[Game] KINGDOM [ 킹덤 ] MAFIA GAME #25

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DP5 FINAL VOTE TALLY


@SoulKiller - AADONO
@Tigerrr in the woods -
SOULKILLER IMPERFECTION
@Imperfection -PK
@Thestatusquo -
PK AADONO PK
@Hammock -AADONO PK SOULKILLER IMPERFECTION PK
@aa-dono -
HAMMOCK PK
@-PK- AADONO

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AADONO received 2 votes
IMPERFECTIONS 1 vote
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ENDGAME

Few weeks has past since the death of the young physician.
Everyone at the jilyueon clinic was worried because the Head physician and Seobi the head nurse were missing.


They made a rescue team out of few trusted people inside the clinic and started the search.

One day, Two days , Three Days, Four Days ...still no trace.

Until the 5th day they decided to go the farthest valley in the province..where no one dare to go.
THE FROZEN VALLEY.




Up they climb the stiff road . Temperature keep dropping.

They reached the temple under the cave ..where a great surprise awaiting them.


Three Heads were there as sacrificed for the Forest deity.



One was the Head Physcian
The other was the Head Nurse

The last was the hope of the Nation ..true heir of the Nation
Their KINGDOM is now at lost and will continue to suffer at the hands of the CHO CLAN.




PK as SEOBI THE TOWN DOCTOR has DIED

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TIGERR IN THE WOODS AS PRINCE CHANG THE TOWN COP was KILLED

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Now, this has been a rant in our discord server.

I HEREBY SUBMIT A SURVEY ASKING IF YOU GUYS LIKE THE LYNCH IMMUNITY MECHANIC.

I will rant about why it's not and how it easily could've been the death of us.

First of all, it awards bad town play. PK played scummy, actually, matter of fact, I hope he doesn't get pissed about it, but he barely tried, at least the first day. Which is why he ended up being lynched anyway.

So, what happened was, PK had a 1/7 chance to enter an event, and then a 1/5 chance of winning the event. That event gave him a lynch immunity.

WHY ARE LYNCH IMMUNITY MECHANICS UNBALANCED???

1) It steals a mislynch from the scum. The wolves' wincon is to ACHIEVE PARITY. This directly fights against that wincon by BLOCKING A LYNCH, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER, THEREFORE, THAT'S DIRECTLY ADVANCING THE SCUM WINCON.

2) It gives that player a second chance to redeem himself. People don't tempt to go back to the person that failed a lynch, because it was failed, so for whatever reason, they think it will fail again. WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING, THE PLAYER WITH AN IMMUNITY LYNCH IS TOWN READ.

3) It makes it harder for scum to play. The longer the game, the bigger the information output, the harder it is for scum to struggle.

Now, I'd consider a balanced setup to contain around 4 mislynches for the scum team to achieve.

We had 14 players, 11 town, 3 scum.

Let's find out the number of mistakes the village is allowed to make this game and still win

14 : 2 = 7. We substract the number of wolves. That equals 4. That's the number of mistakes villagers are allowed to make and still win if they consecutively lynch wolves afterwards. The number that the scum team has is to make one more mistake than the village are allowed. For this game, that was 5.

Not having a lynch pulled off on D1 can be earth shattering for wolves.

The TL;DR of this is that it rewards bad town play, it directly works against wolves' wincon in a way that is very effective and dumb at the same time. I'd much rather be tracked / cop checked, honest to God. There's nothing more frustrating than failing a lynch, it's like "I just wasted 48 hours for this day phase and my wincondition is not advanced at all. Why am I playing this game?"

In a game where wolves HAVE TO STRUGGLE TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY AND A TOWN MINDSET, SAPPING THEM OFF 48 HOURS WITH A SNAP OF YOUR FINGER WHILE ALSO WORKING AGAINST THEIR DIRECT WINCON IS BAD AND IT CAN MAKE GAMES VERY TOXIC, WOLVES WON'T TRY ANYMORE.

Why did I make this post? I wanted thoughts. I am sure that I'm not the only one that thinks this. This site is the only one that has an immunity lynch mechanic. I have played on way too many sites. Trust me, it's the only one.

I want everyone to weigh in on this, say if they agree or not, so that we encourage hosts to NOT PUT THIS TRASH ROLE / MECHANIC INTO THE GAME EVER AGAIN.

If hosts keep putting it, I suggest letting players know in advance. If I am a wolf and I see a lynch immunity in my games, I WILL SUB OUT. No questions asked. I won't even play.

I'm never playing a game where there's lynch immunity.

Stop allowing / placing this role in your games. It's not fun. It rewards bad play over improving and it can heavily mess with wolves' minds to the point where they don't care anymore.
 

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Good game guys. I was really excited and was really into this game but nvm. Even though I don't deserve to do this but I'm gonna say something about you all.
Also, page 60,
There's the whole game. I'm gonna trust my hunches from the next time.
TSQ
ANSA
SK
TIGER/AADONO

Probably scum.

Okay first things first, @osieorb18 @aa-dono @Tigerr in the woods this is probably the first game/ second game for you guys after a long while and I'm really very sorry that you guys had to see such toxicity. First impressions are important, and osie, I hope you will still play with us in future, you are probably the nicest person I met while playing mafia, for you I don't think you liked the toxicity in it at all. I really am sorry for that and I apologise to all of you for that. But we aren't always toxic XD hope you guys will join us in the future ^^

Okay, next, @Alice in Noodleland, that was a great FIRST Host, thanks for hosting. It was an amazing game, hopefully you'll continue to host just like this. You are great ^^

Coming to my fellow players
@Thestatusquo clearly if we were to vote for MVPs, I'd voted for you, buddy. You were amazing! Like "gwaaa" amazing. You are probably the one and only person I know who seems town as a scum and scum as a town! XD but apart from joking, you are amazing, I got to be your scum partner once and I think you were great there too. You can be the best scum player I know. Cheers to that! And ofc congratulations on winning. You totally deserved it!!!!

@Elmage G Ace now I already gave you the best compliment I could give, in the Dead chat but I'll still say these things, I think you evolve and get better with each game you play. Surely you got a slow DP1 But the rest of it, you "Ace" it. Yes you do. Your arguments against TSQ were nice but I was too dumb to support your wagon then I focused on Ansa/IMP that phase which was useless. But I love how you play and improve ^^ good luck for the upcoming games.

@Michelle to be honest I didn't like you in the starting of the game, you seemed a bit laid back but you got your pace high up soon enough. You are surely one of the best town players, you are calm and composed about everything ^^ and the fact that you trusted me when I could be surely a scum and you tried to understand my Pov that's a very Townie thing to do. We lost because we were scattered. A scattered town never wins.

@osieorb18 you are surely one of the nicest players I have ever met as I told you just a while ago, I'm still repeating it. As far as I know, You are one of the best players in your community, it's too bad you didn't get a good impression from our site but hopefully you won't abandon us, you'll not right?

@Tigerr in the woods actually you played phenomenally if anyone asks me. As a cop to stay alive till the end you did the best things you Could do, you kept on a low profile in the beginning, got a bit of SRed by others so the scum team won't kill you at night and you survived too bad that you got the scums in the very last. But you had a great strategy! Keep it up!! Hope we'll play again.

@Rej for once gimme something that can make me read your play!!!

@-PK- sezy.
@Just_Red I played with you after a long time, I always remembered you as an aggressive and RVS loving player. So I think I was a bit confused with your playstyle this game. But mate you were badly framed by those scums! We'll take revenge soon if we are town again that is XD anyways it was a good game, I enjoyed playing with you.

@Ansatsuken - you disappointed me ngl, I expect great plays from you and the fact you subbed out that pissed me off tbh. You are my favourite player, you gotta keep up with that. So don't ever sub out, if there isn't some urgency. Also, you can't escape me, I'll sniff you out whenever you are anti town! ; D I never noticed anyone's playstyle as I did yours so things started paying off. You gotta stay aware of me.

@Imperfection @Hammock you two are new hope you guys are enjoying the games? ^^

@Dragomir wish you had posted something XD btw all the best for champs!

@aa-dono you were actually a low poster so umm I could not make a proper read on you and I'm really sorry that I said "this person is not at all interested in this game" I was totally wrong about that. I'm ry sorry about it.
 

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Now, this has been a rant in our discord server.

I HEREBY SUBMIT A SURVEY ASKING IF YOU GUYS LIKE THE LYNCH IMMUNITY MECHANIC.

I will rant about why it's not and how it easily could've been the death of us.

First of all, it awards bad town play. PK played scummy, actually, matter of fact, I hope he doesn't get pissed about it, but he barely tried, at least the first day. Which is why he ended up being lynched anyway.

So, what happened was, PK had a 1/7 chance to enter an event, and then a 1/5 chance of winning the event. That event gave him a lynch immunity.

WHY ARE LYNCH IMMUNITY MECHANICS UNBALANCED???

1) It steals a mislynch from the scum. The wolves' wincon is to ACHIEVE PARITY. This directly fights against that wincon by BLOCKING A LYNCH, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER, THEREFORE, THAT'S DIRECTLY ADVANCING THE SCUM WINCON.

2) It gives that player a second chance to redeem himself. People don't tempt to go back to the person that failed a lynch, because it was failed, so for whatever reason, they think it will fail again. WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING, THE PLAYER WITH AN IMMUNITY LYNCH IS TOWN READ.

3) It makes it harder for scum to play. The longer the game, the bigger the information output, the harder it is for scum to struggle.

Now, I'd consider a balanced setup to contain around 4 mislynches for the scum team to achieve.

We had 14 players, 11 town, 3 scum.

Let's find out the number of mistakes the village is allowed to make this game and still win

14 : 2 = 7. We substract the number of wolves. That equals 4. That's the number of mistakes villagers are allowed to make and still win if they consecutively lynch wolves afterwards. The number that the scum team has is to make one more mistake than the village are allowed. For this game, that was 5.

Not having a lynch pulled off on D1 can be earth shattering for wolves.

The TL;DR of this is that it rewards bad town play, it directly works against wolves' wincon in a way that is very effective and dumb at the same time. I'd much rather be tracked / cop checked, honest to God. There's nothing more frustrating than failing a lynch, it's like "I just wasted 48 hours for this day phase and my wincondition is not advanced at all. Why am I playing this game?"

In a game where wolves HAVE TO STRUGGLE TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY AND A TOWN MINDSET, SAPPING THEM OFF 48 HOURS WITH A SNAP OF YOUR FINGER WHILE ALSO WORKING AGAINST THEIR DIRECT WINCON IS BAD AND IT CAN MAKE GAMES VERY TOXIC, WOLVES WON'T TRY ANYMORE.

Why did I make this post? I wanted thoughts. I am sure that I'm not the only one that thinks this. This site is the only one that has an immunity lynch mechanic. I have played on way too many sites. Trust me, it's the only one.

I want everyone to weigh in on this, say if they agree or not, so that we encourage hosts to NOT PUT THIS TRASH ROLE / MECHANIC INTO THE GAME EVER AGAIN.

If hosts keep putting it, I suggest letting players know in advance. If I am a wolf and I see a lynch immunity in my games, I WILL SUB OUT. No questions asked. I won't even play.

I'm never playing a game where there's lynch immunity.

Stop allowing / placing this role in your games. It's not fun. It rewards bad play over improving and it can heavily mess with wolves' minds to the point where they don't care anymore.
yes I like lynch immunity
 
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^ no
lynch immunity is a legit scummy mechanic that can be utilized if the host wants to use it, aslong scum can compensate, and they did with numbers

I guarantee it is not an overused mechanic, but it happened to be convenient recently in some games
get over it, that is a bit of metaplayed enabled :hs:
 
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