[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 511 Discussion / 512 Predictions

[snake orochimaru]

Good day Snake Oro Sannin!

...others are invited to join the discussion, especially MShark, 4bdN, Haris7, Sennin Jinchuuriki, Yukimaru Yoshi et al..

It was a good elaboration Snake Oro..
Your unification of eye powers and the dna of clans tracing back to the rikudo sennin's sons -- were great theories of the paths.

Going back with the eye powers -- I think that rinnegan is the best, BUT, we all know that kishi could possibly inject byakugan and sharingan as equally potent in terms of power. The idea I would like to stress here is that "the eye power" depends on "the USER".
Unification is a good term.. but a deeper thought would be "evolution" of these eye powers. Byakugan or Sharingan or Rinnegan could evolve into a more powerful doujutsu -- even though we all know these eye powers are somewhat interconnected in lineal terms (without questioning whichever comes first). Storylines state.. Rinnegan was the SO6P's eyes..and that is a fact not an opinion. However, we could have a theory of byakugan evolving to rinnegan..or sharingan to rinnegan. Interesting right?
In the manga's storylines state too that... nagato's rinnegan was not as powerful as that of the SO6P's rinnegan-- agree??
Then madara said that nagato was the 3rd path...
...according to you(pls correct me) nagato's rinnegan is the 3rd path
...in my views, it was "nagato's SACRIFICE" that seemed to be the path and rinnegan was just a token of this path.

In short, rinnegan is the most powerful eye doujutsu -- but it still "the USER" who emphasize this power( in this case, SO6P > nagato, therefore nagato is not the SO6P's reincarnation).

With the body part,,
I like your "emphasis" of the "dna" -- the blueprint of the body, of life, of the path. The senju and the uchiha clan's dna + juubi = the path. nice one...
But I really think that the SO6P was not the jinchuuriki of all the bijuu's chakra and will. I guess that the juubi is one of his powers, but not his path.

Yukimaru Yoshi's Buddhist paths are also interesting. But did you mean 7 pains = 7 paths Yuki? nagato is the 7t pain, the controller of life and death within a span of limited time.. but is not a path, neither are his other pains I think. Please elaborate..

Snake Oro.. one question for the day.. when you equate juubi to the "dna" thing.. which jinchuuriki's dna were you refering?
I hope to discuss with you, my 2nd path - Hatred - next time.

til then

hello jabznaruto.

when I was talking about dna and juubi I was reffering strictly to rikudo...it's stated in the manga(don't know what chapter) that he was the first jinchuuriki. to have the body, one would need his dna(the dna of the 2 clans) and all the tailed beasts to combine them and revive juubi's chakra(because we know that s06p created the moon to incarcerate juubi's body).
as for the USER thing you are absolutely right: nagato himself admits that s06p was much stronger than him. and we can see that when he tries to catch naruto with chibaku tensei, creating a very small replica of the moon and failing.
looking forward to your next post. bye!

 

[Mystikk]

I think theres a little relation but i wouldn't count on it. pains 6th paths was a technique he used. Theres actually 7 paths with nagato being the 7th path

1st path. Diva aka yahiko
2nd path. Animal aka summoning
3rd path. Hungry aka absorbing
4th path. asura aka missles/laser head etc
5th path. naraka aka the judgement
6th path. Human aka the one who can read mines
7th path. Nagato himself in which he controls life and death (rinne tensei technique)

pains paths are based on six Buddhist paths of Reincarnation so I dont think it dirrectly has a link between the paths needed to obtain so6p powers. (just my opinion)

Yea i dont think that either.. I believe that the rinnegan gives you the power to control deceased ninjas.. and the user can pick who ever he wants his paths to be or represent.. also he can see 6 different paths threw 6 different people.

one thing does keep me mind boggled tho.. if naruto is going to be the sage of the 6 paths.. what will it represent in terms of power or eyes??? what would be his 6 paths??? and would he need the rinnegan to be considered a so6p??

How will he control 6 different paths without the rinnegan??? maybe if he finds a way to mix his sagemode with rikudo mode, he will unlock new ocular eyes.. just a thought .. the fox's chakra has to effect more than his speed an strength especially if he can sense evil now.. when he was face to face with nagato his sage eyes changed when the fox chakra started leaking out... so maybe he will get some new eyes better than them all lol!!

 

[astridian]

Host like Bee Don't effect GENJUTSU!

 

[jabznaruto]

hello jabznaruto.

when I was talking about dna and juubi I was reffering strictly to rikudo...it's stated in the manga(don't know what chapter) that he was the first jinchuuriki. to have the body, one would need his dna(the dna of the 2 clans) and all the tailed beasts to combine them and revive juubi's chakra(because we know that s06p created the moon to incarcerate juubi's body).
as for the USER thing you are absolutely right: nagato himself admits that s06p was much stronger than him. and we can see that when he tries to catch naruto with chibaku tensei, creating a very small replica of the moon and failing.
looking forward to your next post. bye!

I really want to get back at that chapter. I almost based my theories with the premise that SO6P was not the jinchuuriki of the juubi. Please help me out with what storyline was it.

But, why did you say "incarcerate" the juubi when SO6P created the moon -- if he himself was the jinchuuriki. Why "the moon"? just in case you haven't asked yourself for a thought.
Correct me.. If I were the host of the greatest weapon that is the bijuu, I won't create "a moon" -- to house my power (this seems illogical).
Moon.. in symbolism is another level of power. It trancends reality in meanings and sanity. I find it hard to equate it in the manga's storyline.

Anyway, we are about to read the next chapter. I expect to read about madara more. This a coincidence since I told you we could discuss re my 2nd path.

Love to hear from you again Snake Oro..

btw I rated 511 @ 3. The chapter is similar to a bridge.. I think it will connect us at a more exciting level in this time of the storyline.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

yah i know rinnegan seems to be the most powerful eye but its strange not to exist no one holder of rinnegen, instead there is much sharingan's holders, and also it seemed that madara controled nagato like he controled the kyuuby, thats why that i think the history seems to try and make the sharingan the most powerful why because of all their different powers, sharingan, ms, ems, etc, but i never seen any variations on byakugan or rinnengan.

And i know that kakashy didnt say that byakugan was stronger, but the description he made it looked like it was stronger, by saying byakugan could see things sharingan doesnt and also byakugan has a big radius of watching, thats why i said that, they made us look that neji was the strongest and then he almost disapered.

The thing is when a new power or any new character is shown Kishi showed us in such a way that it is invincible but later we find other stronger techs or people same goes with Byakugan. And Rinnegan is the most powerful eye and that's why there has been only a handful who has used the Rinnegan.

 

[garymaru]

the only time we ever here the word Sage other then The 6 Paths is when it had 2 do with summon jutzu like the TOAD SAGE

is it possible that since Nagato was able to summon as his ultimate power that the 6 Paths are related to summoning techniques ???
Just a guess
would love sum feedback

I dont thnk d so6p depends on summning technique.
According 2 me Hashirama senju, Madara, Nagato, Naruto N 2 more Ninjas is d so6p (read ch 510) itz jus according 2 me.

but why madara let naruto to full control the kyubi its doesnt mke sense if he knows nuruto will gonna be so strong???? lol =)

Madara needed Sasuke, Sasuke took long time 2 get strong enough 2 kill itachi, Naruto jus got more strong in d process.

 

[snake orochimaru]

I really want to get back at that chapter. I almost based my theories with the premise that SO6P was not the jinchuuriki of the juubi. Please help me out with what storyline was it.

But, why did you say "incarcerate" the juubi when SO6P created the moon -- if he himself was the jinchuuriki. Why "the moon"? just in case you haven't asked yourself for a thought.
Correct me.. If I were the host of the greatest weapon that is the bijuu, I won't create "a moon" -- to house my power (this seems illogical).
Moon.. in symbolism is another level of power. It trancends reality in meanings and sanity. I find it hard to equate it in the manga's storyline.

Anyway, we are about to read the next chapter. I expect to read about madara more. This a coincidence since I told you we could discuss re my 2nd path.

Love to hear from you again Snake Oro..

btw I rated 511 @ 3. The chapter is similar to a bridge.. I think it will connect us at a more exciting level in this time of the storyline.

chapter 467 pages 15-16:

-rikudo defeated the juubi
-sealed the juubi's chakra inside him becoming the first jinchuuriki
-juubi's body(just body, no chakra) was incarcerated by so6p in the moon
-before he died, so6p divided juubi's chakra forming the nine bijuus

another thing in this chapter: madara himself states that he wants to become the next juubi jinchuuriki..I just saw that...so maybe I am right with another path: the juubi!!

 

[Toby Uchiha]

By the way, to mention another issue.. i just wanted to say that the 1-week-break for the Naruto Manga was senseless because, according to ***********, the information is: "We have Jump raws in hand finally, we'll work as fast as possible. The 'Bench' one-shot won't be out until next week." Screw you, Kishi.

 

[Talm11]

The only problem is that the nine tails should be sealed last so the statue wont crumble..not? eh so madara should be going for killer-bee and not naruto...is it manga mistake?

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

Good day Snake Oro Sannin!

...others are invited to join the discussion, especially MShark, 4bdN, Haris7, Sennin Jinchuuriki, Yukimaru Yoshi et al..

It was a good elaboration Snake Oro..
Your unification of eye powers and the dna of clans tracing back to the rikudo sennin's sons -- were great theories of the paths.

Going back with the eye powers -- I think that rinnegan is the best, BUT, we all know that kishi could possibly inject byakugan and sharingan as equally potent in terms of power. The idea I would like to stress here is that "the eye power" depends on "the USER".
Unification is a good term.. but a deeper thought would be "evolution" of these eye powers. Byakugan or Sharingan or Rinnegan could evolve into a more powerful doujutsu -- even though we all know these eye powers are somewhat interconnected in lineal terms (without questioning whichever comes first). Storylines state.. Rinnegan was the SO6P's eyes..and that is a fact not an opinion. However, we could have a theory of byakugan evolving to rinnegan..or sharingan to rinnegan. Interesting right?
In the manga's storylines state too that... nagato's rinnegan was not as powerful as that of the SO6P's rinnegan-- agree??
Then madara said that nagato was the 3rd path...
...according to you(pls correct me) nagato's rinnegan is the 3rd path
...in my views, it was "nagato's SACRIFICE" that seemed to be the path and rinnegan was just a token of this path.

In short, rinnegan is the most powerful eye doujutsu -- but it still "the USER" who emphasize this power( in this case, SO6P > nagato, therefore nagato is not the SO6P's reincarnation).

With the body part,,
I like your "emphasis" of the "dna" -- the blueprint of the body, of life, of the path. The senju and the uchiha clan's dna + juubi = the path. nice one...
But I really think that the SO6P was not the jinchuuriki of all the bijuu's chakra and will. I guess that the juubi is one of his powers, but not his path.

Yukimaru Yoshi's Buddhist paths are also interesting. But did you mean 7 pains = 7 paths Yuki? nagato is the 7t pain, the controller of life and death within a span of limited time.. but is not a path, neither are his other pains I think. Please elaborate..

Snake Oro.. one question for the day.. when you equate juubi to the "dna" thing.. which jinchuuriki's dna were you refering?
I hope to discuss with you, my 2nd path - Hatred - next time.

til then

the paths i was refuring to are pains technique witch utilizes 7th paths. Im not linking them to the paths of becomming s06p. I agree with u nagato is just 1 of the 6th paths and not 1 of the so6o. I expalined the difference in a previous post.

For the ppl who says nagato is the 3rd so6p..Heres my question, how can nagato be the 3rd? if anything hes 4th due to the following line up,

1. rikudou senin

2. rikudou senin oldest son

3. madara

4. nagato

But I already stated thats theres only 1 true so6p and that was rikudou senin himself. To become a true s06p one must obtained all 6th paths.

The only problem is that the nine tails should be sealed last so the statue wont crumble..not? eh so madara should be going for killer-bee and not naruto...is it manga mistake?

no its not a mistake, naruto and bee are on the same islands so he can get both of them one time, but madara just says time to get the nine tails so we could understand his motives and his current power a little better. Him and the nine tails have a long history together, he makes it seem like the nine tails is his pet.

Madara needed Sasuke, Sasuke took long time 2 get strong enough 2 kill itachi, Naruto jus got more strong in d process.

Madara doesn't really know what naruto is capable. Also, madara must truely believe his power to not really make it a big deal. Madara doesn't even know what the 8tails capable of doing. If madara knew the 8tails could fully control his bijuu I think he would be a little bit worried, but again he believes in his power. We never see madara act worried, hes always calm even when hes in danger.

Yea i dont think that either.. I believe that the rinnegan gives you the power to control deceased ninjas.. and the user can pick who ever he wants his paths to be or represent.. also he can see 6 different paths threw 6 different people.

one thing does keep me mind boggled tho.. if naruto is going to be the sage of the 6 paths.. what will it represent in terms of power or eyes??? what would be his 6 paths??? and would he need the rinnegan to be considered a so6p??

How will he control 6 different paths without the rinnegan??? maybe if he finds a way to mix his sagemode with rikudo mode, he will unlock new ocular eyes.. just a thought .. the fox's chakra has to effect more than his speed an strength especially if he can sense evil now.. when he was face to face with nagato his sage eyes changed when the fox chakra started leaking out... so maybe he will get some new eyes better than them all lol!!

If naruto did become the 6th paths, he doesn't have to create different bodies, the only reason why different bodies were created was because nagato had used that gedo summon tech back when he was younger and it made him physically weak. Before he created the different paths/bodies nagato could use all of the power of the paths. Also to add, he created differen't bodies due to the fact that more rinnegans gave a better advantage in a fight because they all shared the same vision. If we apply the logic of 2 is better then 1 then im sure ull get why there was 6 bodies instead of just 1.

 

[Haris7]

yah i know rinnegan seems to be the most powerful eye but its strange not to exist no one holder of rinnegen, instead there is much sharingan's holders, and also it seemed that madara controled nagato like he controled the kyuuby, thats why that i think the history seems to try and make the sharingan the most powerful why because of all their different powers, sharingan, ms, ems, etc, but i never seen any variations on byakugan or rinnengan.

And i know that kakashy didnt say that byakugan was stronger, but the description he made it looked like it was stronger, by saying byakugan could see things sharingan doesnt and also byakugan has a big radius of watching, thats why i said that, they made us look that neji was the strongest and then he almost disapered.

that (and the way madara repeats that those rinegan eyes are his) makes me think about something very absurd, but lets give it a try ... how do you get the rinegan? maybe madara mixed the rinegan in nagatos eyes like using byakugan and sharingan to form rinegan. its only an idea and it has not to be those 2 eyes .. but nejis father was taken for what and the uchihas are :flaw: so there where a lot of eyes oh crap xd

cant wait to see the next episode there is to much we dont know

Madara doesn't really know what naruto is capable. Also, madara must truely believe his power to not really make it a big deal. Madara doesn't even know what the 8tails capable of doing. If madara knew the 8tails could fully control his bijuu I think he would be a little bit worried, but again he believes in his power. We never see madara act worried, hes always calm even when hes in danger.

no madara knows that be can controll the 8 tails ...

chapter 458 page 3

besides kisame fought against the 8 tails and after that,by folling his own death, gathered all info from the island to send to madara

 

[donnic]

-_- i HATE it when you have to wait another week for a new chapter! hope the chapter will be good!

 

[mycamerabroke]

I completely forgot that there is no naruto this week! When I woke up this morning I was REALLY disappointed... As for my predictions for the next issue, or rather, what I really want to see next is as follows: sasuke's new eyes, kakashi because I haven't seen him in a while and madara's face. Also, I can't really explain but I have a feeling that when sasuke realizes what madara intends to do next (get naruto) they will get in a big dispute because doesn't sasuke want to take on naruto when they are both at their best? Or maybe madara is getting naruto for the sole reason to have sasuke and naruto duke it out since he does have his new eyes... What are your thoughts on this?

 

[Raised Fist]

I completely forgot that there is no naruto this week! When I woke up this morning I was REALLY disappointed... As for my predictions for the next issue, or rather, what I really want to see next is as follows: sasuke's new eyes, kakashi because I haven't seen him in a while and madara's face. Also, I can't really explain but I have a feeling that when sasuke realizes what madara intends to do next (get naruto) they will get in a big dispute because doesn't sasuke want to take on naruto when they are both at their best? Or maybe madara is getting naruto for the sole reason to have sasuke and naruto duke it out since he does have his new eyes... What are your thoughts on this?

yeah, i thought the same. but now i hink that madaras statement about getting naruto does not necessarily mean that he himself wants to fight naruto. it may just be that after defeating konan now is the right time for somebody (sasuke) to get him and madara watching the fight.

an other option is that not sasuke nor madara will fight naruto soon. it looks like kishi to make us think a big fight between naruto and madara is coming and then the story just takes an other direction. we never now

 

[danivass]

I think Madara can not afford Sasuke killing Naruto as he needs Naruto alive but extremely weakened and unconscious if he wants to extract the nine-tails. Remember when the other jinchuuriki were captured they were all just barely alive. And Sasuke said he wanted to kill Naruto himself.
By the way, I have another unlikely theory. We saw how Naruto went into whatever mode. What if by taking the Rinnegan Madara got a whatever type 2 mode And that is why his mask now hides his whole head - to cover up when he uses it/ to hide it from others. What do you guys think? Impossible or just improbable?

 

[Raised Fist]

just because sasuke wants to kill naruto does not mean madara intends to let him do so. IF madara plans to let the two fight against each other i'm sure he could stop it whenever he wants to and just take the weakened naruto with him. and a weakind sasuke could not to so much against that

 

[mycamerabroke]

I think Madara can not afford Sasuke killing Naruto as he needs Naruto alive but extremely weakened and unconscious if he wants to extract the nine-tails. Remember when the other jinchuuriki were captured they were all just barely alive. And Sasuke said he wanted to kill Naruto himself.
By the way, I have another unlikely theory. We saw how Naruto went into whatever mode. What if by taking the Rinnegan Madara got a whatever type 2 mode And that is why his mask now hides his whole head - to cover up when he uses it/ to hide it from others. What do you guys think? Impossible or just improbable?

I don't think he got a new " mode" per say, but rather just some new powers. The mask is just a way to show us how he is slowly progressing in power... Just my thoughts.

 

[7BoroR7]

where new manga is ????? :O

 

[Narutofan123457]

where new manga is ????? :O

sorry no manga this week. Kishi is releasing his new baseball manga.

 

[7BoroR7]

wruaaaaaaaaaw and i hope ill see naruto and madara battle I am angry