[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 511 Discussion / 512 Predictions

[ReaperDan]

So I'm new here. Has anyone predicted that Naruto and Nagato are somehow related?! Isn't it possible for Nagato to be the brother of Naruto's Mom? Making Nagato his uncle.
That would be a huge mind blower!

I don't think he got a new " mode" per say, but rather just some new powers. The mask is just a way to show us how he is slowly progressing in power... Just my thoughts.

Madara always said he was "a shell of his former self."
What this probably means is that he possessed the Rinnegan but gave it to Nagato leaving him with his old ETM. Which wasn't nearly as powerful I'm sure. So is it possible that he combined the two to make new eyes that look closer to the ten tails?
You know with the ripple effect purple with a bunch of tao's everywhere? It is after all what his new mask looks like.
Ooh ooh and I don't think he has a new mode that changes his whole body. Remember when Naruto used the Kyuubi's chakra that his clothes were also surrounded in life force. So The mask wouldn't help him cover it up.

 

[Mystikk]

If naruto did become the 6th paths, he doesn't have to create different bodies, the only reason why different bodies were created was because nagato had used that gedo summon tech back when he was younger and it made him physically weak. Before he created the different paths/bodies nagato could use all of the power of the paths. Also to add, he created differen't bodies due to the fact that more rinnegans gave a better advantage in a fight because they all shared the same vision. If we apply the logic of 2 is better then 1 then im sure ull get why there was 6 bodies instead of just 1.

Thankyou for elaborating on this Yukimaru.. that makes alot of since.. even tho i still think nagato could of did more damage with all the 6pains powers within him.

 

[Narutofan123457]

On a complete side-note, Happy Brithday Rei!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, back to the manga. I liked the symbolism of this chapter, it really concluded everything with Nagato, Yahiko, Konan, and Jiraiya. We can finally admit that they are dead and move on with the story. The chapter was really sad, but sort of sweet in the end...too bad none of them ever achieved their goal of peace in their lifetime though. This makes me think Naruto won't either...he will pass on his goal to the next generation too, but he will make progress. Too bad no chapter this week ;( Oh well, the anime is out about Kakashi so that should be good. Can't wait for next week.

 

[kakashi338]

is nagato from the uzumaki clan

 

[yummey1]

what are all the six paths?

is nagato from the uzumaki clan

yes he is from the uzamaki clan. his mom is one of the members. she has red hair as well and his dad has brown hair.

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

Thankyou for elaborating on this Yukimaru.. that makes alot of since.. even tho i still think nagato could of did more damage with all the 6pains powers within him.

your welcome, and yea he could do some damage the only disadvantage is his field of vision wont be as sharp as it was with the 6 bodies. Lets see how madara uses the rinnegan. I deff dont think we will be seeing madara controlling 6 bodies like nagato did. He will just be 1 person.

 

[Mystikk]

your welcome, and yea he could do some damage the only disadvantage is his field of vision wont be as sharp as it was with the 6 bodies. Lets see how madara uses the rinnegan. I deff dont think we will be seeing madara controlling 6 bodies like nagato did. He will just be 1 person.

alot of jutsu's .. alot of power.. overall madness lol.. i think madara will b much more affective with the rinnegan.

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

alot of jutsu's .. alot of power.. overall madness lol.. i think madara will b much more affective with the rinnegan.

yea it should be pretty sweet, he deff shouldn't be fighting right away tho lol to be honest he didn't have the rinnegan at least for 40rs so he has to be some what rusty with the rinnegan. kishi should have made him practice before going to get the kyuubi

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

alot of jutsu's .. alot of power.. overall madness lol.. i think madara will b much more affective with the rinnegan.

Not only effective Madara said that the Rinnegan was his to begin with so we can say that he had the Rinnegan for quite some time. So not only Madara knows all the bad ass techs of the Sharingan MS and EMS but most probably he also knows all the secret techs of the Rinnegan which even Nagato didn't knew of. Kishi is making Madara a bit too powerful but I guess Sasuke and Naruto will eventually get to that level as well.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

Why does it matter if tobi gets the rinnegan? is gonna be defeated either way by naruto

 

[jabznaruto]

the paths i was refuring to are pains technique witch utilizes 7th paths. Im not linking them to the paths of becomming s06p. I agree with u nagato is just 1 of the 6th paths and not 1 of the so6o. I expalined the difference in a previous post.

For the ppl who says nagato is the 3rd so6p..Heres my question, how can nagato be the 3rd? if anything hes 4th due to the following line up,

1. rikudou senin

2. rikudou senin oldest son

3. madara

4. nagato

But I already stated thats theres only 1 true so6p and that was rikudou senin himself. To become a true s06p one must obtained all 6th paths.

Thanks Yuki!

I got what you meant re the 7 pains' path.
And I guess you are also correct re nagato as the 3rd path. It is really moot and academic that by saying nagato as the 3rd path is very different than saying nagato as the 3rd SO6P -- here, I vouch for your correctness.

I, however, am very interested of your Buddhist Paths. Please have an elaboration -- this is re your 7 pains' path. I assume this would be Japanese Buddhism, not any other culture -- I am equally interested if it is a mixture of both or any of that extent.

Looking forward Yuki... and many thanks for the clarification.

chapter 467 pages 15-16:

-rikudo defeated the juubi
-sealed the juubi's chakra inside him becoming the first jinchuuriki
-juubi's body(just body, no chakra) was incarcerated by so6p in the moon
-before he died, so6p divided juubi's chakra forming the nine bijuus

another thing in this chapter: madara himself states that he wants to become the next juubi jinchuuriki..I just saw that...so maybe I am right with another path: the juubi!!

Hi there Snake Oro!

Your chapter specification was accurate..thanks a lot!

Now we could deliberate..that at one point you are correct..at another I am as well. Maybe, we differ at how we deliver our understanding.

1. rikudo defeated the juubi... you were right. But, I meant when I said the SO6P was not the jinchuuriki...was "when he fought the juubi" the SO6P was still NOT a jinchuuriki. you were right by saying ... the SO6P "became" a jinchuuriki when he defeated the monster that was the juubi.
Let us now have a mutual understanding with this... THE SO6P WAS NOT A JINCHUURIKI, HE BECAME A JINCHUURIKI. This is very clear in the chapter you specify.
2. sealed the juubi's chakra inside him becoming the first jinchuuriki...this is very clear as you put it. And I repeat, the SO6P was not a jinchuuriki prior to their fight..., he "became" what you meant -- after winning the fight and sealed the monster's power inside him.
3. -juubi's body(just body, no chakra) was incarcerated by so6p in the moon... according to the storyline, the juubi's body was sealed away and sent to the sky so nobody could reach it, and it became the moon. We would'nt know if the SO6P, now the jinchuuriki, was the one who did this -- seems unclear in the chapter. Because, in his deathbed, he knew that the juubi's power was so great that it leaked out -- might find it's way to the juubi's original body again.

Fearing this,
4. before he died, so6p divided juubi's chakra forming the nine bijuus...
..with his last remaining power, he divided the juubi's power to 9 tailed beasts (as we know chakra and will) -- so, maybe he was the one who did the moon,, -- but did not incarcerate or imprison the juubi in the moon. The juubi became the moon.

5. lastly .. (your) another thing in this chapter: madara himself states that he wants to become the next juubi jinchuuriki..I just saw that...so maybe I am right with another path: the juubi!!
..you're right, madara is ambitious...he wants to be the next jinchuuriki.
..madara is a liar! he lied to sasuke re the 9 tails attack in konoha. he hid the truth that he was behind the attack..agree??.
madara can never be the SO6P.

but...here we really differ... the juubi --as another path ,, of the SO6P?
I believe not... and it won't be.. it is clear in the storyline, even in between the lines.

My friend in opinion and in ideas Snake Oro...
I am correct in saying the SO6P was not a jinchuuriki... you are correct when you said "he became the first jinchuuriki".
I would clarify, though, that The Sage of the Six Path was SO6P without the juubi. The juubi was a monster with great chakra power that he defeated, and he then sealed that tremendous power in him,, making him the first host, the first jinchuuriki...agree??

Now, going back to the paths... this is getting very exciting...

We have theories re the paths...attack my paths as I will with your paths.
I will start now..

**your juubi as a path -- for me is a "no-no". Remember that MShark attacked this theory of yours. Why?, because as I clarified above, the SO6P was the SO6P --"without the juubi". There was six paths.."without your juubi". How I wish I could make you agree .. my friend.

'til your next post.

 

[TairyHesticles]

my thoughts pertaining to the series and not just this one chapter:

we'll start off with Madara..now I know everybody is in full belief that the person behind the mask is madara but I do not believe that to be true. If it it really is him then whats the whole deal with covering up your face?! I believe the person behind the mask is the 4 Mizukage..the reason being was in the previous chapter when "Madara" revealed his face to Kisame and Kisame said "Lord Mizu..I mean Madara". I know this may sound crazy but I think using some type of jutsu Madara trasnferred himself (his spirit) into the 4th Mizukage?!

That leads me to the next topic..What was in the coffin that Kabuto showed Madara?!
I say it was Madara's body and thats why Madara said "where'd you get that". Now one of my friends suggested that it was impossible for madara to be alive and have your spirit/body brought back but then I told him that nagato's body wasn't even buried and Kabuto brought him back so now thats kind of ruled out. My friend also suggested what was in that coffin was madara's brother. I think that def could be a possibility but i'm not too sure. He also said that it could be the Sage Of The Six Paths which would be a really great twist.

another random thought..I believe the Gedo Mazo is the Jubii hence the 9 eyes and that blindfold..again just another random thought..

I honestly can't assume anything anymore at this point because i'm kind of lost where everything will lead too lol...you have Madara and his "Moons Eye Plan", then Sasuke who is a pawn, also the secret power Itachi gave to Naruto...when it comes down to it I think Kabuto will be the final villain in all of this unless Kishimoto decides to extend the storyline. All in all these are just ideas and there's really no proof behind these ideas. I'm just hoping that some of my questions and theories will be answered soon lol..as epic as the whole plot is Kishimoto should script a film lol I think it'd be really good.

 

[ReaperDan]

my thoughts pertaining to the series and not just this one chapter:

we'll start off with Madara..now I know everybody is in full belief that the person behind the mask is madara but I do not believe that to be true. If it it really is him then whats the whole deal with covering up your face?! I believe the person behind the mask is the 4 Mizukage..the reason being was in the previous chapter when "Madara" revealed his face to Kisame and Kisame said "Lord Mizu..I mean Madara". I know this may sound crazy but I think using some type of jutsu Madara trasnferred himself (his spirit) into the 4th Mizukage?!

That leads me to the next topic..What was in the coffin that Kabuto showed Madara?!
I say it was Madara's body and thats why Madara said "where'd you get that". Now one of my friends suggested that it was impossible for madara to be alive and have your spirit/body brought back but then I told him that nagato's body wasn't even buried and Kabuto brought him back so now thats kind of ruled out. My friend also suggested what was in that coffin was madara's brother. I think that def could be a possibility but i'm not too sure. He also said that it could be the Sage Of The Six Paths which would be a really great twist.

another random thought..I believe the Gedo Mazo is the Jubii hence the 9 eyes and that blindfold..again just another random thought..

I honestly can't assume anything anymore at this point because i'm kind of lost where everything will lead too lol...you have Madara and his "Moons Eye Plan", then Sasuke who is a pawn, also the secret power Itachi gave to Naruto...when it comes down to it I think Kabuto will be the final villain in all of this unless Kishimoto decides to extend the storyline. All in all these are just ideas and there's really no proof behind these ideas. I'm just hoping that some of my questions and theories will be answered soon lol..as epic as the whole plot is Kishimoto should script a film lol I think it'd be really good.

I can see most of what you said highly probable.I just might take your whole Mizukage and Madara spirit transfer thing seriously. That sounds like the most probable thing. But I really don't think it's possible for the Sage of Six Paths to be resurrected. You would think it would be like resurrecting a God or something. Which shouldn't be possible. It would make sense that the Mizukage was who he got his Senju DNA from. And could only do it by taking his body therefor gaining access to the Rinnegan and taking his ETM eyes out of his original body. Giving Madara the power of both the Rinnegan and Eternal Mangekyo whenever he chooses. Unless he was somehow able to combine the two. Which is possible when looking at how his new mask resembles the eye of the Ten Tails with the Rinnegan ripples and Tao's.

 

[snake orochimaru]

Hi there Snake Oro!

Your chapter specification was accurate..thanks a lot!

Now we could deliberate..that at one point you are correct..at another I am as well. Maybe, we differ at how we deliver our understanding.

1. rikudo defeated the juubi... you were right. But, I meant when I said the SO6P was not the jinchuuriki...was "when he fought the juubi" the SO6P was still NOT a jinchuuriki. you were right by saying ... the SO6P "became" a jinchuuriki when he defeated the monster that was the juubi.
Let us now have a mutual understanding with this... THE SO6P WAS NOT A JINCHUURIKI, HE BECAME A JINCHUURIKI. This is very clear in the chapter you specify.
2. sealed the juubi's chakra inside him becoming the first jinchuuriki...this is very clear as you put it. And I repeat, the SO6P was not a jinchuuriki prior to their fight..., he "became" what you meant -- after winning the fight and sealed the monster's power inside him.
3. -juubi's body(just body, no chakra) was incarcerated by so6p in the moon... according to the storyline, the juubi's body was sealed away and sent to the sky so nobody could reach it, and it became the moon. We would'nt know if the SO6P, now the jinchuuriki, was the one who did this -- seems unclear in the chapter. Because, in his deathbed, he knew that the juubi's power was so great that it leaked out -- might find it's way to the juubi's original body again.

Fearing this,
4. before he died, so6p divided juubi's chakra forming the nine bijuus...
..with his last remaining power, he divided the juubi's power to 9 tailed beasts (as we know chakra and will) -- so, maybe he was the one who did the moon,, -- but did not incarcerate or imprison the juubi in the moon. The juubi became the moon.

5. lastly .. (your) another thing in this chapter: madara himself states that he wants to become the next juubi jinchuuriki..I just saw that...so maybe I am right with another path: the juubi!!
..you're right, madara is ambitious...he wants to be the next jinchuuriki.
..madara is a liar! he lied to sasuke re the 9 tails attack in konoha. he hid the truth that he was behind the attack..agree??.
madara can never be the SO6P.

but...here we really differ... the juubi --as another path ,, of the SO6P?
I believe not... and it won't be.. it is clear in the storyline, even in between the lines.

My friend in opinion and in ideas Snake Oro...
I am correct in saying the SO6P was not a jinchuuriki... you are correct when you said "he became the first jinchuuriki".
I would clarify, though, that The Sage of the Six Path was SO6P without the juubi. The juubi was a monster with great chakra power that he defeated, and he then sealed that tremendous power in him,, making him the first host, the first jinchuuriki...agree??

Now, going back to the paths... this is getting very exciting...

We have theories re the paths...attack my paths as I will with your paths.
I will start now..

**your juubi as a path -- for me is a "no-no". Remember that MShark attacked this theory of yours. Why?, because as I clarified above, the SO6P was the SO6P --"without the juubi". There was six paths.."without your juubi". How I wish I could make you agree .. my friend.

'til your next post.

hi there jabznaruto.

you are right about the so6p. he was so6p before defeating the juubi....my bad!! I admit that juubi can't be a path. about the moon thing, nagato himself states that so6p created the moon(during the fight with naruto): so6p used chibaku tensei, the same technique that nagato used to try and catch naruto(konan tells nagato to be careful and he says that compared to rikudo's moon, this is nothing). if we observe the technique and listen(read) to what nagato said, it's clear that juubi's body was traped in the moon and didn't became the moon.

 

[KiiroiSenko]

They need to learn naruto a more wide range of different types of jutsus instead of focusing on power, i didnt really understand the purpose of rasenshuriken, an odama rasengan would alreay 1 hit ko someone right?

 

[jabznaruto]

hi there jabznaruto.

you are right about the so6p. he was so6p before defeating the juubi....my bad!! I admit that juubi can't be a path. about the moon thing, nagato himself states that so6p created the moon(during the fight with naruto): so6p used chibaku tensei, the same technique that nagato used to try and catch naruto(konan tells nagato to be careful and he says that compared to rikudo's moon, this is nothing). if we observe the technique and listen(read) to what nagato said, it's clear that juubi's body was traped in the moon and didn't became the moon.

Good thought Snake Oro!!

Nagato did say the SO6P created the moon. I just wonder... where did nagato get this knowledge? When did he know? Who told him?? Was he able to read the script of the SO6P...-- but the scripts were under konoha as mentioned ..right?? I am kind of lost here. But you might be correct that the SO6P created the moon indeed, and trapped the juubi there.
Yet, in the chapter you told me... it was clear that " the juubi became the moon. Please take a look again.

The juubi monster was an intriguing character.. it might be worth including in our theories someday..

...I guess we agreed that the juubi is now out of your equation.
What would be your 6th path..my friend?

 

[garymaru]

Why does it matter if tobi gets the rinnegan? is gonna be defeated either way by naruto

yep it doesnt matter much, bt it will make Naruto manga more interesting.

 

[jabznaruto]

They need to learn naruto a more wide range of different types of jutsus instead of focusing on power, i didnt really understand the purpose of rasenshuriken, an odama rasengan would alreay 1 hit ko someone right?

Hi Kiiroi!

Rasenshuriken is more powerful than the OOdama rasengan. Rasenshuriken expands.. it can be thrown.
But you're correct, both jutsus are 1 hit KO when used. Both are shape manipulated, both are potent in terms of kill.
Rasenshuriken, though, inflicts greater damage. Look what happened to kakuzu. The thin chakra rotations can't be even be counted..even that of kakashi's sharingan..i believe that even the SO6P's rinnegan(my opinion).

Rasenshuriken by far is the best jutsu there is. We await madara's "that jutsu"...but it is still unreal...madara will be defeated anyways.

hi there jabznaruto.

you are right about the so6p. he was so6p before defeating the juubi....my bad!! I admit that juubi can't be a path. about the moon thing, nagato himself states that so6p created the moon(during the fight with naruto): so6p used chibaku tensei, the same technique that nagato used to try and catch naruto(konan tells nagato to be careful and he says that compared to rikudo's moon, this is nothing). if we observe the technique and listen(read) to what nagato said, it's clear that juubi's body was traped in the moon and didn't became the moon.

BTW Snake Oro..

Don't feel bad about your juubi path... we will try to establish it differently next time.
And.. what do you mean by.."THE MOTHER OF STUPID PEOPLE IS ALWAYS PREGNANT?" I am quite intrigue.

I can see most of what you said highly probable.I just might take your whole Mizukage and Madara spirit transfer thing seriously. That sounds like the most probable thing. But I really don't think it's possible for the Sage of Six Paths to be resurrected. You would think it would be like resurrecting a God or something. Which shouldn't be possible. It would make sense that the Mizukage was who he got his Senju DNA from. And could only do it by taking his body therefor gaining access to the Rinnegan and taking his ETM eyes out of his original body. Giving Madara the power of both the Rinnegan and Eternal Mangekyo whenever he chooses. Unless he was somehow able to combine the two. Which is possible when looking at how his new mask resembles the eye of the Ten Tails with the Rinnegan ripples and Tao's.

Hi ReaperDan!

Can I join the prey? - this means joining your interesting discussion.

Madara and Mizukage were seen together with Kisame in the storylines.
The mist must be that important to madara.

But as TairyHesticles put it.. spirit transfer is one great jutsu. And it is very possible for the likes of madara. Life-spirit is one condition for resurrection. This is the essence of EDO Tensei--just an opinion. As for madara to control another body..is highly probable..like bunshin tech.

As for Kabuto's last coffin.. yes, I do think that it was the SO6P's body. It is also possible, if and only if Kabuto mastered the art.

Re the ten tails' resemblance to madara's new mask..this is also symbolical. but madara cannot control the bijuu like the SO6P...and madara cannot be the SO6P.

They need to learn naruto a more wide range of different types of jutsus instead of focusing on power, i didnt really understand the purpose of rasenshuriken, an odama rasengan would alreay 1 hit ko someone right?

OOdama though was not used by Naruto in sage mode. It would be very interesting to see this version.. right Kiiroi?!!

 

[garymaru]

They need to learn naruto a more wide range of different types of jutsus instead of focusing on power, i didnt really understand the purpose of rasenshuriken, an odama rasengan would alreay 1 hit ko someone right?

hey there Kiiroi,

Yes Naruto s a medium and small range attacker all right(since he s a Wind type), bt learning a wide range att. s quite diffclt. 4 hm since hs a wind element(he may learn bt wont b 2 effective).
But if u compare RasenShuriken with OdamaRasengan then RS is stronger.
NINJAS lyk Madara, Sasuke n more wont b defeated easily by OR( or s still an incomplete tech., bt RS s Complete) RS destroys d Chakra Nerves inside d body also bt OR cant. RS s dangerous evn Naruto hs 2 use it only in Sage mode(2-3 times) If he uses 2much in normal mode he will end up lyk orichimaru(not b able 2 uses any jutsu).

C u again Senko.

 

[OopsWrongHole]

All I am wondering about at this point is the 6 paths.

Just to clarify that the Juubi is not at all a path because the Sage of the Six Paths was already the 'Sage of the Six Paths' before he got the Juubi power.

But what has been bugging my mind & as I have said ages ago I do not believe the Sage of the Six Paths could just be merely human.


Madara says he is a former shell of himself & he was betrayed by Nagato because Nagato was meant to use that rebirth technique (I forgot what it was called) on Madara?

I don't know how to put this because I am quite tired but what if to achieve Madara's goal in being the new Sage of the Six Paths, He had to somehow die? But by this I mean not actually dying like a normal death but more or less, his body dying but his spirit survives?

I do believe the Sage of the Six Paths was not human and some sort of spirit in a way and that is what Madara somehow accomplished and this is why he has jars full of Sharingans because he is using some sort of made up body that Zetsu can create (This could explain how Madara gooey body can be repaired) & that his spirit lays within this fake body and he uses his mass storage of Sharingans because his own EMS died along with his original body.

By this

It could explain why he has lived so long
Why he is able to continuously repair himself
& to explain why he wanted Nagato to use that rebirth or whatever it called technique to bring him back to life 'properly?'

Anyway not sure if any of it makes sense but sorry