[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 515 Discussion/ 516 Predictions

[jabznaruto]

I think that the body we see being Madara is in fact a zetsu clone (remember the fight with minato, when his arm was cut and when the rasengan connected? or when he managed to avoid damage from amaterasu?), altered to possess sharingan and rinnegan. And madara is remotly controlling him from a distance. Why would he implant only one rinnegan? If he implanted both he would become more powerfull than with just one. He didn't use both because that isn't him...it's a puppet... And he's pulling the strings.

I hope that the next few chapters will be answering questions and saving yamato. I would like to see naruto aware of what's happening. And join the fight. He will eventually. And it won't take too long. Also I would like to further compreend the relationship between him and the fox. And why does he have the SO6P neclace in him? Was it the gift itachi gave to him? Until the battle I would like to get some chapters of answering questions.

yes, i see you got a good grasp of manga reading bro.
like you said in your previous posts, "madara is madara and not madara" - i like how you put it.

i think we jive at how we interpret every chapter. i am not very meticulous at each and every details. i like it as play of imagination with educated guess.

here we go...
madara is the total package of a "user". i mean he controls others with exemplary space time jutsu he only possesses. i can say that this is the mastery of using puppets at its finest.

..kankarou and sasori are puppet users with the help of "chakra strtings". i think this is very basic.

..kabuto controls his summons through "spirits" and will-connection.

..madara's control is something else. you are right that he could be pulling strings from a distance or somebody he (madara controls) is lurking anywhere else but is controlled by madara himself.
this is why i can tell kabuto is far from madara's level.

going back, if you stop the chakra strings from a puppet..the show ends.
similarly, if you end a user's spiritual connection between a summoned "dead body" and his spirit via the user's will connection,,,it stops there...the show ends as well. why??? kabuto is in control of "JUST DEAD BODIES"!!!
dead bodies drop dead without the spirits controlled over will-users. why can't the others in the forum get this.

now, regarding madara's control...it is something else. please let me collate some ideas. this is worth another post. let me know your thoughts though.

about madara's rinnegan, i think that he does have the other one. his current earthly body just can't take the full power. this could give us an idea that he really died. that he wore another "sharingan"? -- this points to us that he is an uchiha ---madara in this case as he claims he is.

your predictions of the succeeding chapters leaps with bounds like mine.
however, i still believe we have to see Naruto mastering his new found abilities. this is to add credible manga facts and ideas. before the war proper, we'll witness Naruto's training. i also hope he joins the war afterwards. and yes Naruto will certainly salvage yamato.

my idea of Naruto's relationship to the "fox with nine tails"...this is a wild guess...kishi has personal keepsake as to what the deeper connotations of the "nine tails" and why "fox" as the most powerful fictional creature next to the juubi monster.
the necklace leads us to "Naruto" being the next so6p. like "aang of the airbenders as the next avatar". still a prediction dude....

itachi's gift would be that of "sasuke's relevance". Naruto will need this mysterious gift to win back sasuke from the dark and bring him back to the light under the leaf's confines.

 

[Alkad]

This is exactly what i have been thinking too! I actually starting thinking that back when i predicted this war (back when Tobi said he was madara and itachi died). I think you and i are on to something here dude. Although i think the time skip may happen during the middle of the war after something crucial happens. Like another fight with sasuke or a naruto versus undead jiraiya (though jiraiya may still be alive since pein said he could bring people back). Also what do you guys think about this? This may be completely stupid but i think i might have figured something out that may actually make since.

What if Kabuto actually is, incarnate or something, the Death Demon. Or maybe he like signed a contract or something like that. Just some how is connected to the death demon. I mean, this would explain how he has such a mastery of edo tensei and could allow him to use the people how are owned my the death demon (minato for example). This would also set the motivation for him wanting to like kill all of these people and stuff/take control of the world (a.k.a. be a main antagonist). He could have a set amount of people he must sacrafice to the Death Demon (of just for himself if he is the Death Demon). Then again i could be a complete moron here. I would like to add that i think Kabuto is standing on the sidelines for this war, and as the shinobis die, he will do his whole sacrafice thing and resurect them as they die. For example, If asume defeats shikamaru, he could resurect shikamaru as an undead zombie(not that i think that will happen.) Oh and back to jiraiya, i think he will either be an undead zombie and fight naruto, or jumo out and save naruto at some point. Your thoughts on any and everything i have said?

I don't expect a long time skip during the war. There could be one after. He's still a genin. A genin becoming hokage? maybe

Secondly, kabuto can't be the dead demon. He'd be more powerful than that. He'd have had much greater plans than being a spy for everyone. He would have shown us minato, jirayia as his summons. And you don't need to be a death demon to summon that many. He said he wanted to rediscover himself, so he did. But he's still kabuto... the "orochimaru jinchuuriki", more or less.

I think that the body we see being Madara is in fact a zetsu clone (remember the fight with minato, when his arm was cut and when the rasengan connected? or when he managed to avoid damage from amaterasu?), altered to possess sharingan and rinnegan. And madara is remotly controlling him from a distance. Why would he implant only one rinnegan? If he implanted both he would become more powerfull than with just one. He didn't use both because that isn't him...it's a puppet... And he's pulling the strings.

I hope that the next few chapters will be answering questions and saving yamato. I would like to see naruto aware of what's happening. And join the fight. He will eventually. And it won't take too long. Also I would like to further compreend the relationship between him and the fox. And why does he have the SO6P neclace in him? Was it the gift itachi gave to him? Until the battle I would like to get some chapters of answering questions.

He could be a clone like that. But it may be possible to escape amaterasu just by teleporting. Jirayia could seal the black flames. However, the rinnegan mostly grants qualitative abilities, unique traits, like summoning, revitalising dead bodies, reading people's mind etc. The sharingan also grants unique abilities. I'd think one would be stupid to have the EMS and replace it with a rinnegan when you already have one. The sharingan's powers can't be replaced by rinnegan. I knew he'd have one of each if he ever got to the rinnegan.

Where are the spoilers! :/

do not post spoilers, please

 

[Ikari Shinji Kun]

I didn't mean in here, I meant it's 8.51 on Wednesday night, aren't there usually spoilers out by now?

 

[sasuke721]

yes, i see you got a good grasp of manga reading bro.
like you said in your previous posts, "madara is madara and not madara" - i like how you put it.

i think we jive at how we interpret every chapter. i am not very meticulous at each and every details. i like it as play of imagination with educated guess.

here we go...
madara is the total package of a "user". i mean he controls others with exemplary space time jutsu he only possesses. i can say that this is the mastery of using puppets at its finest.

..kankarou and sasori are puppet users with the help of "chakra strtings". i think this is very basic.

..kabuto controls his summons through "spirits" and will-connection.

..madara's control is something else. you are right that he could be pulling strings from a distance or somebody he (madara controls) is lurking anywhere else but is controlled by madara himself.
this is why i can tell kabuto is far from madara's level.

going back, if you stop the chakra strings from a puppet..the show ends.
similarly, if you end a user's spiritual connection between a summoned "dead body" and his spirit via the user's will connection,,,it stops there...the show ends as well. why??? kabuto is in control of "JUST DEAD BODIES"!!!
dead bodies drop dead without the spirits controlled over will-users. why can't the others in the forum get this.

now, regarding madara's control...it is something else. please let me collate some ideas. this is worth another post. let me know your thoughts though.

about madara's rinnegan, i think that he does have the other one. his current earthly body just can't take the full power. this could give us an idea that he really died. that he wore another "sharingan"? -- this points to us that he is an uchiha ---madara in this case as he claims he is.

your predictions of the succeeding chapters leaps with bounds like mine.
however, i still believe we have to see Naruto mastering his new found abilities. this is to add credible manga facts and ideas. before the war proper, we'll witness Naruto's training. i also hope he joins the war afterwards. and yes Naruto will certainly salvage yamato.

my idea of Naruto's relationship to the "fox with nine tails"...this is a wild guess...kishi has personal keepsake as to what the deeper connotations of the "nine tails" and why "fox" as the most powerful fictional creature next to the juubi monster.
the necklace leads us to "Naruto" being the next so6p. like "aang of the airbenders as the next avatar". still a prediction dude....

itachi's gift would be that of "sasuke's relevance". Naruto will need this mysterious gift to win back sasuke from the dark and bring him back to the light under the leaf's confines.

you have a good point about madara acting like a puppet master by manipulating everyone else. However you said that if kabuto is killed his puppets would simply drop dead. We know that if the user of edo tensei is killed the summons still remain from when the third fought orochimaru.

chapter 121, page 2

in the second panel he says that the jutsu won't end if he kills orochimaru. since kabuto has a higher mastery of edo tensei i assume his summons will also remain.

 

[Scorps]

yes, i see you got a good grasp of manga reading bro.
like you said in your previous posts, "madara is madara and not madara" - i like how you put it.

....

itachi's gift would be that of "sasuke's relevance". Naruto will need this mysterious gift to win back sasuke from the dark and bring him back to the light under the leaf's confines.

Well, i like the manga and after i read it online, I buy it whan it's published here in my country, so basically, i read it at least two times. lol. Its a good hobbie. lol

As for the next chapter, the spoilers are out, so we should continue the discussion in the next discussion tread as this one will be deleted.

Also, thanks for maintaining a challenging discussion.

But I still believe that itachi found the 3 sacred items. The mirror, the sword and the sacred beeds (those tear like gems wich make the SO6P neckace). He passed the mirror and the sword to sasuke, and passed the other to naruto. Theres a previous post about it somewhere here in the forum. Some people, me included, have found this theory to be, at least, plausible. Why? Kishi uses much of Japan's mythisism and culture to write the manga. If you go look for amaterasu/susano/tsukuony on wikipedia you'll see what i'm talking about. And the same goes for the yamata (or how it's spelled) shield. and the sword. There are tree sacred objects. And I don't believe that necklace appeared from the chakra...it simply got activated when naruto acessed the fox's chakra. Problably it's the only way to maintain that chakra so pure. The legend tells that those "beeds" are capable of purifying all darkness... Itachi gave it to naruto in the hope that it would purify the fox malevolance chakra. Otherwise, naruto problably wouldn't be able to controll it. And that's why the fox personality seemed to be sealed by an unknown technique when naruto absorbed all it's chakra and the necklace activated... That's my guess...and it's a theory that is recurrent here in the forum. It seems at least plausible.

As for the war... Naruto won't get to the war until there are losses... People will die and things will get caotic and then he'll join the fight. It'll be similar to the pain attack on konoha.

cumps dude

 

[danivass]

Well, i like the manga and after i read it online, I buy it whan it's published here in my country, so basically, i read it at least two times. lol. Its a good hobbie. lol

As for the next chapter, the spoilers are out, so we should continue the discussion in the next discussion tread as this one will be deleted.

Also, thanks for maintaining a challenging discussion.

But I still believe that itachi found the 3 sacred items. The mirror, the sword and the sacred beeds (those tear like gems wich make the SO6P neckace). He passed the mirror and the sword to sasuke, and passed the other to naruto. Theres a previous post about it somewhere here in the forum. Some people, me included, have found this theory to be, at least, plausible. Why? Kishi uses much of Japan's mythisism and culture to write the manga. If you go look for amaterasu/susano/tsukuony on wikipedia you'll see what i'm talking about. And the same goes for the yamata (or how it's spelled) shield. and the sword. There are tree sacred objects. And I don't believe that necklace appeared from the chakra...it simply got activated when naruto acessed the fox's chakra. Problably it's the only way to maintain that chakra so pure. The legend tells that those "beeds" are capable of purifying all darkness... Itachi gave it to naruto in the hope that it would purify the fox malevolance chakra. Otherwise, naruto problably wouldn't be able to controll it. And that's why the fox personality seemed to be sealed by an unknown technique when naruto absorbed all it's chakra and the necklace activated... That's my guess...and it's a theory that is recurrent here in the forum. It seems at least plausible.

As for the war... Naruto won't get to the war until there are losses... People will die and things will get caotic and then he'll join the fight. It'll be similar to the pain attack on konoha.

cumps dude

Good theory, only I would like to tell you that Itachi's sword was not one of the 3 imperial regalia of Japan. Orochimaru was in possession of it (the Kusanagi sword). Itachi's Totsuka sword was the perfect counter to the Kusanagi sword despite not being one of the 3 legendary items.

 

[Yondaime90]

I'm actually amazed by how people cannot understand the manga.

We saw a FEW shinobi from the "famous" category.

Do you honestly think it was only Zabuza, Haku, and Asuma? There are people who are going to be seen summoned that we haven't seen yet. It would make sense that Jiraiya would be more climactic sometime later.

Orochimaru is sealed inside a sword. He isn't alive inside Kabuto. If the couple dumbasses that think Orochimaru is alive in Kabuto, then remember that Itachi sealed Orochimaru AFTER Kabuto integrated his remains.

And i'm amazed how ONE person misinterperets what i said...

1) i never said oro was alive...merely that kabuto absorbed parts of his remains...period...
second when kabuto said a "few" it meant only a few famous ninja...i seriously doubt he will be summoning all of the famous ninja...and there were more than zabuza haku and asuma, look again...
if anyone's having trouble understanding things, it's you sir.
i'd also appreciate it if you refrain from referring to me as a "dumbass" go enhance your diction sir and maybe you'll understand what i said...

 

[Yondaime90]

I think that the body we see being Madara is in fact a zetsu clone (remember the fight with minato, when his arm was cut and when the rasengan connected? or when he managed to avoid damage from amaterasu?), altered to possess sharingan and rinnegan. And madara is remotly controlling him from a distance. Why would he implant only one rinnegan? If he implanted both he would become more powerfull than with just one. He didn't use both because that isn't him...it's a puppet... And he's pulling the strings.

I hope that the next few chapters will be answering questions and saving yamato. I would like to see naruto aware of what's happening. And join the fight. He will eventually. And it won't take too long. Also I would like to further compreend the relationship between him and the fox. And why does he have the SO6P neclace in him? Was it the gift itachi gave to him? Until the battle I would like to get some chapters of answering questions.

Nice guess, but don't you remember that madara was trying to collect the six paths? well he's only got three...he wants all six in one body, so how can he have all three eye techniques in one body if he uses 2 rinnegan? impossible...besides the rinnegan, byakugan, and sharingan all have different powers, sure some are more powerful than others, but why not have em all? madara may have a plan for the byakugan but to get rid of his original kekke genkai? no...madara has too much pride to do that...I dont believe the true war will begin until madara collects all six paths...only four have been revealed and he has only 3 of them...i think this "war" thats about to begin is only a short battle in the true war that will start after madara collects the six paths.

I have a question though.
Madara claims to have given pain the rinnegan.
And since the uzumaki clan is a decendant of the senju path, it makes sense that it 99% is NOT his kekke genkai.
But where did madara find the rinnegan to give to pain?
Did madara find out where the body sage of the six paths is and take his eyes from him?

 

[Mystikk]

I didn't mean in here, I meant it's 8.51 on Wednesday night, aren't there usually spoilers out by now?

I have no idea .. I usually dont read the spoilers but I want too this week.. oo an be careful how you post on here, this forum is vey popular, an the moderaters are very serious about there rules lol.. Anyhow welcome to the forum.

 

[commanderscoobert]

I don't expect a long time skip during the war. There could be one after. He's still a genin. A genin becoming hokage? maybe

Secondly, kabuto can't be the dead demon. He'd be more powerful than that. He'd have had much greater plans than being a spy for everyone. He would have shown us minato, jirayia as his summons. And you don't need to be a death demon to summon that many. He said he wanted to rediscover himself, so he did. But he's still kabuto... the "orochimaru jinchuuriki", more or less.

Well i see what you mean about the hokage thing. I think he will be hokage just for a moment, and then die in battle against the main protagonists. But now that i think about it, i hink the time skip (at least i really hope there is one) will be after the war. Maybe so naruto can actually get a love interestsvand by the end of the time skip, have a son or daughter that he can seals the 9 tails into or something. Sorry i am kinda rambling about this.

And ya i see what you mean. I suppose he is not the death demon, but that doesn't rule out having a contract with him. I still think he will summon the undead jiraiya, and others like the hokages that are in the death demon later on. Idk, i think he will and having a contract with the death demon seems to make the most sense to acces them.

And to everyone saying that people like jiraiya and konan won't be summoned (once again if jiraiya is dead), then think again. Do you really think plot twists are shown at the begining of an arc?? Kishi is saving some big twists like that. But i still think jiraiya might be alive, but will die or already be dead. Either way Kabuto will end up having him as a puppet to fight Naruto.

 

[Yondaime90]

I suppose he is not the death demon, but that doesn't rule out having a contract with him.

The only 2 ninja to know the DDCS were The Yondaime and Sandaime Hokages, so unless he's got them or a member of the uzumaki clan on speed dial i doubt he even knows how to perform the DDCS...

Reason i say this is DDCS is not necessarily a summon, it's a seal. The uzumaki's were famous for their Fuinjutsu (sealing jutsus) so it's likely that Kushina taught the jutsu to Minato and Minato either left the scroll in the hokage's office or taught it to the sandaime.

 

[sasumaru]

Jiraiya is killed everyone agreed? Or do you think he survive even he got stabbed like seven times.. xd

 

[Yondaime90]

Jiraiya is killed everyone agreed? Or do you think he survive even he got stabbed like seven times.. xd

It's clearly POSSIBLE that jiraiya is still alive, pain said he was going to revive the leaf nin that were killed...it's also possible that he's dead...but like i said before, if he's dead then WHY wouldn't kabuto revive him?
surely jiraiya holds more respect as a legendary powerful ninja than DAN...

 

[Scorps]

I have a question though.
Madara claims to have given pain the rinnegan.
And since the uzumaki clan is a decendant of the senju path, it makes sense that it 99% is NOT his kekke genkai.
But where did madara find the rinnegan to give to pain?
Did madara find out where the body sage of the six paths is and take his eyes from him?

Well, when the sage's lineage split between the two brothers, one had the sharingan and another the body...what if when you mix the two lineage back together it gives the user the rinnegan? How? simple. Madara uses a Uzmaki woman to give birth to a child...that child has both lineages and manifests the rinnegan-nagato. Plausible but a guess non the less. And the whole "the rinnegan was mine to begin with" statement is valid, since if true, nagato having the rinnegan was in fact part of madara's plan to have the rinnegan. It wouldn't happen when you mix them artificially, like with danzou...but with natural instead.

So, it's more logical to think that madara is in fact nagato's father (and his mother an uzmaki woman), rather than to think he implanted two rinnegan with over hundred years in a child. Remember that he, having the EMS would have read more of the secrets of the uchiha than any other uchiha alive, so there would be a part were it explains the rinnegan and how it appears. If not, he could have just experimented various ways untill one works. One of them was to implant the 1st cells in him...when that didn't work, he try other ways...possibly zetsu being one of them. Then nagato. Ultimatly he aquired the rinnegan.

But, although being plausible, it's still a guess...

 

[Yondaime90]

Well, when the sage's lineage split between the two brothers, one had the sharingan and another the body...what if when you mix the two lineage back together it gives the user the rinnegan? How? simple. Madara uses a Uzmaki woman to give birth to a child...that child has both lineages and manifests the rinnegan-nagato. Plausible but a guess non the less. And the whole "the rinnegan was mine to begin with" statement is valid, since if true, nagato having the rinnegan was in fact part of madara's plan to have the rinnegan. It wouldn't happen when you mix them artificially, like with danzou...but with natural instead.

So, it's more logical to think that madara is in fact nagato's father (and his mother an uzmaki woman), rather than to think he implanted two rinnegan with over hundred years in a child. Remember that he, having the EMS would have read more of the secrets of the uchiha than any other uchiha alive, so there would be a part were it explains the rinnegan and how it appears. If not, he could have just experimented various ways untill one works. One of them was to implant the 1st cells in him...when that didn't work, he try other ways...possibly zetsu being one of them. Then nagato. Ultimatly he aquired the rinnegan.

But, although being plausible, it's still a guess...

I suppose it makes sense but it's not quite logical..
In biology when a mother and father reproduce there are ways to predict what traits the child will inherit. (Punnett Square)
Say the Father (madara) has Ab for eyes being the sharingan path and the mother being aB for eyes (senju) the capital letters would be the dominant trait and the lower case, the recessive trait. just for the purpose of this example say the SO6P had AB pattern for eyes. The odds of the child having AB from Ab and aB is 1/4, the odds don't reduce each time they reproduce, they stay the same. So logically it's possible, but highly improbable...
if you search "what happened to nagato's parents" in google it'll come up with a naruto wikia with information that states both of nagato's parents were killed by leaf ninja while fighting them to allow nagato to escape (it was shown in the anime)
I believe that rules out any possibility of nagato being madara's son
also go to chapter 517 page 11 the second box shows nagato as a child with a scar under his eye on his cheek, i suppose this suggests that the eyes were surgically planted...time we look for another solution lol

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

And i'm amazed how ONE person misinterperets what i said...

1) i never said oro was alive...merely that kabuto absorbed parts of his remains...period...
second when kabuto said a "few" it meant only a few famous ninja...i seriously doubt he will be summoning all of the famous ninja...and there were more than zabuza haku and asuma, look again...
if anyone's having trouble understanding things, it's you sir.
i'd also appreciate it if you refrain from referring to me as a "dumbass" go enhance your diction sir and maybe you'll understand what i said...

I didn't even read your post to begin with. Dumbass.

And you just wrote again what I was insinuating about there being more famous ninja. Dumbass.

 

[Yondaime90]

And you just wrote again what I was insinuating about there being more famous ninja. Dumbass.

Actually you "insinuated" (nice SAT word by the way, dumbass) that there would be more summons...i stated that Kabuto would not be summoning any further Legendary Nin...

So you thoroughly fail at defending yourself because you clearly forgot what you said, Dumbass.

 

[freddie12]

WTHl

Originally posted by Yondaime90:
I believe that rules out any possibility of nagato being madara's son
also go to chapter 517 page 11 the second box shows nagato as a child with a scar under his eye on his cheek, i suppose this suggests that the eyes were surgically planted...time we look for another solution lol

So how do you know what happens in chapter 517 if chapter 516 only barely just came out?

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[Yondaime90]

WTHl

So how do you know what happens in chapter 517 if chapter 516 only barely just came out

crap wrong chapter my bad lol i meant 507 typo

 

[ItachiLivesOn16]

they don't become the new legendary sannin. Makes no sense to reuse a name that's already been associated with 3 specific ninja, and because of very specific circumstances (hanzo). And sakura is far from being a "sage"... so is sasuke.

Secondly, madara's army is the most diverse of all conceivable armies. It's because they're mostly zetsus and can change into whoever they want, whenever they want as long as they touch their enemy. They won't all be hashirama if the first's hokage's weaknesses are found. But the transformed zetsu are weaker than the real shinobi. Or they used to be. But now that madara and kabuto powered them up, it won't be easy for the joint shinobi alliance to deal with them. But madara will not win - he can't win in this manga.

lol yeah maybe the whole sannin thing was a bit much but the zetsu thing still wont work:

its 30% of the person they touches chakra so if it was someone like kiba they are easily gunna get killed coz kiba didnt have that much chakra anyway

obviously the person they transform into is gunna know their own strengths and weaknesses so someone like shikamaru is gunna know how to deal with it quickly and effeciently

the shinobi alliance is working in groups whereas zetsu are all just individual going straight ahead so if someone gets touched the whole group will be able to deal with it

plus although very unlikely, if madara dies the zetsu all die with him so thats just a whole heap of enemies dead in one go