Nagato put the 9 eyes on the bandage?

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This is how the Gedo mazo looked when Nagato first summoned it. If he didn't put those eyes on the bandage did they grow by themselves? Those eyes are surely indicators of how many beasts are in the statue as a pupil forms in one of them as a tailed beast is sealed in.

Either:
a) the image is accurate, even though it's from the anime. Then the gedo mazo moved quite a bit before releasing those rods on its own and then stabbing nagato with them. Is it dead?

There is a bandage, which probably hides those nine eyes - or anything. I don't know what there is under the band at that moment. But I can't imagine someone implanting eyes to a bandage, and doing magic to link them to how many tailed beasts are inside it. It's either the eyes belong to the statue or the eyes are mere monitors to the contents of the jubi. second is an overkill, if you ask me

b) the image is inaccurate, since it is not from the manga. not much to add here. dead-end

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It's screaming => not dead

Tails do not fall off, yes, but let me give you a real life example - chemotherapy weakens people and their hair starts to fall off. The sealing of the Juubi inside the sage left its body ultimately weakened as it had no energy left. That is how I would explain the missing tails .

people's hair is not the same as the tails of the JUBI

did the kyubi lose its tails? or come even close to that? the jubi was stronger than that.

And let me just remind you that Nagato's body was weak, he had trashed Konoha utterly, he had used elaborate techniques for the questioning of the villagers (like the king of hell summoning) he had reanimated some of his bodies with it, he used a large-scale shinra-tensei and that was all indirectly by transmitting his chakra over a good distance of a few kilometres. I would say when he was younger he should have been around his prime and that would probably enable him to summon the ten-tails from the core of the moon.

only marginally stronger. the outer path does not age, or it didn't seem to do that. we don't even know what the outer path is. people's chakra wasn't shown to decrease much with age. the third hokage was VERY old compared to nagato anyway.

I am in no way trying to prove my point of view as superior to anyone's, if you just don't agree I will discontinue my attempts to share my thoughts about this matter with everyone else.

No, go on if you find good counterarguments to mine.

 

[freddie12]

makes no sense...
madara is darn close to fight naruto, but he needs to have 5 of 6 paths and be looking for nr 6, which is in naruto. This messes up the story. By the way, Anybody have any Ideas what paths 4 and 5 are?

 

[danivass]

I am sure that (b) the sosp had the rinnegan before defeating the jubi. How could he defeat it otherwise? You can write manga to include that bit of info, but I think it's unlikely that anyone could have defeated AND sealed the jubi. Not to mention that he kept it under control (maybe he didn't control it, but that's a different thing). He kept it under control because the legend says that he rid the world of the jubi. So it hadn't been seen ever since.

I doubt he actually defeated it, he would have probably changed the whole landscape of the area he was in and that has not been noted. My theory is he overpowered it for just long enough to seal it in him, after all due to his belief I would say he refrained from endangering other people even if he could bring them back to life later on. But this is irrelevant to our current discussion.

I also think that nagato at least read about summoning gedo mazo somewhere. The technique is too complex to just guess it, or instinctively use it. How would konan know about it otherwise? So if he read about gedo mazo somewhere, and there's only a language in the whole ninja world, why would the jubi have two names? Look at it objectively, from the perspective of the manga, and then tell me if you want. I'll be hard to convince on that one.

Again, I will say that neither Hanzo nor any of the elite root and ame shinobi (I would accent on the root shinobi being from the leaf which is also home to the Uchiha) had a clue what Gedo Mazo is. How can an orphan boy have found such a secret place to read about such a complex technique when people from famous clans did not (not necessarily saying that any Uchiha were there and had to know about it though). Where did the information about that technique come from and who used it? As far as evidence so far states nobody, or maybe someone used it and killed all who saw it but then dies himself due to the strain from using it. But when the rinnegan comes into play, after it (the rinnegan) has been used by the sage to seal the 10 tails and create the moon with the Juubi body inside I would say that by the same principle the rinnegan saves the wielder at extreme situations with techniques he does not know, it would know about the Juubi body.

Either:
a) the image is accurate, even though it's from the anime. Then the gedo mazo moved quite a bit before releasing those rods on its own and then stabbing nagato with them. Is it dead?

There is a bandage, which probably hides those nine eyes - or anything. I don't know what there is under the band at that moment. But I can't imagine someone implanting eyes to a bandage, and doing magic to link them to how many tailed beasts are inside it. It's either the eyes belong to the statue or the eyes are mere monitors to the contents of the jubi. second is an overkill, if you ask me

Edit: I just found

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It's screaming => not dead

As you saw in the manga page the image is accurate. And you can clearly see the bandage is under the eyes in present time drawings of the Gedo mazo. I would not say they are real eyes though, only doton or w/e artificial eyes. Well, it does look cool and gives info, e.g. how many beasts were already sealed by the beginning of shippuuden. So I guess that is why the eyes are there.
And yes, it is screaming. I cannot explain that. Perhaps there is a remnant of the 10 tails' chakra inside the body. Or it has regenerated a little chakra but the 10 tails' mind that would utilize it in jutsu was gone already (sealed in the sage).

people's hair is not the same as the tails of the JUBI

did the kyubi lose its tails? or come even close to that? the jubi was stronger than that.

The Kuuybi is a portion of the Juubi's chakra, but what we have seen so far is that even after it being sealed and extracted it has a body of its own. That body has not been shown to be completely drained from chakra (even when Naruto overpowered it in his mind it had power left in it). And, after all, that body is the sage's creation, while the ten tails' body was not so I would say it is normal for them to be different in such a manner.

only marginally stronger. the outer path does not age, or it didn't seem to do that. we don't even know what the outer path is. people's chakra wasn't shown to decrease much with age. the third hokage was VERY old compared to nagato anyway.

No, go on if you find good counterarguments to mine.

Well, if you are referring to Nagato as the outer path, he has aged. But that is not important, as his body was weak. Why? Because of the chakra rods from Gedo mazo. He needed a robotised transport to move, he could not do so on his own.


I am too lazy to think of more proof for the moment xd

 

[Alkad]

Again, I will say that neither Hanzo nor any of the elite root and ame shinobi (I would accent on the root shinobi being from the leaf which is also home to the Uchiha) had a clue what Gedo Mazo is. How can an orphan boy have found such a secret place to read about such a complex technique when people from famous clans did not (not necessarily saying that any Uchiha were there and had to know about it though). Where did the information about that technique come from and who used it? As far as evidence so far states nobody, or maybe someone used it and killed all who saw it but then dies himself due to the strain from using it. But when the rinnegan comes into play, after it (the rinnegan) has been used by the sage to seal the 10 tails and create the moon with the Juubi body inside I would say that by the same principle the rinnegan saves the wielder at extreme situations with techniques he does not know, it would know about the Juubi body.

he was not a mere orphan at that time. He had the rinnegan, so he had access to info nobody else has. Especially that mysterious tablet. But it's not the only possibility. Infiltrating konoha might have been a problem anyway. But there are ways for him to know far more than anyone else. He could have discovered it on his own, like any technique.

As you saw in the manga page the image is accurate. And you can clearly see the bandage is under the eyes in present time drawings of the Gedo mazo. I would not say they are real eyes though, only doton or w/e artificial eyes. Well, it does look cool and gives info, e.g. how many beasts were already sealed by the beginning of shippuuden. So I guess that is why the eyes are there.The Kuuybi is a portion of the Juubi's chakra, but what we have seen so far is that even after it being sealed and extracted it has a body of its own. That body has not been shown to be completely drained from chakra (even when Naruto overpowered it in his mind it had power left in it). And, after all, that body is the sage's creation, while the ten tails' body was not so I would say it is normal for them to be different in such a manner.

Well, if you are referring to Nagato as the outer path, he has aged. But that is not important, as his body was weak. Why? Because of the chakra rods from Gedo mazo. He needed a robotised transport to move, he could not do so on his own.

I don't think nagato had that much power. To animate the jubi? And why would the jubi drop chakra rods in order to be controlled?

I am too lazy to think of more proof for the moment xd

Me too, as you probably noticed
around half of this page is made up of our posts xd

 

[nagato2]

he was not a mere orphan at that time. He had the rinnegan, so he had access to info nobody else has. Especially that mysterious tablet. But it's not the only possibility. Infiltrating konoha might have been a problem anyway. But there are ways for him to know far more than anyone else. He could have discovered it on his own, like any technique.



I don't think nagato had that much power. To animate the jubi? And why would the jubi drop chakra rods in order to be controlled?



Me too, as you probably noticed
around half of this page is made up of our posts xd

idont think nagato had that much power either thats probaly why he ended up busted up.and those chakra rods were possibly only to give the jubi power, but we will never know for sure until kishi reveals the truth:|

 

[Scorps]

Sorry but I agree with everyone who says that the Gedo Mezo summoning is in fact the body of the jubi. But people are confusing things.

1st it's the body of the jubii, not the jubii itself. And some of you are assuming that it is the jubii itself. It's a shell that can be filled with any chakra. In this case, when nagato summoned it, imediatly it fueled him with some chakra. That's why it screamed and moved. Then it conected to nagato and it harvested some of his chakra (almost all) in other to stay active.

2nd Tails in the tailed beasts have a conection with chakra. the one tail is weaker than the two tails, etc etc. And that can even be seen with naruto's fox cloak. The more he draws on it, the more tails appear. So, if you take all the chakra out of a tailed beast's body, certainly something will happen to the tails.

3rd how can you say that gedo meso isn't the jubis body? Why? the eyes? Well, have any of you thought that to separate the ten tails into 9 beasts, the SO6P had to create 9 personalities? 9 animals? the 9 eyes represent that separation. When the 9 beasts are inside the gedo mezo, the eyes will join again and form only one. I don't get why this is so hard to imagine. It seems...logical.

 

[Alkad]

Sorry but I agree with everyone who says that the Gedo Mezo summoning is in fact the body of the jubi. But people are confusing things.

1st it's the body of the jubii, not the jubii itself. And some of you are assuming that it is the jubii itself. It's a shell that can be filled with any chakra. In this case, when nagato summoned it, imediatly it fueled him with some chakra. That's why it screamed and moved. Then it conected to nagato and it harvested some of his chakra (almost all) in other to stay active.

2nd Tails in the tailed beasts have a conection with chakra. the one tail is weaker than the two tails, etc etc. And that can even be seen with naruto's fox cloak. The more he draws on it, the more tails appear. So, if you take all the chakra out of a tailed beast's body, certainly something will happen to the tails.

3rd how can you say that gedo meso isn't the jubis body? Why? the eyes? Well, have any of you thought that to separate the ten tails into 9 beasts, the SO6P had to create 9 personalities? 9 animals? the 9 eyes represent that separation. When the 9 beasts are inside the gedo mezo, the eyes will join again and form only one. I don't get why this is so hard to imagine. It seems...logical.

1. It started

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before nagato was connected

2. The kyubi

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3. it obviously hasn't been shown/suggested in the manga. If it is true, then there should be clear explanation in the future. Most of us aren't happy with the idea.
It's just like the case of Tobi before he said that he was Madara, except that I think it's false. You need proof that gedo mazo = jubi, not the other way around.

I've already given

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why that shouldn't be the case.

More reasons:

Their shapes: if you look closely enough, you'll see major differences:

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1. the tails of the jubi start out as thin, and then thicken. It's the exact opposite with the stumps on the gedo mazo, if they are what remained of the jubi's tails.
2. the silhouettes: jubi is thin, has thin arms and thin legs. Why would the jubi get fatter after it's been drained of all the energy and stored in the moon? Also, Gedo mazo has all those stubs that... just look at them
3. gedo mazo has 9 eyes, we've been arguing about this so it doesn't matter

4. Why would gedo mazo be handcuffed (& fettered)? so that it wouldn't run away? I think the jubi's body is meant to be lifeless.

5. Would gedo mazo be called a statue if it were a previous living being?

Another one:
gedo mazo came from underground. The jubi would come from the moon, skies etc. or just appear on the surface of the earth. Unless nagato had summoned the jubi before, but he wouldn't. He was a peaceful fellow back then. Why would he need the jubi?

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[nagato2]

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hey you know i think the edo tensai will die,
maybe naruto will come, and with his life giving chakra make them come back to life for real and then they will be able to die

 

[Alkad]

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hey you know i think the edo tensai will die,
maybe naruto will come, and with his life giving chakra make them come back to life for real and then they will be able to die

Wow, I actually thought about that a chapter ago. :hug: But it'll probably not happen. It would make things too easy for the alliance, and bringing everyone (esp the good ones) back to life is too fairy tale-ish.

poor konan and jiraiya.. they wouldn't come back during the war. Or the shinobi could bring ANYONE back to life as long as they find sacrifices and someone to learn edo tensei. that's too much for a manga.

 

[Chief Toad]

I do have to kind of agree with Nagato2 a little. I definately think that Naruto's Chakra emitting such large amounts of life force will have a serious effect once he hits the battle field but I also have to agree with Alkad as well. I don't think it will literally bring those resurrected through edo tensei back to life but hopefully it will allow them to control their own mind and bodies or something and all of this crazy sh*t that Kabuto and Madara's been pulling will come back to bite them in the ass!!!

 

[nagato2]

maybe naruto will develop a seal that reverses the life giving chakras effects that returns the soul to the netherlands. hey maybe kabuto is saving jiraiya for somthing special

 

[Chief Toad]

Those predictions sound a bit closer to Kishi's style but I still don't think something like that will end up happening for quite a while. There are soooooooooo many awsome battles that are about to go down. I also think that a lot of them are as obvious as we all think but just like always Naruto will join in just in time to save the day.

I want to see if he's going to somehow have the Flying Thunder God Tech since he's all powered up. Or mabe use a Super Giant Rasen Shuriken on top of 25,000 white Zetzus' faces!!!

 

[nagato2]

since naruto is able to manipulate the life in a totem pole ithink naruto will be able to manipulat life in a human,maybe he will be able to draw the life out of things that have a weak life force.and also manipulate things that have life energy.as we already know some of younger sons offspring can manipulate yang energy like hashirama.

i hope naruto will be able to revive the recently dead to.

 

[Hyperion]

Good Chapter.
Seems people are still hysterical with whacked out theories...


I want to see what Kirabi means about the training. I also want to see Sasuke's EMS pattern.

I predict a flashback arc for Anko!

 

[jabznaruto]

...go ahead alkad, i really think your clarifications are closer to the topics.
i will try to support you through storylines' possible and credible imaginative explanations.

some will really get confusing opinions...

i will back you up...and perhaps my friend snake oro as well.

way to go alkad...will be behind you to the best i can.
will kinda be busy these coming days.

til next alkad

 

[Alkad]

...go ahead alkad, i really think your clarifications are closer to the topics.
i will try to support you through storylines' possible and credible imaginative explanations.

some will really get confusing opinions...

i will back you up...and perhaps my friend snake oro as well.

way to go alkad...will be behind you to the best i can.
will kinda be busy these coming days.

til next alkad

Thanks mate :hug:

 

[SageModeSharingan]

I personally don't think the gedo maza is the juubi but I think there def is a connection between the two. If u look at a good scan of the juubi it actually has those horn things like the gedo maza ( look carefully in front of the tails by the head/shoulder area.) So maybe the gedo maza is just the remnants leftover after the sage of six paths made the tailed beasts. There has to be some connection. I mean nagato did use the rinnegan to summon it and what does the so6p have ....... rinnegan.


but on another note....... am I the only one who finds that the gedo maza really similar those summons the sound ninja girl used against shikamaru

 

[Kansas Bred]

Hey guys.

On all this ranting about the Juubi being the Gedo Mazo statue, I think it is a plausible theory until we have facts.

Now what I really wanted to ask although it is a bit irrelavent, Compared to what is being discussed at the moment. I wanted to know what you guys thought on the theory that naruto will bring the Edo Tensei Resurections back to life, Besides the Ex-Akatsuki members + Itatchi. What do you guys think?

And another thing, Won't naruto's new cloak make The Zetsu's stronger if he touches him with it?

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

Good Chapter.
Seems people are still hysterical with whacked out theories...


I want to see what Kirabi means about the training. I also want to see Sasuke's EMS pattern.

I predict a flashback arc for Anko!

What bee ment was " its time to start the war, your going to be sad because people might die/get hurt, your going to feel helpless because you can't protect/help everyone, but dont get mad because the war is about to start.

Nagato didn't just summon gedou manzo madara was the one who linked him to it just as he is planning to link sasuke with it

[./SIZE] Gedou Manzou theory

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Gedou Manzou was the only summon of the Rikudou sennin. It's ability are to seal, split, and unite chakara's that are placed into the statue. Before the Rikudou sennin had died, he chose summon the Gedou manzo to split and seal the 10 tailed beast chakara making the 9 tailed beast of today. To link to the Gedou manzo, the user must have senjuu and uchiha blood. While using yin & yang chakara one must have the contract seal placed on them from another user.

Moon eye theory

Spoiler

Lets assume the moon in the manga is just like the

moon today. If we considered its our moon, then that means theres a point

in the moons cycle where the power of the jubi is the closes to the earth

which is known as perigee. When the moon cylces around the earth and

reaches perigee, the moon influences things on earth..now lets assume,

when the moon in naruto reaches that point, we can assume this is the

strongest part of when the jubi live force energy has the strongest affect on

the tailed beast.. Also to add, the jubi's life force should leak out more and

more due to the constant impact that the moon receives from other space

debris. If madara gets control of all 9 tailed beast, maybe hes waiting for the

perigee phase of the moon to revive the jubi. Let me know what you guys

think

Jubi's eye theory

Spoiler

If we look at the jubi's eye we can see the combination of sharigan, rinnegan

and most likely byakugan. When we first got introduce to the sharigan, we

were told that it was developed from the byakugan over time. If thats true

then How can the jubi have the sharigan tomoe centures ago before the

series even started? There a loop hole some where.. Heres my theory

the sharigan and byakugan was always once one dojutsu, The sharigan and

byakugan came from the jubi. When the jubi was made into a jinchuuriki and

then later split its life force into the to sons of the rikudou and the 9 tailed

beast, the sharigan and byakugan where also split from one another. The

byakugan,sharigan, and rinnegan went to the oldest son while the life force

of the rikudou and partial life force of the jubi went to the younger son this

would explain how the senju clan can control the 9 previous biju's. Getting

back on point, while the older son had all 3 dojutsu's, the sharigan's DNA had

layed dormant due to its nature (sharigan will activate when the user is in

danger etc) but due to the fact the oldest son never experience any danger

the sharigan layed dormant until now. This would explain how the 3 dojutsu

came about. Rinnegan came from Rikudou while the sharigan and byakugan

where originally one dojutsu which came from the jubi itself. Hope you guys