What if...........

[Uverdore9]

Because your entire composition is literal bullshit.

So why would you not?

Bold@: so you agree the composition of your post was nothing but bullshit?

 

[Animegoin]

Bold@: so you agree the composition of your post was nothing but bullshit?

I do, isn’t it obvious; did you really need to ask that question?

Are you still going to evade addressing it though, considering that both you and my post was composed of the same tier fecal matter? I’ll give you a crutch, you can bring along a sentient sword and the Amerterasu flames that are capable of eating.

 

[Uverdore9]

I do, isn’t it obvious; did you really need to ask that question?

Are you still going to evade addressing it though, considering that both you and my post was composed of the same tier fecal matter? I’ll give you a crutch, you can bring along a sentient sword and the Amerterasu flames that are capable of eating.

Man look, if this site did not have such a thing as "rules", you would've fully comprehended how far beneath me you are. Your seemingly, shit-tier trolling doesn't trigger me, child.

 

[Animegoin]

Man look, if this site did not have such a thing as "rules", you would've fully comprehended how far beneath me you are. Your seemingly, shit-tier trolling doesn't trigger me, child.

Lmfao then why are you still evading? :Sparks: :kd:

Seems you’re unable to summon the courage (or rather the intelligence) to respond to the post. I’ll just go ahead and accept your concession.

 

[Oblivionx]

Nah even with both on their side Obito would kamui them out of the battle I'd need be. There's nothing they can do to escape Kamui dimension at that point and Itachi was also trained by Obito. The bigger question is would Danzo let Shisui live and would Shisui fight against the Uchiha? The answer to the latter is never. Without Shisui's death Itachi would never achieve the Mangekyou so he loses significant battle power.



It was supposed to be a rarity but after Madara's time it started being handed out. Obito, Kakashi, Itachi, Sasuke and Shisui acquired it then pretty much every other Uchiha can acquire it. Especially in their time so yeah they'd have the MS Sharingan based off of conformity. It could be viewed as another reason why Nazirama Senju tried to keep them away from combat and the front lines. Apart from their near limitless potential(ability to acquire jutsu and knowledge via sharingan) they'd be gaining MS on top of it.

What about KA? Can't it bring obito over to the konoha's side? Interesting as that sounds, itachi never intended to use it on obito to kill him or to win him over. Kinda depicts, KA has limits too. I agree with itachi not having MS if shisui was alive but wouldn't he get it anyways after seeing battle between his clan and konoha.
Also obito trained itachi? I missed that part. Was it stated in manga?

And i don't agree with uchiha getting MS that easily. I mean you gotta have talent or some sort of conviction to get it. You can't just have it by seeing death. Otherwise it would no sense for only madara and izuna to have MS. All uchihas you mentioned were top uchihas except obito may be, if we go by skill.

 

[Oblivionx]

Then, Konoha wins, likely. Shisui and Itachi are both gold standard Uchiha, found once in decade.

I dont think Fugaku can take on the combined force of Hiruzen, and Danzo, both elites and students of Hashirama. I'm sure they've enough experience battling the Uchiha.

The difference maker, on that showdown was Itachi, likely, as

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haha i was waiting for this... =D

 

[Oblivionx]

mmmmH..thx...so if u r a tobidara believer then why don't u join my tobidara clan groupe...

I am not big on groupe.. I like to dwell alone mina...

 

[Oblivionx]

If Itachi and Shisui were on Konoha’s side then Konoha stands absolutely no chance against the Uchiha. For one, if Shisui was still alive then Itachi wouldn’t have his MS. But even if Shisui was already dead and Itachi had awakened the MS, he wouldn’t know nearly anything about it- considering that Obito was the one who taught Itachi everything the former knew about the MS sharingan. The most he would have in his arsenal would be the Tsukuyoumi

@bold, you almost implied that if they were on uchiha side, konoha would stand a chance =D
Does MS need training or being told about? Sasuke managed to use everything on his own. Why wouldn't itachi be able to?
And if shisui was alive, he would have MS and KA. Itachi would still have his tactics (his greatest weapon) and shisui's MS to rely on. Itachi and shisui both can't beat obito? even with KA? Coz i am sure konoha can take uchihas if these elites are out of the way.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The leaf would be destroyed

 

[salamander uchiha]

What about KA? Can't it bring obito over to the konoha's side? Interesting as that sounds, itachi never intended to use it on obito to kill him or to win him over. Kinda depicts, KA has limits too. I agree with itachi not having MS if shisui was alive but wouldn't he get it anyways after seeing battle between his clan and konoha.
Also obito trained itachi? I missed that part. Was it stated in manga?

Nah Itachi wouldn't get MS it comes from losing somebody close to you. In Itachi's case it was Shisui who was like his family, Itachi gave two shits about his clan. Even then you assume he gains instant mastery over it, it takes time and training. He wouldn't have the weapons of solo either further weakening him. As for Shisui's KA it requires an element of surprise. Take Mifune he didn't know about it whereas Ao recognised it's effects instantly. Ao a second rate ninja knew about it and Tobi definitely knew about it when Danzo was fighting Sasuke he mentioned it.

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He's Itachi's teacher.

Anyway Tobi has access to the six paths techs, the Uchiha techs, Yin yang release, Mokuton with which he violated the Kiri ANBU like fodder. The Mezo if he so chooses and he could just as easily extract the 9 tails from Naruto.

And i don't agree with uchiha getting MS that easily. I mean you gotta have talent or some sort of conviction to get it. You can't just have it by seeing death. Otherwise it would no sense for only madara and izuna to have MS. All uchihas you mentioned were top uchihas except obito may be, if we go by skill.

Madara and Izuna had it and in their time it was rare, in Itachi's time talent isn't required. Obito the talentless acquired it, shisui acquired it etc. In the new age it's acquired by seeing somebody you care about deeply dieing. Nobody cares more about anybody other than family. Your disagreement doesn't overrule the method of attainment.

 

[Animegoin]

@bold, you almost implied that if they were on uchiha side, konoha would stand a chance =D
Does MS need training or being told about? Sasuke managed to use everything on his own. Why wouldn't itachi be able to?
And if shisui was alive, he would have MS and KA. Itachi would still have his tactics (his greatest weapon) and shisui's MS to rely on. Itachi and shisui both can't beat obito? even with KA? Coz i am sure konoha can take uchihas if these elites are out of the way.

Incorrect, Sasuke already had experience using Amaterasu because Itachi had implanted that technique into his eye. Sasuke’s eye triggered Amaterasu upon seeing Obito’s MS. Sasuke also witnessed Itachi’s Susano’o but he wasn’t able to use it right off the bat, so it’s evident that the MS needs to be trained, so again, Itachi would only be able to use Tskuyoumi.

In terms of the Itachi’s MS and KA, Itachi can only use KA once and I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t know that right away. And it’ll be foolish to assume that the other Uchiha aren’t well versed in overcoming genjutsu, which Itachi himself said that an Uchiha with KKG can overcome Tskuyoumi. While Itachi is talented, so is Obito. Obito has mokuton, Senju DNA, and can’t be touched. He, more than likely, has a backup sharingan (probably took elder Madara’s replacement sharingan) so that he could use Izanagi to get out of a bad situation.

If Shisui was alive, he’d still be at a disadvantage because Danzo would have his other eye and Itachi wouldn’t have obtained the MS. And even then, safe to say that he would only be able to use KA once also. If he uses it on any of the non-important Uchihas, then even if they try to attack Obito...none of them will succeed.

 

[Oblivionx]

Nah Itachi wouldn't get MS it comes from losing somebody close to you. In Itachi's case it was Shisui who was like his family, Itachi gave two shits about his clan. Even then you assume he gains instant mastery over it, it takes time and training. He wouldn't have the weapons of solo either further weakening him. As for Shisui's KA it requires an element of surprise. Take Mifune he didn't know about it whereas Ao recognised it's effects instantly. Ao a second rate ninja knew about it and Tobi definitely knew about it when Danzo was fighting Sasuke he mentioned it.

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He's Itachi's teacher.

Anyway Tobi has access to the six paths techs, the Uchiha techs, Yin yang release, Mokuton with which he violated the Kiri ANBU like fodder. The Mezo if he so chooses and he could just as easily extract the 9 tails from Naruto.



Madara and Izuna had it and in their time it was rare, in Itachi's time talent isn't required. Obito the talentless acquired it, shisui acquired it etc. In the new age it's acquired by seeing somebody you care about deeply dieing. Nobody cares more about anybody other than family. Your disagreement doesn't overrule the method of attainment.

I know that tobi is stronger than itachi but i think you guys are overestimating MS. Itachi also had shisui on his side who had MS. So itachi surely knew about its powers beforehand. Also even if obito was his teacher, he taught him, so he has that knowledge regardless. We are not saying that tobi never met itachi beforehand. This scenario is specifically about uchiha massacre. Not about events before it. And the whole purpose of KA is that the one under its influence doesn't know it. Mifune did not cancel genjutsu or anything. It was automatically removed when he came to know about it. You think itachi can't surprise obito with one move? Coz he already did with amaterasu through sasuke in canon.

Incorrect, Sasuke already had experience using Amaterasu because Itachi had implanted that technique into his eye. Sasuke’s eye triggered Amaterasu upon seeing Obito’s MS. Sasuke also witnessed Itachi’s Susano’o but he wasn’t able to use it right off the bat, so it’s evident that the MS needs to be trained, so again, Itachi would only be able to use Tskuyoumi.

In terms of the Itachi’s MS and KA, Itachi can only use KA once and I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t know that right away. And it’ll be foolish to assume that the other Uchiha aren’t well versed in overcoming genjutsu, which Itachi himself said that an Uchiha with KKG can overcome Tskuyoumi. While Itachi is talented, so is Obito. Obito has mokuton, Senju DNA, and can’t be touched. He, more than likely, has a backup sharingan (probably took elder Madara’s replacement sharingan) so that he could use Izanagi to get out of a bad situation.

If Shisui was alive, he’d still be at a disadvantage because Danzo would have his other eye and Itachi wouldn’t have obtained the MS. And even then, safe to say that he would only be able to use KA once also. If he uses it on any of the non-important Uchihas, then even if they try to attack Obito...none of them will succeed.

Do you think KA won't work on obito? Obviously itachi and shisui won't waste it on no name fodder. They will go for obito. I agree with everything else.

 

[minamoto]

I am not big on groupe.. I like to dwell alone mina...

ok as u wish olbivion....i believe in freedom of freedom..

 

[Animegoin]

Do you think KA won't work on obito? Obviously itachi and shisui won't waste it on no name fodder. They will go for obito. I agree with everything else.

I believe KA will work on Obito but it may be dispelled right away because, as you said, the genjutsu is broken after someone realizes that they’ve been manipulated. If Obito already knows about KA, then it may be nullified but other than that, Obito is entirely susceptible.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I know that tobi is stronger than itachi but i think you guys are overestimating MS. Itachi also had shisui on his side who had MS. So itachi surely knew about its powers beforehand. Also even if obito was his teacher, he taught him, so he has that knowledge regardless. We are not saying that tobi never met itachi beforehand. This scenario is specifically about uchiha massacre. Not about events before it. And the whole purpose of KA is that the one under its influence doesn't know it. Mifune did not cancel genjutsu or anything. It was automatically removed when he came to know about it. You think itachi can't surprise obito with one move? Coz he already did with amaterasu through sasuke in canon.

So what would KA do to Tobi exactly if Itachi uses his Shisui crow on him? We've seen it been used on Mifune for nonlethal was, so what would be the most lethal way that he can use it on Tobi?
And using his biggest Ace in the hole would be dangerous if the rest of the Uchiha clan is involved in the battle too. They know Shisui's chakra color so they can counter like Ao did, right?

 

[Oblivionx]

I believe KA will work on Obito but it may be dispelled right away because, as you said, the genjutsu is broken after someone realizes that they’ve been manipulated. If Obito already knows about KA, then it may be nullified but other than that, Obito is entirely susceptible.

Yeah i guess not knowing KA's limits kinda puts a question mark on it..

So what would KA do to Tobi exactly if Itachi uses his Shisui crow on him? We've seen it been used on Mifune for nonlethal was, so what would be the most lethal way that he can use it on Tobi?
And using his biggest Ace in the hole would be dangerous if the rest of the Uchiha clan is involved in the battle too. They know Shisui's chakra color so they can counter like Ao did, right?

Bring tobi over to the konoha's side is what i was suggesting. But if that was possible, itachi would have done so already i guess.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I know that tobi is stronger than itachi but i think you guys are overestimating MS. Itachi also had shisui on his side who had MS. So itachi surely knew about its powers beforehand. Also even if obito was his teacher, he taught him, so he has that knowledge regardless. We are not saying that tobi never met itachi beforehand. This scenario is specifically about uchiha massacre. Not about events before it. And the whole purpose of KA is that the one under its influence doesn't know it. Mifune did not cancel genjutsu or anything. It was automatically removed when he came to know about it. You think itachi can't surprise obito with one move? Coz he already did with amaterasu through sasuke in canon.

If Shisui is alive then Itachi doesn't learn about the MS or attain the MS. Itachi only learnt about it from Shisui who died to give it to him. At the point in time Itachi had no known knowledge of it. If Shisui's alive and has both his eyes then there's no guarantee he'll ever learn about it. On top of that Itachi would never have met Tobi and gained knowledge of the Uchiha techs and all that Tobi taught him. Mifune doesn't know about the Mangekyou whereas Obito does. Also it's because Obito taight Itachi he was able to surprise him and even then Obito made clear he survived be ause he kept a few secrets from him. That ability, level or insight doesn't exist in the 13 year old Itachi.

I'm not over estimating the MS if anything you're underestimating the scenario that would unfold.