[Discussion] the lost uchiha

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I believe those abilities from shisui are easy to counter with sharingan and byakugan.
And well, against Itachi or Madara he was just out of his league.
He might've been strong, as Danzou used his eye on the Mizukage easily, but it is implied to be genjutsu as well, wich Byakugan and Sharingan can dispel to a certain degree.
 

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I believe those abilities from shisui are easy to counter with sharingan and byakugan.
And well, against Itachi or Madara he was just out of his league.
He might've been strong, as Danzou used his eye on the Mizukage easily, but it is implied to be genjutsu as well, wich Byakugan and Sharingan can dispel to a certain degree.
I completely agree.Shisuis MS ability may have been strong but I think it would be wasted on Itachi who is a true master of sharingan.I don't think it wouldve worked on him and was most likely reversed on him thus leading to Itachi making him kill himself
 

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I completely agree.Shisuis MS ability may have been strong but I think it would be wasted on Itachi who is a true master of sharingan.I don't think it wouldve worked on him and was most likely reversed on him thus leading to Itachi making him kill himself
shishu controlled his enemy without even the enemy knowing it..so reversing it will be impossible bc Itachi wouldnt have know he was being controlled. itachi is very good and skilled sharingan wielder but i believe shishu is the true master.
 
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I think Shisui's and Itachi's story will be revisited in flashback form. There are too many 'cookies' not too. First, the suicide note. If you look at the drawing, its ripped along the right margin. It could be a sort of puzzle, with the other ripped half revealing the truth. Second, Why would Kishi have Ao mention that Danzo had Shisui's eye and that such a power was controlling the 4th Mizukage? Later, we saw from Kisame's Akatsuki origin flashback, that Madara was standing in the shadows controlling the 4th Mizukage. This was after Shisui was dead because Kisame greeted and welcomed Itachi into Akatsuki. Third, what was the relationship Madara had with Shisui?

My theory is that Shisui was an Akatsuki operative. Madara's pipeline to the Uchiha clan.

He was used to stir up revolt within the clan to sow the seeds of rebellion which would lead Danzo and the Elders to perceive the Uchiha as an immediate threat. All according to Madara's plan for revenge on the Uchiha, mutually removing threats and Harvesting eyes.

He was also used earlier by Madara to put the 4th Mizukage under Madara's control. And while, due to his warping ability, Madara was not found out or discovered by Kirigakure--Shisui was detected on his way out by Ao. The two fought to a stalemate and Ao escaped.

Itachi was the only one to discover Madara's presence in Konoha at the time of the massacre. Had other Uchiha the chance to discover him? Did he walk among them? Or among the Anbu (with his mask and all). Did Itachi also find out Madara had used Shisui as his tool? And was forced to make the VERY difficult decision of Clan vs. Peace? Power vs. Friendship? Chose the impossible path of agreeing with Madara and Danzo that the threat had to be eliminated, with his price for cooperation being his innocent little brothers life? Chose further, to monitor the greater threat in Uchiha Madara from up close, by joining the dark Akatsuki? To be the ultimate counter-weight to an attack on Konoha?

I have no doubt that Danzo and Madara had brokered a deal as to the elimination of the Uchiha and the harvesting of the Eyes. Danzo will make a deal with anyone as witnessed by his collusion with Hanzo of the Rain. His familiarity with Orochimaru and their implied relationship when Sai presented himself as his emissary. Madara and Danzo's greetings when they met and 'fought' also revealed a level of familiarity.

Danzo's price for Itachi's collusion was Shisui's special eye. And and a quantity of Uchiha eyes. Madara's price was possibly Shisui's other eye and the use of Itachi and the remaining eyes. Itachi's price was they both lay off Sasuke and Madara not attack Konoha. The price he paid in exchange was steep. But the alternative was even more unthinkable in his mind.
 
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Makes good sense.but the only thing is...why would shisui have same power in both eyes?maybe he didn't develope a secondtechniwue uet because he didnt know you could have two.he probably used both eyes for the jutsu.maybe that's why it wasso powerful.Danzo got one and trained it so the one eye was as powerful as both,as did madara to control yagura.the thing is tho wasn't yaguras controlling done a long time ago?like before shisui died?I don't remember
 
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i agree its not enough fact, that obvious because shishu was only mentioned and only a little was told about him. but i do not believe Itachi could have beaten shishu that easily..shishu was the strongest of his generation..stronger than itachi.
Shusui had raw talent and power. he had perhaps the most evolved sharingan of any uchiha. This said, by comparison to Itachi, he was sloppy, slow witted, and one-dimensional. Oh yes he had more power than itachi, but raw power without the intelligence to use it properly and effectively is next to useless. Brains beat brawn every time.

no itachi did not have help...think about it...madara is the only one that helped itachi...if madara would have killed shishui he would have no doubt stolen his eyes...but danzo ended up with them!!! so itachi took down shishui by himself!
I'm not sure I would be quoting anything Madara said and use it as canon, especially not in reference to what he's told sasuke just to secure his cooperation.

Itachi was easily superior in my eyes and though I will admit Shisui being the MS holder at the time may make it hard to believe Itachi couldve won you have to look at it this way.Itachi was an anbu captain at the age of 13 while having no MS.everyone overlooks the fact that Itachi was the best in almost every single category.taijutsu,ninjutsu,speed,hand seal speed(that even with sharingan Kakashi couldn't keep up with in part 1),battle tactics,and pure raw talent.Itachi was untouchable and his power doubled after gaining MS.everyone now underestimates him because he lost to Sasuke even tho it was his plan and it was his choice to die at Sasukes hand

Makes good sense.but the only thing is...why would shisui have same power in both eyes?maybe he didn't develope a secondtechniwue uet because he didnt know you could have two.he probably used both eyes for the jutsu.maybe that's why it wasso powerful.Danzo got one and trained it so the one eye was as powerful as both,as did madara to control yagura.the thing is tho wasn't yaguras controlling done a long time ago?like before shisui died?I don't remember
Who said shusui had MS at the time? Near as we know he never had MS just normal sharingan. his sharingan however was more advanced than the others but wasn't MS.

I think Shisui's and Itachi's story will be revisited in flashback form. There are too many 'cookies' not too. First, the suicide note. If you look at the drawing, its ripped along the right margin. It could be a sort of puzzle, with the other ripped half revealing the truth. Second, Why would Kishi have Ao mention that Danzo had Shisui's eye and that such a power was controlling the 4th Mizukage? Later, we saw from Kisame's Akatsuki origin flashback, that Madara was standing in the shadows controlling the 4th Mizukage. This was after Shisui was dead because Kisame greeted and welcomed Itachi into Akatsuki. Third, what was the relationship Madara had with Shisui?

My theory is that Shisui was an Akatsuki operative. Madara's pipeline to the Uchiha clan.

He was used to stir up revolt within the clan to sow the seeds of rebellion which would lead Danzo and the Elders to perceive the Uchiha as an immediate threat. All according to Madara's plan for revenge on the Uchiha, mutually removing threats and Harvesting eyes.

He was also used earlier by Madara to put the 4th Mizukage under Madara's control. And while, due to his warping ability, Madara was not found out or discovered by Kirigakure--Shisui was detected on his way out by Ao. The two fought to a stalemate and Ao escaped.

Itachi was the only one to discover Madara's presence in Konoha at the time of the massacre. Had other Uchiha the chance to discover him? Did he walk among them? Or among the Anbu (with his mask and all). Did Itachi also find out Madara had used Shisui as his tool? And was forced to make the VERY difficult decision of Clan vs. Peace? Power vs. Friendship? Chose the impossible path of agreeing with Madara and Danzo that the threat had to be eliminated, with his price for cooperation being his innocent little brothers life? Chose further, to monitor the greater threat in Uchiha Madara from up close, by joining the dark Akatsuki? To be the ultimate counter-weight to an attack on Konoha?

I have no doubt that Danzo and Madara had brokered a deal as to the elimination of the Uchiha and the harvesting of the Eyes. Danzo will make a deal with anyone as witnessed by his collusion with Hanzo of the Rain. His familiarity with Orochimaru and their implied relationship when Sai presented himself as his emissary. Madara and Danzo's greetings when they met and 'fought' also revealed a level of familiarity.

Danzo's price for Itachi's collusion was Shisui's special eye. And and a quantity of Uchiha eyes. Madara's price was possibly Shisui's other eye and the use of Itachi and the remaining eyes. Itachi's price was they both lay off Sasuke and Madara not attack Konoha. The price he paid in exchange was steep. But the alternative was even more unthinkable in his mind.
I really appriciate this theory, it definitely answers all the questions left behind and certainly fits everything we know.
 

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I do not think Shisui is dead because we did not see him die and most of it like Obito, Yahiko, and we even saw Dan dead. And why would they not show Shisui get killed he is also important in the story ? And second Shisui or Itachi or together were probably the Konoha Military Police Force to believe that there was Shisui corpse while it was not?
And i know Danzo got his arm and his eye i dont know how maybe a trick some how??
 
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I do not think Shisui is dead because we did not see him die and most of it like Obito, Yahiko, and we even saw Dan dead. And why would they not show Shisui get killed he is also important in the story ? And second Shisui or Itachi or together were probably the Konoha Military Police Force to believe that there was Shisui corpse while it was not?
And i know Danzo got his arm and his eye i dont know how maybe a trick some how??
Shisue is dead. We did see his eye in Danzou....
 

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Right now the only lost Uchiha that would appeared be if Kabuto stole all of Madara collection of Uchiha eyes and clone himself an army of Uchiha from their DNA.
 
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are you f*ckin serious?of course he had MS that's how he used his mind control tech that's common knowledge.use your brain
common knowledge? Really? Well then, since it is so common, please, by all means, point out the manga chapter that shows Shusui with a MS, or where it says he used MS.

Until you find that, then do keep the vulgarity to yourself when unable to defend your own position.
 

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my apologies about the post earlier.I was just havin a difficult day and I shouldn't have lashed out like that.it was distasteful and I hope you accept the apology.I'll mind the things I say more in the future.

As for the topic let me check and I'll edit this post after I look.
 

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I don't believe that Shishui is dead at all. Why did Madara attack Danzo after the Hokage's meeting? If he really wanted the 9 tails why not kidnap Danzo and hold him for ransom like he said he was going to do with the rest of the Hokage? I believe it's because he wanted Shishui's eye. But how did Madara know that Danzo had it? Remember that Sasuke didn't achieve his Mangekyou from killing Itachi, but from feeling the loss of the closest person to him. I believe that either 1. Shishui worked for Madara and killed himself out of grief. Remember in Shishui's note he said that he could no longer follow "the path." Now recall that Madara stated that he is one of "the paths." 2. Shishui is Madara and cannot attain the Mangekyou and has been aiding in Itachi's and Sasuke's growth in order to find a way to achieve his own.
 

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I don't believe that Shishui is dead at all. Why did Madara attack Danzo after the Hokage's meeting? If he really wanted the 9 tails why not kidnap Danzo and hold him for ransom like he said he was going to do with the rest of the Hokage? I believe it's because he wanted Shishui's eye. But how did Madara know that Danzo had it? Remember that Sasuke didn't achieve his Mangekyou from killing Itachi, but from feeling the loss of the closest person to him. I believe that either 1. Shishui worked for Madara and killed himself out of grief. Remember in Shishui's note he said that he could no longer follow "the path." Now recall that Madara stated that he is one of "the paths." 2. Shishui is Madara and cannot attain the Mangekyou and has been aiding in Itachi's and Sasuke's growth in order to find a way to achieve his own.
Didn't they find Shishui's dead body, and that's what made people suspicious of itachi?
 
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