Nadare teaches me the beauty of sword arts

[-Mugen-]

Lets begin.

 

[Nadare]

Alright. But before we start, I want you to know that this won't be exactly a walk through the park. There are just a few Senseis left, who train with approvable methods. In my opinion the quality of the training system is, sadly, but true, falling down. Of course, people may say who am I to say that, but I'm not the only one to think like that.
So, my goal today, won't be to get rid of you as fast of possible, but to make a better fighter out of you. Now, I hope you understand what that means.

For starters, tell me what a sword is to it's owner, describe it to me as an object, and explain what, for you, means the phrase "Live and Die by the sword".

 

[-Mugen-]

Alright. But before we start, I want you to know that this won't be exactly a walk through the park. There are just a few Senseis left, who train with approvable methods. In my opinion the quality of the training system is, sadly, but true, falling down. Of course, people may say who am I to say that, but I'm not the only one to think like that.
So, my goal today, won't be to get rid of you as fast of possible, but to make a better fighter out of you. Now, I hope you understand what that means.

For starters, tell me what a sword is to it's owner, describe it to me as an object, and explain what, for you, means the phrase "Live and Die by the sword".

lols You should be a sensei because NB needs sensei who think like that.I guess I will learn how to teach people too by observing you

Well a sword to its owner is like a extension of his own body,like a long, very sharp arm.As a object it is a hilt,with a long blade to it and is used for slashing or stabbing motions.
History@Originally it was created to defend against other people in the old time(in other words to protect),but later it was used as a weapon to kill and conquer.

Live by the sword means if you started your life as a swordsman than you must practice the skills and use it to protect(or in some cases to kill),and in the end die fighting with a sword in your hand.(last part of the phrase, also meaning to never give up)

Thats how I understood it

 

[Nadare]

lols You should be a sensei because NB needs sensei who think like that.I guess I will learn how to teach people too by observing you

Well a sword to its owner is like a extension of his own body,like a long, very sharp arm.As a object it is a hilt,with a long blade to it and is used for slashing or stabbing motions.
History@Originally it was created to defend against other people in the old time(in other words to protect),but later it was used as a weapon to kill and conquer.

Live by the sword means if you started your life as a swordsman than you must practice the skills and use it to protect(or in some cases to kill),and in the end die fighting with a sword in your hand.(last part of the phrase, also meaning to never give up)

Thats how I understood it

Thank you.

You answer was, how should I put it, shallow. I want you to expand your own thoughts, a describe. Description is what makes you win the fight, not the power of the technique. Keep this in mind, as it is a very important factor in a fight.
As you'll be training with me, try to describe and explain your thoughts as precisely as you can.

Let us now split your answer. First of all, I don't give a shit about what swords were in the past. I want you to try and decide what are the important things you should tell me, and not just write something so you can say it's almost 100 words. No. Even if it's short, I don't mind, but the answer must have all I asked for, and not things I did not ask for.

So, to the first part of your answer above: List me all kinds of swords you know of, the use of each and every one of it, and then tell me parts of the sword a normal two edged sword - precisely!

I don't care if you use Wiki or Narutopedia for it, there's nothing wrong about it, just make sure you read it an then explain it with you own words.

 

[-Mugen-]

Thank you.

You answer was, how should I put it, shallow. I want you to expand your own thoughts, a describe. Description is what makes you win the fight, not the power of the technique. Keep this in mind, as it is a very important factor in a fight.
As you'll be training with me, try to describe and explain your thoughts as precisely as you can.

Let us now split your answer. First of all, I don't give a shit about what swords were in the past. I want you to try and decide what are the important things you should tell me, and not just write something so you can say it's almost 100 words. No. Even if it's short, I don't mind, but the answer must have all I asked for, and not things I did not ask for.

So, to the first part of your answer above: List me all kinds of swords you know of, the use of each and every one of it, and then tell me parts of the sword a normal two edged sword - precisely!

I don't care if you use Wiki or Narutopedia for it, there's nothing wrong about it, just make sure you read it an then explain it with you own words.

lol sorry.I only wrote what I thought you asked.Didnt mean it to be like that

Well here are a few that I know of:

Katana- a overall well balanced sword that is medium size.It is highly effective in close quarters.It could be used to preform slashes or stabbing motions.

Hook swords- these are swords that are bent at the end to form a hook shape.It is often used with 2 of these at the same time,to grab the opponents weapon and pull it way from him,to stop a punch and then pull the arm.In short,its used to pull and stab.

Nodachi & kodachi- Kodochi is a very long sword used for slashing motions on long range distances and kodachi is very short sword used mostly for defense.

Zanbato- is the longest sword used.It was designed to knock cavalry down,but later developed style like the nodachi did.


I didnt understand what you asked me about the 2 edged sword.Could you re-phrase it please ^^

 

[Nadare]

lol sorry.I only wrote what I thought you asked.Didnt mean it to be like that

Well here are a few that I know of:

Katana- a overall well balanced sword that is medium size.It is highly effective in close quarters.It could be used to preform slashes or stabbing motions.

Hook swords- these are swords that are bent at the end to form a hook shape.It is often used with 2 of these at the same time,to grab the opponents weapon and pull it way from him,to stop a punch and then pull the arm.In short,its used to pull and stab.

Nodachi & kodachi- Kodochi is a very long sword used for slashing motions on long range distances and kodachi is very short sword used mostly for defense.

Zanbato- is the longest sword used.It was designed to knock cavalry down,but later developed style like the nodachi did.


I didnt understand what you asked me about the 2 edged sword.Could you re-phrase it please ^^

Nicely put. However, you missed a few. Of course, there's a small mountain of European swords (Like the Long Sword, Bastard Sword, Rapier, etc.), but we won't concentrate on them.
We will try to concentrate on Eastern swords. It's good you noted the difference between kodachi and nodachi. But you failed to tell me about the reference of the Wakizashi. Don't know if you ever heard of it, but it is a sword similar to kodachi, just shorter.
As for nodachi, and zanbatou - in real life, those two sords aren't very different, really, but in anime we often find a different explanation. Nodachi, just like you said, in anime stands for a long katana, held with two hands. Zanbatou, however, is in anime described like the sword Zabuza had (The Decapitating Knife), a very big, large sword. Of course, in the past this kind of swords did not exist because there would be nobody strong enough to handle such a sword.
This are just the basic few, the ones we will be concentrating on, but just like in Europe, in the East there is another small mountain of swords, which are in my opinion almost the same (-.-').
Wakizashi, Nodachi, Odachi, Tachi, Kodachi, Nihonto, the come the Chinese ones, Jian, Hook sword, like you said, Dadao, Dao, and so on, and so on.
You really don't have to know this sword names, but whatever.

Anyway, what disappoints me is, that you did not mention the spears. I know the ain't swords, but the are some of the main weapons. So, no need to bother, but just so you know, there are two kind of spears, the Naginata and the Yari.

Even though, most people's knowledge is not so vast, so just say Katana and they'll understand.

And sure, I'll rephrase it for ya. ^^
What I asked is that you tell me the parts of a sword. It comes really handy in a fight you know. But nevermind, here you go.

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The knowledge of his sword is the fighter's greatest strength.

So make sure I didn't write all this for nothing. This things written here will really come handy to you. ^^

 

[-Mugen-]

Nicely put. However, you missed a few. Of course, there's a small mountain of European swords (Like the Long Sword, Bastard Sword, Rapier, etc.), but we won't concentrate on them.
We will try to concentrate on Eastern swords. It's good you noted the difference between kodachi and nodachi. But you failed to tell me about the reference of the Wakizashi. Don't know if you ever heard of it, but it is a sword similar to kodachi, just shorter.
As for nodachi, and zanbatou - in real life, those two sords aren't very different, really, but in anime we often find a different explanation. Nodachi, just like you said, in anime stands for a long katana, held with two hands. Zanbatou, however, is in anime described like the sword Zabuza had (The Decapitating Knife), a very big, large sword. Of course, in the past this kind of swords did not exist because there would be nobody strong enough to handle such a sword.
This are just the basic few, the ones we will be concentrating on, but just like in Europe, in the East there is another small mountain of swords, which are in my opinion almost the same (-.-').
Wakizashi, Nodachi, Odachi, Tachi, Kodachi, Nihonto, the come the Chinese ones, Jian, Hook sword, like you said, Dadao, Dao, and so on, and so on.
You really don't have to know this sword names, but whatever.

Anyway, what disappoints me is, that you did not mention the spears. I know the ain't swords, but the are some of the main weapons. So, no need to bother, but just so you know, there are two kind of spears, the Naginata and the Yari.

Even though, most people's knowledge is not so vast, so just say Katana and they'll understand.

And sure, I'll rephrase it for ya. ^^
What I asked is that you tell me the parts of a sword. It comes really handy in a fight you know. But nevermind, here you go.

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The knowledge of his sword is the fighter's greatest strength.

So make sure I didn't write all this for nothing. This things written here will really come handy to you. ^^

awesome explanation of everything.I actually copyed it and saved it as a document on my comp and saved the image.Thanks.
Though that picture is a western European knight type. I was hoping we would focus on Katana's and more eastern ones like you stated.

So what should I do now sempai

 

[Nadare]

awesome explanation of everything.I actually copyed it and saved it as a document on my comp and saved the image.Thanks.
Though that picture is a western European knight type. I was hoping we would focus on Katana's and more eastern ones like you stated.

So what should I do now sempai

Good thinking ^^
And yeah, I know it's a western sword type, but it is almost the same with all swords: The hilt, the cross-guard, and the blade. Then the blade description goes further in with the strong and weak part of the blade, and so on.
As I said, it is almost the same with all sword, the thing that change are only the length, and therefore the Center of Balance, as well as some minor changes from sword to sword.

I reckon you know what Center of Balance is?

lols You should be a sensei because NB needs sensei who think like that.I guess I will learn how to teach people too by observing you

Well a sword to its owner is like a extension of his own body,like a long, very sharp arm.As a object it is a hilt,with a long blade to it and is used for slashing or stabbing motions.
History@Originally it was created to defend against other people in the old time(in other words to protect),but later it was used as a weapon to kill and conquer.

Live by the sword means if you started your life as a swordsman than you must practice the skills and use it to protect(or in some cases to kill),and in the end die fighting with a sword in your hand.(last part of the phrase, also meaning to never give up)

Thats how I understood it

Okay, so let's go back to your first answer. We still have the second part of it to go through.

But first of all, I must remind you that swords you cannot only slash or stab. There are three, primary or better said, base sword motions: striking, cutting and thrusting. You forgot striking with is not quiet the same.

But anyway, next comes the second part of your answer. Live and die by the sword. I'm let's say happy with your answer. You explained it good. Shortly said, the sword enables you to live, but is also the cause of your death, sooner or later. It is a principle many swordsmen live by.

And now, should we continue our training?

 

[-Mugen-]

Good thinking ^^
And yeah, I know it's a western sword type, but it is almost the same with all swords: The hilt, the cross-guard, and the blade. Then the blade description goes further in with the strong and weak part of the blade, and so on.
As I said, it is almost the same with all sword, the thing that change are only the length, and therefore the Center of Balance, as well as some minor changes from sword to sword.

I reckon you know what Center of Balance is?



Okay, so let's go back to your first answer. We still have the second part of it to go through.

But first of all, I must remind you that swords you cannot only slash or stab. There are three, primary or better said, base sword motions: striking, slashing and thrusting. You forgot striking with is not quiet the same.

But anyway, next comes the second part of your answer. Live and die by the sword. I'm let's say happy with your answer. You explained it good. Shortly said, the sword enables you to live, but is also the cause of your death, sooner or later. It is a principle many swordsmen live by.

And now, should we continue our training?

I think I know what center of balance is,but just to be sure could you explain please ^^

And ya sure.Lets continue

 

[Nadare]

I think I know what center of balance is,but just to be sure could you explain please ^^

And ya sure.Lets continue

It's actually pretty simple. Center of Balance (CoB), is the point, where the sword keeps balance - if you, let's say, put your sword o your finger, a position it well, to the point of having the sword lay on your finger precisely in the point called CoB, you will manage to keep you sword on your finger, without any fear of the sword falling down. Of course, all this only applies in perfect situations (windless, steady situations, etc.). In more complicated situations, it really takes you a lot of skill to keep your sword balanced.

Due to the fact, that until now you've been just listening, and leaving me to do the job of explanation, you must now explain to me what the Center of Percussion is.
This here is actually a pretty hard thing to do, but as I explained in the beginning of the training, I do not care where will you find information about it. Just make sure you will be able to explain it to me the way it is. You may take as much time as you want.

Believe me, if you will succeed in this training, you will really have a lot more knowledge about swords, and sword fighting, but I will not make it easy. You will become a better sword fighter, that I am sure of. Good luck, by the way.

 

[-Mugen-]

It's actually pretty simple. Center of Balance (CoB), is the point, where the sword keeps balance - if you, let's say, put your sword o your finger, a position it well, to the point of having the sword lay on your finger precisely in the point called CoB, you will manage to keep you sword on your finger, without any fear of the sword falling down. Of course, all this only applies in perfect situations (windless, steady situations, etc.). In more complicated situations, it really takes you a lot of skill to keep your sword balanced.

Due to the fact, that until now you've been just listening, and leaving me to do the job of explanation, you must now explain to me what the Center of Percussion is.
This here is actually a pretty hard thing to do, but as I explained in the beginning of the training, I do not care where will you find information about it. Just make sure you will be able to explain it to me the way it is. You may take as much time as you want.

Believe me, if you will succeed in this training, you will really have a lot more knowledge about swords, and sword fighting, but I will not make it easy. You will become a better sword fighter, that I am sure of. Good luck, by the way.

Okey sorry for the super late reply I was busy or too tired to reply lol

Well COP is from what i understood(I read a few articles on what it is and it was confusing so this is a try)is a point where the objects forces cancle out,causing it to not move except swing back and forth.
(sorry for such a childish reply,but thats the best I can explain itxd)

 

[Nadare]

Okey sorry for the super late reply I was busy or too tired to reply lol

Well COP is from what i understood(I read a few articles on what it is and it was confusing so this is a try)is a point where the objects forces cancle out,causing it to not move except swing back and forth.
(sorry for such a childish reply,but thats the best I can explain itxd)

Wrong. This thing here, is a failed description of a normal point of percussion. What I asked for, is the center of percussion on a sword.

And yeah, what you wrote here is taken from wiki, right? 'Cause I checked the articles. But next time you check wiki, make sure you read through the whole article, not just the beginning.

Try again.

 

[-Mugen-]

Wrong. This thing here, is a failed description of a normal point of percussion. What I asked for, is the center of percussion on a sword.

And yeah, what you wrote here is taken from wiki, right? 'Cause I checked the articles. But next time you check wiki, make sure you read through the whole article, not just the beginning.

Try again.

rofl I thought soxd
sorry

And I read not only wiki

Anyway back to the ranch: The COP of a sword is the point where using the sword is most effective,meaning its where the swords focus is best allowing the cuting there to be the most damaging.
I would try to explain some of the vibrations and waves part that influence that but thats more physics that I rather not explain because I suck at it,but I described what you asked simply in the explanation above ^^

 

[Nadare]

rofl I thought soxd
sorry

And I read not only wiki

Anyway back to the ranch: The COP of a sword is the point where using the sword is most effective,meaning its where the swords focus is best allowing the cuting there to be the most damaging.
I would try to explain some of the vibrations and waves part that influence that but thats more physics that I rather not explain because I suck at it,but I described what you asked simply in the explanation above ^^

That's better. Anyway, that vibrations part is quite important, so I'm going to explaint it and make it easier for you to understand.

So, whenever you hit an object (may it be with a bat or with a sword or whatever), vibrations are created - in the situation of the sword, the impact between the objects, makes vibrate both, but it's usually like that the sword cuts through the other object.
Of course, in real life this vibrations are so small that they can be ignored. But it's a completely other thing in the ninja world. Ninja strike and use swords a lot more efficiently than normal people (it depends on their rank), so the stronger you can strike, the stronger get the vibration. But if the sword is perfectly harmonized (balanced), you shouldn't get more than a sting to you hand, with which you are holding the sword.
This sting though, derives from the vibrations, as already told. On a properly-balanced sword, one epicenter of the vibrations is in inside the hilt, and the other in the center of percussion.
The CoP is therefore important for the efficiency of the strike - if the sword is correctly balanced, and you hit the target with the right spot on your blade, the damage can almost double.

And now, the last and final question. The answer doesn't have to be long. But it's hard. If you answer it correctly, you are halfway through the training.
What are the sword harmonics? Also, what do sword-forgers think about it?

 

[-Mugen-]

That's better. Anyway, that vibrations part is quite important, so I'm going to explaint it and make it easier for you to understand.

So, whenever you hit an object (may it be with a bat or with a sword or whatever), vibrations are created - in the situation of the sword, the impact between the objects, makes vibrate both, but it's usually like that the sword cuts through the other object.
Of course, in real life this vibrations are so small that they can be ignored. But it's a completely other thing in the ninja world. Ninja strike and use swords a lot more efficiently than normal people (it depends on their rank), so the stronger you can strike, the stronger get the vibration. But if the sword is perfectly harmonized (balanced), you shouldn't get more than a sting to you hand, with which you are holding the sword.
This sting though, derives from the vibrations, as already told. On a properly-balanced sword, one epicenter of the vibrations is in inside the hilt, and the other in the center of percussion.
The CoP is therefore important for the efficiency of the strike - if the sword is correctly balanced, and you hit the target with the right spot on your blade, the damage can almost double.

And now, the last and final question. The answer doesn't have to be long. But it's hard. If you answer it correctly, you are halfway through the training.
What are the sword harmonics? Also, what do sword-forgers think about it?

hmmm....I couldnt find the answer on the internet since it kept sending me to a vires infested site lol

So here goes a guess.

SH- is whats called the balance of the sword.Its the balance of everything that makes the sword Hilt,blade,weight,density etc.In other words the harmonizing of all the sword components.

Sword forgers think about the balance of everything in the sword.They need to make sure that the hilt is right,in order to hold the blade;they need to make sure the blade isnt too big to hold or too weak to clash with etc. I think the answer to this question,is the base of the previous question,meaning Sword harmonics

 

[Nadare]

hmmm....I couldnt find the answer on the internet since it kept sending me to a vires infested site lol

So here goes a guess.

SH- is whats called the balance of the sword.Its the balance of everything that makes the sword Hilt,blade,weight,density etc.In other words the harmonizing of all the sword components.

Sword forgers think about the balance of everything in the sword.They need to make sure that the hilt is right,in order to hold the blade;they need to make sure the blade isnt too big to hold or too weak to clash with etc. I think the answer to this question,is the base of the previous question,meaning Sword harmonics

That's satisfactory enough. And I think that you did a pretty well job. Congratulations. There is just one thing left. You have to fight me.
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'I'll go easy on you. My goal is not to win today, but to teach you something. Yours should be alike as well. Do not try to win, because you have a slender chance. But try to think what you do, and you should think fast. I will try to correct your mistakes. Good luck."

"Let us begin. I will fight unarmed now."

 

[-Mugen-]

That's satisfactory enough. And I think that you did a pretty well job. Congratulations. There is just one thing left. You have to fight me.
____________________

'I'll go easy on you. My goal is not to win today, but to teach you something. Yours should be alike as well. Do not try to win, because you have a slender chance. But try to think what you do, and you should think fast. I will try to correct your mistakes. Good luck."

"Let us begin. I will fight unarmed now."

um okey lol.....but can I use any style or sword I want(twin kodachi/nodachi etc) or is just hand to hand combat

 

[Nadare]

um okey lol.....but can I use any style or sword I want(twin kodachi/nodachi etc) or is just hand to hand combat

You can use whatever you want, with the exception of chakra. Fight without it. Therefore, no techniques. Also, I do not want you to paste me a list of tai/ken techniques here in this fight. I want you to actually fight, explain, describe your moves. Btw, dunno if I mentioned it, but you should start this goddamn fight if you want to finish this training before Christmas.

 

[-Mugen-]

You can use whatever you want, with the exception of chakra. Fight without it. Therefore, no techniques. Also, I do not want you to paste me a list of tai/ken techniques here in this fight. I want you to actually fight, explain, describe your moves. Btw, dunno if I mentioned it, but you should start this goddamn fight if you want to finish this training before Christmas.

lmao Well I will use my update Ace bio.I will use one Nodachi sword(but I can use it just as fast as a kodachi style as I stated )

*I get the sword from my hilt then I get in a position: where both my hands are on it,I put the sword blade facing my back side to my right and charge.Then I charge at you and as soon as I get in range I preform a diagonal slash (from down to up) up to your right(to you right,to me left) shoulder*

 

[Nadare]

lmao Well I will use my update Ace bio.I will use one Nodachi sword(but I can use it just as fast as a kodachi style as I stated )

*I get the sword from my hilt scabbard/sheath, then I get in a position: where both my hands are on it,I put the sword blade facing my back side to my right and charge.Then I charge at you and as soon as I get in range I preform a diagonal slash (from down to up) up to your right(to you right,to me left) shoulder*

*the hilt is where you hold your sword, while the scabbard or sheath, which is the right word in this situation, is the thing where you put your sword, and is usually on your belt

When you are exactly one meter from me, I make a very quick movement - Using my right hand, I draw a sword, from my left scabbard, making a diagonal slash as well, which goes, just like yours, from down, to up. My sword draw, parries your diagonal slash, and with it, sends your sword on, towards the sky. This opens your whole body, but I realize your left hand is still free, and you would be able to defend yourself. There fore, when I parry your sword, I continue the swing motion, therefore spinning around (like a roulette), hitting you in the height of your right 3rd rib. As your right hand is stretched upward, holding your sword, I have more than enough time to hit you, and you really can't react. You can't defend with your left hand either, because you don't have enough time turn to the right, and parry my hit.
However, I hit you with the blunt side of the sword, not cutting you. Even though, the blow crushes your rib, and sends you flying to the side.