[Spoilers] One Piece Manga General Spoilers & Summaries | 1094

[ArabianLuffy]

The possibilities vary:

1) Shusui will return to its owners, and Nidai Kitetsu will be taken by Zoro as a replacement.

or

2) Sandai Kitetsu somehow will be destroyed in battle, and Nidai Kitetsu will replace Sandai.

Notice the names:

- Nidai Kitetsu
- Sandai Kitetsu

Does that suggest maybe an Ichidai Kitetsu exist?

 

[Borsalino]

So the guy Tengu is mot likely waiting for is either Zoro(as a successor) or Mihawk right? Speaking of Zoro, dude's bout to get another cursed sword.

There is no most likely. There's nothing to suggest he would be waiting on either zero or mihawk you just made that up

 

[chopstickchakra]

The possibilities vary:

1) Shusui will return to its owners, and Nidai Kitetsu will be taken by Zoro as a replacement.

or

2) Sandai Kitetsu somehow will be destroyed in battle, and Nidai Kitetsu will replace Sandai.

Notice the names:

- Nidai Kitetsu
- Sandai Kitetsu

Does that suggest maybe an Ichidai Kitetsu exist?

Idk if there will be an Ichidai but there's a Shodai and I think Zoro will end up with 3 Kitetsu swords by his final fight. Leaving Ryuma's sword and taking Nidai sounds most likely if either happen.

There is no most likely. There's nothing to suggest he would be waiting on either zero or mihawk you just made that up

Well that is how assumption technically work but anyway, him owning a cursed sword puts him on a path that could easily cross with Zoro's and he may have been "waiting for someone who could come and get the blade" not someone particular.

 

[Caliburn]

The possibilities vary:

1) Shusui will return to its owners, and Nidai Kitetsu will be taken by Zoro as a replacement.

or

2) Sandai Kitetsu somehow will be destroyed in battle, and Nidai Kitetsu will replace Sandai.

Notice the names:

- Nidai Kitetsu
- Sandai Kitetsu

Does that suggest maybe an Ichidai Kitetsu exist?

There is no suggestion. It was already explained all the way back in Loguetown when Zoro got Yubashiri and Sandai Kitetsu that there are three Kitetsu swords: Shodai Kitetsu, Nidai Kitetsu and Sandai Kitetsu or 1st generation Demon-Splitter, 2nd generation Demon-Splitter and 3rd generation Demon-Splitter. Respectively they are part of the 12 Supreme Grade Swords (same level as Mihawk's Black Blade), 21 Great Grade Swords (same level as Shusui and Wado Ichimonji) and 50 Skillful Great Swords (same level as Yubashiri).

I've been speculating for years that one of the Gorosei, the Ghandi-like dude, is either wielding Shodai or Nidai Kitetsu. I even once tried to edit OP wiki for it.

 

[chopstickchakra]

There is no suggestion. It was already explained all the way back in Loguetown when Zoro got Yubashiri and Sandai Kitetsu that there are three Kitetsu swords: Shodai Kitetsu, Nidai Kitetsu and Sandai Kitetsu or 1st generation Demon-Splitter, 2nd generation Demon-Splitter and 3rd generation Demon-Splitter. Respectively they are part of the 12 Supreme Grade Swords (same level as Mihawk's Black Blade), 21 Great Grade Swords (same level as Shusui and Wado Ichimonji) and 50 Skillful Great Swords (same level as Yubashiri).

I've been speculating for years that one of the Gorosei, the Ghandi-like dude, is either wielding Shodai or Nidai Kitetsu. I even once tried to edit OP wiki for it.

Well hold on now, depending on how you define generation there is a possibility of an ichidai kitetsu existing.

Nidai means 3rd generation sandai means second right, well granted I'm not perfect at Japanese but shodai can mean founder or first generation right? So if we look at it like a familial line you have the founder/shodai/parent and then you have the first generation the offspring/successors.

Though unlikely isn't it possible Shodai was made by the founder of the school(possibly even the gorosei guy himself), then the 1st generation was made from his successor then his successors made nidai then their successors made sandai.

 

[OG sama]

Woah this chapter is going to be good.

Nidai kitetsu is in this chapter? Well I guess that will be Zoros power up this arc.

Looks like Drake is loyal to Kaido unlike Hawkins possibly.

And Luffy getting a sword with his kimono is freaking badass!

 

[Caliburn]

Well hold on now, depending on how you define generation there is a possibility of an ichidai kitetsu existing.

Nidai means 3rd generation sandai means second right, well granted I'm not perfect at Japanese but shodai can mean founder or first generation right? So if we look at it like a familial line you have the founder/shodai/parent and then you have the first generation the offspring/successors.

Though unlikely isn't it possible Shodai was made by the founder of the school(possibly even the gorosei guy himself), then the 1st generation was made from his successor then his successors made nidai then their successors made sandai.

It's the other way around. Nidai means 2nd generation, Sandai third and as I said this isn't anything new. This has already been explained in the manga. What you currently did is just giving a rather questionable interpretation to a pure semantic issue that is making things needlessly complicated. We're talking about swords here. Swords don't found anything. If you make a sword and then a similar sword is made, the first one automatically is well the first. Unless you really want to bring up the concept of 'prototypes', but even then you really don't hit anything here.

Not to mention the reason I made my post, was because the person I quoted seemed to be unaware of what we already know of the Kitetsu-series and reasoned that based on their names (nidai = 2nd, sandai = 3rd) there should be an additional one, the first one. He called it ichidai as ichi means 1, but we already know it's called shodai, which means pretty much the same unless you really want to start nitpicking about semantics here. In the end though it comes down to the same thing, but what you say is completely different altogether. That would mean there are two swords called the "first", which makes no sense.

I mean in Naruto it also was shodaime, nidaime, sandaime etc. and not shodaime, ichidaime, nidaime.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

It's the other way around. Nidai means 2nd generation, Sandai third and as I said this isn't anything new. This has already been explained in the manga. What you currently did is just giving a rather questionable interpretation to a pure semantic issue that is making things needlessly complicated. We're talking about swords here. Swords don't found anything. If you make a sword and then a similar sword is made, the first one automatically is well the first. Unless you really want to bring up the concept of 'prototypes', but even then you really don't hit anything here.

Not to mention the reason I made my post, was because the person I quoted seemed to be unaware of what we already know of the Kitetsu-series and reasoned that based on their names (nidai = 2nd, sandai = 3rd) there should be an additional one, the first one. He called it ichidai as ichi means 1, but we already know it's called shodai, which means pretty much the same unless you really want to start nitpicking about semantics here. In the end though it comes down to the same thing, but what you say is completely different altogether. That would mean there are two swords called the "first", which makes no sense.

I mean in Naruto it also was shodaime, nidaime, sandaime etc. and not shodaime, ichidaime, nidaime.

Well, I didn't know that shodaime comes first and then nidaime etc etc. I may sound reason my thoughts, but correcting them is welcome.

 

[Borsalino]

Idk if there will be an Ichidai but there's a Shodai and I think Zoro will end up with 3 Kitetsu swords by his final fight. Leaving Ryuma's sword and taking Nidai sounds most likely if either happen.



Well that is how assumption technically work but anyway, him owning a cursed sword puts him on a path that could easily cross with Zoro's and he may have been "waiting for someone who could come and get the blade" not someone particular.

Ah gotcha

 

[chopstickchakra]

It's the other way around. Nidai means 2nd generation, Sandai third and as I said this isn't anything new. This has already been explained in the manga. What you currently did is just giving a rather questionable interpretation to a pure semantic issue that is making things needlessly complicated. We're talking about swords here. Swords don't found anything. If you make a sword and then a similar sword is made, the first one automatically is well the first. Unless you really want to bring up the concept of 'prototypes', but even then you really don't hit anything here.

Not to mention the reason I made my post, was because the person I quoted seemed to be unaware of what we already know of the Kitetsu-series and reasoned that based on their names (nidai = 2nd, sandai = 3rd) there should be an additional one, the first one. He called it ichidai as ichi means 1, but we already know it's called shodai, which means pretty much the same unless you really want to start nitpicking about semantics here. In the end though it comes down to the same thing, but what you say is completely different altogether. That would mean there are two swords called the "first", which makes no sense.

I mean in Naruto it also was shodaime, nidaime, sandaime etc. and not shodaime, ichidaime, nidaime.

I don't know about making it needlessly complicated just a bit of devil's advocating and exploring any idea as far as I can.

Swords don't found anything but the Kitetsu school was and each blade was made by the succeeding class. You're probably right, I was just posing the possibility that it could be looked at as the first creator having made Shodai then his 1st generation of successors made ichidai and the 2nd generation of successors made nidai the third making sandai.

 

[Caliburn]

Well, I didn't know that shodaime comes first and then nidaime etc etc. I may sound reason my thoughts, but correcting them is welcome.

That post was not a reaction to your post anymore. In your case I just pointed out that your reasoning was essentially correct, only we already knew that there's a 1st sword. So this wasn't some speculation, implication or suggestion anymore. Instead of Ichidai though it was Shodai.

I don't know about making it needlessly complicated just a bit of devil's advocating and exploring any idea as far as I can.

Swords don't found anything but the Kitetsu school was and each blade was made by the succeeding class. You're probably right, I was just posing the possibility that it could be looked at as the first creator having made Shodai then his 1st generation of successors made ichidai and the 2nd generation of successors made nidai the third making sandai.

It's simple: three swords. One, two, three. Supreme sword, great sword, skillful sword. Then you make that into 'yeah actually you can interpret this also as founding, so we can shove an additional sword into this for no reason and that totally doesn't fit the pattern of the sword grading scale'.

You're not devil advocating if your reasoning is flawed and contradictory. The bare minimum for doing that is that your reasoning can't be immediately discarded even if it sounds stupid. In your case however your reasoning definitely doesn't fit. This is a fact, the Kitetsu-series was introduced as Shodai, Nidai and Sandai, respectively part of the Supreme, Great and Skillful Grade Swords and translated as 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation demon-cutter. If Shodai was meant to be "founding", then that means for some reason they jumped from founding to two and ignored one completely, this despite that they do remain conform with the sword grading scale? Then they should have been introduced as Ichidai, Nidai and Sandai, but if that had been done, then you can't reason Shodai = founding as it was never mentioned.

So the thing that made you come to this interpretation invalidates it at the same time. Also I'm not that familiar with the Japanese language, but when I checked some things ichidai means a generation or one generation. It doesn't provide any chronological foundation, while shodai very well does. Same thing with your school as the people who make the swords are a completely different thing than the swords itself.

So yeah this not a bit of devil advocating, this is just making things needlessly difficult as based on a very iffy translation interpretation you turned a very clear, simple and basic concept into something flawed and contradictory for no reason.

 

[WhistleBlower]

1. Chapter 913 spoilers are out but not in good translation. ( will post better translation later if no one has by then )
2. Title = Tsuru's return.
3. It appears Zoro and Luffy fight Hawkins, an alliance isn't formed like most thought.

EDIT:
Hawkins: Do you guys know who runs things currently here on Wano?
Luffy: Kaidou right?
Zoro: You shouldn’t say that, Luffy.
Luffy: What I just said now was lie! (Directed at Hawkins)
Hawkins: The chances of you guys being alive in a month’s time is 19%
As Hawkins minions draw near, the sword Luffy is holding picks Zoro’s interest

Zoro: Is that a Meito? (named sword) please show me the sword! (Zoro asks a smug Luffy to show him the sword cause he senses the presence of a meitou)

Luffy ignores Zoro’s and proceeds to beat down his opponents, the Lizard that Hawkins minions are riding on flies towards him.
Luffy grabs the Lizard by the nape of it’s neck, and throws it at Hawkins but with his straw blade hand (i.e a blade made out of straw?) Hawkins thrusts and kills the lizard.

Zoro attempts to cut Hawkin’s face, but Hawkins takes no damage
With the Straw Straw ability, Hawkins stocks a number of clone straw dolls of his minions via the straw dolls, Hawkin’s damage is transferred to his minions.

The blade of the straw hand sword transforms into the form of a massive magician?
As Hawkins says “let’s start a game”, Hawkins pulls out one of his carrot cards
The card he pulls out is a (fool’s opposite position? -> seems like its a type of carrot card used in divinations that is interpreted as part of evil/shadow (so basically it means danger?) Because of the result of the card Hawkins minions start to panic and run for the hills

The women they rescue is named Otsuru. She runs a tea house in nearby Okobore Village.
She takes Luffy, Zoro, and Otama to her tea shop to give Otama some medicine.
There is girl that works at that tea named Okiku.She is being hit on by Wano Country's number 1 sumo wrestler, the Yokozuna Urashima.
During this, Bepo, Shachi, and Penguin spot them through binoculars from a nearby mountain.

Source: 5ch

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I don't get it , one minute their fighting hawkins the next they are in some chicks shop healing otama? As if Hawkins lets them go that easily.

 

[Caliburn]

I hope they mean tarot cards, not carrot >.>

 

[chopstickchakra]

I hope they mean tarot cards, not carrot >.>

Nope his cards also serve as a delicious and vital snack.

 

[Sakazuki]

No spoilers?

 

[Punk Hazard]

No spoilers?

All of Jump is on break this week

 

[Sakazuki]

All of Jump is on break this week

NOOOOOOOOOO ... damn that sucks to find out the day before you think a chapter is coming out

 

[Passerby]

NOOOOOOOOOO ... damn that sucks to find out the day before you think a chapter is coming out

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What translation is that??? Because MS didn't have a warning, I also didn't know until I started looking up spoilers....

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

What translation is that??? Because MS didn't have a warning, I also didn't know until I started looking up spoilers....

they removed the warning and cleaned it up... why??