[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

[TheLukundo]

Sup. Possibly. I’m tired.

 

[Aether9]

You said I wasn't explaining my reads but I find most of your posts are like this one?
I feel like this post is a belief you held before this game. In addition you aren't really adding any depth to any of your reads.

When relying on a predetermined thought it isn't particularly hard to fake as scum because it's not hard to spot someone who explains reads in few words. It's incredibly easy to call someone scum for something you do all the time. And you don't even need to fake this elaboration because your just telling the truth even if you are scum. To some capacity this is analysis but it's just analysis isn't that related to the game or at least your alignment?

The reason why I only explained my reads in 2 sentences was because if someone disagrees or doesn't understand my theory they can just ask. Otherwise I am just filling the thread with white noise in order to look town (which town players can do tbf).


So if you're wondering why I am voting you is I guess I want you to start thinking outside the box more because these current posts really just feel like motions to me and now it just feels like your justifying your motions with thoughts you've played out in your head 100x as both alignments.

alright I cant argue with what you think because there is not point as mafia can come up with something like that as well, but if you want depth in my read, you can ask me which of my reads lack depth, I'll fill in for you.

 

[Houtarou]

I'm quite disturbed with poison play here I can't seem to decide what read I should give her and it's frustrating considering I always read her easily

 

[Michelle]

i could only do this on laptop tbh

Oh believe me, this is short for me. I take exception with my posts being illogical btw, I'm going to need you to elaborate on that.

i think the lack is in town logic. You are searching 'actively' for scum but you are not successfull in this. Is like we play different games because our reads are not aligned and i don't see such an experimented player rushing reads like you did.

Basically, here is my issue Michelle

You said you think town luk is more serious.
I said on that basis, he seems to be more on scum meta (based on earlier posts made)
You, however, had a town read
When I pointed this out, you said "well, my reads are always low level, it's my meta" - this is issue number 1.

you said

Huh, Town read? Given your listed criteria, I was actually thinking the opposite. But you know him better than I do. Seems like a rather low level meta read, though.

i reacted at that with what i said about my level of reads. You take it as answer for what you 'pointed out' but it isn't.
You also said

Your criteria had Luk acting more seriously as town. That was not my impression of his posting, particularly at the start of the day phase. In fact it was quite the opposite - behaviour which you described as NAI. Do you see my issue here?

Your impression from a game has no value as long as you don't check the meta yourself to see his scum behaviour in a scum and town behaviour in a town game. You are assuming things here.
His fluff is NAI but he had also serious posts. I explained it once.
Do you see my issue here with you rushing things?

Upon further discussion, you claimed I was only seeking a lynch, because I had 3 scum reads and 1 town read. Despite not voting for any scum read - issue number 2.

This is actually worse, the vote is town's number one weapon.

And when I mentioned you dipping, you came back and tried to twist that into me being scum because I didn't just know your personal circumstances - issue number 3.

Anyone may have benign circumstancies for an absence. For eg i had to do the dishes and switch to laptop to make this post and this took the time who passed between your post and my answer. This is not an issue, the problem is you didn't give me the presumption of innocence before jumping to shady conclusions.

I'm willing to let issue 3 slide at this point, as there isn't anything productive to be discussed there, but can you clean up 1 and 2 for me please.

What a generosity, why would you do this?

 

[Aether9]

@Aether9 this post gave me a light impression of it that you suspect Michelle, It's hard to explain this properly since it's such a vague read. You said "Michelle caught my eyes" the keyword here is "caught," I think it'd be easier for me that here you have your doubts on Michelle, but they're nothing more than doubts neither you seems to bother yourself to confirm these doubts. In the end, it could probably your method of playing but I feel like you have set out some doubts on players here and there and went for Ryu Kishi while not really trying to interrogate the players you may doubts or trying to give your focus on other players.

yea you are right, but I am still willing to hear from her before deciding and I believe she can still come here and explain which is why I dont suspect her more than ryu, but as for ryu, he directly accused me of scum, without giving any evidence, is there any going back form there, unless showing proof?

 

[Michelle]

your so called follow up

why do you feel the need to say 'so called'? what is your take?

 

[beeboat]

alright I cant argue with what you think because there is not point as mafia can come up with something like that as well, but if you want depth in my read, you can ask me which of my reads lack depth, I'll fill in for you.

Reads at this stage don't necessarily need depth "mafia can come up with something like that as well", you took the words out of my mouth pretty much. I have an issue with the safety of your play and what you are talking about. I feel like you've said what you've said before in previous game and what you're doing isn't hard to fake.

In addition to your catchup just being a restatement of events.
And that one post where you weren't positive Lukundo was joking he said he was scum with Michelle????

So you have wolfy posts and easy to fake posts so I am having trouble reevaluating even if I wanted to.

 

[TheLukundo]

I’m awake! And busy but awake!

 

[AL_sama]

why do you feel the need to say 'so called'? what is your take?

cause that's the impression I m getting from you

I've already given my take and noting much changed since then

 

[Houtarou]

yea you are right, but I am still willing to hear from her before deciding and I believe she can still come here and explain which is why I dont suspect her more than ryu, but as for ryu, he directly accused me of scum, without giving any evidence, is there any going back form there, unless showing proof?

Instead, thinking from this premise do you think scum would go and just claim randomly that this player is scum? Wouldn't that be too risky play when you're trying to leave a positive impression in the game thread? Where's the fun if you can just throw random shades as scum with nothing to back up.

 

[Houtarou]

@AL_sama what's your conclusion on Kyte and Michelle

 

[Michelle]

Well, my first impression of her is that she, and a few others, seem to think she's the Queen Bee of Mafia on this site or something, and I'm having a hard time seeing as to why that is. I haven't liked that she's tried to clear Luk with her meta read because I don't really see the logic there. There hasn't been a lot for me to give her townie points on, but there hasn't been a lot of things to give her wolfy points on either. I will say I'm not impressed with how she's been playing thus far and she needs to step it up a bit if she's going to present herself like she is.

I find this post slightly insulting at personal level.

Game related is not giving something solid except X didn't make a read on me.

 

[AL_sama]

@Kyte_ if you're here than give your reads

 

[Michelle]

cause that's the impression I m getting from you

I've already given my take and noting much changed since then

say it again please, i forgot

 

[Toujo]

4 scum is standard, 3p in role madness game is also standard.

IDK I am not feeling the need to dive into flavor right now >_>

Didn't you earlier just say my exact prediction of this was TMI? Yet now you're saying it's standard. Reconcile this for me, please.

 

[AL_sama]

@AL_sama what's your conclusion on Kyte and Michelle

tbh not liking mich right now

as for kyte I m hanging

 

[Aether9]

Reads at this stage don't necessarily need depth "mafia can come up with something like that as well", you took the words out of my mouth pretty much. I have an issue with the safety of your play and what you are talking about. I feel like you've said what you've said before in previous game and what you're doing isn't hard to fake.

In addition to your catchup just being a restatement of events.
And that one post where you weren't positive Lukundo was joking he said he was scum with Michelle????

So you have wolfy posts and easy to fake posts so I am having trouble reevaluating even if I wanted to.

as I said there is nothing I can do if thats the impression you are getting, but at first you said my post doesnt have depth but now when I said I'll fill in the depth if you ask, you are saying reads not need depth at this stage, like which is it?

I just didnt see the reason for townie to align themself mafia with someone else, and wasnt sure what to make of that, but I marked that to see if it fits anywhere later on.

 

[Michelle]

You don't have to keep up with us, just vote with us.

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why do you want his vote instead letting him vote his scum reads?

 

[AL_sama]

say it again please, i forgot

I m reading as scum change my mind if possible

 

[Aether9]

as I said there is nothing I can do if thats the impression you are getting, but at first you said my post doesnt have depth but now when I said I'll fill in the depth if you ask, you are saying reads dont* need depth at this stage, like which is it?

I just didnt see the reason for townie to align themself mafia with someone else, and wasnt sure what to make of that, but I marked that to see if it fits anywhere later on.

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