[Game] Our loved Mangakas and their masterpieces Mafia Game #19

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@mothbomb

You know you started this cleaver shit, right?
I hope you are aware that YOU force me into a position where YOU make me look like what? A killing role?

This is the biggest scumtell I have seen this far, because it was basically bullshitting and you bring it back.
I never ask for claims, not even directly btw so please...can you elaborate on that point again?
 

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Moth indirectly looks for a way to tell if I am a killing role or not = roleblocker.

mothbomb could be a mafia roleblocker mon ami
 

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Waiting for a post where you are not softly meta-defending Lukundo. Pllllllx.
The more you do the more suspicious it looks.
I do agree that LanMisa and Luke interaction earlier was interesting, I don't know what to make of it yet.

my scumreads are like this


soul seemed like his big post was prepared and was delayed. it felt odd.
The quotes were prepared

@Rej don't expect much, as i mention these type of games are not my thing.

Also from what i learn playing these type, people on first day putting votes.

are usually scum day invest.
What you mean exactly these type of games are not my thing? it seems here like you are giving up.

Red, yesterday I spent a LOT of posts trying to engage with you, trying to find you town, trying to make you find me town. You cannot seriously believe, after all of that, that my intention is to just speedlynch you for "being desinterested". I have said many, many, many times that I do not want to vote you and that I'd absolutely loathe being wrong on you, but even I have a limit.
@bold, especially the "trying to make you find me town" why would you try so hard to let red view you as town? she is not a threat by herself. if you were town you would be confident about it. Only a scum would try to let people view them as town. This part really caught my interest.

Also sorry for drifting off, but after that emotional outburst I needed a bit of time to cool off and get at least slightly level-headed again.
I don't know if you normally get an emotional outburst over such encounters. Could it be stress? but stressed about what? frustrated? hmmm

Eh...
SoulKiller I hoped was trying to bait people but vanished, so not a good look
Time difference mostly. when I am usually available everyone else is in dreamland.

ISO on RED:

Entrance Stage:

I count as entrance, the first hour someone spends into the game, often a singular post that indicates the mood and motivation of a player on a superficial view. As a civillian you mostly want to get compliments during an entrance or have someone react to you, let's see how RED performed at this:
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Phase one, the "laughter":
Red wasted 3 posts within atleast a 12 minute time frame, this is indicated as a "Complex".
Complexes can mean anything at this point, the best thing would a direct confrontation with @All_Red to clearly state why.
All in all this left no impressions a civillian should leave.

Phase two, the "connection":
Following the entrance of a game a player, especially a civillian will try to connect with people.
We have a double turn basically here, where Red refers to my point against Misas entrance and brings it up to have Misa pressure voted.

Following that she was rather carefully posting, this can be normal after going into agression.
Red basically took what I served and went for it with agression, one could say this could be staged by me and Red, but I can tell you I am also confused about this agression.

Following that I once said that I feel Red is playing out of place, this is where it started.
Is it a good indicator? We will see.


Dynamic Stage:
In the DS of the Day One a Civillian is supposed to create dynamics and serve reads for fellow civillian players, also this is where the "Inquisition Stage" starts off. This phase holds aslong as no wagons has been settled. Let's see what Red is doing after the Entrance:
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tbh Red serves a childish playstyle, but I don't see her overacting herself, she has freeminded statements and this leads her into complimenting a proactive "wall-"post by Poison Chan out of gut. Poison Chan was a good target and in the end, a read is a read and she served one. Do I see any suspicious scum dynamics? A bad scum throws bad suspicion or bad town reads, a good scum brings details to the table that can be malicious, a civillian just tries to sell their mind and Red is not carrying scum indicating aspects with her at this point.

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Red distances herself from the "Wagon and Evaluation Stage" and it is a logical point to consider in this DP, a timeframe to make ISOs (my example rn). Red was pretty careful at some parts of her entrance, she reflects that carefulness in that statement = Consistency! (good indicator)

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Again back to the topic "Out of Place". This can be seen here, Red is indeed worrying about why people neg reading her, and this indeed is the most crumbling aspect of her DP at this point. You can see she tries to play town and at this point I emphasize the "try" and a possible disappointment in her being read as scum, indicating that she adapted a civ mindset upon her recent approaches. Jumping on the Luku/Ansa topic is a good thing, since Luku jumped on Ansa and Ansa received neg reads. Bad timing, but Red was probably cornered at that point and hence the out of place post #181 .
How scummy it really is? I can't tell at this point.

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Red you owe me really after this, and I mean really.

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I served my reads and dynamics, and I shift to my own evaluation stage here because I see the necessity for town in this and to generate a good lynch towards EoD. (if not answered, a town read of mine were you and now I basically deliver my promised Red ISO to @LanMisa before moving on.

Above we see a cooldown play by Red and it is understandable after delivering an play out of place.
Opening a dynamic towards me, which is always a friendly indicator, even after being scum read and out of place she keeps up. It is a good indicator within this mess.

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Finally another mess where Red jumps on Misa.
This is OMGUS behaviour basically, since Misa always had a doubt on Red, I feel, else this discussion wouldn't had lead to this point, problem was that Misa received some town reads at this point and was quite in a green bracket for most people, which was the worst part of her play and she basically admits it in the end which leads to an unvote.
Yes could be compensating an uncareful scum move in the end and is a bad indicator in all this mess and it contradicts the careful playstyle Red partially adapted since the entrance and it is a mayor consistency-break.
I made this ISO for an hour now and I don't know how far I catched up but this has to be justified.

As conclusion the break at the end was not good and a bad indicator, all in all she adapted an obvious civillian playstyle and didn't leak enough to justify her as scum. Her votes are just engager and not anything to solidify a wagon or create heavy burst against town. I don't smell those intentions tbh.

She is a strong civ read or a really really leaky scum, and this what I doubt, but I leave it open for those who want to use my ISO for a counter thesis. I wanna stand to my thesis that she is a town that made quite transparent misplays.

I can't detail into posts, as this would cost me another hour lol.
Please I beg others to do an ISO on a random person and deliver some hungry personas something to evaluate.
I don't know why this feels forced. It's screaming please gimme some green points for effort.

That's where I learned to value to play with Ansatsuken and I hope he is town in this game.
it's like you are trying to get into ansa good side.
I think scum is in sage, naomi, alice areas
sage always looks scummy, same for alice. Always, seem scummy but end up townies. As of naomi, she was much more active when she was townie in this one game I saw her play. I don't know if she is the lurker type when she is scum.
 
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Like I said, I do more of observations DP1, it's just a little unusual for me that this DP is long >_>

That being said, I think @Ansatsuken @TheLukundo @LanMisa @mothbomb
I have a feeling this will be important later on. I don't know how I feel about these reads.

I feel like this is one of the games where the scum team isn't extremely strong (bar possibly one member) and the key to winning is to kill the weaker and/or less active scum before the weaker and/or less active town need to take over since we others were killed during the night, So while I do think that lynching there has a good chance of hitting I also think that it has a good chance of missing.

On the other hand, if we identify the one higher-posting wolf and get them killed this phase the rest of the game should be a matter of finding a towncore and then mercilessly lynching outside of it. That is my take at least.
I don't like how you are indicating that scum team is weak which is basically saying that scum team is made of the less experienced or afk players. From a scum perspective this could be an attempt to let players focus their attention on escape goat townies who are easy to lynch and then blame it on their inactivity/low posts/ bad plays.
 
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You can always evolve and get out of your shell bro, I believe in it. :)
why i feel you say nice things so you can get under people good side?

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Seems like he was analyzing the stuff he was reading while being busy unable to actually contribute at that time of the day due to work.

@mothbomb

Why Noami looked suspicious to you? Any good reason you can share with us? What's your opinion on Alice and Sage?

Alice feels more quite than before.
He is too fixated into these 3 players and honestly they are the easiest targets to go after right now.

What do all these posts have in common?

Naomi rose reacted to all these posts

never quoted any of these posts

never talked about a single one of these posts

never gave a read on a single one of these players

and has produced more reactions than ACTUAL posts this game
nice catch, her lurking levels is indeed alarming.
 

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Aight so, @SoulKiller stop beating around the bush. Just posting Tommy's GIFs won't find you scums, but if you are one yourself, then do join my red list!
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Ar and lanmisa not big priority doubt mafia try get attention this early in the game

You and Luke I'm not sure about what happened between you two?
From the looks of it, it seems you paid little attention to the thread and what is actually going on.
 

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@mothbomb

You know you started this cleaver shit, right?
I hope you are aware that YOU force me into a position where YOU make me look like what? A killing role?

This is the biggest scumtell I have seen this far, because it was basically bullshitting and you bring it back.
I never ask for claims, not even directly btw so please...can you elaborate on that point again?
He is being obsessed with cleaver not gonna lie, which I find it weird.
 

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The Mind is willing but the flesh is weak.

I will try to catch up. Unexpected extra work.

But there are some interesting things i noticed while trying to read the thread last night.
Sagebee's post behaviour. Seems like being a puppet.



I will address it properly during my break time.
 

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Some of my thoughts so far in the game. If you actually read the posts I made above then you can deduce couple of stuff. I am not keen on LanMisa and Rej at the moment. LanMisa interaction with red and his burst did not set well with me. Rej is trying to buddy people whenever he gets the chance, him liking every post in the beginning is also scummy and suspicious, he stopped after when someone said they don't like how emojis being used as reaction to people posts.

LanMisa and Luke interaction is interesting in the beginning. I don't know what to make of it yet.

Gonna avoid talking about the trio alice, sage, and naomi since these 3 by nature look scummy anyone can make a case against them and push them to get lynched. However, I am keeping close eye on them.

Ansa seems to be a bit passive right now. He is contributing with different people and giving his opinion, I always feel he is way too fixated in meta and how people played before. Potentially deep wolfing. Noticed something as well about him which I will save for later when he goes higher up in my sus list.

Moth is riding a thin line between being scummy and townie.

Poison, I don't know what to make of her posts yet.

Elmage did couple of posts here and there but none of it is really helping him out. Him saying he was rolled as mafia two times back to back and now you finally got a townie role is definitely is not an excuse to make us think you are townie.

Luke, null.

All_Red, keeping an eye on her but for now she is in my green list.
 

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The Mind is willing but the flesh is weak.

I will try to catch up. Unexpected extra work.

But there are some interesting things i noticed while trying to read the thread last night.
Sagebee's post behaviour. Seems like being a puppet.



I will address it properly during my break time.
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