[Game] Our loved Mangakas and their masterpieces Mafia Game #19

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Hiho guys, missed start of the day. I will focus less on mafia for the next 4 hours or so, but then I am ready, you guys can ask me stuff.

First of all, seeing how there is an Unjester in game it is very possible that there is options to get the unjester killed. I believe there could be a town killing or even a SK in this game, we dont know yet.

An unjester leaving the game D1 is basically a blessing for everyone. You treat unjester like this:
-Either you remove them as early as possible
-or you let them being endgamed
-or inbetween you let them work for town

I doubt that town will rely on unjesters at this point, but an Unjester truly is more civillian from a perspective on the lynches.


As for the NK, meh I wanted to play with that man, I know shit about his meta, I just rly know that some people see him as a very good player and he indeed seems to be a good host. So yeah I smell fear in that night kill.

Now to the new morning events.
Red is tunneling on Poison which is interesting.

We always have to think the way that mafia got a headsup rn. A vanilla towny plus a role down that can bother/delay mafia and their game. So indeed mafia will be confident and try to take control from now on.

Poison Chan doesnt have control currently. It doesnt put her in good light. Also Red is trying to take too much control of a lynch I feel. I have to revisit Reds play she indeed is a good player and always up for surprises I feel.

Elmage is going into action as promised, he kept his word there, quite civy.

As for Misa, they can be my ISO tarhet for later.

I also have to rivisit my reads on mothbomb, his playstyle rn is interesting too, but besides EoD yesterday his playstyle aint that harmful and can I even dig more information out of it than expected.

About Ansa he is a good null read, he didnt made a wrong decision on lynching Sagebee. Sagebee rly had a consistency break and it was almost confirmed through the flip, since unjester rly needs an adapted playstyle.

I once suspected a friend because he was lover masons with someone else and because of that he changed his playstyle, which ended in him leaking his partnership.

So it depends how Ansa will lynch this DP to make a final conclusion and make him ISOworthy.

More reads will come later.
 

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Okay Page 29 thoughts.

First of all, Sage was an unjester, so no townie lost but it ain't even a help.

Loosing SK this early might be a blow cause he is a good player. Now about his death, my dear red had something to say

You may think, wait this is dumb the people closest with SK would obviously be smart enough to not kill him first round. But the thing is, not many people think this far ahead or even think of this reasoning as a threat.
You know what this is? this pure BS, we are not kids anymore. People do think of consequences. I do not know people, but if I was the mafia that would be the last thing I would do, playing without looking a bit ahead, who does that?. Drawing attention like that isn't something smart all you know red. Actually let's expand your broad speculation a bit, big picture, I am not the mafia, someone wants to put me in a bad position and also needs to get SK out of his way. Now the latter is universal, for everyone it is applicable. Now the first part, who wants me in the bad position?
  • Alice / Luke - the people I scum read by my not so amusing ISO skills. Yeah. But I still see Alice as scum.
  • All Red - "just cause" "gut feeling" "you have weak ISO, lemme vote you"
Can't it be a calculative play? Kills SK the first night, puts Poison in a bad position which was decided prior I guess? And pointing it out the first thing the next day! Cool move isn't it?

Why can't it be you Red, you did it before and I don't see any reasons why you won't do it again. and why not Alice, because she is your scumbuddy? So that leaves Poison whom you wanted to lynch last DP "just cause" "weak ISO". "There is not much in the ISOs."
 

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Here I'm addressing specific players using SK's points;

I do agree that LanMisa and Luke interaction earlier was interesting, I don't know what to make of it yet.
Ok I understand his perspective. Luk and Misa's interactions doesn't indicate anything that can be related to this game. Just two people talking about their game experience.

What you mean exactly these type of games are not my thing? it seems here like you are giving up.
That Naomi girl already being replaced by Conspirator. So we need to start from zero with conspirator.

@bold, especially the "trying to make you find me town" why would you try so hard to let red view you as town? she is not a threat by herself. if you were town you would be confident about it. Only a scum would try to let people view them as town. This part really caught my interest.
When I read this I'm kind of agree with SK. Let your actions do the talking. It's also my MOTO. I mean let your game activity(interaction) speak for you. Your interaction also need to be spread out. Not static with only only single player. Interact with more people to show to people that you're serious with this game, you're serious to solve the 'puzzle'. Let people judge you when you're playing that way. "This looks like town trying to solve the game" or "This looks like Mafia that's trying hard" for example. So that's not the job for LanMisa to ask Red about how she sees LanMisa, a town or not.

QUOTING LanMisa's response;

Soul Killer questioning my intention of building up trust with a player I would like to work together with is pretty awful in that regard and the thought I only did this because Red was voting me is completely off the mark.
(for reference please check the Dracula game where despite losing to the Serial killer, the town core + Serial killer I had helped forming lynched four wolves in a row)

You(Misa) are allowed to build trust with someone in the game by interacting with him/her but just don't asking about Town confirmation from that player. Let your action speak for you. I mean your general action in the game not your specific action with specific player. Because building trust like that is not good. People marked you as Town Misa is because how you posting, the content in your posting. Your posts always sounded mature that's why people were easily town read you. But I think to know your alignment the best way is when town is on the way down. In Dracul game I can clearly see your desperation, deep concern and some emotion outburst. You wanted town to man up and start working. I'm being direct here.

I don't know if you normally get an emotional outburst over such encounters. Could it be stress? but stressed about what? frustrated? hmmm

An Emotional outburst because All_Red voting him. But that can be a reasonable and a justified outburst if All_Red is town but no one knows exactly what's AR's alingment. So the outburst is unnecessary like I never goes outburst when Luku voted me with flimsy reasoning. The outburst also is justifiable if Misa is Wolf.

I don't know why this feels forced. It's screaming please gimme some green points for effort.
I can understand SK's perspective to Rej's ISO on All_Red. I can feel the "try hard" nature but not really felt it "feels forced". Yeah I can agree it screamed like that but it not enough to gives us an AI. It could be coming from Mafia or it could be coming from Town. As both in reality are racing hard to get town points. Anyway for me the ISO feels like a try hard ISO. Slightly in negative way.

Technicality couldn't work here so feelings play the part.


it's like you are trying to get into ansa good side.
Good point here.

I don't like how you are indicating that scum team is weak which is basically saying that scum team is made of the less experienced or afk players. From a scum perspective this could be an attempt to let players focus their attention on escape goat townies who are easy to lynch and then blame it on their inactivity/low posts/ bad plays.
Can you answer this @LanMisa

SK bring good point here.


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Here comes the 'real deal';

Some of my thoughts so far in the game. If you actually read the posts I made above then you can deduce couple of stuff. I am not keen on LanMisa and Rej at the moment. LanMisa interaction with red and his burst did not set well with me. Rej is trying to buddy people whenever he gets the chance, him liking every post in the beginning is also scummy and suspicious, he stopped after when someone said they don't like how emojis being used as reaction to people posts.
Already addressed Misa and Red.

I've same voice with SK here regarding to Rej's reaction(likes) to posts. I felt really annoying with it. But I still don't think its a Scummy move. Action of liking post doesn't indicates Rej is scum. For me it's too easy and Rej is a good mafia player. I never suspect player from their reaction(liking people's post). There's other way to read Rej. Rej's playing style is 'weak' and chaotic as for me. But I give Rej chance to prove me wrong.

LanMisa and Luke interaction is interesting in the beginning. I don't know what to make of it yet.
Just MU members friendly interactions. But constantly unable to provided me with opinion on Luku in this game annoyed me.

Gonna avoid talking about the trio alice, sage, and naomi since these 3 by nature look scummy anyone can make a case against them and push them to get lynched. However, I am keeping close eye on them.
This is logical thinking. But I've forced one of them to interact with me, shares his opinion but he failed.

Ansa seems to be a bit passive right now. He is contributing with different people and giving his opinion, I always feel he is way too fixated in meta and how people played before. Potentially deep wolfing. Noticed something as well about him which I will save for later when he goes higher up in my sus list.
Ahh....my part. Passive in what way I don't even know. Talking about people's META always part of my game. Nothing change. Curious to know in what way or how I'm potentially deep wolfing. And also curious to know what he noticed on me but when he said "I will save for later when he goes higher up in my sus list" I cancelled my intention to asking him. I believe he will not telling me because that's a secret so why bother trying.

My actions will speak for me.

Moth is riding a thin line between being scummy and townie.
I can understand the perspective. But Moth still sit comfortably with many people and vice versa.

Poison, I don't know what to make of her posts yet.
I see Poison now as Alice 2.0. A double edge sword.

Elmage did couple of posts here and there but none of it is really helping him out. Him saying he was rolled as mafia two times back to back and now you finally got a townie role is definitely is not an excuse to make us think you are townie.
But I can feel Elmage is really town now. But he still need to prove.

Luke, null.
As always. I think I need to ask his MU friends what is his success rate of finding scum when he played so simple like this?

All_Red, keeping an eye on her but for now she is in my green list.
OK.
 

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Of course they'd kill him. But here's where I think they messed up:
those that killed him must have played with him enough to fear his skill at mafia. Its true that he may be well renowned in this base, but I will choose to believe that it has to be of a close circle of people that were friendly with him or played with him a lot.
That would narrow the search down to these people:
1. @All_Red - played with Sk, has done move like this in the past: killing off players they knew would be a threat to them
7. @Alice in Noodleland - played with SK, is close with SK
10. @Poison chan - played with SK, is close with SK

Honorable mentions:
5. @Ansatsuken - has played with SK. I dont they are close with him though
6. @Elmage G Ace - also has played with SK, they arent close either

You may think, wait this is dumb the people closest with SK would obviously be smart enough to not kill him first round. But the thing is, not many people think this far ahead or even think of this reasoning as a threat. It is only dp1 so a kill on SK shouldnt alarm too many bells. Also when looking at the list, I would argue the players arent the best mafia players, excluding Ansa, and I would think they would pull a stunt like this before.

Of all the people there though, my suspicion, based on dp1 would be on Poison.
Vote Lynch @Poison chan
So you think Poison is the Godfather?

Yeah I get your logic on possibilities. But SK never threatened Poison before so why Poison need to be scared and killed SK. She should killed you logically speaking.

So your vote actually not based on that many possibilities but your first DP case's points.
 

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@All_Red

In this game we have two examples of ISO.

-Rej's ISO
-Poison's ISO

Both clearly contrasting to each other. Rej's ISOs are for me a "try hard" ISO while Poison's ISOs are 'lazy people' ISOs.

Speaking from logical stands point which of the two you think Scum would pulled?

In my experience playing this game Scum never pulled 'lazy people' ISO. They always tried to pulled out the best possible ISO(like Rej ISO) or they just play normal, less exposing play. Poison's ISOs are laughable lol. She's not even trying.
 

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This feels like a mislynch. And did you get back to me regarding the EOD1 events or not? I'm not sure.
We'll find out soon enough. I'm not an unreasonable player, as such when I'm sure she isn't scum, I'll remove my vote, until then, I haven't even begin to pressure her yet
Elmage sounds really fake with the “ONE OF YOU ARE FAKE”
More like you're feeling threatened... What feels fake to me is you holding onto Ansa having TMI for too long instead of playing, and you're not pressing him, you're not trying to find more evidence. Perhaps I should turn my attention to you

Anyways, I was out since morning. Work. I'll finish my analysis of EOD now @LanMisa
 

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@Rej how TF do you confuse cleavage with cleaver xDxDxD I don't know if that was done on purpose during your interaction with moth, but it seems you're trying to make him look bad, meanwhile, you're actually the one who said you're equipped with a cleaver... I'm taking that as sarcasm, but you saying that is not helping your case later when you accused moth of trying to figure out your role
 

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Btw guys! I'm not going to make one long ass post on everything, I'm going to keep posting the parts I find interesting, so watch out for those, the long posts can be really overwhelming, and I feel like a scum trying to gain townie points could try to do that, so please when ISO we should just get to the point, if a post doesn't ping you, or it can be remove, don't add it x_x
 
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So you think Poison is the Godfather?

Yeah I get your logic on possibilities. But SK never threatened Poison before so why Poison need to be scared and killed SK. She should killed you logically speaking.

So your vote actually not based on that many possibilities but your first DP case's points.
A question for more regular players on AB: How often do you play with Godfather roles? For someone who rarely sees them this is a very odd thought to be had.
 

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Just wanted to post that @Poison chan ISO wasn't useless, some were unnecessary yes, but she was contributing most of the time, so @All_Red your so evidence doesn't hold water, and your list of people that could kill SK is quite interesting, you added yourself first, because, why not? Then you added Poison and Alice. I see the honourable mentions though, but the list could actually be more... Makes it seem like you're trying to target poison, because you can't go for Alice, either because she's an easy target, or your scum buddy... Either way this does not look good on you
 
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A question for more regular players on AB: How often do you play with Godfather roles? For someone who rarely sees them this is a very odd thought to be had.
This also is an odd question in itself.

We have played with Godfather role in numbers of game before and I've been one also in Town of Salem mafia
 

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Just wanted to post that @Poison chan ISO wasn't useless, some were unnecessary yes, but she was contributing most of the time, so @All_Red your so evidence doesn't hold water, and your list of people that could kill SK is quite interesting, you added yourself first, because, why not? Then you added Poison and Alice. I see the honourable mentions though, but the list could actually be more... Makes it seem like you're trying to target poison, because you can't go for Alice, either because she's an easy target, or your scum buddy... Either way this does not look good on you
Exactly my point. It is not the ISO thing at all, I think she wants me out of the game from the very beginning. It is like she just needs an excuse, I think she feels threatened by me somehow. Here's my theory why, I am town reading @LanMisa for a certain something, and I think he realises something about me too. All red, if in the scum team might just be threatened by me without knowing what it is. And SK's death, that could be a calculative kill too. Clearing two threats together!?
 
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