As I was having some friendly discussions with @Infant, we came across a period with which we had to use deduction and speculation to complete the Otsutsuki God Arc. This was because I do not think that the studio would ever get the chance to address it.
I wish to move this into here as they spanned over a few threads and took away from the original posting.
To bring people up to speed, Infant and I were discussing the ancestral wars and how the Hyugas were left behind in the development (to which he disagreed for the most part) and then moved to Kaguya and we detracted from the original posts.
So as the title suggests, I am discussing the biggest plothole in Narutoverse and that is Kaguya.
We are given a few evidence to start understanding and unraveling Kaguya's goals and motivations. Although many were clashing and retcons, there are enough gaps to bridge them into a more coherent story.
The story begins with Isshiki and Kaguya reaching Earth to harvest. From what we can tell based from the Boruto movie, Planet Farms are often barren due to the God Trees planted sucking up all energy and robbing everything from the planet. However, there have been accounts that were passed down that stated life was abundant on Earth before Kaguya's descent.
Meaning that Isshiki and Kaguya had found a planet in which were not only barren but full of life. Despite the fact that this planet was being harvested with the God Tree, it still bore life. It had too much of it. Wars apparently were everywhere. Conflict too. Based on what we learn in Boruto manga, Isshiki and Kaguya fought prior to her stealing the chakra fruit which left Isshiki weakened and pressumed dead. Fortunately for Isshiki, a priest/monk was there which Isshiki took over, his name is Jigen.
She transcended after taking the chakra fruit and eventually the God Tree (if not at the same time). This allowed her to change or give birth to twins: Hagoromo and Hamura. Their birth imparted some of her powers but she ruled Earth peacefully. Until Hagoromo and Hamura came to maturity. At this time, Kaguya had changed.
Something had changed from within Kaguya. She became motivated to enslave and retake back all of her power. We know that she is on guard against the other Otsutsukis and wished to defend herself or the planet. Was she malignant to begin with or was her desperation pushed her to the brink? Was she planning on sacrificing everyone and everything to gain power? If so, why did she wait and allow many things to happen?
Regardless of her intent, it was enough to consider her a threat to the world. Hagoromo and Hamura rose up, each bearing each others' seal, and split her apart using their seals into 2: Her chakra and her vessel. The twins knew of their mother's concern: a looming threat from the outside; a part of her clan is coming.
Each brother kept one for safe keeping. Hagoromo took his mother's chakra and Hamura took his mother's vessel. The two split up because of that. But they have to prepare the world. The world is filled with humans that waged war against each other before their mother put a stop to it. Since his younger brother left for the moon with others to become observers, he took on the burden of preparing the rest for the worst.
He is Yin and his powers reveled in ninjutsu while his brother is Yang, his powers required ninshu. Thus, he taught the world ninjutsu. This boosted the quality of life on Earth. He bore 2 sons: Indra and Asura. However, he had make a difficult choice: what does Earth need to overcome the future? Especially when gods descend once more? His younger son struggled as he lacked power growing up. However, because he specialized in ninshu, he managed to gain power by linking up with others.
Through unity comes power. Hagoromo thinks that this is the best choice for humanity's survival and chose him to lead the world in his stead. Before leaving, he split the Juubi into 9 to further make it secure. Because Asura is a ninshu user, he is the only one that can utilize their power when the time comes by linking up with all of the 9 beasts.
Unbeknownst to Hagoromo, Indra and his mother's will: Black Zetsu, have been talking with one another, with the latter corrupting the former. He was setting Indra to amass power as power is the best way to protect the world. People will not need to dirty their hands and stay protected. Only he is needed to fight and so that others do not have to. He took advantage of this and corrupted him. He made him desperate to gain power as power is the only solution. This decision of Indra to protect the world in this way undermined the decision of Hagoromo. Asura also did not like Indra's solution as well as having the thought of his brother bearing the weight of the world alone.
This made the brothers clash and this continued on for generations.
Meanwhile on the Moon, after seeing the conflict of Indra and Asura escalate, the Moon was put in disarray. Hamura had left and imparted them with the Tenseigan Orb alongside a decree. A decree in which will be misappropriated which will ultimately drive Toneri to bring the Moon down into the Earth in the far future.
Earth adopted ninjutsu over the years, seeing it more useful than ninshu. Ninshu ended up becoming a religion of the past, rather than a source of power.
Over the years, the Otsutsuki lineage became more and more diluted but the trade off was that the humans became more and more experienced in warfare.
This warfare reached its penultimate when its accumulation gave way to Kaguya's rebirth. The moon and sun seals were used once again to thwart her plans. This time sealing BZ, her karma, along with her.
Peace fell once more but the known existence of the Otsutsuki made them wary. The arms race began in other nations to best prepare themselves for the worst: Naruto and Sasuke turning against them. These advancements and knowledge gave them a possible advantage to repel the alien invaders when the time comes. This proved to be false. Despite all of their arms race, they ultimately needed the power of Kaguya to stop the Moon from crashing and to defeat the 2 Otsutsuki that showed up: Momoshiki and Kinshiki.
This time, Jigen is getting closer and closer on being able to reincarnate Isshiki.
Since there were 6 in the murals that Sasuke had found, they still needed to be on guard for the remaining ones.
I wish to move this into here as they spanned over a few threads and took away from the original posting.
To bring people up to speed, Infant and I were discussing the ancestral wars and how the Hyugas were left behind in the development (to which he disagreed for the most part) and then moved to Kaguya and we detracted from the original posts.
So as the title suggests, I am discussing the biggest plothole in Narutoverse and that is Kaguya.
We are given a few evidence to start understanding and unraveling Kaguya's goals and motivations. Although many were clashing and retcons, there are enough gaps to bridge them into a more coherent story.
The story begins with Isshiki and Kaguya reaching Earth to harvest. From what we can tell based from the Boruto movie, Planet Farms are often barren due to the God Trees planted sucking up all energy and robbing everything from the planet. However, there have been accounts that were passed down that stated life was abundant on Earth before Kaguya's descent.
Meaning that Isshiki and Kaguya had found a planet in which were not only barren but full of life. Despite the fact that this planet was being harvested with the God Tree, it still bore life. It had too much of it. Wars apparently were everywhere. Conflict too. Based on what we learn in Boruto manga, Isshiki and Kaguya fought prior to her stealing the chakra fruit which left Isshiki weakened and pressumed dead. Fortunately for Isshiki, a priest/monk was there which Isshiki took over, his name is Jigen.
She transcended after taking the chakra fruit and eventually the God Tree (if not at the same time). This allowed her to change or give birth to twins: Hagoromo and Hamura. Their birth imparted some of her powers but she ruled Earth peacefully. Until Hagoromo and Hamura came to maturity. At this time, Kaguya had changed.
Something had changed from within Kaguya. She became motivated to enslave and retake back all of her power. We know that she is on guard against the other Otsutsukis and wished to defend herself or the planet. Was she malignant to begin with or was her desperation pushed her to the brink? Was she planning on sacrificing everyone and everything to gain power? If so, why did she wait and allow many things to happen?
Regardless of her intent, it was enough to consider her a threat to the world. Hagoromo and Hamura rose up, each bearing each others' seal, and split her apart using their seals into 2: Her chakra and her vessel. The twins knew of their mother's concern: a looming threat from the outside; a part of her clan is coming.
Each brother kept one for safe keeping. Hagoromo took his mother's chakra and Hamura took his mother's vessel. The two split up because of that. But they have to prepare the world. The world is filled with humans that waged war against each other before their mother put a stop to it. Since his younger brother left for the moon with others to become observers, he took on the burden of preparing the rest for the worst.
He is Yin and his powers reveled in ninjutsu while his brother is Yang, his powers required ninshu. Thus, he taught the world ninjutsu. This boosted the quality of life on Earth. He bore 2 sons: Indra and Asura. However, he had make a difficult choice: what does Earth need to overcome the future? Especially when gods descend once more? His younger son struggled as he lacked power growing up. However, because he specialized in ninshu, he managed to gain power by linking up with others.
Through unity comes power. Hagoromo thinks that this is the best choice for humanity's survival and chose him to lead the world in his stead. Before leaving, he split the Juubi into 9 to further make it secure. Because Asura is a ninshu user, he is the only one that can utilize their power when the time comes by linking up with all of the 9 beasts.
Unbeknownst to Hagoromo, Indra and his mother's will: Black Zetsu, have been talking with one another, with the latter corrupting the former. He was setting Indra to amass power as power is the best way to protect the world. People will not need to dirty their hands and stay protected. Only he is needed to fight and so that others do not have to. He took advantage of this and corrupted him. He made him desperate to gain power as power is the only solution. This decision of Indra to protect the world in this way undermined the decision of Hagoromo. Asura also did not like Indra's solution as well as having the thought of his brother bearing the weight of the world alone.
This made the brothers clash and this continued on for generations.
Meanwhile on the Moon, after seeing the conflict of Indra and Asura escalate, the Moon was put in disarray. Hamura had left and imparted them with the Tenseigan Orb alongside a decree. A decree in which will be misappropriated which will ultimately drive Toneri to bring the Moon down into the Earth in the far future.
Earth adopted ninjutsu over the years, seeing it more useful than ninshu. Ninshu ended up becoming a religion of the past, rather than a source of power.
Over the years, the Otsutsuki lineage became more and more diluted but the trade off was that the humans became more and more experienced in warfare.
This warfare reached its penultimate when its accumulation gave way to Kaguya's rebirth. The moon and sun seals were used once again to thwart her plans. This time sealing BZ, her karma, along with her.
Peace fell once more but the known existence of the Otsutsuki made them wary. The arms race began in other nations to best prepare themselves for the worst: Naruto and Sasuke turning against them. These advancements and knowledge gave them a possible advantage to repel the alien invaders when the time comes. This proved to be false. Despite all of their arms race, they ultimately needed the power of Kaguya to stop the Moon from crashing and to defeat the 2 Otsutsuki that showed up: Momoshiki and Kinshiki.
This time, Jigen is getting closer and closer on being able to reincarnate Isshiki.
Since there were 6 in the murals that Sasuke had found, they still needed to be on guard for the remaining ones.
- Earth had life
- Kaguya was nice
- Kaguya had twins
- Kaguya was not nice and children fought against her
- Twins split up her powers and guarded over them
- Hagoromo chose Asura to lead the world to prepare the world/humans his stead
- Indra was manipulated
- Moon was devastated about their actions
- Isshiki was just chillin
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