Analysing Kurenai's Genjutsu

[InfiniteMugen]

It’s highly underrated, had it not been itachi she was up against she probably would of killed them. The opponents strength itself doesn’t seem to matter, only their proficiency in genjutsu, and lets be honest, we can count how many genjutsu users are around itachis level on an bloody stump

 

[neosmith500]

Would've been interesing if it was Kisame Vs Kurenai and she stomps him with that jutsu alone. Where would she be ranked if this happened? Kisame doesn't have Genjutsu counter or sharingan. I agree with the thread.

 

[DrProof]

Would've been interesing if it was Kisame Vs Kurenai and she stomps him with that jutsu alone. Where would she be ranked if this happened? Kisame doesn't have Genjutsu counter or sharingan. I agree with the thread.

Samehada counters Genjutsu.

 

[Icelerate]

Would've been interesing if it was Kisame Vs Kurenai and she stomps him with that jutsu alone. Where would she be ranked if this happened? Kisame doesn't have Genjutsu counter or sharingan. I agree with the thread.

I agree with Dr. Proof, eventually Samehada would have breaken him out. Though a serious Kisame can kill Kurenai in seconds so she wouldn't be able to pull that off either way. I'd have liked to see non sharingan and non sage mode genjutsu in more detail but unfortunately most of the cast was forgotten about in favour of top tiers.

 

[BlazeRelease]

You think she can defeat anyone in the Akatsuki? Maybe Deidara. And Hidan I guess, Kakuzu as well if he can't break the genjutsu, but I feel like he probably can.

 

[DrProof]

You think she can defeat anyone in the Akatsuki? Maybe Deidara. And Hidan I guess, Kakuzu as well if he can't break the genjutsu, but I feel like he probably can.

**** no.

 

[BlazeRelease]

**** no.

Any explanation for how Hidan or Deidara might break a genjutsu that Kisame, another fellow S rank criminal, was caught in? He would only break it thanks to Samehada.

Deidara is SHARINGAN genjutsu resistant. or, at least his eye is in some fashion.

Hidan has 0 genjutsu feats, so genjutsu behead GG.

Kakuzu can probably break genjutsu of her caliber, since he is like a hundred years old or some shit, and supposedly fought Hashirama once. That means he likely has fought Uchiha in his days at some point, who would have killed him if he wasn't skilled at breaking genjutsu.

 

[neosmith500]

Samehada counters Genjutsu.

I agree with Dr. Proof, eventually Samehada would have breaken him out. Though a serious Kisame can kill Kurenai in seconds so she wouldn't be able to pull that off either way. I'd have liked to see non sharingan and non sage mode genjutsu in more detail but unfortunately most of the cast was forgotten about in favour of top tiers.

Forgot about Samehada for some reason and yea Kurenai w/o cover would get rushed between seals. But w/o any unatural help or advantage this Genjutsu is dangerous. Kisame was clueless and w/o Samehade would've been fodder to the genjutsu. Would've been great to see some A or even S ranked Genjutsu.

 

[Icelerate]

Forgot about Samehada for some reason and yea Kurenai w/o cover would get rushed between seals. But w/o any unatural help or advantage this Genjutsu is dangerous. Kisame was clueless and w/o Samehade would've been fodder to the genjutsu. Would've been great to see some A or even S ranked Genjutsu.

I remember in Hyuuga debates, it was often argued that Hyuuga clan members such as Neji can break genjutsus with ease. Assuming Neji was caught in Kurenai's genjutsu, do you think he could break it? He can still rush her with vacuum palm before she can complete hand seals so I'm not arguing Kurenai can beat Shippuden Neji.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I remember in Hyuuga debates, it was often argued that Hyuuga clan members such as Neji can break genjutsus with ease. Assuming Neji was caught in Kurenai's genjutsu, do you think he could break it? He can still rush her with vacuum palm before she can complete hand seals so I'm not arguing Kurenai can beat Shippuden Neji.

they can see their own chakra flow and expel chakra from every point of their body at will. So it stands to reason that breaking genjutsu should come rather easy for hyuuga, regardless of circumstance.

 

[Icelerate]

they can see their own chakra flow and expel chakra from every point of their body at will. So it stands to reason that breaking genjutsu should come rather easy for hyuuga, regardless of circumstance.

I guess the Byakugan's ability to see irregularites within their chakra flow combined with their chakra control gives them the ability to easily disturb their chakra.

 

[neosmith500]

I remember in Hyuuga debates, it was often argued that Hyuuga clan members such as Neji can break genjutsus with ease. Assuming Neji was caught in Kurenai's genjutsu, do you think he could break it? He can still rush her with vacuum palm before she can complete hand seals so I'm not arguing Kurenai can beat Shippuden Neji.

They SHOULD. When Neji focuses his Chakra and does what he does before using Rotation/Body-blow , this could likely disturb the foreign chakra running through his brain. If not , then using Body-blow after should fully disturb the foreign chakra.

 

[Mellanoma]

they can see their own chakra flow and expel chakra from every point of their body at will. So it stands to reason that breaking genjutsu should come rather easy for hyuuga, regardless of circumstance.

If they dont know they are in a genjutsu how will they break themselves out?

Byakugan can easily see someone else in a genjutsu but if they are trapped themselves would it not take a moment to realize they are trapped?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

If they dont know they are in a genjutsu how will they break themselves out?

Byakugan can easily see someone else in a genjutsu but if they are trapped themselves would it not take a moment to realize they are trapped?

they can see their own chakra flow

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Literally the first six words.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

-_-

Literally the first six words.

How much does that matter if they're trapped themselves though? Genjutsu controls what a person sees, so it's completely plausible that it may be capable of inhibiting the Byakugan user's ability to see his own or others' chakra flow. Granted it would be a big flag if an user couldn't see their own tenketsu, but it's possible the flow they see can be manipulated to look normal rather than obscured like I said initially. I don't think the hardest part of breaking out of genjutsu is even noticing it tbh.

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If your vision became black and all you saw was this, some random ninja had you trapped in a tree despite the rarity of the ability, or it seems as though time itself is reversing and repeating, I think you'd obviously consider the possibility that it's a genjutsu & try to dispel it. Question is, can a random Hyuga overcome whatever the hell it is that inhibits their actions? They'd have to do that before they could disrupt their chakra flow & we saw Kurenai herself struggle to do so despite immediately recognizing the genjutsu.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

How much does that matter if they're trapped themselves though? Genjutsu controls what a person sees, so it's completely plausible that it may be capable of inhibiting the Byakugan user's ability to see his own or others' chakra flow. Granted it would be a big flag if an user couldn't see their own tenketsu, but it's possible the flow they see can be manipulated to look normal rather than obscured like I said initially. I don't think the hardest part of breaking out of genjutsu is even noticing it tbh.

They would see that their chakra is disturbed, there's never been an instance of a genjutsu replicating what its like to see chakra let alone the chakra pathway system, let alone tenketsu(most genjutsu can't even get the surroundings correctly hence why sharingan which picks up minute details of surrounding breaks through them easily). Furthermore the location of tenketsu is specific to each person( logically since everybody's body is shaped differently and thus the chakra pathway network in correspondence to said body would be different, resulting in differently located tenketsu) it would be impossible for a genjutsu caster to replicate what their victim's chakra network (and tenketsu) looks like, unless they themselves can see said victims tenketsu. Bus as I already said that's an impossible on top of an improbable.

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If your vision became black and all you saw was this, some random ninja had you trapped in a tree despite the rarity of the ability, or it seems as though time itself is reversing and repeating, I think you'd obviously consider the possibility that it's a genjutsu & try to dispel it. Question is, can a random Hyuga overcome whatever the hell it is that inhibits their actions? They'd have to do that before they could disrupt their chakra flow & we saw Kurenai herself struggle to do so despite immediately recognizing the genjutsu.

There's nothing that puts C's chakra control lvl anywhere near that of a hyuuga, and physical paralysis wont change them from doing things that require no physical movement to begin with. I.e. releasing chakra from every tenketsu point in the body.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

They would see that their chakra is disturbed, there's never been an instance of a genjutsu replicating what its like to see chakra let alone the chakra pathway system, let alone tenketsu(most genjutsu can't even get the surroundings correctly hence why sharingan which picks up minute details of surrounding breaks through them easily). Furthermore the location of tenketsu is specific to each person( logically since everybody's body is shaped differently and thus the chakra pathway network in correspondence to said body would be different, resulting in differently located tenketsu) it would be impossible for a genjutsu caster to replicate what their victim's chakra network (and tenketsu) looks like, unless they themselves can see said victims tenketsu. Bus as I already said that's an impossible on top of an improbable.




There's nothing that puts C's chakra control lvl anywhere near that of a hyuuga, and physical paralysis wont change them from doing things that require no physical movement to begin with. I.e. releasing chakra from every tenketsu point in the body.

Sakura uses a seal(physical movement) to channel her genjutsu disruption & her chakra control is top notch.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Sakura uses a seal(physical movement) to channel her genjutsu disruption & her chakra control is top notch.

So? Until she can do it without physically moving then shes assed out.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

So? Until she can do it without physically moving then shes assed out.

Wow, I thought you were smarter. She broke a genjutsu that both Naruto(perfect jin) and Hinata(Hyuuga) failed to dispel. Despite her genjutsu affinity and all of her chakra control, which you think would save the Hyuugas, she still has to focus & channel her chakra through hand seals. I'm saying that this is another aspect to breaking genjutsu that not all Hyugas will have ease overcoming. A Hyuuga's ability to pump chakra out all of their tenketsu does not seem to be a saving grace in this scenario if we consider someone like Sakura, who doesn't need hand seals to expel a large amount of her chakra from her hands, which effectively results in the same result- a quick dip in the user's circulating chakra, needs to perform these physical movements.


It's questionable if sending chakra throughout your tenketsu doesn't qualify as a physical retraction of some sort as well. It's also questionable if genjutsu is limited to inhibiting only the physical as we understand the basis of it is screwing with minds, which aligns with spirituality and the innerness that chakra finds itself.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Wow, I thought you were smarter. She broke a genjutsu that both Naruto(perfect jin) and Hinata(Hyuuga) failed to dispel. Despite her genjutsu affinity and all of her chakra control, which you think would save the Hyuugas, she still has to focus & channel her chakra through hand seals. I'm saying that this is another aspect to breaking genjutsu that not all Hyugas will have ease overcoming. A Hyuuga's ability to pump chakra out all of their tenketsu does not seem to be a saving grace in this scenario if we consider someone like Sakura, who doesn't need hand seals to expel a large amount of her chakra from her hands, which effectively results in the same result- a quick dip in the user's circulating chakra, needs to perform these physical movements.


It's questionable if sending chakra throughout your tenketsu doesn't qualify as a physical retraction of some sort as well. It's also questionable if genjutsu is limited to inhibiting only the physical as we understand the basis of it is screwing with minds, which aligns with spirituality and the innerness that chakra finds itself.

That genjustu was Plot induced stupidity. I'm not putting sakura above a perfect jin when it comes to breaking genjutsu -_-