Lmfao nice desperate attempt for a save but those ‘fantasy battle scenarios’ happen all the time in the VS. section and now it’s taking place here, so you can try again. Like I’d said, Madara > Non-Senju fruit Kaguya. :kd:
Why do people compare Madara to Kaguya?
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At least for Kaguya even if she never consumed CF she's still someone that is not normal. She is an alien species. Look at Kinshiki a normal Otsutsuki without any godly eyes but holds special abilities that normal human didn't possess. Madara without chakra just a peasant infront of alien being like Kaguya who possess S/T jutsu, a standard ability of Byakugan eyes. If we took anime story Kaguya's Byakugan has somekind of invisible force power that can kill people that stands near her. Flight ability possibly. All these abilities possessed by Kaguya even before he ate chakra fruitAnd Kaguya without the Senju fruit is nothing to Madara
So what normal human Madara can offer here?
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Okay, you wanted to talk about "hypothetical battle" ehh!!
So as you took away CF from Kaguya, I took away Chakra from Madara's body.
Deal with this as you please.
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Kaguya is power incarnate. For all Madara’s skill, she outstrips him vastly in raw power. He has no answer to dimension swapping (even Naruto couldn’t fly in one dimension), her ash bone is an instant kill, and she is nearly omnipresent. The only reason Team 7 won was the fact that they all are master strategists in their own right, and Kishimoto pulled DMS Kakashi out of his ass to level the playing field. Kaguya is on an entirely different level than Madara.
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that attack didn't harm madara clearly you don't read the manga
plus Madara fought all characters including Edo kages + Sasuke and Naruto
while Kaguya got bitch slapped by Sakura ( you don't see sakura punch madara or obito )
and got sealed by 2 teens who are not even expert in sealing
plus Madara fought all characters including Edo kages + Sasuke and Naruto
while Kaguya got bitch slapped by Sakura ( you don't see sakura punch madara or obito )
and got sealed by 2 teens who are not even expert in sealing
salamander uchiha
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Your joking right? Raw power means f'all Madara can swap with limbo at anytime to dodge her attacks(Ash bone etc) and he can generate 4 at one time. His startegic intelligence shits on the combined intelligence of team 7. I made it clear an unnerfed Madara beats her bot one behaving like a kid and not using any of his Jutsu. Also I'm pretty sure I made it clear I was referring to JJ Madara who also has TSBs. She was getting outwitted by two kids and had to keep dimension swapping not to get sealed while having BZ to assist her. I wouldn't give her a win based purely upon raw power ad it didn't save her before.
Kakashi didn't teally need to even use double MS that fight. Kaguya is retarded and can't see through shadow clones or a transformation jutsu with her supreme dojutsu. I wouldn't overrate her against an unnerfed JJ Madara.
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Yeah but Madara got hit with the attack and Kaguya did not get hit with the attackNo offense but you sound pathetic, when Naruto and Sasuke did that to Madara; Madara swapped himself with his Limbo clone to escape without issue. It’s literally in the same page you referenced.
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then how about this:
Next Naruto throwed 1 sage rasenshuriken to Madara and it did a lot damage to him:
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Then against Kaguya Naruto throwed 9 different sage rasenshurikens and it did not a single shit against her:
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Lmao yeah, because he was still unfamiliar with Sasuke’s Rinnegan abilities at the time. And even when he got hit, it didn’t harm him at all. Stop reaching.
Lmfao the nerfed Madara was already badly weakened by the combined efforts of Guy, Minato, Lee and Kakashi’s Kamui. Madara was literally in the process of healing when Naruto popped out of nowhere with ass-pull power ups. Plus, Madara had absolutely no clue as to what had happened to Naruto. Nice try though
Kaguya literally lost control of herself after being hit by those Rasenshuriken.
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Yes kaguya is out of madaras league and would destroy him in a fight, that's obvious. The one's disagreeing are mostly madara fanboys
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i don't know if you're trolling or stupid
Madara was still recovering and regenerating from Gai strongest suicide attack
( since he is fighting more characters unlike kaguya with Sasuke and Naruto only )
these scans i will post are before the scan you have post it in the same chapter
and after Naruto's attack
he still alive with no harm
He's immortal , don't you read the Manga ?
one Eyed Madara with one Rinnegan and half Blind and Obito as Ten tails Jin
Gave Naruto and Sasuke the worst beating
if they weren't healed they will be dead by now
and this is not even Madara Strongest Form
plus as i said ( milion time ) he was Fighting a whole Alliance
not only Team 7
it's logical he will be Stronger than Kaguya because he fought too many Strong people and still undefeated
because if you think otherwise then you're ignoring Manga Facts
Final villain doesn't necessarily mean always the strongest
you will never see Kaguya do this to Naruto and Sasuke
Go Re-read the Manga again ...
Madara was still recovering and regenerating from Gai strongest suicide attack
( since he is fighting more characters unlike kaguya with Sasuke and Naruto only )
these scans i will post are before the scan you have post it in the same chapter
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and after Naruto's attack
he still alive with no harm
He's immortal , don't you read the Manga ?
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one Eyed Madara with one Rinnegan and half Blind and Obito as Ten tails Jin
Gave Naruto and Sasuke the worst beating
if they weren't healed they will be dead by now
and this is not even Madara Strongest Form
plus as i said ( milion time ) he was Fighting a whole Alliance
not only Team 7
it's logical he will be Stronger than Kaguya because he fought too many Strong people and still undefeated
because if you think otherwise then you're ignoring Manga Facts
Final villain doesn't necessarily mean always the strongest
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you will never see Kaguya do this to Naruto and Sasuke
Go Re-read the Manga again ...
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kabutoyakuisi
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When Madara tried to steal Sasuke's rinnegan, Sasuke managed to stab him with a sword with his rinnegan ability:
Sasuke blitzed and sliced Madara in half:
Then Sasuke against Kaguya? Kaguya just destroyed Sasuke's perfect susanoo:
Kaguya dodged instant chidori attack from Sasuke in gravity dimension:
Kaguya again destroyed Sasuke's perfect susanoo:
You see Sasuke who damaged Madara multiple times, never touched Kaguya during the entire battle!!. The only time when Sasuke touched Kaguya is when they sealed her:
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Sasuke blitzed and sliced Madara in half:
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Then Sasuke against Kaguya? Kaguya just destroyed Sasuke's perfect susanoo:
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Kaguya dodged instant chidori attack from Sasuke in gravity dimension:
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Kaguya again destroyed Sasuke's perfect susanoo:
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You see Sasuke who damaged Madara multiple times, never touched Kaguya during the entire battle!!. The only time when Sasuke touched Kaguya is when they sealed her:
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so after sasuke cut Madara in Half what happened Next ?
Madara died and everyone went to their home happy or what ?
he is immortal he wasn't defeated by the main characters
he was defeated by kishimoto
and about Kaguya what's next ?
still defeated and sealed and got bitch slapped by sakura in a humiliated way
no need for Edo kages Team 7 did the job
your argument is weak
Madara died and everyone went to their home happy or what ?
he is immortal he wasn't defeated by the main characters
he was defeated by kishimoto
and about Kaguya what's next ?
still defeated and sealed and got bitch slapped by sakura in a humiliated way
no need for Edo kages Team 7 did the job
your argument is weak
I don't know about that bold man. The fight against Momo was literally the same day or at most the next day after Boruto had to cheat against Shikadai(Kishi's story-line)/lose badly and have to cheat despite 2v1 against Shinki (anime story-line).
You telling me he was able to contend with Otsutsuki's when he clearly lost against Shikadai/Shinki who are eons below Otsutsuki power level just makes it seem like you are just a plain hater willing to ignore context/plot/everything that happened before Momo goes down just to hate on him.
All in all its imo a bad excuse to use because Kaguya destroys Madara and would destroy Boruto as well. Also, what other power was Madara going to gain after completing his main objective which was IT?
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Damn the solo is real, such a shame I can't rep you again:loli don't know if you're trolling or stupid
Madara was still recovering and regenerating from Gai strongest suicide attack
( since he is fighting more characters unlike kaguya with Sasuke and Naruto only )
these scans i will post are before the scan you have post it in the same chapter
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and after Naruto's attack
he still alive with no harm
He's immortal , don't you read the Manga ?
You must be registered for see images
one Eyed Madara with one Rinnegan and half Blind and Obito as Ten tails Jin
Gave Naruto and Sasuke the worst beating
if they weren't healed they will be dead by now
and this is not even Madara Strongest Form
plus as i said ( milion time ) he was Fighting a whole Alliance
not only Team 7
it's logical he will be Stronger than Kaguya because he fought too many Strong people and still undefeated
because if you think otherwise then you're ignoring Manga Facts
Final villain doesn't necessarily mean always the strongest
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you will never see Kaguya do this to Naruto and Sasuke
Go Re-read the Manga again ...
People think a retard like Kaguya who can't see the real Naruto from a fake, who can't see through a basic transformation jutsu can beat a JJ Madara who was taken out by deus ex machina makes me laugh.
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That was Boruto not tapping into his potential, something Sasuke took note of, and brought him along for, even though there was other shinobi like Shinki he could have taken despite having a better showing in the Chuunin Exams. So that Boruto is kind of irrelevant comparing it to the one who was determined for a cause and was ready to use his own powers, with which he was not only able to trick fused Momoshiki but was also able to hurt him, an accomplishment which even the Kage's could not replicate even with Sasuke's aid. And this Boruto can be argued as being vastly stronger than Shinki, who wouldn't have a counter to a Vanishing Rasengan or Boruto with Jougan temporarily awakened. He's out of depth compared to his skills against Momoshiki, as is Shikadai.
I may have already addressed that in the above case, but I'll entertain this idea further. Context doesn't really matter though. Momoshiki was nearly out of fuel, but a child to him is still a child, Boruto at this point is no faster than the kid versions of Sasuke before the Chuunin Exams, and maybe with Stream, he reaches the level of Sasuke after copying Lee's speed. Now Momoshiki is fast, and even before the fusion, the entities were fast enough to brawl with Sasuke on equal grounds an land some hits between, and you know the speed hierarchy of Naruto, and Boruto is right at the bottom compared to the high tiers. Chojuro should be faster than Boruto even with Boruto Stream. Yet, Boruto was able to pull off what they logically could not and last a bit more than they could individually. You could even say Boruto out lasted Gaara, who's the strongest of them besides Naruto. Like I said to the others, I thought the scene between Boruto and Momoshiki was badass, but I could not defend the logic that was temporarily thrown out of the window, so Boruto would be more deserving of the seal. The retcon was conspicuously for that reason, and also, perhaps they got carried away with it, and that was okay too. I don't complain either way, because I liked the spicing, regardless of the errors coming with it.
I absolutely agree, but that Madara wouldn't have won even with aid from one or two villains on his side while Boruto needing individual help was able to take down a threat Kaguya was afraid of and preparing pedantically for, kind of makes Madara a sordid case in comparison with how he went out. The point being: Madara's been trolled more times Boruto has been plot favored.
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So in other words, current Boruto's ability is Otsutsuki level just because of his potential? If yes, i'm sorry but that would be incorrect.
- You say Momo was out of fuel then go and compare scenarios between that Momo and the freshly transformed Momo who wrecked the Kages?
- I keep seeing the stream being mentioned as if it made some sort of difference but i think i remember Momo making a statement right after that suggests that particular attack was a disrespect to him as he went ahead and destroyed the clones. Dude was literally reacting to Ameno and you think stream posed a problem? This is why i mentioned context which you are still choosing to ignore.
Yes, a rasengan left from an obliterated clone hit him but i really don't remember that particular hit fazing him because at the end of the day, Momo was more or less defeated by Naruto's chakra.
- The only badass scene between Boruto and Momo was when the Jougan temporarily activated and he was able to maneuver around Momo's arm but iirc, Momo still destroyed that clone easily so i'm not sure what logic you are referring to especially since we don't have the full details of what exactly Jougan does to its wielder.
This is where context in a sense comes in again.. Do you honestly believe that Momo we were given would have posed any sort of problem to Kaguya? Kaguya thrashes Madara, thrashes Boruto and also thrashes Madara and Boruto together lmao.. Not sure why we are even having this discussion.
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SP is making Boruto Otsutsuki level with his innate potential tapped into. The reality was Boruto was out of his league even though he managed to fool the overpowered villain, but the underlying assumption from it can be made that with his better performance than the Kage's who were partnering together and still couldn't perform as better he's at least Kage level or above that, and this is a consequence of the writing that went into that episode. I personally don't think that but the existence of fans thinking in that manner goes to show we may think Boruto is Otsutsuki level threat, and my point with this in the beginning was to shed light on the injustice of the series with Boruto looming to Otsutsuki level threat with characters heigheted to be immensely strong being mistreated. It opens the wounds of what they did to Madara/Obito, characters that were actually powerful, in their own right.
A fly is still a fly, if you and I were tired out, would a fly pose any danger if we could swat it? Not saying Boruto is a fly equivalent, but the disparity in power between the two can be metamaphorically links to that point. We can compare to that to how Madara had depleting chakra in his half blind state, yet was able to knock away Tailed Beasts with ease and lodge a sword into a remotely fresh Sasuke when he was more tired from fighting, and the power difference between them is not close to the difference between a god and a Genin. No matter how strong Boruto may have been, the difference them was of a greater amount than Hinata and Pain, and Hinata wasn't even able to land one hit on Pain. Can we then assume then that in that instance, Boruto surpassed even Hinata and could take out Pain if he was equipped with a non-absorbable Big Ball Rasengan?
You're right on the Jougan front, we don't know yet what it can do, it may have better precognition than an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, pragmatically contemplating the situation. Base Boruto couldn't dodge Shinki without clones, though with Jougan he's able to dodge a close quarters assault from Momoshiki. 3T Sharingan precognition is out of the picture since VOTE 1 Sasuke couldn't possibly dodge it. The scene wasn't all too badass for me, probably because the choreography that went into Sasuke and Naruto was that much good, but it was badass nonetheless.
Considering Boruto could pose a problem to a fused Momoshiki, it's kind of logic to assume that a god would be able to. And we don't really know whether Kaguya would beat JJ Madara, she could out last him, but Madara was at least x2 stronger than Sasuke and Naruto individually and had just about enough chakra to keep things going to the point the two forced her to awaken her Bijuu state. And JJ Madara is kind of impossible when both have to be JJ and there can only be one JJ, or we're going into the fictional realm? As for her thrashing Boruto, you might want to rethink. Boruto with Jougan was able to push Momoshiki to his limits. Boruto with Jougan and Karma is on a whole other level. Any ninjutsu she can throw at him is absorbed via the seal, so Boruto is already a threat. Boruto Stream is also good distraction when the enemy is worn out, if she lets her guard down for a second, she gets hit by a Rasengan, and there's also the Vanishing Rasengan which she cannot dodge. With timing, and the seals, he has better chances than any shinobi besides the two that already did it. I shouldn't be conceiving these ideas, but thanks to the writing of the series, they may be sensible.
I'll respond to the other points later, I accidentally deleted them in the quoting process, and I'm kind of indolent to re-quote at the moment.
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