Avani said:
You miss the point and I'm not here to discuss whether transgender are rule abiding people or not. That's not the point of discussion. It's simply that if there is a difference between a transgender women and woman and whether women should be forced to compete with trans-women in women's sports or forced to share space with trans women in shelters designated to women.
Trans women do not to compete with men or share shelters for the same reason. - or we are to assume all men are criminal unless they are trans gender? You are concerned for them- make provisions for them without endangering women or forcing women to compete with biologically different group. Female boxers getting hammered by trans women is not giving women their own space.
Was just trying to make more discussion... and that is what discussions do, they get branched off because one thing leads to another. If you're not here for that I understand...
I don't miss the point. I get it. Should they be put in the same category of things, is it fair, is it right, etc. You make a good point about the shelters, it makes sense. I am just positioning myself as the "devils advocate" in this discussion because it offers more points and things to talk about. I am trying to picture this from the opposite side as everyone else. Such as, they don't share shelters, but they have already started sharing bathrooms. Which in your links, have been proven to cause harm to other people because of people faking things. However, there are a vast majority who use the bathroom just fine. You wouldn't even know that they were once a man/woman in some cases.
Devil advocate question: if a female isn't comfortable with a transgendered person using their bathroom, why is it okay for the transgendered person to have to suffer? Because you could also ask, if a trasngendered person is not comfortable using their original gendered shelter/restroom/sport/whatever, why should they have to suffer? At the end of the day, people are people and we all have emotions.
No matter what the world likes, transgenders are a thing and it's only going to grow. So more questions like this will begin to rise. I see both sides of the spectrum and I don't firmly sway to one opinion...
I already shared my opinion on the sports delima, and the boxing delima in which I agreed with what you are saying mostly... I was just trying to offer up a realitve discussion to this one and more questions for debate, I literally see both sides and it's fine if you don't want to continue the discussion in the direction It was forming.