[Game] SK - League Of Legends Mafia Game Thread! Fight Or Be Forgotten!! #15

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Elmage G Ace

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Can you actually again me show me the entire ISo with a case? My reason for being absent, well as a human being I have to sleep to live, so I did. Not my fault EoD time is too broken for me that I can't awake at that time

What do you mean by drop this and scum hunt? Isn't that questioning is part of the scum hunting, wait, can you ask others who's active more? me or you? lol
I didn't post the ISO, I only do that when I find something fishy, I can point you to the posts of his I found fishy, I've also ISOed you DP1 but like I said, when I do find something off, I'd post it

Also, I've answered your question with my reason for voting conspirator earlier, still you didn't drop it, and further more, I wasn't the only voter, but you seemed convinced I'm scum, on what grounds? Because I voted conspirator? That's not enough reason. If you want to comes at me build a case ask questions, don't repeat the same question over again, you can ISO me too and ask for clarification, but you're seemingly not doing that, which makes your efforts look forced
 

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I didn't post the ISO, I only do that when I find something fishy, I can point you to the posts of his I found fishy, I've also ISOed you DP1 but like I said, when I do find something off, I'd post it

Also, I've answered your question with my reason for voting conspirator earlier, still you didn't drop it, and further more, I wasn't the only voter, but you seemed convinced I'm scum, on what grounds? Because I voted conspirator? That's not enough reason. If you want to comes at me build a case ask questions, don't repeat the same question over again, you can ISO me too and ask for clarification, but you're seemingly not doing that, which makes your efforts look forced
If you have an entire case for conspirator in mind, please I like to see that in words
 

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I have already posted in this DP that why I thought conspirator was a town, you and Kyte seems to be the only one with no reason or good reason votes on conspirator while mendel just wanted to break the tie and Scarlet play speaks for her
 

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That's easy lynch, and honestly Alice not getting lynch today, it's Al
And why is that?
If you have an entire case for conspirator in mind, please I like to see that in words
You want to see my case in words, for an already lynched player, yet you're not presenting any case concrete case on me or AL, wonderful strategy! I'll present my case on conspirator to you, (even though it's a useless info now, because he's gone) after you present or own case on me, and AL that you're sure is getting lynched
 

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I have already posted in this DP that why I thought conspirator was a town, you and Kyte seems to be the only one with no reason or good reason votes on conspirator while mendel just wanted to break the tie and Scarlet play speaks for her
Point me to the post please, also I hope it's not the one you stated after he has been lynched, because that logic was a little faulty
 

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It's not faulty at all, it's not hard to see the difference between slacking town and scum low profile play
It's very easy to state that someone is town because of this and that, AFTER he has been lynched anyone can do that, so that post was useless, infact, if I was scum, I'd do exactly what you're doing now, to make a townie look guilty and get lynched

I do think you're town for now, but my opinion of you is that despite your experience, and you thoughts about how a scum could behave, you're not excellent and hinting scum. I could be wrong though, you sused rej yes, but based on his role, he could play perfectly as town until the end before revealing his true colours, so that don't count, and you targeting me just goes to prove my point. If you've ISOed me, and came to the conclusion that I'm scum, then you're probably terrible at catching scum. I do have a different target now, so I'm going to ignore you untill you asked a different question, or have a different case against me
 

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ok, your vote is on 1609, I found it

How do you know moth's vote was not counted? It could have been Michelle's vote?
How do you know it wasn't self-imposed (like a secret voter, for example)?
yes, one or more among AL, Michelle, and moth could be a 'secret voter' who voted Conspirator via PM last DP, but last DP, their votes didn't contradict the vote tally, and you could argue that their public votes matched their secret votes, but Conspirator was already leading last DP regardless of these additional secret votes on him, which leads me to think that they wouldn't undergo the risk of exposing themselves meaninglessly when they hid it on DP 1.


So, I'm sticking to my theory that the bear knocked two players down, reducing their voting power to 0. I know AL is one of them, and I'd say Moth over Michelle, because Michelle had her vote in the open for a long time last DP, and she wasn't even active at the time the bear was activated and not even sometime before that, makes me think that Moth was the one chosen. I don't think their are secret votes involved.

What's perplexing though is that you're saying i have secret votes; how is that possible? If you think your vote didn't actually count for conspirator then that's a 4 votes gap we don't were from. That can't be secret votes.
 

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It's very easy to state that someone is town because of this and that, AFTER he has been lynched anyone can do that, so that post was useless, infact, if I was scum, I'd do exactly what you're doing now, to make a townie look guilty and get lynched

I do think you're town for now, but my opinion of you is that despite your experience, and you thoughts about how a scum could behave, you're not excellent and hinting scum. I could be wrong though, you sused rej yes, but based on his role, he could play perfectly as town until the end before revealing his true colours, so that don't count, and you targeting me just goes to prove my point. If you've ISOed me, and came to the conclusion that I'm scum, then you're probably terrible at catching scum. I do have a different target now, so I'm going to ignore you untill you asked a different question, or have a different case against me
@Houtarou would you trust me if I told you a guy with a post like this is most probably town, coming from someone who's suspicions on Ace had reached its pinnacle? We can't afford to mis-lynch this DP, that's a No-No.


Also, i'll review the last 2-3 pages, but seems like I've decided on who will get my vote this DP.
 

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I openly voted for PK though
keeping in mind I havent read today's posts yet,
PK had two voters , moth and yourself, but only one vote was counted against him.
A secret voter role still posts a vote publicly, but this vote is not counted if they PM a private vote instead.
So if moth or you were a secret voter, you'd have cast your vote on PK publicly, but privately voted Conspirator.
This means your quote above is not a counterargument.

A secret voter can align their secret vote with their public vote. That makes their vote transparent.
Sending a different private vote is deceptive, and as town you only have two reasons for this:
a) to indirectly claim this ability. you'd vote a town clear for this that nobody else votes, so when your public vote is not counted, we can deduce something about you. (but this is probably bad play)
b) to wrest lynch control from mafia. you might feel that mafia is trying to create a tie, or trying to lynch a townie. in that case, you place yourself on the mafia-driven wagon, and vote the counterwagon secretly.
As mafia, you'd do it to hide that you controlling the lynch.

PK (incorrectly?) suggested that moth and me had their votes stolen when the bear appeared. If you are a secret voter, then putting your public vote on PK meant that everyone would jump to the conclusion that the missing vote was caused by moth or me having ours stolen, because PK had already introduced this idea. The PK vote provides perfect cover for you IF you are a secret voter, and the PK wagon having 3 votes but really only 2 would make the actual lynch be unexpected, and be blamed on me.

The drawback to this theory is that it works much better if mafia are trying to prevent a PK lynch. But PK flipped town this morning, so it's a lot less likely to be true now. There is no reason I can see that makes mafia want to lynch Conspirator over PK, unless they knew Conspirator's role (which I don't remember right now).

btw, Poison chan flipped town, and had you pegged as scum on D1. Should we believe that and lynch you?
 
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