[Game] Final Fantasy XV: Return of the True King! #38

[Grammaton]

I mean the specific allegation about partner equity, you're using wifom logic to explain why a team mate should bus you here but you don't actually refute the accusation that Poison is your partner and provide an explanation for his inconsistent actions.

The fact that he shaded you heavily but voted for his "town lean" SK, after asking for a valid reason from townies to switch his wagon points strongly to him having incentive not to lynch you. And calling you scum, from his standpoint, allows him to have his cake and eat it too by distancing. Who cares about what *you* would have liked your partners to do, they have their own agency.

If you were posion, how would you have played that situation if SK and Toujo were T/T?

 

[Grammaton]

Again, the host needs to specify by default what a 3p will scan as, especially for a "survivor" role. You're looking too far into it.

That said I'm not *completely* opposed to just a character claim

What am I reading?

Unless they have a passive that specifies otherwise, they will cop as their alignment? Theres literally no ambiguity whatsoever

 

[Sagebee]

Read the thread, good god man. You're worse than dead weight.

Seriously why are you arguing against people explaining things being uncooperative is the definition of being dead weight

 

[Toujo]

I mean the specific allegation about partner equity, you're using wifom logic to explain why a team mate should bus you here but you don't actually refute the accusation that Poison is your partner and provide an explanation for his inconsistent actions.

The fact that he shaded you heavily but voted for his "town lean" SK, after asking for a valid reason from townies to switch his wagon points strongly to him having incentive not to lynch you. And calling you scum, from his standpoint, allows him to have his cake and eat it too by distancing. Who cares about what *you* would have liked your partners to do, they have their own agency.

You want me to come up with thought processes Poison went through that doesn't mean I'm scum with her? Um, gee, Ultra, I dunno:

1 - Poison feels Soul is a bigger threat to her than I am in the game
2 - Poison feels that, if Soul flips Town, I'm badly implicated, but if I am lynched and flip Town, Soul isn't as badly implicated, and thus harder to mislynch after Day 1
3 - Poison strongly felt Soul was Town, but thought I could be Indie, and wanted to keep me around in case I can serve as a swing vote
4 - Poison thought I was a lyncher, and opted to remove both Soul and me from the game in one cycle.

As for your last point, you're reaching. You know that, if scum, I'm almost certainly leading the scum team, and they're almost certainly following me. If I didn't think they'd listen to me, I'd bus them in a heartbeat.

 

[Michelle]

Nope, my read on Soul was based on his play *this game*. The point is, he was awful, and several people agreed with me. His play doesn't suddenly become good because he was actually Town, he played like scum and duly was forced into claiming.

You were making meta references, saying you played a lot with him and you know when he is scum and so on.
And i disagree, he didn't play bad day 1, you can keep shading him if this is your aim in this game, but looks like an extremely wolfy defence to keep saying these things about SK

 

[Toujo]

You were making meta references, saying you played a lot with him and you know when he is scum and so on.
And i disagree, he didn't play bad day 1, you can keep shading him if this is your aim in this game, but looks like an extremely wolfy defence to keep saying these things about SK

I don't care what you think it looks like. I already know you can't read me, so I don't need to concern myself with your conclusions.

 

[Michelle]

also i've noticed how careful tsq has be on how he appears, giving a lot of irl reference

So?

 

[Michelle]

I don't care what you think it looks like. I already know you can't read me, so I don't need to concern myself with your conclusions.

I caught you wolfing, and i TR you in other game, so you treating me like i an idiot doesn't mean anything

 

[Ultraviolet]

What am I reading?

Unless they have a passive that specifies otherwise, they will cop as their alignment? Theres literally no ambiguity whatsoever

What is the alignment of a 3p? You can't scan as [Indie]. You can either scan as innocent or guilty. When you're town or scum, it goes unsaid what you scan as unless otherwise specified. So you have to specify it. It does not take the place of or invalidate a miller.

 

[Ultraviolet]

If you were posion, how would you have played that situation if SK and Toujo were T/T?

I would have voted for either as long as I didn't look like total shit for it, depending on the circumstance. Actually if SK was the lead wagon I probably would vote Toujo knowing he's the next logical lynch and that I wouldn't be suspected the next day.

 

[Grammaton]

What is the alignment of a 3p? You can't scan as [Indie]. You can either scan as innocent or guilty. When you're town or scum, it goes unsaid what you scan as unless otherwise specified. So you have to specify it. It does not take the place of or invalidate a miller.

Huh?

A cop returns your alignment in their results, its not a binary choice

At least not in any of the games ive ever played in the last 4 years or so

 

[Toujo]

I caught you wolfing, and i TR you in other game, so you treating me like i an idiot doesn't mean anything

I'm not treating you like an idiot, I'm treating you like you've displayed you can't read me. I don't know what game you're referring to when you mention Town reading me, but being right once or twice doesn't mean you can suddenly read me consistently or accurately. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, after all.

 

[Ultraviolet]

Huh?

A cop returns your alignment in their results, its not a binary choice

At least not in any of the games ive ever played in the last 4 years or so

I don't know where you played but a cop typically gets [Innocent] or [Guilty] and I'm 99% sure the same applies in this game.

 

[Grammaton]

Ok ... its kinda damning that poison was aware of Souls claim 15 minutes before EoD, but didn't take the time to move her vote, and in fact just stopped posting altogether

 

[Toujo]

I would have voted for either as long as I didn't look like total shit for it, depending on the circumstance. Actually if SK was the lead wagon I probably would vote Toujo knowing he's the next logical lynch and that I wouldn't be suspected the next day.

Counterpoint: Soul's wagon was mostly consisting of players who had given fair reasons for joining his wagon. My wagon was mostly full of players upset I hurt their feelings, including one individual, who shall not be named, who repeatedly claimed to read me as Town but felt like he was punishing me for not spoonfeeding him posts available on the very page he was asking me to repeat for him. In other words, Poison would look worse upon my Town flip, than she would on Soul's Town flip.

 

[Sagebee]

@Toujo @Ultraviolet @Grammaton @Aether9 @XTMF

I was going to wait end of game to address you bunch but I'm done letting slick comments and misrepresentation of my game pass. The entire game all of you have been uncooperative about giving your positions in the game and some of you even were antagonistic about it. Your only contributions being contributing fluff posts then pushing lynchs of someone. Really look at the names I @ you think you bunch have been playing clean each and everyone of you have been in peoples suss list. Why do you think I'm not a legitimate suss read to anyone since I've been contributing to the game. Each of you needlessly made yourself look scummy and potentially taking town on the wrong track. If your town turn it around and actually contribute substantively.

 

[Grammaton]

I don't know where you played but a cop typically gets [Innocent] or [Guilty] and I'm 99% sure the same applies in this game.

Difference in conventions in that case because ive never played with that as standard. I guess that resolves that then

 

[Grammaton]

@Toujo @Ultraviolet @Grammaton @Aether9 @XTMF

I was going to wait end of game to address you bunch but I'm done letting slick comments and misrepresentation of my game pass. The entire game all of you have been uncooperative about giving your positions in the game and some of you even were antagonistic about it. Your only contributions being contributing fluff posts then pushing lynchs of someone. Really look at the names I @ you think you bunch have been playing clean each and everyone of you have been in peoples suss list. Why do you think I'm not a legitimate suss read to anyone since I've been contributing to the game. Each of you needlessly made yourself look scummy and potentially taking town on the wrong track. If your town turn it around and actually contribute substantively.

dont tag me with this crap

 

[Toujo]

@Toujo @Ultraviolet @Grammaton @Aether9 @XTMF

I was going to wait end of game to address you bunch but I'm done letting slick comments and misrepresentation of my game pass. The entire game all of you have been uncooperative about giving your positions in the game and some of you even were antagonistic about it. Your only contributions being contributing fluff posts then pushing lynchs of someone. Really look at the names I @ you think you bunch have been playing clean each and everyone of you have been in peoples suss list. Why do you think I'm not a legitimate suss read to anyone since I've been contributing to the game. Each of you needlessly made yourself look scummy and potentially taking town on the wrong track. If your town turn it around and actually contribute substantively.

Tell someone who cares.

 

[Sagebee]

I'm still focusing on toujo and aether this face will give ultra a pass to prove his role but saying he was role blocked is convenient

I have to think about what poison flipping means soul likely killed her had good intuition I was suspected poison bit in the end since she seemed to not sincerely be scum hunting and responding to people for show.