Why do people compare Madara to Kaguya?

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I'm just trying hard to make you a better person, so I can not act like I'm enjoying this discussion. :( You minimized the emoticon usage so I'm getting through to you.
Again, Take your tears somewhere else man :lol

So you're saying within a created context, he could. And never once did I say Naruto could defeat Kakashi, I challenge you to find the part where I said such a thing. Though you cannot ignore that if he was in the place of a villain and plot had Naruto needing to defeat Kakashi to move forward, it would easily be the case, like it was inconcievable that Kabuto could be defeated by Naruto but ended up being so. I would be making an example on Sasuke vs. Haku but then you've been prohibiting examples, for your convinience. I know it sounds ridiculous, but considering what we know and what we don't, you kind of have to compromise your logic. Before the movie, we wouldn't believe a story with Boruto defeating Momoshiki, a fused one even, and yet, in the movie, he did. Even though he might have got help. The help isn't THAT big when you consider that Sasuke left Boruto with Momoshik ALONE fighting for an entire minute, where Boruto took FULL ADVANTAGE of that minuscule time and defeated Momoshiki. The other Kage's also a bit of that amount of time and were floored really fast and it wouldn't have made a difference if Momoshiki's Rinnegan was disabled for them, they would still fall short to what Boruto could accomplish within that small amount of time.

He didn't really get negged, since it was a RUSE, you cannot neg a ruse, if it's a set-up for another plan beyond the ruse. I don't see why you think Boruto intended to fight out Momoshiki in close combat, or he wouldn't have purposefully used clones and hid his real self out of his visual range. The Rasengan kind of hurt, his eyes went down to the hit area, as soon as the Rasengan connected. He even got mad, indicating that it wasn't just plain annoyance, but rather he was distraught it got him and even made a dent on him to that extent.

That's what the depiction was with their clash, though. Momoshiki and Boruto going all out with weapopns of equal power and Boruto sacrifcing himself to take Momoshiki down. That's why, as I saw it, Boruto seemed to be getting pushed back, before he sacrificed his muscles to push it back at Momoshiki. The ripping of his sleeve, I think, is to highlight of why Boruto ends up overpowering him, that force is more exerted from his arm than just the Rasengan doing the work for him. The fact he got overpowered at the start shows that his Rasengan wasn't superior to begin with.
Unbelievable to think this is a reply to 4 lines lmao. Worse to think its even more bs no offense.

- Sasuke didn't defeat Haku.. A chakra mode Naruto did.
- Plot can be used to excuse any fanfic so again, point out to me where in the Op 'plot' is included as a criteria for this matchup.
- Boruto didn't brawl with him for an entire minute. His clones were negged just as quickly as the four Kage were negged until he used Naruto's chakra to take the win.
- Remove Naruto's chakra from Rasengan and Boruto is negged the same way his clones were. Simple. Boruto only won because of Naruto's chakra.. Ignoring and denying with irrelevant examples unfortunately can't change this bro.


When did it change to Base Naruto? Hmm... I think you're the one making ridiculous moves here, because I meant in the beginning Part 1 Naruto, without the base to limit him. Base Naruto would probably lose, but even that is down to plot. Kyuubi Chakra Mode Naruto was out Kabuto's league, skill wise, but was able to almost take him down outright.
lmao.. Post no 44 on this very page.

"Ridiculous logic. P1 exhausted from rasengan training base Naruto stalemated Kabuto who was said to be on the same level as p1 Kakashi (without aid). By the logic you're trying to apply, that would make Pre SRA base Naruto stronger than every single person that's below the level of p1 Kabuto and Kakashi. Ridiculous."

Bold just makes it even clearer that you have no idea what you yourself are talking about. Tbh, I'm not surprised though.. I already said you were arguing for the sake of it and reading without understanding.. statements like these were bound to pop up sooner or later.


You don't have to agree with it to like it. Like I don't agree with the new societal paradigm where grown females immerse in over-sexualized clothing, to arouse their targets, but I cannot lie to liking it.
You should not be full of yourself bro.. I am not you and you are not me. You're literally saying i should like what i don't like because you do.. C'mon man. That's weird as hell.

I never said that he would win on his own. You're changing this up, to fit your agenda. You admit that the seal is only given to those who defeated the god? That's what I was going for, I accept your change of thought on this front, Boruto did defeat Momoshiki, like I've been saying.
Lmao.. you literally said because Momo lost to Bolt the latter would be able to defeat Deva. C'mon man. :lol


You also tried examples, but they failed as much, didn't they? Examples are sucking on both sides.
Nope. Only the Kakashi-Kabuto comparison to correct your logic not support an obvious fact which clearly you didn't even understand.

He would most probably defeat him, if plot wanted it. Why do you keep ignoring that plot is a contributing factor to this, out of all? Didn't we watch the same series where Sasuke and Naruto were like flies to Madara one second and the next, fighting on equal grounds with him?
And again, where exactly in the Op is plot included as a criteria in the match up? If plot wanted, Jiraiya would have defeated Pain.. Plot is a bad excuse you keep hiding behind and is irrelevant and not useful in discussions like these.


Reconsider what you say here, especially at the Kurama chakra part.
lol why. You could have at least given a reason XD The fact however remains that Boruto tells Naruto that he wouldn't be able to do anything with a rasengan to which Naruto tells him not to worry as he added his chakra to said rasengan.

If i even looked at it in the way you're telling me, you'll rather believe Boruto has more physical strength than an Otsutsuki on Chakra fruit pills which enhanced his body mass than Naruto's rasengan being superior? And your excuse is that Boruto's hand got injured right? Well his arm sleeve got torn off as well. Was that a result of strength exertion as well? :lol


Why not? Main characters always pose a problem to any character. Naruto posed a problem to even Orochimaru, such that he wanted to kill him before he could nurture his powers. Plot protected him, though, but he was still acknowledged threat. Then the Akatsuki. Then Obito, then Madara, then even Kaguya was acknowedging him as a threat, to the point of separating Sasuke to handle him. Had Kaguya been reborn sooner, I don't think this would have changed. Main characters are just written out to be threats to the opposing forces. It's just the way it is.
Interesting.. Now please narrate how p1 Naruto poses a threat to JJ Madara and Kaguya and how Boruto defeats Deva path in a 1v1. :lol
 

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Again, Take your tears somewhere else man :lol
You can use as many emoticons as you want it doesn't bother me lol. Just didn't like all of that blue, but whatevs.


Unbelievable to think this is a reply to 4 lines lmao. Worse to think its even more bs no offense.

- Sasuke didn't defeat Haku.. A chakra mode Naruto did.
- Plot can be used to excuse any fanfic so again, point out to me where in the Op 'plot' is included as a criteria for this matchup.
- Boruto didn't brawl with him for an entire minute. His clones were negged just as quickly as the four Kage were negged until he used Naruto's chakra to take the win.
- Remove Naruto's chakra from Rasengan and Boruto is negged the same way his clones were. Simple. Boruto only won because of Naruto's chakra.. Ignoring and denying with irrelevant examples unfortunately can't change this bro.
Literally, all you do is call things bs and move on after refuting little tid bits than the whole picture, it's as though you got tunnel vision. But I'll play along, I'll also do this part by part.

1. That wasn't the point and was it worth refuting since I closed it down before I could even start on it? I get the feeling you just thought to refuteit because it was easy refuting, or the easiest find in points I drove. What I said, ''I would be making an example on Sasuke vs. Haku'' You didn't even hear out what I had to say there, so again, this was another vain attempt at a refutal.
2. Not really, but it does override everything. It overrided many aspects of the series. Is asspull a familiar word to you?
3. Again, never disregarded everything else. He could easily get that amount of chakra now, with Karma seal, can he not? The seal has been syphoning his chakra since he got it, so who knows how much chakra it's contained now. The Sasuke part would be the only remaining part to replicate for Boruto to take down Momoshiki without any aid, if we were to excercise the prospect of Boruto taking Momoshiki alone, but that's impossible for Sasuke and Naruto, so it shouldn't be for Boruto. However, the triumph is still his, and it's Boruto who got the seal. I don't know why you're still denouncing truth in plain sight, even if the credit is shared. One of the episodes is even titled ''Sasuke's secret weapon''. He was the trump card, if I have to spell it out. Upon Sasuke and Naruto failing, it was his duty to defeat Momoshiki and he did, whether you choose to make up excuses or not.


"Ridiculous logic. P1 exhausted from rasengan training base Naruto stalemated Kabuto who was said to be on the same level as p1 Kakashi (without aid). By the logic you're trying to apply, that would make Pre SRA base Naruto stronger than every single person that's below the level of p1 Kabuto and Kakashi. Ridiculous."
I'm lost here.

Bold just makes it even clearer that you have no idea what you yourself are talking about. Tbh, I'm not surprised though.. I already said you were arguing for the sake of it and reading without understanding.. statements like these were bound to pop up sooner or later.
I don't remember saying those exact words. Kind of pathetic (in a non-offensive way) that you're going this far for reaching, it isn't like you.


You should not be full of yourself bro.. I am not you and you are not me. You're literally saying i should like what i don't like because you do.. C'mon man. That's weird as hell.
I was saying you don't necessarily have to ''agree'' with it to ''like'' it. Like not agreeing that ice cream is the best dessert to have after dinner, but liking it anyway. Not the best example, but it makes the point. I don't think that's weird, in my opinion.



Lmao.. you literally said because Momo lost to Bolt the latter would be able to defeat Deva. C'mon man. :lol
With good argument too. Deva is not even close to SM Hashirama who's shit to all god tiers, one of which Boruto took down.


Nope. Only the Kakashi-Kabuto comparison to correct your logic not support an obvious fact which clearly you didn't even understand.
Kabuto was kind of overrated though. Someone that almost got taken down by a worn out genin, he isn't on Kakashi's level in my books. Many characters had hype behind them that they never grew into. Hiruzen types exist throughout the series, naturally.



And again, where exactly in the Op is plot included as a criteria in the match up? If plot wanted, Jiraiya would have defeated Pain.. Plot is a bad excuse you keep hiding behind and is irrelevant and not useful in discussions like these
Like you hide behind context? Let's get naked then (humor intended), though you won't have your context, and I also won't have plot as my shield.



lol why. You could have at least given a reason XD The fact however remains that Boruto tells Naruto that he wouldn't be able to do anything with a rasengan to which Naruto tells him not to worry as he added his chakra to said rasengan.
I just saw so much wrong with it, and I didn't want to cut you into pieces, thought I would be nice and let you stay on the high horse. Fine then, but I'll do it after you respond to this with something psuedo cool.

If i even looked at it in the way you're telling me, you'll rather believe Boruto has more physical strength than an Otsutsuki on Chakra fruit pills which enhanced his body mass than Naruto's rasengan being superior? And your excuse is that Boruto's hand got injured right? Well his arm sleeve got torn off as well. Was that a result of strength exertion as well? :lol
What other justifiable reason is there? Naruto in base was getting jabbed by Momoshiki, and you can't possibly tell me Naruto's ''pure chakra'' can be stronger than a god's chakra that naturally has natural energy, sounds like utter nonsense to me. Boruto's hand being injured isn't really an excuse, since it makes sense for why Momoshiki lost. One sacrificed, the other didn't, and I cannot emphasize the part where Boruto gets pushed back earlier enough. You might want to explain that as well. If the Rasengan was superior in the first place, Boruto would have straight out overpowered Momoshiki but he didn't and there was struggle with Boruto getting pushed back before sacrificing his arm. Instead, we are lead to believe the tools/powers are of the same caliber, with Momoshiki's pseudo Rasengan matching Boruto's in size. Now how is Boruto's pure chakra superior to Momoshiki's? So all this time, all he needed to do was clash with Momoshiki and if he was in RSM would have straight out demolished him since no nature energy was induced in the Rasengan. I find that hard to believe, and think, it's bull, and you're trolling.


Interesting.. Now please narrate how p1 Naruto poses a threat to JJ Madara and Kaguya and how Boruto defeats Deva path in a 1v1. :lol
Hagoromo holograms himself into the world of the living and gives him the biggest power-up, instead of half to him and half to Sasuke, he gets all of it and is then able to understand his powers sooner and access KCM after defeating Kurama in the most plot contrived way. He's then able to potentially seal Madara, and thus is a threat to him because there is actually a way to defeat JJ Madara besides brawling him to death. He also gets power-ups from Hamura, making him an overpowered teen capable of sealing Madara. I don't think it's that hard, honestly.
 
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You can use as many emoticons as you want it doesn't bother me lol. Just didn't like all of that blue, but whatevs.
You're more or less whining because one random person on the internet is using emotes? :lol Man up and take your tears elsewhere bro :lol

Literally, all you do is call things bs and move on after refuting little tid bits than the whole picture, it's as though you got tunnel vision. But I'll play along, I'll also do this part by part.

1. That wasn't the point and was it worth refuting since I closed it down before I could even start on it? I get the feeling you just thought to refuteit because it was easy refuting, or the easiest find in points I drove. What I said, ''I would be making an example on Sasuke vs. Haku'' You didn't even hear out what I had to say there, so again, this was another vain attempt at a refutal.
2. Not really, but it does override everything. It overrided many aspects of the series. Is asspull a familiar word to you?
3. Again, never disregarded everything else. He could easily get that amount of chakra now, with Karma seal, can he not? The seal has been syphoning his chakra since he got it, so who knows how much chakra it's contained now. The Sasuke part would be the only remaining part to replicate for Boruto to take down Momoshiki without any aid, if we were to excercise the prospect of Boruto taking Momoshiki alone, but that's impossible for Sasuke and Naruto, so it shouldn't be for Boruto. However, the triumph is still his, and it's Boruto who got the seal. I don't know why you're still denouncing truth in plain sight, even if the credit is shared. One of the episodes is even titled ''Sasuke's secret weapon''. He was the trump card, if I have to spell it out. Upon Sasuke and Naruto failing, it was his duty to defeat Momoshiki and he did, whether you choose to make up excuses or not.
I already implied before though that i wouldn't be wasting more of my time tackling your irrelevant points.

- That statement was to make you realize anything you thought of about Sasuke and Haku is irrelevant since Haku wasn't defeated by him.

- Again, point out to me where in the Op 'plot' is included as a criteria for this matchup. Is this really that hard to do?

- According to you, the Boruto that defeated Momo can beat Deva and pose problems to Kaguya. Did that Boruto have a Karma seal? No. More grasping for straws eh? keep it up bro :lol


I'm lost here.

I don't remember saying those exact words. Kind of pathetic (in a non-offensive way) that you're going this far for reaching, it isn't like you.
More proof you clearly aren't reading stuff and are just arguing for the sake of it. You tried to claim we were never talking about base Naruto. I provided proof and even gave a post number but your reply is 'i'm lost'? :lol Then i clearly put in bold a portion in your own quote and you say "I don't remember saying it"? :lol You aren't really trying anymore bro lol

Kabuto was kind of overrated though. Someone that almost got taken down by a worn out genin, he isn't on Kakashi's level in my books. Many characters had hype behind them that they never grew into. Hiruzen types exist throughout the series, naturally.
Interesting. So in Kishi's manga, he uses narration to suggest Kabuto and Kakashi are just about in the same boat , Kakashi himself is by Kabuto's skills and there's the small feat of Kabuto lasting as long as he did against Tsunade earning praise from her but i'm supposed to ignore all that because in the books of Piscine from Narutobase, Kabuto is overrated? XD Good joke man XD

Like you hide behind context? Let's get naked then (humor intended), though you won't have your context, and I also won't have plot as my shield.
Hide behind context? Lmao.. So i'm more or less hiding behind facts? How does that make sense. C'mon bro. I'm not the one saying "If bla bla" The use of 'If' already proves its an excuse :lol

What other justifiable reason is there? Naruto in base was getting jabbed by Momoshiki, and you can't possibly tell me Naruto's ''pure chakra'' can be stronger than a god's chakra that naturally has natural energy, sounds like utter nonsense to me. Boruto's hand being injured isn't really an excuse, since it makes sense for why Momoshiki lost. One sacrificed, the other didn't, and I cannot emphasize the part where Boruto gets pushed back earlier enough. You might want to explain that as well. If the Rasengan was superior in the first place, Boruto would have straight out overpowered Momoshiki but he didn't and there was struggle with Boruto getting pushed back before sacrificing his arm. Instead, we are lead to believe the tools/powers are of the same caliber, with Momoshiki's pseudo Rasengan matching Boruto's in size. Now how is Boruto's pure chakra superior to Momoshiki's? So all this time, all he needed to do was clash with Momoshiki and if he was in RSM would have straight out demolished him since no nature energy was induced in the Rasengan. I find that hard to believe, and think, it's bull, and you're trolling.
Sounds like utter nonsense to you and i'm trolling? You say that when your point is that Boruto was physically stronger than a fused pills enhanced Otsutsuki? lol.. stop with the jokes bro. Naruto for one never makes rasengans that huge and there was never a time when his rasengans had a yellow/golden core like the one he made for Boruto in both the anime and the actual canon movie cleary suggesting that wasn't just his base chakra and gives credence to his urging Boruto to make the rasengan when Boruto himself said he doesn't have the strength to contend.

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Lmao.. say's i'm trolling. This guy XD

Hagoromo holograms himself into the world of the living and gives him the biggest power-up, instead of half to him and half to Sasuke, he gets all of it and is then able to understand his powers sooner and access KCM after defeating Kurama in the most plot contrived way. He's then able to potentially seal Madara, and thus is a threat to him because there is actually a way to defeat JJ Madara besides brawling him to death. He also gets power-ups from Hamura, making him an overpowered teen capable of sealing Madara. I don't think it's that hard, honestly.
This is a nice fanfic.. Not going to lie. Would rate it 8/10 tbh. Anyway, like i've been saying, Kaguya thrashes Madara, thrashes Boruto, and thrashes Sasuke and Boruto :lol
 
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Madara is immortal just like her though. I’m not sure ash bone would even work on him. But I do know he is fast enough to avoid it. And its up in the air if She can percieve Limbo or not. Given its a Rinnegan technique and she diesnt have Rinnegan.
 
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You failed at that opening statement.
I guess you don’t find it weird that Madara more or less relied on one technique since he became the Juubi’s Jinchuriki? That being Limbo.
And his Lightning Jutsu, and CT. Both stronger than anything else we’ve seen from him. Do you think he’s ever had any jutsu shown that would have been effective in that battle? And don’t say Susanoo because it’s unclear if he can use it as a Juubi Jinchuriki, which is no more nerf than Obito losing Kamui. Not to mention he didn’t have his EMS.
 
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