Sakon/Ukon vs Sasori of the red sand

[Bob74h]

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sasori can only use his hiruko puppet and sakon/ukon use their curse mark two states

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[minamoto]

this is like cat vs lion fight...
sasori obviosly wins..

 

[StefanGuyver]

Sasori wins this i dont think Sakon or Ukon can come close

 

[Bob74h]

Sasori wins this i dont think Sakon or Ukon can come close

Sakon and ukon tanked, the rashomon gates being destroyed what better feat does sasori have

 

[StefanGuyver]

Sakon and ukon tanked, the rashomon gates being destroyed what better feat does sasori have

Tanking rashomon gates and fighting are 2 different things

 

[Bob74h]

Tanking rashomon gates

does sasori have the feats to handle surviving this, yes or no?

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[StefanGuyver]

does sasori have the feats to handle surviving this, yes or no?

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No

 

[Bob74h]

No

So, Sasori's does not have the power to bypass sakon's durability then?

 

[StefanGuyver]

So, Sasori's does not have the power to bypass sakon's durability then?

You have to know that Sasori is using poison attacks

 

[Infant]

The splitting ability of the brothers should be a perfect counter to poison, but it has to be consciously activated so it is possible to blitz them.

In terms of scaling, Sasori dealt with a Kazekage superior to Gaara using practically the same powers, so with that version of Gaara being able to move sand at explosion speeds (which would be roughly V5 speed level, with Deidara himself physically moving at V3 levels) Sasori is able to either move his body or his puppets at speeds three levels above V2 Raikage. On the other hand, the brothers capped their own power at the level of Kakashi, who as a speedster of V1 levels has that being his best scaling quality, which implies the brothers do not operate beyond V1 speeds. Even looking at their ability, it is extremely close range and so cannot be applied outside of the limitations of their normal speed.

So Sasori can very easily blitz

 

[Kooljay]

So, Sasori's does not have the power to bypass sakon's durability then?

Same could be said about Kankuro. He still solo'd them. Sakon/Ukon are taijutsu users primarily. They arent getting close to Sasori without gets touched.

 

[Bob74h]

Sasori dealt with a Kazekage superior to

The third kazekage was exceptionally strong, Stronger then ether of his predecessors

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The third does not scale above gaara, Only the first two given what the manga itself says

 

[Infant]

The third kazekage was exceptionally strong, Stronger then ether of his predecessors

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The third does not scale above gaara, Only the first two given what the manga itself says

That specific panel says he scales above the first two, but what says he specifically does not scale above Gaara?

Your claim needs evidence.

In terms of my claim, we are also told that Iron Sand is the greatest weapon in the history of the Sand village, which directly puts the 3rd above Gaara. We are also not given any praise for Gaara or Rasa to suggest they surpassed the 3rd, which implies they did not since it is specifically noted when one surpasses others . . .

Why did you not quote the portions I mentioned above, considering they are found close to the part you quoted?

 

[Bob74h]

That specific panel says he scales above the first two, but what says he specifically does not scale above Gaara?

Because, The clarification given in the narrative of the series.
Is that, the third only is above the first two


plus it makes no sense from a scaling perspective
Sasuuke >>> Sakura >> Sasori >> Deidara = Sasuke > Gaara


How can sasuke be equal to deidara and above sakura at the same time when sakura is above sasori who deidara is apparently weaker then?

In terms of my claim, we are also told that Iron Sand is the greatest weapon in the history of the Sand village, which directly puts the 3rd above Gaara.

Shinki from boruto wield iron sand, Is he stronger then rasa and gaara too?
Iron sand is the strongest weapon afterall

 

[Kooljay]

How can sasuke be equal to deidara and above sakura at the same time when sakura is above sasori who deidara is apparently weaker then?

In the manga Sasori would have killed Sakura like 5 times with little effort had Chiyo not intervened. One of those times was the HIruko puppet. Sasori outclasses Chiyo and Sakura and let himself get killed. Unless you're talking about War Arc Sakura.

 

[Bob74h]

In the manga Sasori would have killed Sakura like 5 times with little effort

The same manga has verbatim statements saying that sakura can keep up with sasori


At this point, She no longer needs my support

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Sasori: Quite a big punch for a little girl
Chiyo: She's (Sakura) started to read sasori's offensive pattern

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In manga, Sasori is roughly relative to sakura

 

[Kooljay]

The same manga has verbatim statements saying that sakura can keep up with sasori


At this point, She no longer needs my support

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Sasori: Quite a big punch for a little girl
Chiyo: She's (Sakura) started to read sasori's offensive pattern

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In manga, Sasori is roughly relative to sakura

Feats>Statements

But lets go over every time Sakura would have died had Chiyo did nothing.

Here Sakura its revealed Sakura needed Chiyo to physically control her to dodge the Hiruko's puppets attacks and counter attack. Sakura would have died here had Chiyo not existed.

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Here the Kazekage puppet speed blitzes Sakura and even Chiyo can move her out the way fast enough so she had to move Sakura and pull some puppet debris to block the attack. Sakura would die here without Chiyo.

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Right after that happen, Sakura got blitzed by his multiple arm/hand technique. Chiyo once again had to physically move Sakura so she could avoid it.

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Then Sakura failed to dodge the poison right after and instead had to blow her self up to escape it.

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And then to end the chapter, Sasori launches a barrage of ninja tools at her that Chiyo once again has to block.

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In the next chapter Sakura is too slow to dodge Iron Sand Drizzle and needs Chiyo to user her puppets to move her and block for her. This ruined one of Chiyo's puppets.

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Next Sasori aims for both of them. Chiyo blocks for her self and uses the remaining puppet to block for Sakura. This causes Chiyo to lose her puppet hand and her remaining puppet.

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Sakura then comes to terms with being useless outside of being Chiyo's puppet. And as Chiyo's puppet, she has to physically move Sakura in order for her to dodge his attacks.

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Sakura then fails to successfully dodge his strongest iron sand attack and gets scratched and poisoned. Luckily she had an antidote prepped and was finally able to catch sasori off guard and attack his puppet when he thought she was paralyzed.

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Immediately after she gets blitzed by his cable and scratched. No worries. Her prepped antidote prevents her from being poisoned.

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Sakura punches Sasori when he ignores her and focuses on Chiyo. Sakura's punch is complete ineffective.

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Chiyo then destroys his 1000 puppets because obviously Sakura cannot take on that many puppets. She literally destroys a single puppet.

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Sakura throws Chiyo's sealing ball thing while Sasori is focusing on Chiyo. It fails. Sasori pops up behind Chiyo about to kill her. And after being saved countless times, Sakura blocks the attack with her body and is stabbed instead. However the antidote wore off and Sakura is poisoned and Chiyo has the antidote.

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Finally Chiyo lands a fatal hit on Sasori using knowledge only she knows however Sakura has been hit in a vital organ that cant be healed by their medical ninjutsu and so now Chiyo must literally keep Sakura from dying by giving Sakura her life energy. Sakura gets up and a dying Sasori tanks her punch.

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Sakura tells Chiyo she did it. Chiyo admits she was outclassed and that Sasori let himself be killed. The end.

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So now that I basically posted their entire fight, you will see that Sakura was SEVERELY outclassed. Without Chiyo, Sasori kills her with little effort. By my count, Sakura should have died 12 times during that fight had she not had chiyo or prepped. Most of the time it was due to her being speed blitzed by Sasori or his jutsu. Only 1 time did Sakura save her self and that was when she blew herself up. Based on feats she is not on Sasori's level at that point in time. Sakura was a solid Chuunin level shinobi who could barely pass the bell test against Kakashi with Naruto's assistance. And they didnt even pass that because of their skills. They passed because Kakashi is a perv. Sasori is a solid S class ninja who hunts bijuu and kages. Without Chiyo, Sakura is fodder to him.

The anime and video games had Sakura looking like a badass but in Kishimoto's manga written by him, she was basically fodder.

 

[Troi]

Sakon and ukon tanked, the rashomon gates being destroyed what better feat does sasori have

Idk maybe giant needles of iron sand the size of boss summons? Maybe that. Iron sand burial. Iron sand Rotating burial pyramids…

idk.

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does sasori have the feats to handle surviving this, yes or no?

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Yes actually he can just transport his heart with oncoming attacks.

 

[Bob74h]

Feats>Statements

Going by that logic, you cant even hold sasori above deidara as a position to begin with but irony never dawns on hypocrites
Legit nukes him, But ig statements are above shown feats when it's convenient to ''the message''

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Here the Kazekage puppet speed blitzes Sakura and even Chiyo can move her out the way fast enough so she had to move Sakura and pull some puppet debris to block the attack. Sakura would die here without Chiyo.

Speed blitzes sakura.
Verbatim is fast enough to hold her hands up to block even in your own scan

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Sakura would of died due to poison yea but she's still certainly relative, They go out of their way to show closeups of the poisoned blade indicating as if not for the poison then she would of survived
Which is perfectly consistent with her showings, Her punching around the iron sand as if a fly on your shoulder just causally swats sasori's giant pyramid sand construction

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Sakura tells Chiyo she did it. Chiyo admits she was outclassed and that Sasori let himself be killed. The end.

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Your own scan disagrees with you, ''He wanted to die'''

The literal scan, that you sent, It says he couldt avoid the attack not that he wanted to die

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Fandom BS aside
It's made very clear that he was caught off guard, Not once anywhere was it said that he wished to die

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So now that I basically posted their entire fight, you will see that Sakura was SEVERELY outclassed

you nitpicked selective parts which agreed with you, Which is very few but that's par for the course when the entirety of anime and manga disagree with the fandom's view of sasori
Here's but a few great highlights which send the fandom into the collective panic attacks, Lol at it mattering that chiyo destroyed the puppet army when sakura beat all of sasori's major puppets

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Fandom: Third Kazekage was the strongest kazekage
Official material: Only noted stronger then ether of his predecessors

Fandom: Sasori was stronger then deidara
Official material: Deidara lied and was actually trying to lure out naruto, while keeping kakashi busy

The anime and video games had Sakura looking like a badass but in Kishimoto's manga written by him, she was basically fodder.

The fandom's canon argument, I seen swiss cheese with less holes
Question if kishimoto or whatever needs to write something for it, To be canon then why are you just fine counting boruto and ''the last''

 

[Kooljay]

Going by that logic, you cant even hold sasori above deidara as a position to begin with but irony never dawns on hypocrites
Legit nukes him, But ig statements are above shown feats when it's convenient to ''the message''

I never stated Sasori was stronger than Deidara based off of statements... Unless you were referring to some other hypocrite

peed blitzes sakura.
Verbatim is fast enough to hold her hands up to block even in your own scan

Correct she was blitzed. If she was fast enough properly defend herself she would have dodged instead of putting her hands, which are flesh and bone, to block poison laced blades capable of cutting through her.

Sakura would of died due to poison yea but she's still certainly relative, They go out of their way to show closeups of the poisoned blade indicating as if not for the poison then she would of survived
Which is perfectly consistent with her showings, Her punching around the iron sand as if a fly on your shoulder just causally swats sasori's giant pyramid sand construction

Your anime feats are not canon and did not happen in the manga. Sakura has literally shown that she isnt capable of dodging Sasori. She is not relative to Sasori. She gets blitzed. Sasori was a kage tier ninja was Sakura was chuunin tier. Sakura did not show feats capable of fighting Sasori until the war arc.

Your own scan disagrees with you, ''He wanted to die'''

The literal scan, that you sent, It says he couldt avoid the attack not that he wanted to die

Read ALL of the scans.

"No... The one who should have been defeated was me.

Sasori saw my last attack... But...somehow he couldnt avoid it. It gave him a small opening"

Sasori allowed himself to die. He chose not to avoid her attack. This also has nothing to do with Sakura who was literally only alive because Chiyo gave her some of her own lifeforce.

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you nitpicked selective parts which agreed with you, Which is very few but that's par for the course when the entirety of anime and manga disagree with the fandom's view of sasori
Here's but a few great highlights which send the fandom into the collective panic attacks, Lol at it mattering that chiyo destroyed the puppet army when sakura beat all of sasori's major puppets

I basically posted several chapters of the fight. Nothing was nitpicked. The anime isnt canon. And the manga supports the fact that Sasori would demolish sakura by literally showing him doing it 10+ times. You have to bring up anime clips just to defend him. If the clip didnt occur in the manga then it is filler. And i literally already discussed her punching Hiruko. She did that while controlled by Chiyo.

Sasori outclasses Sakura. And he outclasses Sakon/Ukon who got beat by a Genin Kankuro. Heck you could have Sakon/Ukon and Sakura both fight Sasori. They'd all get speed blitzed.