[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

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i wish to know if i answered at your questions or not and if not you should ask what you want to know.
Well I mean to a point. At this stage I'm willing to move on and put it down to Mafia culture/playstyles for the most part, though I do have issue with "I don't see how this is town but I don't know about scum yet" - this imo feels very wishy washy. But that's a relatively minor point in the grand scheme of things.

One concern I do have though. Why have you not asked me to explain my play style? If you're looking to inform yourself, then surely you should be looking at how I hunt scum, the things I'm looking for etc. This would be solving my slot to me. In your case though, it's like you've defined me by some seperate standard and haven't really wanted to understand the playstyles clash better. If that makes sense.
 
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Well I mean to a point. At this stage I'm willing to move on and put it down to Mafia culture/playstyles for the most part, though I do have issue with "I don't see how this is town but I don't know about scum yet" - this imo feels very wishy washy. But that's a relatively minor point in the grand scheme of things.

One concern I do have though. Why have you not asked me to explain my play style? If you're looking to inform yourself, then surely you should be looking at how I hunt scum, the things I'm looking for etc. This would be solving my slot to me. In your case though, it's like you've defined me by some seperate standard and haven't really wanted to understand the playstyles clash better. If that makes sense.
It's not wishy washy.
It's that i feel you can be scum but without any proof i have to wait for evidence to confirm it or infirm it.

I don't trust self meta. It's just simple as that.
 

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So many players!

My head literally feels hot rn but I'll keep going.


@Poison
I know you are playing the other game.
I feel you've made much better posts this morning and it feels more like you but there's some things that unsettles me from earlier.
Like why did you feel the need to mention SK and his errors?
It's a minor detail I know but it felt like a distraction maybe.
SoulKiller at least delete the unnecessary parts!

RedGloverKing read this. Carefully.
Also are you actually considering Bee your town core or are you joking/fluffing?
Which one is it?
I can't tell it apart and I don't remember you doing smth like this before in the games we played with a new player.

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Did Hout just scumslip?
Hmm...despite your one liners, you voice and opinion is very clear. In my view your play feels a bit unstable though like how you vote someone so fast. I don't know what to make of it yet. On one side you seem genuine, and on the other you seem to accuse and vote people very fast.

Very reserved but gave a POE at the end. Is Al sama usually a mysterious/ few words player?

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Glover- How you can go from a player who posts one liners, to this kind of post? Sorry but it's suspicious to me xD. Are you restraining yourself when you post one liners?

You’ve done it, you’ve been arousing my suspicion, ticking my anger but you HAD to go there. This isn’t a simple wound, it’s a battle scar which had affected my second game’s appearance. You play with me, I’ll play with you!

*I start typing furiously, the keyboard could barely handle the intensity he was writing. A smile slowly appears as he’s finishing, a smile that would scare away many corpses. A smile that makes the angels looking down watch in terror. Poison wasn’t going to regret her decision. As Poison sees what Glover posts a tear goes down her face, then slowly more tears go down. Are you curious what he wrote he wrote.

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Are you the same person that has been modkilled bc of role revealing?( It's a legit question not being sarcastic -.- )
 

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I'm SORYY spoilors got messed up again!:mad:

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So many players!

My head literally feels hot rn but I'll keep going.


@Poison
I know you are playing the other game.
I feel you've made much better posts this morning and it feels more like you but there's some things that unsettles me from earlier.
Like why did you feel the need to mention SK and his errors?
It's a minor detail I know but it felt like a distraction maybe.


Also are you actually considering Bee your town core or are you joking/fluffing?
Which one is it?
I can't tell it apart and I don't remember you doing smth like this before in the games we played with a new player.

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Luke Hmm...despite your one liners, you voice and opinion is very clear. In my view your play feels a bit unstable though like how you vote someone so fast. I don't know what to make of it yet. On one side you seem genuine, and on the other you seem to accuse and vote people very fast.



Very reserved but gave a POE at the end. Is Al sama usually a mysterious/ few words player?

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Glover- How you can go from a player who posts one liners, to this kind of post? Sorry but it's suspicious to me xD. Are you restraining yourself when you post one liners?
You’ve done it, you’ve been arousing my suspicion, ticking my anger but you HAD to go there. This isn’t a simple wound, it’s a battle scar which had affected my second game’s appearance. You play with me, I’ll play with you!

*I start typing furiously, the keyboard could barely handle the intensity he was writing. A smile slowly appears as he’s finishing, a smile that would scare away many corpses. A smile that makes the angels looking down watch in terror. Poison wasn’t going to regret her decision. As Poison sees what Glover posts a tear goes down her face, then slowly more tears go down. Are you curious what he wrote he wrote.

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Are you the same person that has been modkilled bc of role revealing?( It's a legit question not being sarcastic -.- )[/SPOILER]
 
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So how do you intend to differentiate between scummy play and meta?
Sorry, not meta, playstyle.
You didn't like when I said previously something about mafia theory.
Now you are asking me for such thing?

A difference between scummy play and playstyle is made by behaviour. I think scum shows agenda during a game.
In day one gut and meta reads are no.1 reason to make a Poe but after few flips and few vote counts the reads have to be supported by facts.

How will help you my answer in making a step forward in the game?
 

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You didn't like when I said previously something about mafia theory.
Now you are asking me for such thing?

A difference between scummy play and playstyle is made by behaviour. I think scum shows agenda during a game.
In day one gut and meta reads are no.1 reason to make a Poe but after few flips and few vote counts the reads have to be supported by facts.

How will help you my answer in making a step forward in the game?
So, few things

My issue was never purely the concept of Mafia Theory. Not at all, actually. My issue has always been how you have applied it. To conflate these two positions is a fallacy known as a strawman argument. My reason for knowing this is quite important, because it's what will help me to determine your thought process, and which alignment it makes the most sense for. It would also help demonstrate your logical ability.

Number 2. You complained about my reads, and my impression was you thought I was too quick to come to them. Yet here you openly admit that gut plays a large role in Day 1 reads. Can you reconcile this for me?

Your answer above that is satisfactory so I'm not going to press that further.




How will help you my answer in making a step forward in the game?
By you informing as to what exactly it is you're looking for, you are providing a standard from which you can be judged. As an example in this specific case, if you were to simply use what we seem to have established as playstyle conflicts as justification for a scum read, and even try to push that, then that would be an example of you pushing for a lynch as opposed to trying to figure out my alignment. Alternatively if you are clearly making an attempt to filter out the false positives that can arrive from a style of play you do not agree with, then that would be a good look. But it's important that this is clear, because by getting you to commit to a standard now, in the hypothetical that you are scum, it reduces the room you have to argue against me later in the game should this be revisited. And the good thing here is that if you're town, you should have no issue meeting those standards, because as town you have a clear interest in doing so. Does that explain it okay?
 

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Did Poison ever come back and post those writeup thoughts?
Not sure, I don't think so.

Can you clarify something? l feel you went a bit strangely aggressive on Michelle when she mentioned Poison was sleeping. Why?
I mean I don't think she was even defending Poison, it felt like just mentioning a fact.
Yet you replied like she challenged you?
Okay Michelle, you're making me do this now:

The post I quoted of Poison's was post 173. Poison then made another 36(?) posts, last one being post 403. In terms of timespan, that's exactly 1hr 34 minutes inbetween posts. Are you telling me that she could make 36 posts in that timeframe, but couldn't read the OP and post her conclusions? Is that your argument here?

Because if so, er... wew.
 

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Not sure, I don't think so.

Can you clarify something? l feel you went a bit strangely aggressive on Michelle when she mentioned Poison was sleeping. Why?
I mean I don't think she was even defending Poison, it felt like just mentioning a fact.
Yet you replied like she challenged you?
I saw Michelle unduly defend Poison (in my opinion). So I went after it. I was elaborate in the post because the burden was on me to prove that my premise (that Poison could well have made these writeup conclusions in the time she was here) was a feasible one, which I believe I did so.
 
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