[VS] MS Itachi vs MS Sasuke

[EZQ]

Well, Itachi is liar, confirmed by Manga. His statement is more valid than Itachi's, in this case

Another cringe worthy comment coming from this dude, lmao.

 

[DHOH]

Edo Tensei contain Chakra.

Itachi sealed the whole Nagato inside the gourd.

Lol every jutsu contain chakra.. what’s your point?

 

[KingKongDaddyLong]

Itachi wins, simply because he’s a prodigy. He undoubtedly knows more MS abilities than MS Sasuke. He could cast Izanami from the very beginning and it’s over. Plus after he casts it and kills Sasuke, he could transplant Sasuke’s MS eyes and get his eye sight back permanently. RIP.

Izanami only works on people who are pretending to be someone they're not. It's essentially the reality check to Izanagi's reality break.

OT: If this is a non-blind, team seven Fight MS Sasuke, he wins. Danzo fight Sasuke, it could go either way, leaning toward Sasuke. The only way for Itachi to beat him would be to catch him with the Totsuka, which I doubt could break Susanoo.

 

[KingKongDaddyLong]

Tsukuyomi is not useless, itachi lied in part 1 like he said jiraiya can beat both kisame and extra backup akatsuki including himself when latter failed against three paths in his best mode.
Tobi states Sasuke didnt break Tsukuyomi nor his worst illusions to start with.

Totsuka is long range, it can extend as per Databook, it can seal Sasuke's Susano'O.

Yata can repel amaterasu and susanoo arrow and genjutsu.

Tsukuyomi gives itachi full control over space time and matter in his realm. In there he can destroy molecules of his victim and it'll be like it happened in real life and they will die.

Itachi's speed is too much for Sasuke, Kirin is light speed as per databook, yet itachi in his deathbed blind state reacted to it and to add up more, he dodged lightning fast shuriken as per DB from Sasuke and accompany that with zetsu's words which said itachi could've easily dodged it so he was low-key acting as if he couldnt dodge to fool sasuke.


After susano'O gets taken care of, itachi can attack sasuke from the blind spot which not even shared vision can see, essentially creates blindspots where thier are no.

Yata is a defense but a shape-shifting one. It can turn into a sword and damage susanoo as it dont have physical form essentially intangible yet interacts with physical matter. Sasuke cant hurt it but it can.

Nothing implies that Totsuka can seal a Susanoo, which doesn't have a soul, and regardless of what Tobi (whose goal was to manipulate Sasuke into taking Itachi's eyes and seeking more power) said, Black Zetsu and Itachi stated he broke Tsukuyomi, even if he didn't with 3T, MS would be another story, the idea that Sasuke would be absolutely powerless against Itachi's genjutsu seems somewhat asinine.

If Sasuke can react to and combat the Raikage, Itachi's speed will not be an issue for him.

@bold are you trolling? nothing has ever suggested use of Yata offensively.

 

[Uverdore9]

Nothing implies that Totsuka can seal a Susanoo, which doesn't have a soul, and regardless of what Tobi (whose goal was to manipulate Sasuke into taking Itachi's eyes and seeking more power) said, Black Zetsu and Itachi stated he broke Tsukuyomi, even if he didn't with 3T, MS would be another story, the idea that Sasuke would be absolutely powerless against Itachi's genjutsu seems somewhat asinine.

If Sasuke can react to and combat the Raikage, Itachi's speed will not be an issue for him.

@bold are you trolling? nothing has ever suggested use of Yata offensively.

Go troll elsewhere.

It's never stated it can seal just souls. Souls are sealed into a seperate dimension different from the realm physical substances are situated in.

Are you foolishly comparing Raikage 4th to Itachi? The guy who consistently raped Naruto? Same dude who evaded Ā? Lmao I'm convinced you're trolling.

 

[Uverdore9]

Lol every jutsu contain chakra.. what’s your point?

Anything which seals Chakra can seal Susanoo.

Like if something seals a fireball technique do you say it can seal just that "fireball" or that it can seal Chakra?
Im sure it's the latter.

 

[Animegoin]

Izanami only works on people who are pretending to be someone they're not. It's essentially the reality check to Izanagi's reality break.

OT: If this is a non-blind, team seven Fight MS Sasuke, he wins. Danzo fight Sasuke, it could go either way, leaning toward Sasuke. The only way for Itachi to beat him would be to catch him with the Totsuka, which I doubt could break Susanoo.

Wrong, Izanami is whatever the caster sets the criteria to. Itachi merely set it to “Kabuto accepting himself,” and nothing more.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

Aidstachi has nothing to show in front of this Sasuke

 

[KingKongDaddyLong]

Go troll elsewhere.

It's never stated it can seal just souls. Souls are sealed into a seperate dimension different from the realm physical substances are situated in.

Are you foolishly comparing Raikage 4th to Itachi? The guy who consistently raped Naruto? Same dude who evaded Ā? Lmao I'm convinced you're trolling.

Totsuka has never sealed anything but a person. If it sealed “everything” it would literally seal the air around it. It would be a black hole. There has to be SOMETHING it can’t seal. And it has also only ever sealed stationary objects.

If you believe Itachi is faster than V2 Ay, I need the crack you’re smoking. Him reacting to a KCM Naruto clone is not the same as being as fast as one, and combat speed, reaction speed, and movement speed are all different things. Peak MS Sasuke has higher movement speed, and similar reaction/combat speeds to MS Itachi.

No one compared their battle capabilities, but you’d be a fool if you think the same Sasuke who reacted and evaded a bloodlusted V2 Ay can’t keep up with Itachi, especially when Itachi was barely outclassing Hebi Sasuke in hand to hand combat.

Anyway, anything before the Danzo fight loses med diff, Danzo fight Sasuke goes either way extreme High diff, and healthy MS Sasuke who fought Team Seven wins High/Mid Diff. The difference in their Susanoo’s and their reserves was too large at that point.

 

[Uverdore9]

Totsuka has never sealed anything but a person. If it sealed “everything” it would literally seal the air around it. It would be a black hole. There has to be SOMETHING it can’t seal. And it has also only ever sealed stationary objects.

If you believe Itachi is faster than V2 Ay, I need the crack you’re smoking. Him reacting to a KCM Naruto clone is not the same as being as fast as one, and combat speed, reaction speed, and movement speed are all different things. Peak MS Sasuke has higher movement speed, and similar reaction/combat speeds to MS Itachi.

No one compared their battle capabilities, but you’d be a fool if you think the same Sasuke who reacted and evaded a bloodlusted V2 Ay can’t keep up with Itachi, especially when Itachi was barely outclassing Hebi Sasuke in hand to hand combat.

Anyway, anything before the Danzo fight loses med diff, Danzo fight Sasuke goes either way extreme High diff, and healthy MS Sasuke who fought Team Seven wins High/Mid Diff. The difference in their Susanoo’s and their reserves was too large at that point.

Im convinced you're nothing but a butthurt troll. Lmao your points are as bias as it can get. Regular sealing techniques only seal souls and leave the body intact. Spirit Sword superceded this feature. It attracted Nagato into the gourd not just his soul. Your point on air isn't making a shred of sense since he never wanted to seal the air. V2 Ā is slower than Itachi. You'd be a dumbass if you think KCM Naruto is slower than Ā. You'd be really really ignorant if you think he wasn't dragging Sasuke around throughout the fight. Beating him repeatedly in forms of combat. Same guy reputed to possess "more power" than Akatsuki. Lol, as if you're the one deciding whether he'd keep up with a certain person/not. And not the Manga. He'd singlehandedly molest Sasuke for real. His sealing technique has the most hype in the entire verse. It being a Spirit Sword's imbued component. A sword hyped to be the greatest. Saying it'll have difficulty sealing Susanoo is ridiculous. That's spitting in the face of portrayal which you're doing now. Anything before Juugo amped Susanoo are stomped easily. The difference in thier battle capabilities are too wide and great to be compared. Lol you're proven to be as much as a childish liar as you're a troll. You blatantly compared thier battle capacity yet the clown says he didn't. The irony.

 

[KingKongDaddyLong]

Im convinced you're nothing but a butthurt troll. Lmao your points are as bias as it can get. Regular sealing techniques only seal souls and leave the body intact. Spirit Sword superceded this feature. It attracted Nagato into the gourd not just his soul. Your point on air isn't making a shred of sense since he never wanted to seal the air. V2 Ā is slower than Itachi. You'd be a dumbass if you think KCM Naruto is slower than Ā. You'd be really really ignorant if you think he wasn't dragging Sasuke around throughout the fight. Beating him repeatedly in forms of combat. Same guy reputed to possess "more power" than Akatsuki. Lol, as if you're the one deciding whether he'd keep up with a certain person/not. And not the Manga. He'd singlehandedly molest Sasuke for real. His sealing technique has the most hype in the entire verse. It being a Spirit Sword's imbued component. A sword hyped to be the greatest. Saying it'll have difficulty sealing Susanoo is ridiculous. That's spitting in the face of portrayal which you're doing now. Anything before Juugo amped Susanoo are stomped easily. The difference in thier battle capabilities are too wide and great to be compared. Lol you're proven to be as much as a childish liar as you're a troll. You blatantly compared thier battle capacity yet the clown says he didn't. The irony.

Your entire point with the Totsuka is running off of hype, when it has never sealed a pure chakra construct, nor has any other jutsu that was not SPECIFICALLY formulated to counter another one. It has also never hit a non-stationary target, leaving nothing to it’s portrayal of speed.

Itachi is not faster than KCM Naruto. Itachi has better reaction speed than KCM Naruto. Those are entirely separate things. Itachi isn’t dodging V2 Ay’s point blank punch like Naruto, and his movement speed is not equal to Naruto’s. Mind you, that was Naruto’s CLONE.

Ay wasn’t “dragging Sasuke around”, they were going to stalemate if Gaara hadn’t intervened. That was also a situation involving multiple combatants, and Sasuke still managed to track Ay, he just wasn’t fast enough to dodge him. He still managed to hit him with a Chidori at point blank range.

Your point with the sealing is moot. You can’t operate an argument based on hype, if that’s the case, Sasuke is hyped to have “Godspeed”. You’re also not considering the lack of chakra Itachi and stamina Itachi has when he isn’t an Edo. He’s not maintaining Susanoo, or running around a battlefield for as long as Sasuke, especially when Sasuke no longer has to overexert himself just to keep up with Itachi.

Itachi canonically has as much chakra as he did during the battle at the Uchiha hideout, anything else is speculation, even if we consider him healthy, being that being sick has never been said to effect a chakra pool, see Kimimaru. If you consider his Susanoo to be superior, it still only matters for as long as he can keep it up, and Sasuke can’t evade it. His Amaterasu is useless, his Genjutsu is useless, and you’re operating off of hype and inflated feats at this point.

For the last time, Danzo Fight Sasuke goes either way, a non-blind Sasuke who fought Naruto goes high diff. The only MS Sasuke Itachi is “raping” is Taka Sasuke.

 

[Uverdore9]

Your entire point with the Totsuka is running off of hype, when it has never sealed a pure chakra construct, nor has any other jutsu that was not SPECIFICALLY formulated to counter another one. It has also never hit a non-stationary target, leaving nothing to it’s portrayal of speed.

Itachi is not faster than KCM Naruto. Itachi has better reaction speed than KCM Naruto. Those are entirely separate things. Itachi isn’t dodging V2 Ay’s point blank punch like Naruto, and his movement speed is not equal to Naruto’s. Mind you, that was Naruto’s CLONE.

Ay wasn’t “dragging Sasuke around”, they were going to stalemate if Gaara hadn’t intervened. That was also a situation involving multiple combatants, and Sasuke still managed to track Ay, he just wasn’t fast enough to dodge him. He still managed to hit him with a Chidori at point blank range.

Your point with the sealing is moot. You can’t operate an argument based on hype, if that’s the case, Sasuke is hyped to have “Godspeed”. You’re also not considering the lack of chakra Itachi and stamina Itachi has when he isn’t an Edo. He’s not maintaining Susanoo, or running around a battlefield for as long as Sasuke, especially when Sasuke no longer has to overexert himself just to keep up with Itachi.

Itachi canonically has as much chakra as he did during the battle at the Uchiha hideout, anything else is speculation, even if we consider him healthy, being that being sick has never been said to effect a chakra pool, see Kimimaru. If you consider his Susanoo to be superior, it still only matters for as long as he can keep it up, and Sasuke can’t evade it. His Amaterasu is useless, his Genjutsu is useless, and you’re operating off of hype and inflated feats at this point.

For the last time, Danzo Fight Sasuke goes either way, a non-blind Sasuke who fought Naruto goes high diff. The only MS Sasuke Itachi is “raping” is Taka Sasuke.

It has the hype of the strongest weapon on planet. That alone should tell it's speed is above par with the top tiers. Another thing to notice. There was and is absolutely no reaction from Orochimaru's part when he got struck by spirit sword. Just like Nagato. Saying it can't follow and with a short amount of time can't make quick work of Susanoo is beyond common sense. It phases through and kills it from within internally.

 

[KingKongDaddyLong]

It has the hype of the strongest weapon on planet. That alone should tell it's speed is above par with the top tiers. Another thing to notice. There was and is absolutely no reaction from Orochimaru's part when he got struck by spirit sword. Just like Nagato. Saying it can't follow and with a short amount of time can't make quick work of Susanoo is beyond common sense. It phases through and kills it from within internally.

So basically the crux of your argument from Itachi are speculation. Orochimaru never attempted to dodge, and he had enough time to formulate speech before he was sealed. He also was in Hydra form, and couldn’t have dodged a genin’s Kunai at that point. Nagato wasn’t moving in general, which is why Itachi waited until then to seal him.

Tons of things get “strongest” hype. They called Gaara’s sand an absolute defense, and Amaterasu the strongest ninjutsu, hot as the sun. Clearly both are false.

 

[Uverdore9]

So basically the crux of your argument from Itachi are speculation. Orochimaru never attempted to dodge, and he had enough time to formulate speech before he was sealed. He also was in Hydra form, and couldn’t have dodged a genin’s Kunai at that point. Nagato wasn’t moving in general, which is why Itachi waited until then to seal him.

Tons of things get “strongest” hype. They called Gaara’s sand an absolute defense, and Amaterasu the strongest ninjutsu, hot as the sun. Clearly both are false.

Amaterasu is a strongest Ninjutsu considering it ate the cave of Sage Kabuto neg diff. Japanese do not take strongest literally. It just means one of the strongest. Gaara's defense being absolute is a reference to it being omnidirectional. It's such a reference that it has been explained from part 1. Whereas the DB hypes the spirit blade to be an absolutely perfect attack not just strongest. That's some immense amount of portrayal which cannot be ignored. Meaning immobile or not Oro is in no position to dodge it given the hype. He even admits inferiority to Itachi before knowing he has the possession of the Totsuka blade. Hype wise he never stood a chance at that point so the talking part and immobile part is irrelevant. Itachi has the will to control the blade, it follows his will. He gave an order to it to stop sealing Edo Nagato before he finishes his sentence toward Naruto.

 

[niceday]

Itachi

 

[AJBecky BlissRollins]

Itachi is the overall more seasoned and superior MS user so he edges out the fight High diff.

 

[Animegoin]

Itachi is the overall more seasoned and superior MS user so he edges out the fight High diff.

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