Excluding Kurama, does Naruto have more Chakra than EMS madara?
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Madara fought Hashirama for 24 hours not days. Plus Hashirama wasn’t the aggressor in the fight, he spent most of the time dodging attacks. Naruto was fighting in the war for days.
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Naruto's natural chakra is around kakashi level if Kurama is completely removed. Those are the manga facts which rustle many.
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kakashi stated otherwise when he said naruto chakra pool is 2 to 3 time bigger than his own
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Madara has more chakra by default. He managed to fight even after Hashi used True 1000 hands.
Naruto runs out of chakra a lot of times, and usually takes long breaks (talking with somebody or recharging with Kurama)
Naruto runs out of chakra a lot of times, and usually takes long breaks (talking with somebody or recharging with Kurama)
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Naruto has more chakra since he can do over 1000 clones in base. Madara was more strategic which led him to conserve chakra
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In part 1 when Naruto had a 4 in stamina Kakashi( had a 3 which was average) made it clear the root of his stamina is the 9 tails (even at that time). The manga made it clear the 4th Hokage's seal is designed so Kurama's chakra mixes with Naruto's and becomes a part of his reserves. Furthermore Naruto confirmed that he has large chakra reserves (4 times Kakashi's) because he's been receiving the 9 tails chakra his whole life. Taken all of that into consideration Naruto's 4 times chakra reserves are clearly attributed to Kurama and he would at best have Kakshi level chakra reserves.
OT: Now contrast that with Madara who fought a 24 hour death match against Hashirama and other senju before his back even touched the ground. You shouldn't insult Madara by comparing Naruto's reserves to his.
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I'm kind of on par with this.
Naruto has a HUGE pool of chakra even without the nine tails, no doubt, but his grasp on strategy and chakra control is child level compared to Madara. He was able to just throw whatever at people. Madara has a large pool of chakra as well, no doubt. Him being able to control his chakra better and use it more efficiently is what would make his pool last longer than Naruto.
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Yes. Hashirama describes Naruto & Kurama's combined chakra as being almost as much as his own, though I believe that Madara's chakra is like a puddle compared to Hashirama's(who dealt with Madara + Full Kurama ftw), so I wouldn't say Madara's chakra equals even 50% of Hashirama's.
What I believe is:
1. Hashirama arrived to the War Arc at a point that Naruto had already dispensed a shit ton of chakra.
2. That Madara and Hashirama were both drained to nothing, BUT Hashirama had to deal with Full Kurama + Madara by utilizing his most chakra costly jutsu.
3. That Madara's maintenance of Kurama's genjutsu is ridiculously negligible compared to summoning the Several Thousand Handed Senju.
4. That Madara got much more chakra out of Kurama than he put in. Kurama's TBBs ultimately came from Kurama himself rather than Madara's own reserves & that using these TBBs probably costed his genjutsu nothing beyond the mere maintenance of holding it. That's chakra saved on Madara's end as he would otherwise have to use his own chakra intensive attacks in place of Kurama's TBBs.
5. Madara and Hashirama didn't necessarily have chakra the entire time and could have fought a lengthy time with little as Sasuke and Naruto did at VotE2.
6. Naruto's excessive use of Shadow Clone jutsu despite his initially poor chakra control leads me to believe his chakra pool is bigger than Madara's.
Emphasis on the tree, Naruto actually created that many Shadow Clones in a single training session.
Emphasis on the fact that Kakashi said that this specific session required each clone to focus massive amounts of chakra, then Naruto still decides to create a hoard of clones.
What I believe is:
1. Hashirama arrived to the War Arc at a point that Naruto had already dispensed a shit ton of chakra.
2. That Madara and Hashirama were both drained to nothing, BUT Hashirama had to deal with Full Kurama + Madara by utilizing his most chakra costly jutsu.
3. That Madara's maintenance of Kurama's genjutsu is ridiculously negligible compared to summoning the Several Thousand Handed Senju.
4. That Madara got much more chakra out of Kurama than he put in. Kurama's TBBs ultimately came from Kurama himself rather than Madara's own reserves & that using these TBBs probably costed his genjutsu nothing beyond the mere maintenance of holding it. That's chakra saved on Madara's end as he would otherwise have to use his own chakra intensive attacks in place of Kurama's TBBs.
5. Madara and Hashirama didn't necessarily have chakra the entire time and could have fought a lengthy time with little as Sasuke and Naruto did at VotE2.
6. Naruto's excessive use of Shadow Clone jutsu despite his initially poor chakra control leads me to believe his chakra pool is bigger than Madara's.
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Emphasis on the fact that Kakashi said that this specific session required each clone to focus massive amounts of chakra, then Naruto still decides to create a hoard of clones.
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Damn I never knew so many Narutostans existed posting fanfics about Naruto having large chakra reserves.
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Oh.. that's awesome lol. Still have no idea though.. but if Madara's reserves were higher based on this scan, then p1 Sasuke's reserves would be higher than p1 kurama-less Naruto right?
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I'm not sure about how he compares to Naruto, but a testament to his reserves would be how he's able to use Chidori twice a day (on top of the Fire Ball technique which he used against Gaara in the Forest), which was stated to require a massive amount of chakra.
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Scan trans seems suspicious "rival the so called invincible senju"
Didn't naruto spam Kagebunshin for a whole night while 5 prong sealed? Then went on to compete in the Chuunin exams.