Nice fanfic except no one in Konoha had those techniques in Konoha at the time of his prime, so how could he have learned them. He couldn’t even use Wood Release so we know he can’t use KKG. So needless to say that Uchiha doujutsu KKG are impossible for him. :Sparks:
Prime Hiruzen vs Adult Naruto / Adult Sasuke
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Light up the Darkness
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one of these weird topics lately
KCM shippuden naruto > hiruzen low diff
adult Naruto will beat anyone excluding Madara , Obito and Adult Sasuke ( debatable )
Sakura shippuden > Hiruzen
we saw how he was the weakest kage as an edo in war arc
his biggest achievement is throwing basic big shuriken .....
KCM shippuden naruto > hiruzen low diff
adult Naruto will beat anyone excluding Madara , Obito and Adult Sasuke ( debatable )
Sakura shippuden > Hiruzen
we saw how he was the weakest kage as an edo in war arc
his biggest achievement is throwing basic big shuriken .....
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then why he didn't use the strongest jutsus in konoha against Orochimaru ?
all i saw is fodder fire jutsu and clay that anbu can do it
why he desperately needed to use the Reaper seal jutsu ( that doesn't belong to him either )
Hype is something and feats is something else
not every word is logical and accurate in the manga
some authors take back what they confirm in the past
for Example , Orochimaru Told Kabuto about tsunade " one punch from her and you're dead "
Yet him and kabuto received countless punches and still alive
you have to know that every character introduction in the manga
it will get big hype even though if it not logical later in the manga !
all i saw is fodder fire jutsu and clay that anbu can do it
why he desperately needed to use the Reaper seal jutsu ( that doesn't belong to him either )
Hype is something and feats is something else
not every word is logical and accurate in the manga
some authors take back what they confirm in the past
for Example , Orochimaru Told Kabuto about tsunade " one punch from her and you're dead "
Yet him and kabuto received countless punches and still alive
you have to know that every character introduction in the manga
it will get big hype even though if it not logical later in the manga !
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Klubargutan
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clay was filler...you clearly consider that filler anime fight as canon. And anbu stated that Hiruzen lost a lot of his strength due to his age (and probably very poor health)
against orochimaru and kages, he used only:
1) shuriken kage bunshin (Oro responded by edo tensei)
2) fire dragon (stopped by Tobirama's water wall, Tobirama then used water dragon)
3) earth wall (stopping water dragon, Hashirama used wood style)
4) summoning (enma, responding to being binded by wood style)
5) 1 quick taijutsu attack at orochimaru (with enma staff) - there he got kicked away by Hashi+Tobi (but planted explosive tags and shattered their legs)
6) seeing the regeneration technique, he decided to use reaper seal, hashirama used more wood style
7) shadow clone and finally death reaper
8) Hashirama used genjutsu: total darkness, Hiruzen caught Hashi, Tobi, Oro and sealed the first two
9) Hiruzen sealed Oro's arms - was out of strength, had pierced chest...end of fight.
-No taijutsu fight whatsoever, no ninjutsu fight while Hiruzen had his Hokage outift (in the manga, he immediately threw it away and started the fight - see 1) ) I suggest you to read the entire manga, from the BEGINNING....so you can forget all the anime fillers (in fights etc.)
back then, power scaling was much, much different. Hiruzen was supposed to be stronger than Hashirama or Tobirama, Minato was supposed to be the strongest.
Kishi then used a very bad ass-pull by making Hashirama ridiculously op...Tobirama quite as well. And even let them say that they were revived "almost in their full power" in chapter 620.
Hiruzen in his prime would be strong as fck...All chakra natures on very high level (even as old edo tensei he was able to use them).
Genjutsu, Taijutsu, Intelligence, Chakra control and NInjutsu skills at 5.....speed, stamina(chakra level), physical strength at 3...according to databooks. As a young dude, his speed and stamina must have been much better as well.
I'd bet anything that Hiruzen would rape any of the raikages, tsuchikages, mizukages or kazekages so far.
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Hiruzen used all 5 elements on a vast scale. Nothing is impossible for the Prime Hiruzen professor.
You also neglect to remember his most powerful jutsu. The neutralizer.
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It Wrecked SM Hashirama and Edo / FTG Tobirama abilities so much they could barely use any jutsu.
Poor Minato was fodderized by it.
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You also neglect Hiruzen's SM Sniffing
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Do you even manga? Most of this is filler AND Manga already stated Hiruzen was old and weak. I dont believe he intended on trying to keep his health up through modifications.
MissingFUCKINGnin
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nah naruto doesnt get reaper sealed.... he has soul tug resistance, and has experience with the soul tug
Naruto snatches his soul back to his body mid diff & hiruzen dies in vain
Irrelevant, those five nature elements aren’t Wood Release and the fact that he could’ve combined earth and water to utilize Wood Release but never did says it all. Karin neg diff’d what Sarutobi’s weak ass was struggling with.
See the problem is that you’re hoping that Sasuke lets the battle get to the point where Hiruzen is allowed to use those techniques but like he displayed against Rikudou Madara, he’ll try to end it before it gets to that point.
-Sasuke teleports his sword into Hiruzen’s heart = gg
-any MS+ genjutsu = gg
-Everything else I mentioned is overkill
Hiruzen in old age was capable of using all 5 elements at a large scale from 4 different clones + himself.
This implies Prime Hiruzen's abilities would be amplified but for the sake of argument lets say they are still at that level.
Prime Hiruzen could use ALL jutsu of Konoha in his prime this means he has the following jutsu to counter Naruto and Sasuke
Nara Clan shadow bind: Which canonically stopped Adult Naruto and Sasuke:
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Reaper Death Seal:
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Shadow Clones: Max of 4 which all can perform different jutsu at a HUGE scale.
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Enma Clones: Capable of destroying God Tree + Tanking Mokuton
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Neutralizer: wrecked Minato neg diff, Hashirama and Tobirama
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Effectively with this arsenal Hiruzen can immediately neutralize both Naruto and Sasuke as canonically he was capable of neutralizing 3 EDOs as an Old man. I imagine Prime Hiruzen could neutralize them back to the fight starting as
Joking \/
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Joking /\
Once neutralized.
Hiruzen can create 4 Shadow clones.
1 Clone performs Nara Bind immobilizing them
2 Clones perform RDS on both Naruto and Sasuke
4th clone with Real hiruzen use Enma + Enma clone for support in locking them down.
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InfiniteMugen
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My bad dude i must of misunderstood the thread, I didn’t know this was an RPG turn based style fight. if sasuke and naruto are just standing there stationary unable to act waiting for hiruzen to take his turn, then sure he has a chance
InfiniteMugen
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No I know that I was piggybacking off another comment, my point was how does hiruzen and weaker clones catch the 2 fastest shinobi alive in order to do all the strategies listed? If he’s fighting both he gets negged before he tags either with anything, if he’s facing sasuke lol, if he’s facing naruto lol and even loler as how the f ck are you gonna bet on shadow clones against the shadow clone master, and we’re talking adult naruto here, who is a much more collected fighter than his teen self. So how does he catch these fools? The two dudes that have faced the worst of the worst as far as overpowering and weird ass jutsus to deal with. You honestly think basic prime hiruzen, with knowledge of jutsus from the village these 2 ALSO come from can beat either one?
Did you read my post and look at the spoilers?
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canonically speaking Adult Naruto and Adult Sasuke are SUPER rusty in comparison to their prime forms.
InfiniteMugen
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Lol seriously? Yea cause prime hiruzen would be a fused momo lvl opponent for them, naruto is also in base there.
Let’s also ignore the fact that all the jutsus spit out by momo are amped up
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Yes you did not read my post where based on what was discussed and shown Prime Hiruzen would be capable of using a shadow bind to that level. Also if its the start of the fight why wouldn't they be started in base?\
As for Momo lvl opponent lets be real... Momo was strong but a super fodder who severly lacked taijutsu kills and was heavily dependent on opponents using jutsu against him. But lets not get side tracked. The guy was wrecked by micro rasengan
InfiniteMugen
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He out taijutsud the 4 kage like nothing, and forced naruto into his mode and sasuke to use his rinnegan. He didn’t get “wrecked”, he got Tagged by an attack he didn’t know was coming. It’s amazing you’d put a guy who even in his prime his gimmick is he knows a bunch of jutsu on a comparable level to a guy who’s gimmick is to absorb jutsus and throw them back stronger, an ootsutsuki at that
Prime hiruzen was known as a god of shinobi of HIS time, the manga is oddly specific about this. It’s a once held title in an old generation. The dude can probably take on the kage, but naruto and sasuke are in different leagues than that
Darkakatsuki
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Based on what we saw from base naruto compared to the other four kage, I’m not sure hiruzen could keep up with that kind of speed. And let’s say that hiruzen does know shadow bind and does manage to catch either naruto or sasuke, what next? Will he be strong enough to bind either of them for more than a couple seconds? I think naruto for sure with his massive chakra could overpower it and I wouldn’t be surprised if sasuke did too, but let’s just say that neither of them can. Naruto doesn’t need to move to use his chakra arms as we saw in his fight against mini shin, and in his fight against Toneri he can make a full sized Kurama avatar outside of his own body. Sasuke on the other hand, all he has to do is look at hiruzen. Genjutsu gg, Amaterasu gg, if it’s rinne-sasuke then preta path gg ameno gg. Unnerfed there’s really nothing that anyone can do to stop either sasuke or naruto besides either stabbing them in the heart or cutting their heads off, and after seeing their performance against fused momo, I mean, good luck anyone who tries lol
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