Madara’s Rinnegan casts genjutsu.

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To begin, Hagoromo said that Kaguya utilized both of her doujutsu to cast IT the first time around. It isn’t elaborated on what role the Byakugan played there but we can assume that the sharingan casted the genjutsu on the populace, in this case.

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Now when Madara casts IT, his own Rinnegan are reflected in the eyes of the populace as opposed to the Juubi’s sharingan, despite the moon having the sharingan projected onto it:

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In essence for Madara’s case, the Juubi’s sharingan is only useful for making the moon the catalyst for the genjutsu to be projected onto and creating the illuminating light that shines through all things. As Madara describes:

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Which is also why a mere Rinnegan is all that’s needed to defy the IT genjutsu, Much like a Mangekyou sharingan and Uchiha blood can defy Tsukuyomi.

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Anyway, when Sasuke uses his Rinnegan to cast genjutsu on the Bijuu, his Rinnegan is reflected in their eyes which includes the tomoe:

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Therefore, if the Juubi’s sharingan is what had cast the genjutsu rather than just being a medium, then the tomoe would’ve been reflected on the eyes of the populace as well.

Sasuke even confirms that Madara’s Rinnegan is what casted the genjutsu:

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-Extras-

-Edo Madara’s fake Rinnegan reverted to a sharingan to cast a genjutsu on Ay

-Momoshiki’s Rinnegan didn’t have any tomoe yet his Rinnegan had casted the “genjutsu” onto Boruto. That whole scenario is still a cluster **** though.

-Sasuke’s Rinnegan genjutsu didn’t give Sakura a Rinnegan pattern in her eyes, for whatever reason. Much like when Obito put Konan to sleep.

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[salamander uchiha]

5 star thread. It should've been obvious as Madara said Sasuke's Rinnegan is the same power as his. You've provided more proof to cement the argument.

 

[King Of Pop]

This is obviously false

-If the Juubi sharingan simply acted as the medium in the case of madara as you say then kaguya shouldn't have been able to cast the Genjutsu unless of course you want to tell us that her Byakugan can casts Genjutsu as well. The victim's eye's showing Rinnegan could simply be because it is the doujutsu of the caster- in this case madara. You can't even use this argument considering we never saw the eyes of the victims that kaguya trapped in IT so for all we know their eyes could have depicted a byakugan as well even though she was using the Rinne-Sharingan to cast it as Hagoromo stated. In addition you can clearly see the Rinne-sharingan being depicted as the doujutsu casting the Genjutsu in your second panel. If it was the Rinnegan, the author would have emphasized more on them

-Sasuke was simply assuming the Rinne-sharingan to be a Rinnegan which would make sense from his POV considering that was the first time he had ever encountered it. But we know he was wrong because hagoromo who does have knowledge of it called it a Sharingan. So it was not a Rinnegan genjutsu as he stated but a Sharingan/Rinne Sharingan Genjutsu

That also explains why sasuke can cast genjutsu with his Rinnegan because his Rinnegan retain his Sharingan powers. Case in point the sharingan aspect is what is casting the genjutsu in the case of sasuke and IT that madara used. Rinnegan by itself cannot or has not shown the ability to use Genjutsu be it madara or hagoromo's. Sasuke is different as explained

Edo madara needing the switch to sharingan to use Genjutsu hurts your argument more if anything. Momoshiki never casted genjutsu on boruto. His time stopping jutsu was never expanded on

 

[Animegoin]

This is obviously false

-If the Juubi sharingan simply acted as the medium in the case of madara as you say then kaguya shouldn't have been able to cast the Genjutsu unless of course you want to tell us that her Byakugan can casts Genjutsu as well. The victim's eye's showing Rinnegan could simply be because it is the doujutsu of the caster- in this case madara. You can't even use this argument considering we never saw the eyes of the victims that kaguya trapped in IT so for all we know their eyes could have depicted a byakugan as well even though she was using the Rinne-Sharingan to cast it as Hagoromo stated. In addition you can clearly see the Rinne-sharingan being depicted as the doujutsu casting the Genjutsu in your first panel. If it was the Rinnegan, the author would have emphasized more on them

-Sasuke was simply assuming the Rinne-sharingan to be a Rinnegan which would make sense from his POV considering that was the first time he had ever encountered it. But we know he was wrong because hagoromo who does have knowledge of it called it a Sharingan. So it was not a Rinnegan genjutsu as he stated but a Sharingan/Rinne Sharingan Genjutsu

That also explains why sasuke can cast genjutsu with his Rinnegan because his Rinnegan retain his Sharingan powers. Case in point the sharingan aspect is what is casting the genjutsu in the case of sasuke and IT that madara used. Rinnegan by itself cannot or has not shown the ability to use Genjutsu be it madara or hagoromo's. Sasuke is different as explained

Edo madara needing the switch to sharingan to use Genjutsu hurts your argument more if anything. Momoshiki never casted genjutsu on boruto. His time stopping jutsu was never expanded on

Obviously not, while your assumption is.

-Kaguya/the Juubi has a sharingan, not that retarded ass name you people came up with. And Like I specified in the OP, in Madara’s case he used his own Rinnegan to cast the genjutsu while Kaguya had to use the third eye. And again, like I said in the OP, Kaguya utilized both of her doujutsu for it, Hagoromo said so himself so that nulls your point. In regards to the victims eyes, that literally means that Madara’s Rinnegan is what had casted the genjutsu, that’s common sense and has been reoccurring throughout the series. And that “victims having the Byakugan eyes” portion is asinine, and shouldn’t be discussed any further. Especially considering that the victims in Kaguya’s era could’ve had the Sharingan design in their eyes. For the last portion, you need to re-read the OP thoroughly, if you had at all. In Madara’s case, The Juubi’s sharingan was for the illuminating light and making the moon the canvas, while Madara’s Rinnegan is what casted the jutsu.

-No, Sasuke confirmed that it was a Rinnegan genjutsu. The only thing he wasn’t sure of is whether his own Rinnegan would be able to undo it. And Hagoromo gave the same backstory to both Naruto and Sasuke, so Sasuke KNEW Kaguya’s eye was called a sharingan and yet, he explicitly made that distinction. Which again, is why another Rinnegan can counteract the effects...as I’d stated in my OP.

-As explained, if Sasuke’s Rinnegan (that retains sharingan properties) displayed the tomoed Rinnegan in the victims eyes, then why didn’t the Infinte Tskuyomi? Case and point. Neither Madara nor Hagoromo were given the opportunity to use genjutsu, aside from Edo Madara, more explained below. But Madara did use Rinnegan genjutsu when he casted IT.

-Edo Madara’s switch to EMS is noted but shouldn’t be used as the “ultimate” evidence considering that Edo Madara activated his EMS to use Susano’o for the first time despite him being able to use Susano’o with his Rinnegan, And he was able to use it without having eyes in his head at all after he was revived. Also, Momoshiki’s Rinnegan is what had casted that “genjutsu” which is why only Sasuke’s Rinnegan could perceive it. Again, Rinnegan = Rinnegan.

 

[King Of Pop]

=Animegoin;21837980]Obviously not, while your assumption is.

Not really

-Kaguya/the Juubi has a sharingan, not that retarded ass name you people came up with.

Sharingan/Rinne sharingan, Whatever. it changes absolutely nothing so irrelevant

And Like I specified in the OP, in Madara’s case he used his own Rinnegan to cast the genjutsu while Kaguya had to use the third eye.

No, just like kaguya, he used the third eye to cast it, otherwise there would be no point of him even going through the trouble of the awakening the eye in the first place if he could just use his Rinnegan after flying up. Don't bring that bs "it was used as a medium" because the moon did that, not the third eye

And again, like I said in the OP, Kaguya utilized both of her doujutsu for it, Hagoromo said so himself so that nulls your point.

Not exactly. he said she used her ocular powers, the third eye is among her ocular powers so that conforms to his statement. Same way if someone says sasuke used his ocular powers to trap the biju, it wouldn't mean he used both his sharingan/Ems and Rinnegan. It's just a general description

In regards to the victims eyes, that literally means that Madara’s Rinnegan is what had casted the genjutsu, that’s common sense and has been reoccurring throughout the series.

"Common sense" isn't an argument. Like I said the victims eye's depicting the Rinnegan could also be because that is madara-the caster ocular power and not because that is what he is using to cast the genjutsu. I can make that assumption because you have no evidence kaguyas victims eye's didn't also show byakugan in the same manner

And that “victims having the Byakugan eyes” portion is asinine, and shouldn’t be discussed any further.

Lol why? because it shits on your claims? who's to say they didn't also show byakugan in the same way madara's victims eyes showed Rinnegan? You don't know because we never saw it but it could mean that's how IT operates so you have no basis for your argument.

Especially considering that the victims in Kaguya’s era could’ve had the Sharingan design in their eyes.

Exactly OR they could also just have the byakugan as I said. None of us know so if so you can't make the assumption you are making.

For the last portion, you need to re-read the OP thoroughly, if you had at all. In Madara’s case, The Juubi’s sharingan was for the illuminating light and making the moon the canvas, while Madara’s Rinnegan is what casted the jutsu.

Except the bold is a made up baseless assumption backed by nothing. The manga never said anything about the third eye use being to illuminate the light or the nonsense that you made up. What we DO know however is that Kaguya used the eye to cast Genjutsu/IT so no reason why it wouldn't be the same with Madara especially when the latter has never given any sort of reason to claim he can use genjutsu with his Rinnegan, none at all.

-No, Sasuke confirmed that it was a Rinnegan genjutsu. The only thing he wasn’t sure of is whether his own Rinnegan would be able to undo it. And Hagoromo gave the same backstory to both Naruto and Sasuke, so Sasuke KNEW Kaguya’s eye was called a sharingan and yet, he explicitly made that distinction. Which again, is why another Rinnegan can counteract the effects...as I’d stated in my OP.

Ill give you the first point. However sasuke also made a wrong assumption that the genjutsu can be cancelled by another Rinnegan which we know is false as the requirement to dispel IT is both Rinnegan user and one who has all the Bijuu chakra. So all of sasuke's statement there isn't exactly credible

-As explained, if Sasuke’s Rinnegan (that retains sharingan properties) displayed the tomoed Rinnegan in the victims eyes, then why didn’t the Infinte Tskuyomi?

IT=/=Sasuke's Genjutsu. So irrelevant. As stated We didn't get to see the victim's eyes of another IT user in kaguya for you to make the conclusion that it showed the rinnegan because madara casted it with his Rinnegan. It could have depicted the byakugan, it couldn't have so you can't use this as evidence, simple as that.

Case and point. Neither Madara nor Hagoromo were given the opportunity to use genjutsu, aside from Edo Madara, more explained below. But Madara did use Rinnegan genjutsu when he casted IT.

Madara fought many opponent's with Rinnegan back from when he was Edo till he got stabbed by BZ so he did have opportunities. Bold no he didn't

-Edo Madara’s switch to EMS is noted but shouldn’t be used as the “ultimate” evidence considering that Edo Madara activated his EMS to use Susano’o for the first time despite him being able to use Susano’o with his Rinnegan, And he was able to use it without having eyes in his head at all after he was revived.

Activating Ems when you already have your normal sharingan activated is way different to literally switching from Rinnegan to sharingan to use a particular Jutsu. If he could do it with Rinnegan there is ZERO point in switching. You don't see him switch from Rinnegan to use Susanoo do you? in fact not once did he ever switch from his Rinnegan to his sharingan since he activated the former with the only exception being that one time, coincidence? I think not

Also, Momoshiki’s Rinnegan is what had casted that “genjutsu” which is why only Sasuke’s Rinnegan could perceive it. Again, Rinnegan = Rinnegan.

Except Momoshiki never casted a Genjutsu. Again what he did was NOT expanded on so you saying it's genjutsu is speculation. The only thing we know is that it stopped time, nothing else. Except you have a panel confirming it as Genjutsu then I'll concede

 

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Not really Sharingan/Rinne sharingan, Whatever. it changes absolutely nothing so irrelevant No, just like kaguya, he used the third eye to cast it, otherwise there would be no point of him even going through the trouble of the awakening the eye in the first place if he could just use his Rinnegan after flying up. Don't bring that bs "it was used as a medium" because the moon did that, not the third eye Not exactly. he said she used her ocular powers, the third eye is among her ocular powers so that conforms to his statement. Same way if someone says sasuke used his ocular powers to trap the biju, it wouldn't mean he used both his sharingan/Ems and Rinnegan. It's just a general description "Common sense" isn't an argument. Like I said the victims eye's depicting the Rinnegan could also be because that is madara-the caster ocular power and not because that is what he is using to cast the genjutsu. I can make that assumption because you have no evidence kaguyas victims eye's didn't also show byakugan in the same manner Lol why? because it shits on your claims? who's to say they didn't also show byakugan in the same way madara's victims eyes showed Rinnegan? You don't know because we never saw it but it could mean that's how IT operates so you have no basis for your argument. Exactly OR they could also just have the byakugan as I said. None of us know so if so you can't make the assumption you are making. Except the bold is a made up baseless assumption backed by nothing. The manga never said anything about the third eye use being to illuminate the light or the nonsense that you made up. What we DO know however is that Kaguya used the eye to cast Genjutsu/IT so no reason why it wouldn't be the same with Madara especially when the latter has never given any sort of reason to claim he can use genjutsu with his Rinnegan, none at all. Ill give you the first point. However sasuke also made a wrong assumption that the genjutsu can be cancelled by another Rinnegan which we know is false as the requirement to dispel IT is both Rinnegan user and one who has all the Bijuu chakra. So all of sasuke's statement there isn't exactly credible IT=/=Sasuke's Genjutsu. So irrelevant. As stated We didn't get to see the victim's eyes of another IT user in kaguya for you to make the conclusion that it showed the rinnegan because madara casted it with his Rinnegan. It could have depicted the byakugan, it couldn't have so you can't use this as evidence, simple as that. Madara fought many opponent's with Rinnegan back from when he was Edo till he got stabbed by BZ so he did have opportunities. Bold no he didn't Activating Ems when you already have your normal sharingan activated is way different to literally switching from Rinnegan to sharingan to use a particular Jutsu. If he could do it with Rinnegan there is ZERO point in switching. You don't see him switch from Rinnegan to use Susanoo do you? Except Momoshiki never casted a Genjutsu. Again what he did was NOT expanded on so you saying it's genjutsu is speculation. The only thing we know is that it stopped time, nothing else. Except you have a panel confirming it as Genjutsu then I'll concede

Lmfao you didn’t have to dissect them like that, that’s absolutely ignorant. No one is going to read through all of that and continue quoting you like just for you to continually end up being wrong.