[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

[Ansatsuken]

Well the is def scum and so is toujo.

Who's def scum?

 

[Ansatsuken]

The blood of experienced players disagree... you see they're consistent as hell even in their own thinking so anything like that strikes them bad also they will not accept this because their pride hold them back and if they accepted this they'll be accepting that point was nothing but convenient way to make a case

You're voting Beeboat rn?

 

[XTMF]

Hou, I really want you to be scum, not just so I can say I was right, but because if you're scum you haven't played a terrible game. If you're town, well...

 

[Houtarou]

You're voting Beeboat rn?

Doesn't matter who I vote since I am gonna get lynch

 

[Houtarou]

Hou, I really want you to be scum, not just so I can say I was right, but because if you're scum you haven't played a terrible game. If you're town, well...

If you take into consideration the fact you ignore most of my posts and took the wrong interpretation of them makes much more bad town than me

 

[Ansatsuken]

Doesn't matter who I vote since I am gonna get lynch

So you're just wasting one more day on Mislynch that's mislynching you if you're town.

Ok who should we vote today? And can you get people into voting them?

 

[Ansatsuken]

SK said he extending this DP like 3 more hours right? So I think I had enough time to sleep and catching up the game before EoD

 

[Ansatsuken]

GTG to sleep

 

[Houtarou]

So you're just wasting one more day on Mislynch that's mislynching you if you're town.

Ok who should we vote today? And can you get people into voting them?

My vote will go to Rej. Do you want to vote him? No. trust me there is no way I can save myself from this lynch, I have used up all I have in my arsenal.. I have no weapons left to defend myself and my points getting ignored like they don't matter.

 

[osieorb18]

Is there a way to check how many posts people have made in a thread?

ISO, count how many posts on a full page (you may be able to use the find function for this), count how many full pages, then count how many posts on the partial page (you may be able to use the find function for this).

 

[Premfection]

I don’t have a perfect grasp of the full breadth of the Rej gameplay. But someone like Rej who almost was giving his reads to the most players whether one-liner or just direct read had actually very few interactions with Poison. I was just rereading the thread and noticed that neither Poison nor Rej really interacted with each other at all. Let's not forget these two are someone who loves to interact with just about anyone, especially Rej who was giving his reads left to right actually decide to ignore Poison after just one post interaction, not mentioning her name or anything and only thrown a little shade on her when others were suspecting her very hard.

Early game Rej said this;


But as DP went on and the count of players that were suspecting Poison increased Rej went ahead and started to make his case on AL. His preparations themselves progressed smoothly for the case AL itself, and all that remained was the menial job of fanning the flames over and over. but it didn't really work out for him when I suddenly turn the table with my push on Toujo and creating the main focus between Poison and Toujo so while RGK was another lynch inside these days Rej kept voted Glover but later knowing he won't get enough people to lynch glover he went ahead and voted the leading wagon; Poison wagon itself.

The reason Rej didn't think of a way to help poison was first, he had no obligation to assist her in such a bothersome situation, and defending her was out of the options; secondly, there were very few options for him to defend poison without getting a shade thrown to him, although out of two-three leading wagons, Rej decides to vote RedGloverKing first, although it didn't last for too long when he saw that poison lynch getting more votes. This was exactly the right moment to vote poison to gain temporary trust and as well as lynching a scum to gain town credits.

In short, Poison was pretty consensus scum read, and if there ever consensus town core D1, most of its members were on it. I'm not sure what Rej could have done to defend poison without throwing himself into the fire so I think he took the best route and accepted the fate of his teammate.

Another post that caught my attention from Rej was this;

This posts merely hints that Rej was trying to gain credits for Poison lynch, nowhere it has shown, or even look like Rej was actually controlling the wagon... he was merely a part of the wagon. Why would Rej try to take credits for Poison lynch despite knowing he was not even the one that started it and only voted her at a late phase when Poison was bound to get lynched. So there is a contradiction with his posts, there is absolutely no reason for Rej to think he was controlling the wagon outside of getting town cred.

Also, does this vote look like from someone who was controlling the wagon;



Rej early town reads contain not only a list of just player and but unusual reasoning that you really can't understand properly, In other words these posts:

Also, the bolded part feels off to me... I don't see why he needed to mention this, also it's pretty convincing that he says Michelle is only useful in the DP until Mafia kills her. Rej had this post laid out and Michelle was dead next phase, both things ping me that Rej had intention when created that post and those intention were to kill Michelle.

Here comes another early phase read I didn't liked from Rej, an attempt of pocketing Imp has done here;


I don't get how exactly but this feels very Rej like a post when he's scum... I think Imp wouldn't understand what Rej implied but I think he's happy that Rej was reading him town hence what Rej wanted being achieved

Also, the way Rej speaks and demeanor he put on, it makes him sound very dependent. While it's a very effective way to give someone the illusion that they're reliable. Yet it's risky for you to go on like that, not just in the long term, but in the short term as well, since I do think I'm not the only that has notice these patterns on Rej gameplay.

Here's Rej another weird town read with another silly reason;


This one as well, I am pretty sure no one really bothered with this or even trackback to see what Rej was trying to say... it's perfect reasoning and quite common. Not only people will overlook that but also gonna think there must be something on page 45 that made Rej think he's town hence player decide not really try to look that but here's what we got on page 45

If you think that wouldn't have been enough and look genuine read to Rej, then rej'd be way underestimating Luku because just not game ago Luku pulled crazy taints like that there as well and he scum and Rej was the host. So yeah this is another one of Rej weird reads that really hold no ground but trying to look like he's contributing while in reality, I don't think this actually gave anything for anyone to work with. It was just random one-liner reads that people think "Yeah, I think it's fine" and then overlook it.

Whenever trouble arises, Rej wafts in afterward and acts like he caused it all and then reaps the benefit after the fact. Even though he did nothing up that point. It's like when false prophets claim they saw actual events of the past, way before they happened. It's Rej style to get people to believe him when he says that. Matter of fact, if you were to look Rej from very calm and normal point of view, then the things he says aren't ordinarily believable in mafia... the things he does tell you the worst possible thing at the worst possible moment to rattle you and make you vulnerable.

Rej is not upfront player with manipulation akin to other players but rather his habit to bullshit through just about anything or make reasons like these that people think that it cannot be done by Mafia but in reality Rej in these cases actually trying to hide something, most likely his fake font he has been putting to appear town.

Another example of this Rej was treating on me and Kyte read as if he's paranoid but I only see that a reason to avoid an argument or any conflict with us while still suspecting us. this where I feel Rej has been really not putting his act together

Though I have to say If Rehj got on TV calling himself a prophet, he’d be quite a hit, I bet.

TL;DR He's fucking scum and I have not single shred of doubt that he's not... I am rarely wrong about rej but right now I feel more than enough confident to follow that lynch
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This is interesting. I'll try reading it in more detail later and if I'm convinced I may place a vote on Rej.

That being said, I was reading your response, I'm not going to lie am a bit more convinced by X for the reasons I stated earlier. But this gives me something else to work with at least.

 

[Premfection]

Edit because of quote messing up:

I don’t have a perfect grasp of the full breadth of the Rej gameplay. But someone like Rej who almost was giving his reads to the most players whether one-liner or just direct read had actually very few interactions with Poison. I was just rereading the thread and noticed that neither Poison nor Rej really interacted with each other at all. Let's not forget these two are someone who loves to interact with just about anyone, especially Rej who was giving his reads left to right actually decide to ignore Poison after just one post interaction, not mentioning her name or anything and only thrown a little shade on her when others were suspecting her very hard.

Early game Rej said this;


But as DP went on and the count of players that were suspecting Poison increased Rej went ahead and started to make his case on AL. His preparations themselves progressed smoothly for the case AL itself, and all that remained was the menial job of fanning the flames over and over. but it didn't really work out for him when I suddenly turn the table with my push on Toujo and creating the main focus between Poison and Toujo so while RGK was another lynch inside these days Rej kept voted Glover but later knowing he won't get enough people to lynch glover he went ahead and voted the leading wagon; Poison wagon itself.

The reason Rej didn't think of a way to help poison was first, he had no obligation to assist her in such a bothersome situation, and defending her was out of the options; secondly, there were very few options for him to defend poison without getting a shade thrown to him, although out of two-three leading wagons, Rej decides to vote RedGloverKing first, although it didn't last for too long when he saw that poison lynch getting more votes. This was exactly the right moment to vote poison to gain temporary trust and as well as lynching a scum to gain town credits.

In short, Poison was pretty consensus scum read, and if there ever consensus town core D1, most of its members were on it. I'm not sure what Rej could have done to defend poison without throwing himself into the fire so I think he took the best route and accepted the fate of his teammate.

Another post that caught my attention from Rej was this;

This posts merely hints that Rej was trying to gain credits for Poison lynch, nowhere it has shown, or even look like Rej was actually controlling the wagon... he was merely a part of the wagon. Why would Rej try to take credits for Poison lynch despite knowing he was not even the one that started it and only voted her at a late phase when Poison was bound to get lynched. So there is a contradiction with his posts, there is absolutely no reason for Rej to think he was controlling the wagon outside of getting town cred.

Also, does this vote look like from someone who was controlling the wagon;



Rej early town reads contain not only a list of just player and but unusual reasoning that you really can't understand properly, In other words these posts:

Also, the bolded part feels off to me... I don't see why he needed to mention this, also it's pretty convincing that he says Michelle is only useful in the DP until Mafia kills her. Rej had this post laid out and Michelle was dead next phase, both things ping me that Rej had intention when created that post and those intention were to kill Michelle.

Here comes another early phase read I didn't liked from Rej, an attempt of pocketing Imp has done here;


I don't get how exactly but this feels very Rej like a post when he's scum... I think Imp wouldn't understand what Rej implied but I think he's happy that Rej was reading him town hence what Rej wanted being achieved

Also, the way Rej speaks and demeanor he put on, it makes him sound very dependent. While it's a very effective way to give someone the illusion that they're reliable. Yet it's risky for you to go on like that, not just in the long term, but in the short term as well, since I do think I'm not the only that has notice these patterns on Rej gameplay.

Here's Rej another weird town read with another silly reason;


This one as well, I am pretty sure no one really bothered with this or even trackback to see what Rej was trying to say... it's perfect reasoning and quite common. Not only people will overlook that but also gonna think there must be something on page 45 that made Rej think he's town hence player decide not really try to look that but here's what we got on page 45



If you think that wouldn't have been enough and look genuine read to Rej, then rej'd be way underestimating Luku because just not game ago Luku pulled crazy taints like that there as well and he scum and Rej was the host. So yeah this is another one of Rej weird reads that really hold no ground but trying to look like he's contributing while in reality, I don't think this actually gave anything for anyone to work with. It was just random one-liner reads that people think "Yeah, I think it's fine" and then overlook it.

Whenever trouble arises, Rej wafts in afterward and acts like he caused it all and then reaps the benefit after the fact. Even though he did nothing up that point. It's like when false prophets claim they saw actual events of the past, way before they happened. It's Rej style to get people to believe him when he says that. Matter of fact, if you were to look Rej from very calm and normal point of view, then the things he says aren't ordinarily believable in mafia... the things he does tell you the worst possible thing at the worst possible moment to rattle you and make you vulnerable.

Rej is not upfront player with manipulation akin to other players but rather his habit to bullshit through just about anything or make reasons like these that people think that it cannot be done by Mafia but in reality Rej in these cases actually trying to hide something, most likely his fake font he has been putting to appear town.

Another example of this Rej was treating on me and Kyte read as if he's paranoid but I only see that a reason to avoid an argument or any conflict with us while still suspecting us. this where I feel Rej has been really not putting his act together

Though I have to say If Rehj got on TV calling himself a prophet, he’d be quite a hit, I bet.

TL;DR He's fucking scum and I have not single shred of doubt that he's not... I am rarely wrong about rej but right now I feel more than enough confident to follow that lynch

This is interesting. I'll try reading it in more detail later and if I'm convinced I may place a vote on Rej.

That being said, I was reading your response, I'm not going to lie am a bit more convinced by X for the reasons I stated earlier. But this gives me something else to work with at least.

 

[Rej]

I don’t have a perfect grasp of the full breadth of the Rej gameplay. But someone like Rej who almost was giving his reads to the most players whether one-liner or just direct read had actually very few interactions with Poison. I was just rereading the thread and noticed that neither Poison nor Rej really interacted with each other at all. Let's not forget these two are someone who loves to interact with just about anyone, especially Rej who was giving his reads left to right actually decide to ignore Poison after just one post interaction, not mentioning her name or anything and only thrown a little shade on her when others were suspecting her very hard.

Early game Rej said this;


But as DP went on and the count of players that were suspecting Poison increased Rej went ahead and started to make his case on AL. His preparations themselves progressed smoothly for the case AL itself, and all that remained was the menial job of fanning the flames over and over. but it didn't really work out for him when I suddenly turn the table with my push on Toujo and creating the main focus between Poison and Toujo so while RGK was another lynch inside these days Rej kept voted Glover but later knowing he won't get enough people to lynch glover he went ahead and voted the leading wagon; Poison wagon itself.

The reason Rej didn't think of a way to help poison was first, he had no obligation to assist her in such a bothersome situation, and defending her was out of the options; secondly, there were very few options for him to defend poison without getting a shade thrown to him, although out of two-three leading wagons, Rej decides to vote RedGloverKing first, although it didn't last for too long when he saw that poison lynch getting more votes. This was exactly the right moment to vote poison to gain temporary trust and as well as lynching a scum to gain town credits.

In short, Poison was pretty consensus scum read, and if there ever consensus town core D1, most of its members were on it. I'm not sure what Rej could have done to defend poison without throwing himself into the fire so I think he took the best route and accepted the fate of his teammate.

Another post that caught my attention from Rej was this;

This posts merely hints that Rej was trying to gain credits for Poison lynch, nowhere it has shown, or even look like Rej was actually controlling the wagon... he was merely a part of the wagon. Why would Rej try to take credits for Poison lynch despite knowing he was not even the one that started it and only voted her at a late phase when Poison was bound to get lynched. So there is a contradiction with his posts, there is absolutely no reason for Rej to think he was controlling the wagon outside of getting town cred.

Also, does this vote look like from someone who was controlling the wagon;



Rej early town reads contain not only a list of just player and but unusual reasoning that you really can't understand properly, In other words these posts:

Also, the bolded part feels off to me... I don't see why he needed to mention this, also it's pretty convincing that he says Michelle is only useful in the DP until Mafia kills her. Rej had this post laid out and Michelle was dead next phase, both things ping me that Rej had intention when created that post and those intention were to kill Michelle.

Here comes another early phase read I didn't liked from Rej, an attempt of pocketing Imp has done here;


I don't get how exactly but this feels very Rej like a post when he's scum... I think Imp wouldn't understand what Rej implied but I think he's happy that Rej was reading him town hence what Rej wanted being achieved

Also, the way Rej speaks and demeanor he put on, it makes him sound very dependent. While it's a very effective way to give someone the illusion that they're reliable. Yet it's risky for you to go on like that, not just in the long term, but in the short term as well, since I do think I'm not the only that has notice these patterns on Rej gameplay.

Here's Rej another weird town read with another silly reason;


This one as well, I am pretty sure no one really bothered with this or even trackback to see what Rej was trying to say... it's perfect reasoning and quite common. Not only people will overlook that but also gonna think there must be something on page 45 that made Rej think he's town hence player decide not really try to look that but here's what we got on page 45

If you think that wouldn't have been enough and look genuine read to Rej, then rej'd be way underestimating Luku because just not game ago Luku pulled crazy taints like that there as well and he scum and Rej was the host. So yeah this is another one of Rej weird reads that really hold no ground but trying to look like he's contributing while in reality, I don't think this actually gave anything for anyone to work with. It was just random one-liner reads that people think "Yeah, I think it's fine" and then overlook it.

Whenever trouble arises, Rej wafts in afterward and acts like he caused it all and then reaps the benefit after the fact. Even though he did nothing up that point. It's like when false prophets claim they saw actual events of the past, way before they happened. It's Rej style to get people to believe him when he says that. Matter of fact, if you were to look Rej from very calm and normal point of view, then the things he says aren't ordinarily believable in mafia... the things he does tell you the worst possible thing at the worst possible moment to rattle you and make you vulnerable.

Rej is not upfront player with manipulation akin to other players but rather his habit to bullshit through just about anything or make reasons like these that people think that it cannot be done by Mafia but in reality Rej in these cases actually trying to hide something, most likely his fake font he has been putting to appear town.

Another example of this Rej was treating on me and Kyte read as if he's paranoid but I only see that a reason to avoid an argument or any conflict with us while still suspecting us. this where I feel Rej has been really not putting his act together

Though I have to say If Rehj got on TV calling himself a prophet, he’d be quite a hit, I bet.

TL;DR He's fucking scum and I have not single shred of doubt that he's not... I am rarely wrong about rej but right now I feel more than enough confident to follow that lynch
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you are right with a bunch of those accusations, the only thing you are not right with is how this explains my alignment
I am not as lively as once and I probably will only become very rarely in future, I also never claimed to be accurate, I am evolving a playstyle that needs me to not think much

you are right with most of it, the only thing you are wrong with is me being scum bro

 

[Houtarou]

Edit because of quote messing up:



This is interesting. I'll try reading it in more detail later and if I'm convinced I may place a vote on Rej.

That being said, I was reading your response, I'm not going to lie am a bit more convinced by X for the reasons I stated earlier. But this gives me something else to work with at least.

You shouldn't vote for me but rather for your own scum read... just trust me with this... if you think you want to lynch me and there are not enough votes then you can vote me otherwise I really want you to vote for your own scum read.

 

[Rej]

I have a feeling that least 1 if not couple scum are the lurkers that are comfortable in watchinf how things are going.
Since they aren't posting until called out they aren't coming close to the lynching coz other people have already picked up heat from the previous phases.

does it imply that you think there is atleast 1-2 scum inside the active pool? oh man, you should rly start to make a proper PoE

Also only player with guts to keep highly experienced players ALIVE

tbh that is true, but you are the same, last game you wanted to keep novas and ted and get them out of the way otherwise/laterwise
that is quite and monotonic arguement

 

[Ryu Kishi]

Who's def scum?

Lol rej.

 

[Aether9]

What do you mean 'fleshed out'.
I did say my opinion shortly. Don.t see a point to expand.

lets see what you did.

Ok Iso Aether

-I see he started by commenting on each page, which if I remember well raised some suspicion from his fellow forum players. It doesn't feel much suspicious to me, just a bit strange that it's page per page.

Alright, if it isnt doesnt feel suspicious to you, why did bring it up? Whats your issue with this? Because I have already explained what happened. Now do you have any issue with the explanation? Because if thats the case, I dont see why you would bring this "page by page" after this long.

-It is followed by some posts regarding a misunderstanding with Luke about some other member.

What misunderstanding? Do you know the detail? Beacuse it was Luk who misunderstood, I was very clear on what I was asking. So, idk why you bring this up as well.

Not sure why he would take activity as a sign of Luke being town?

Another one, dont see any reason to point this out, if you dont further expand on whats wrong with this? Whats wrong with me taking activity as a sign to think Luk as town?

Somewhere Ryu votes for him and Aether votes back
Then he has a heated exchange with bee - followed by Aether voting Bee- not sure what to make of this have to look into Bee later

See, you are not taking any stance here, how am I suppose to argue here? You just brought something(again) without even pointing whats wrong with that.

Then him and Ryu have an interesting exchange where Ryu brings some of Aether's qoutes out followed by Aether voting Ryu again.

This felt the most relevant to me

This exchange is very interesting.

What do you mean by interesting? This post itself is also interesting, you are not taking any stance here as well, so I dont see any point arguing here again.

Personally what Ryu was doing didn't feel like stalling it was Dp1, not sure though how much left till end of day.

Thats good, but personally I felt he was stalling at that time.

In a way I understand why Aether feels the need to defend himself since Ryu just voted for him without giving any reason initially so part of that defense is legit in my eyes.

lol no, it wasnt any defense, I was pretty clear with Houtaro why I voted Ryu, since he asked me, you can go check that. So I dont know what made you feel like it was a defense.

But the way in which Aether's defense is executed is strange. It felt to me like he jumped to defend himself by throwing some scum back on Ryu.

lol what, thats a bizarre story. Any way I already said it wasnt any defense.

And here's another: why is it strange? See, whats wrong with this ISO? I cannot help but see this as an attempt to throw shade, its not just one or two, I am continuing to see them.

An extensive iso folows on Poison, Michell and AL - I see some nice observations which feel authentic

Another: dont see the reason to bring this up if you think I am sus.

You vote for Ryu, then bee then back to ryu and null [ even if you issued poison and she felt off to you from that iso you didn’t touch her, nor did you Al ] correct me if I am wrong or if I misunderstand that iso?

correct.

except, this:
"[even if you issued poison and she felt off to you from that iso you didn’t touch her, nor did you Al]"

Here's another: not point to bring if you dont say whats wrong with that, so another shading

But if you honestly want to know, its because she never replied and I wasnt here by the end of the day to proceed further.

Overal conclusion for DP1
Feels you try to keep a relatively low profile while maintaining some interaction.
But then when Ryu jumps on you, you become kinda aggresive in my opinion

Tell me how did you came to that conclusion, what makes me more suspicious than the others that have less activity than me?

as for the second part, tell me what made you feel it was aggressive? Because I have a hard time understanding where you are coming from, as I was pretty clear on my suspicion on Ryu.

You vote for Kyte.
I noticed you made some remarks on Ansa - town leaned him and also some questions.

Side note: Not sure what to make of Ansa's wagon yesterday - i will look into his voters.

??

another one of your pointless, productivity, no reason I can find that you would need to bring it up.

so scummy but at the same time legit?

can you be more clear about your question? I am not getting whats your issue here.

I feel Aether has been having an interesting approach this game. I'm going to come back, relook at this, but he is suspect to me right now.

So this is your conclusion, tell me how is this conclusion make any sense, because there isnt a single point that suggest I am scummy in your eyes, go on. So far all I am seeing is needless productivity and shading. You havent really touched any of the points you brought, or where do you stand on them.

Now I am going to tell what I feel about this iso, its to look productive and/or throw shad

not liking the vote on Osie

AL is town with benefit of doubt

I would lynch Imp or Aether this DP

/catching up

tell me :
why do you not like the vote on Osie

why is AL town?

why would you lynch me or Imp?

wow I am so sorry, I burnt out today but I will be active during the second half of the DP, prepare some juicy stuff here
Also Aether's PoE is not bad

@Aether9 where do you put Imperfection here?

lets see, you like my PoE(Hou/Tiger/AL), but you want lynch me at the same time you see AL as town, you dont even mention Hou as your possible lynch, I am not getting where you are coming from here.

As for Imperfection, he is null to me, but so far I am not seeing any issues.

I find this very interesting. I am not sure how you multi-reply here but the way i been multi replying here and in tmf is identical, so i scratch my head when i see you making such comments.

here you have to make a new tab to proceed after quoting, to multiquote.

I just voted for Houtarou. Their posts since I subbed in have screamed anti-town to me more and more each time I look at them.

More thoughts to come (I'm about 10 pages back.)

I remember Hou being town to you in the read you gave in NP, what made you see him as scum more then the ones on your list?

@Aether9 - On what read are you asking me for elaboration?

Alright I am going to make this easier for both you and myself, tell me why you think your town read is townie and why your scum read is scummy? If you already said that you can bring the quote as proof, because its hard having to catch up and remember everything.

So I can only risk myself with these two people,

-Houtarou
-Just_Red

This's my actual PoE
Toujo-Aether-Beebot

again I am asking for a

He is always desperate, check him out in the last game, or ISO his posts in the last game, he was town there and he used to push other townies through the whole game due to paranoia



null, he has reasonable posts, I never really played with him and if I do I don't remember anything
I will do a short ISO on him for now, I would like to vote Beeboat, because a third wagon could lead to more interesting EoD interactions.

Vote: Beeboat

weird, but I was in your PoE, how did it changed between the time I didnt even posted in the thread?

Also @XTMF I am not feeling that good about Hou lynch, I get some of the points you brought, but his reply so far felt genuine or to be more clear, I dont see scum making, what do you think of AL, because I am not seeing any town play from him at all literally. Also I remember a lot of people brought up AL as suspicious but none are willing to vote or push for his lynch.

@Toujo @Imperfection @Just_Red @Alice in Noodleland @Tigerrr in the woods @Rej @Ryu Kishi @Ansatsuken @Houtarou @TheLukundo @beeboat @osieorb18 @-PK-

Can I convince any of you to lynch AL?

 

[Rej]

I think shading Bee is a desperate shade at this point. Guy isn't even bothered to show up.

no it is good, it makes Bee a PoI to discuss and this helps to find out bees alignment. also there is always the possibility that we have scum wagonized, so Bee is the perfect bait set to jump on when scum wants another wagon

I will unvote bee for now, catch up another page then probably vote for hout

 

[Houtarou]

Also, a reason that XTMF won't agree with my points or Osie for the matter. They are more likely perceiving evidence from my posts that prove their claim, and not falsify it, so yeah I think convincing people to be on your side and abandoned their own perspective is not easy.

Someone told me this once "But you sure are confident... Being persuasive shouldn't be your main worries, you'd want to worry about making sure you're right before convincing the players. There aren't many times where you're perfectly sure of something in the mafia, and even then, crying out loud for others to trust you, tends to do its job, mostly. "

I think I wanna start playing my old playstyle again since my this new style not really helping anyone lol

 

[Aether9]

So I can only risk myself with these two people,

-Houtarou
-Just_Red

This's my actual PoE
Toujo-Aether-Beebot

again I am asking for reason*