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Ready to learn about the“unconscious” collective Will of Mankind good sir.
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[Mode] Atavistic Flame
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From what I read so far, Atavistic flame is basically a sort of human spirit or willpower manifestation, narratively its ancient and has been lost to human knowledge mostly.
Power wise the flames carry a dual nature of offense and supplementary usage with the damaging side taking on explosive properties and the supplementary side taking on spiritual healing.
The ability is especially effective against anutu and its components, and takes on a yellow tinted form. Functionally its a bit of a high risk high reward as the source burned to fuel the ability is hp not chakra, as such the mode doesn't use chakra in its flames.
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After reading it over a few times I can say that the Atavistic Flame is an ability connected to the human spirit and is unique to their soul. Therefore, making use of its techniques requires you to draw upon your spirit and focus it. This naturally deals self-inflicted spiritual damage that can be healed at different rates depending on the technique one decides to use. The healing portion of the ability comes from being tied to the survival of humanity and its will and is one of the few that allows you to heal physical damage.
Outside of the advantage to Anutu that rexii mentioned, the thing I enjoy the most about this ability is that it costs no chakra to use and cannot be sealed, drained, or absorbed. Lastly, it possesses intrinsic Anti-Divinity that allows you to damage divine beings
Outside of the advantage to Anutu that rexii mentioned, the thing I enjoy the most about this ability is that it costs no chakra to use and cannot be sealed, drained, or absorbed. Lastly, it possesses intrinsic Anti-Divinity that allows you to damage divine beings
Atavistic Flame, also known as the collective unconsciousness of humanity, is a unique Mode with a strong connection to the human soul. This connection affects it in a number of ways, but it primarily takes the form of the Spiritual Recoil and Healing the Mode and it's associated techniques employ. While the flames inflict physical wounds upon the opponent, they burn the user's soul, and then slowly recover this damage over a predetermined period.
Because it's intrinsically linked to the human soul it is exclusively used by humans, meaning Summons, Creations, or beings whose origins are not human, such as Otsutsuki, cannot utilize it. This also makes it impossible to copy, even through fields and techniques as powerful as Utu which can produce souls, as the Human Soul as created by Nergal is a unique creation.
The flames themselves are Chakraless, and possess a yellow-ish orange coloration. In addition to physical burns, they can produce explosions, and employ the same Anti-Divine effect that God Slaying Tools have, making it extremely effective against Anutu, Suen and Utu, effectively granting the user additional "Chakra" in clashes with those fields depending on their proficiency with it.
Despite primarily being a Mode, most of it's techniques do not require Atavistic Flames' unique Mode to be active to use. The Mode itself is split into three, locked behind the user's proficiency with the Mode, starting at Initiate, and moving up to Master and Grand Master. The Mode operates under a similar mechanic to Sage Mode whereupon activation the user gains access to a separate pool, however unlike Sage Mode this cannot be activated at any time. Rather "Will to Survive" is more effective the lower your health is, as it gives the user a larger pool with which to use their Atavistic techniques.
Because it's intrinsically linked to the human soul it is exclusively used by humans, meaning Summons, Creations, or beings whose origins are not human, such as Otsutsuki, cannot utilize it. This also makes it impossible to copy, even through fields and techniques as powerful as Utu which can produce souls, as the Human Soul as created by Nergal is a unique creation.
The flames themselves are Chakraless, and possess a yellow-ish orange coloration. In addition to physical burns, they can produce explosions, and employ the same Anti-Divine effect that God Slaying Tools have, making it extremely effective against Anutu, Suen and Utu, effectively granting the user additional "Chakra" in clashes with those fields depending on their proficiency with it.
Despite primarily being a Mode, most of it's techniques do not require Atavistic Flames' unique Mode to be active to use. The Mode itself is split into three, locked behind the user's proficiency with the Mode, starting at Initiate, and moving up to Master and Grand Master. The Mode operates under a similar mechanic to Sage Mode whereupon activation the user gains access to a separate pool, however unlike Sage Mode this cannot be activated at any time. Rather "Will to Survive" is more effective the lower your health is, as it gives the user a larger pool with which to use their Atavistic techniques.
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The way I see Atavistic Flames is the harnessing of Humanity's essence into a spiritual energy. It serves as the antipode of divinity in the sense that Divity wills all into existence, yet Humans, who have been willed into existence themselves, acquired a Will of their own. Not exactly in the sense of the Student surpassing their Master, but rather more akin to the likes of Divinity creating a spark that raged into an uncontrollable wildfire.
While Divinity created Humanity, Humanity's Essence remains something uncontrollable that was born out of our own Will and ambition. Atavistic Flames are the fire that burns within our soul. The Monks have noticed this insurgence of Humanity's Will and found a way to harness it into a power that could combat the gods, as it is inherently a rebelious power that directly escapes their control.
Atavistic Flame is a way to burn up our own Soul/Spirit and use it to produce Physical Damage onto others, chakralessly trading our spirit ( In the form of Spiritual Damage/Health ), which is then regenerated over time, which I see very much like the Plasticity of our own Brain, the Soul heals itself overtime after being harnessed through the Atavistic Flame's abilities. Likewise, the consuption of our own spirit is also a powerful tool to heal others spiritually, as how soul burns with power to burn away the spiritual weakening/sickness that other humans might be experiencing.
Which makes it very balanced, theme wise, as we burn our spirit and conviction, to physically damage those that can't handle it, but spiritually heal those we infuse with.
While Divinity created Humanity, Humanity's Essence remains something uncontrollable that was born out of our own Will and ambition. Atavistic Flames are the fire that burns within our soul. The Monks have noticed this insurgence of Humanity's Will and found a way to harness it into a power that could combat the gods, as it is inherently a rebelious power that directly escapes their control.
Atavistic Flame is a way to burn up our own Soul/Spirit and use it to produce Physical Damage onto others, chakralessly trading our spirit ( In the form of Spiritual Damage/Health ), which is then regenerated over time, which I see very much like the Plasticity of our own Brain, the Soul heals itself overtime after being harnessed through the Atavistic Flame's abilities. Likewise, the consuption of our own spirit is also a powerful tool to heal others spiritually, as how soul burns with power to burn away the spiritual weakening/sickness that other humans might be experiencing.
Which makes it very balanced, theme wise, as we burn our spirit and conviction, to physically damage those that can't handle it, but spiritually heal those we infuse with.
Imp had the best response.
Atavistic Flame comes from Kamiyasumi, specifically created by the Monks of the Human Order. The reason it is unique to only humans is because of the human soul - something that was created by Nergal. This means that non-humans can never acquire the Flame. This includes bios with Karma, Otsutsuki, and even Hiruko bios that gain Otsutsuki bloodlines.
So mechanically the fire is something that is drawn upon by the spirit and soul. These are two interconnected forces that generate the flame but the flame itself inflicts physical damage to those it strikes. It is also quite volatile so it has the tendency of exploding when it strikes targets. On the flipside of the damaging aspect Atavistic Flame is a potent source of spiritual healing for the user and others. Now as one draws on Atavistic Flame the techniques almost universally inflict some form of self-inflicted spiritual damage. This is never a terribly high amount. Grandmaster techniques usually should range somewhere in the 30-50 range and that'll typically be the highest you'll see. Keep in mind when you make customs that are sustained you'll also generally take damage over time as you sustain them. What's nice is that you'll regenerate spiritual health after using them. So while there is recoil damage you do regenerate it slowly afterwards. This just means you need to pace out your usage.
No Atavistic Flame technique requires hand seals. We're not weaving chakra here, so none needed. But it does inherit the speed of Fire Release and the limitations of a 'chakra' technique in general. This means it is not as fast as Taijutsu because you're still weaving something - in this case the flame from the soul itself rather than chakra.
You guys hit on the counters to Anutu. So I won't talk about that much.
Any questions about mechanics, purpose, or whatever else before we get into the techniques?
Atavistic Flame comes from Kamiyasumi, specifically created by the Monks of the Human Order. The reason it is unique to only humans is because of the human soul - something that was created by Nergal. This means that non-humans can never acquire the Flame. This includes bios with Karma, Otsutsuki, and even Hiruko bios that gain Otsutsuki bloodlines.
So mechanically the fire is something that is drawn upon by the spirit and soul. These are two interconnected forces that generate the flame but the flame itself inflicts physical damage to those it strikes. It is also quite volatile so it has the tendency of exploding when it strikes targets. On the flipside of the damaging aspect Atavistic Flame is a potent source of spiritual healing for the user and others. Now as one draws on Atavistic Flame the techniques almost universally inflict some form of self-inflicted spiritual damage. This is never a terribly high amount. Grandmaster techniques usually should range somewhere in the 30-50 range and that'll typically be the highest you'll see. Keep in mind when you make customs that are sustained you'll also generally take damage over time as you sustain them. What's nice is that you'll regenerate spiritual health after using them. So while there is recoil damage you do regenerate it slowly afterwards. This just means you need to pace out your usage.
No Atavistic Flame technique requires hand seals. We're not weaving chakra here, so none needed. But it does inherit the speed of Fire Release and the limitations of a 'chakra' technique in general. This means it is not as fast as Taijutsu because you're still weaving something - in this case the flame from the soul itself rather than chakra.
You guys hit on the counters to Anutu. So I won't talk about that much.
Any questions about mechanics, purpose, or whatever else before we get into the techniques?
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You explained it very well, so I have no questions in regards to mechanics and purpose. The only thing I want to touch on is how the flame interacts with non-human targets outside of the volatile explosions. If possible, and in the event that you attempt to pump the Atavistic Flame into a non-human target, would it have some sort of unique adverse effect or would it simply harmlessly dissipate? Or is this something you'd simply be unable to do?
(Kaen Kakkusei Iden: Ningen no Genri) – Atavistic Flame: Human Principle
Type: Offensive, Defensive, Supplementary
Rank: C – A
Range: Short – Mid
Chakra: N/A
Damage: 30 – 60
Description: The Human Principle is the basic offensive technique of Atavistic Flame. It possesses intrinsic Anti-Divinity, a property that allows it to damage Divine beings in the same way that the God-Slaying Tools can. This technique is activated by focusing Atavistic Flame and drawing upon the user’s spirit, focusing it in their hands to form yellow fire in either or both of their palms. The technique can be launched as fire balls and other projectiles, shaped to the user’s will, and inflict combustible physical damage to anything they strike. Activating the technique requires the user expend 10 spiritual Health Points. The user regenerates 5 spiritual Health Points in the following two turns.
We're starting here. Remember that those who don't own Master yet won't be going onto those techniques until later. So you'll probably be getting training from Imp for Master stuff. That said - first technique. Basic shaping. There's not much to say here aside from that. This also outlines the basics for how the spiritual regeneration works.
C-Rank is 30 damage, B-Rank is 40, and A-Rank is 60. What Chakra does this cost? Does it have an effective Chakra value?
Type: Offensive, Defensive, Supplementary
Rank: C – A
Range: Short – Mid
Chakra: N/A
Damage: 30 – 60
Description: The Human Principle is the basic offensive technique of Atavistic Flame. It possesses intrinsic Anti-Divinity, a property that allows it to damage Divine beings in the same way that the God-Slaying Tools can. This technique is activated by focusing Atavistic Flame and drawing upon the user’s spirit, focusing it in their hands to form yellow fire in either or both of their palms. The technique can be launched as fire balls and other projectiles, shaped to the user’s will, and inflict combustible physical damage to anything they strike. Activating the technique requires the user expend 10 spiritual Health Points. The user regenerates 5 spiritual Health Points in the following two turns.
We're starting here. Remember that those who don't own Master yet won't be going onto those techniques until later. So you'll probably be getting training from Imp for Master stuff. That said - first technique. Basic shaping. There's not much to say here aside from that. This also outlines the basics for how the spiritual regeneration works.
C-Rank is 30 damage, B-Rank is 40, and A-Rank is 60. What Chakra does this cost? Does it have an effective Chakra value?
It doesn't cost chakra and doesn't contain chakra, I don't think it needs an effective chakra value since atavistic flames can't be sealed or absorbed. Though I do have a question about this, can you create weaponry with this that doesn't have to be thrown per say? For example forming it in to a spear and stabbing someone with it instead of throwing it immediately? Also it mentions it costs 10 health points is that flat rate for C-A rank, like regardless of rank the cost is the same.
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Pretty basic and easy to understand technique. Atavistic Flame techniques do not cost chakra as they're powered by sacrificing your spiritual health points. They do have an effective chakra value though, but this is only when interacting directly with Anutu and its components. B-Rank Atavistic techniques have 20, A-Rank 30, and S-Rank 40.
No Chakra cost, and contains no Chakra, so absorption and sealing don't work on these projectiles. The user gathers Atavistic Flames which draws upon their soul, dealing spiritual damage to themselves. This damage is healed over the next two turns at half the cost, a result of Humanity's collective unconsciousness attempting to preserve the user's existence. Once gathered, the user shapes it and can perform attacks with it up to Mid Range. While I understand this limitation, it sucks. No questions for this, simple, basic Release technique for Atavistic Flame.
No Rexii, it cannot be. Complex shapes are reserved for Master. It does have an effective Chakra value. This is important for its interactions with Suen, Utu, and Anutu and determining whether or not it will overpower them because those fields are not determined against Atavistic Flame by damage, but by Chakra. And yes, flat 10 health.
Does anyone have questions on how Atavistic Flame interacts with Anutu?
Does anyone have questions on how Atavistic Flame interacts with Anutu?
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I remember from reading the ability itself that Atavistic flame is very strong against Anutu and gain effective Chakra in clashes depending on your level of proficiency with the ability. It stated that Initiates have a 20 Chakra advantage against Anutu while Masters and Grandmasters have 40.
I'm taking that this means that a B rank Atavistic flame technique launched by an Initiates could clash with an S rank Anutu technique and evenly match it as the interactions are based on effective Chakra and not damage, correct?
In that same vein, a B rank Atavistic flame technique launched by a Master could overpower an S rank Anutu technique.