Who was crazier Madara or (EMS/Rinnegan War arc) Sasuke?

[chaos control]

Madara wasn't crazy. He was heroic!

 

[Animegoin]

I’ll say this, Pain was doing a great job of running his country and reigning as a deity. Sasuke could’ve done even better considering he would’ve had control of all the bijuu, which is fitting for global scale manipulation. Madara’s plan was logical and noble and therefore neither of them were insane.

 

[Uverdore9]

Madara is the craziest thing I've ever seen. Apart from weirdoin :lol of course. :lol He still got outdone and ripped open by the greater human being that is Sasuke with nothing but a hand sword.

 

[salamander uchiha]

that is the root of all problems

Really? It brought peace to the NV, fear of Madara Sama united the world.

OT: Neither were crazy, Sasuke was slightly unstable because of what happened to his clan. I'm still disgusted with how he and Kishi let Konoha have a free pass. Naruto is also a hypocrite for defending Konoha after it, he should've executed everybody involved but then again that's expecting too much from him. After all we still have Orochimaru and Kabuto running around like nothing ever happened.

As for Madara Sama he wasn't crazy he possessed forsight, a true visionary, the one who wanted to bring peace to the world.

 

[ThelUchiha]

MS Sasuke

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Really it brought peace to the NV,m, fear of Madara Sama united the world.

wasn't cause of madara tho

OT: Neither were crazy, Sasuke was slightly unstable because of what happened to his clan. I'm still disgusted with how he and Kishi let Konoha have a free pass. Naruto is also a hypocrite for defending Konoha after it, he should've executed everybody involved but then again that's expecting too much from him. After all we still have Orochimaru and Kabuto running around like nothing ever happened.

not konoha...danzo...and not naruto's fault btw

As for Madara Sama he wasn't crazy he possessed forsight, a true visionary, the one who wanted to bring peace to the world.

madara was a deranged lunatic

 

[salamander uchiha]

wasn't cause of madara tho

Of course it was.

not konoha...danzo...and not naruto's fault btw

Danzo was one of the many actors and many remained after him in Naruto's time. So yes it's Naruto's fault.

madara was a deranged lunatic

In your dreams.

 

[ninjarasengan]

Sasuke's Revolution plan was solid and proven to work in series.

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He based his plan on the history of the Shinobi World & Itachi's life. He wanted to eliminate the major sources of conflict (Biju, seperated villages) by ultlizing a method that had proven to ensure unity amongst them.

Throughout history, Shinobi always sought after the Biju's power so they could use them to better ensure their authority over others. This led up to an entire war with the world at stake being fought over them.

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He wanted to eliminate them so no one would ever fight over & abuse their power again.

The Five Great Shinobi Villages united for the first time in history only because they had a common enemy that they couldn't possibly defeat alone - the Akatsuki, under the command of Uchiha Madara, who had gathered 7 of the 9 Biju and were aiming for the last 2.

With the Akatsuki gone, Sasuke believed that the villages would eventually separate and go back to fighting one another. To prevent that, he was going to be the common enemy that kept them united.

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Everyone could live in peace, they just know that there's a god-like being who could/would strike them down if they cause trouble. Would the average citizen be scared of Sasuke, or criminals?

Sasuke was going to be the only one of the darkness, so no one else had to. Taking on everyone's hatred, so they wouldn't hate each other. Protecting from the shadows, as Itachi did, except on a larger scale.


- Uniting everyone through a common enemy was shown to work via the Akatsuki with the Five Great Shinobi Villages & Samurai. Plus during the warring states era Madara was said to have used his power to unite clans.

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- Maintaining peace and order by being a God-like authoritive figure was shown to work via Pain with the Rain village. Kaguya was also stated to have subdued all lands.

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- & Itachi protecting from the shadows by playing the role of villian, taking the blame & bearing everyone's hatred avoided a potential civil war with the Uchiha against Konoha, and potential world war with other nations.

Sasuke learned from his predecessors & improved. Ultimately forming a better plan for peace than them.

Whereas Hashirama and Naruto's plan of cooperation through friendship was proven to not work via Hashirama creating peace through the village system but things going sour after his death.

Meanwhile, Sasuke had the capability/ambition to always be around to watch over the world.

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Although Naruto's plan is better than Hashirama's cause he has Sasuke on his side. After convincing him to work with their allies. Now Sasuke is protecting from the shadows by going on covert missions to gather information & only became an enemy to the criminal underworld to subdue them.

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1-Madara straight up sabotaged Hashirama's plan.

2-All it takes was for some scientist to secretly develop a weapon to kill/imprison Sasuke and return to status quo...Sasuke's plan was just arrogant to be honest.

3-But, what happens if his mindset changes and he becomes indifferent to the worlds problems...what happens when a centuries or even millennia old immortal starts to resent the world for the responsibly it force upon him. Nigga was unstable asfck...same nigga who wanted to kill children for laughing while knowing nothing about the machinations behind his clans murder...was he really trustworthy? would he even last a lifetime without becoming warped beyond repair?

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Madara was crazier...why even go through so much trouble for people he didn't care about? Why not chill in the pure-world with his brother?

 

[Klubargutan]

Murder is different from fighting in a battlefield.

And yeah Madara is one of the best characters out there

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You have no idea what you've just said.

Tell this to people (and their families) who got drafted into the army and then were murdered whilst surrendering/after surrendering or while running away by some bloodthirsty arsehole who wanted to kill people, get medals for that and enlarge his ego.

People who enjoy killing in war are just like murderers....no..worse, because murderers go to prison/death row, but those killers get medals and are hailed as heroes.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

They weren't crazy.

This. The scope of their plans just required ridiculous measures. I prefer Sasuke's though since it doesn't require trusting that a preteen could keep control over a group of others, not have a change of heart, and not screw up along the way.

 

[QueefCatcher69]

What is the anime of your sig?

 

[ninjarasengan]

This. The scope of their plans just required ridiculous measures. I prefer Sasuke's though since it doesn't require trusting that a preteen could keep control over a group of others, not have a change of heart, and not screw up along the way.

Did you mean Madara? and Teen?

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

You have no idea what you've just said.

Tell this to people (and their families) who got drafted into the army and then were murdered whilst surrendering/after surrendering or while running away by some bloodthirsty arsehole who wanted to kill people, get medals for that and enlarge his ego.

People who enjoy killing in war are just like murderers....no..worse, because murderers go to prison/death row, but those killers get medals and are hailed as heroes.

I am fully aware of I just said.

I would tell this straight to the face of these people AND their families.

It's war. Not a tea party. Soldiers are expected to behave this way in the battlefield. It's an occupational risk.

Most people who gain medals aren't the ones who enjoy killing, but did their best in the battlefield. That's why true soldiers are able to honor their opponent. Read about the Red Baron.

 

[Klubargutan]

I am fully aware of I just said.

I would tell this straight to the face of these people AND their families.

It's war. Not a tea party. Soldiers are expected to behave this way in the battlefield. It's an occupational risk.

Most people who gain medals aren't the ones who enjoy killing, but did their best in the battlefield. That's why true soldiers are able to honor their opponent. Read about the Red Baron.

"Occupational risk"....well, most people in ww2 didn't really have a choice, but were drafted into the army.

And killing surrendering/surrendered soldiers IS a MURDER.

And no, you have no idea what you've just said. Plenty of soldiers were shooting at legs/knees/arms (like from a 20 years old documentary about ww1)...those are the ones i truly respect.....But having to respect someone who just shoots to kill and have fun during it? Nah, never.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

"Occupational risk"....well, most people in ww2 didn't really have a choice, but were drafted into the army.

And killing surrendering/surrendered soldiers IS a MURDER.

And no, you have no idea what you've just said. Plenty of soldiers were shooting at legs/knees/arms (like from a 20 years old documentary about ww1)...those are the ones i truly respect.....But having to respect someone who just shoots to kill and have fun during it? Nah, never.

I have total idea what I just said. You aren't aiming to kill. But seeking to destroy an opponent that could potentially kill kids in your country. Soldiers have fun showing off their strength and that's why Red Baron opponents could honor him. Even if he killed a lot of them. Including friends.


And war is war. Come back when you know what this means.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Of course it was.



Danzo was one of the many actors and many remained after him in Naruto's time. So yes it's Naruto's fault.



In your dreams.

nope nope and I'm right

 

[Klubargutan]

I have total idea what I just said. You aren't aiming to kill. But seeking to destroy an opponent that could potentially kill kids in your country. Soldiers have fun showing off their strength and that's why Red Baron opponents could honor him. Even if he killed a lot of them. Including friends.


And war is war. Come back when you know what this means.

You are illusioned. Destroy opponent that would potentionally kill kids in your country? WTF? Would any sane person attempt to kill children?

Soldiers have fun showing off their strength - yep, those are the bastards.

war is war.....but do you know what that means? It means that one side's command wants to take something under it's command from the other side.


Sorry, i just don't have the strength to argue about such things....
perhaps losing a child or your beloved to some bastard "showing off" their strength would make you think.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

You are illusioned. Destroy opponent that would potentionally kill kids in your country? WTF? Would any sane person attempt to kill children?

Soldiers have fun showing off their strength - yep, those are the bastards.

war is war.....but do you know what that means? It means that one side's command wants to take something under it's command from the other side.


Sorry, i just don't have the strength to argue about such things....
perhaps losing a child or your beloved to some bastard "showing off" their strength would make you think.

You think that children aren't a target in war and I am the one illusioned. :eww:
Except I am the one aware that joining the army is the only way to prevent IN WAR that your beloved ones won't get killed.

War is war, and there are people who were born to die fighting. These are their talents, just like a medic, engineer etc. Again: read about Red Baron.

No one is saying that forced conscription and genocide is right. But it happens, and everybody should be prepared.

 

[Klubargutan]

You think that children aren't a target in war and I am the one illusioned. :eww:
Except I am the one aware that joining the army is the only way to prevent IN WAR that your beloved ones won't get killed.

War is war, and there are people who were born to die fighting. These are their talents, just like a medic, engineer etc. Again: read about Red Baron.

No one is saying that forced conscription and genocide is right. But it happens, and everybody should be prepared.

I know who red baron was, how many people he shot down and how he ended up. Besides, pilots were forbidden to shoot on downed enemy pilots....fight so different than that on the ground. Even though life expectancy of pilots was really, really short.

Now, you should read about the top allied scorer of ww1 - René Fonck. How arrogant he was.

OT: Where are you from?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

People think about this in a weird real life based way. Of course Madara and sasukes justifications where legit, but that doesn’t make the actions taken not a bit crazy. Plus.... the nv has a nasty habit of letting shit slide... except for pain... pain held a grudge