Analysing Kurenai's Genjutsu

[salamander uchiha]

Wow, I thought you were smarter. She broke a genjutsu that both Naruto(perfect jin) and Hinata(Hyuuga) failed to dispel. Despite her genjutsu affinity and all of her chakra control, which you think would save the Hyuugas, she still has to focus & channel her chakra through hand seals. I'm saying that this is another aspect to breaking genjutsu that not all Hyugas will have ease overcoming. A Hyuuga's ability to pump chakra out all of their tenketsu does not seem to be a saving grace in this scenario if we consider someone like Sakura, who doesn't need hand seals to expel a large amount of her chakra from her hands, which effectively results in the same result- a quick dip in the user's circulating chakra, needs to perform these physical movements.


It's questionable if sending chakra throughout your tenketsu doesn't qualify as a physical retraction of some sort as well. It's also questionable if genjutsu is limited to inhibiting only the physical as we understand the basis of it is screwing with minds, which aligns with spirituality and the innerness that chakra finds itself.

Nothing but facts

That genjustu was Plot induced stupidity. I'm not putting sakura above a perfect jin when it comes to breaking genjutsu -_-

Being a perfect jin means nothing, it's canon bro take it or leave it. Sakura is superior there's not much more to discuss in that respect.

 

[shadowcb]

Wow, I thought you were smarter. She broke a genjutsu that both Naruto(perfect jin) and Hinata(Hyuuga) failed to dispel. Despite her genjutsu affinity and all of her chakra control, which you think would save the Hyuugas, she still has to focus & channel her chakra through hand seals. I'm saying that this is another aspect to breaking genjutsu that not all Hyugas will have ease overcoming. A Hyuuga's ability to pump chakra out all of their tenketsu does not seem to be a saving grace in this scenario if we consider someone like Sakura, who doesn't need hand seals to expel a large amount of her chakra from her hands, which effectively results in the same result- a quick dip in the user's circulating chakra, needs to perform these physical movements.


It's questionable if sending chakra throughout your tenketsu doesn't qualify as a physical retraction of some sort as well. It's also questionable if genjutsu is limited to inhibiting only the physical as we understand the basis of it is screwing with minds, which aligns with spirituality and the innerness that chakra finds itself.

You mean the genjutsu that Naruto never tried to break, instead he left his genjutsu trap, entered Hinata's genjutsu and freely roam throughout it. I have never seen Sakura do that. I have seen Uchiha do that.

To claim Naruto couldn't defeat you have to provide facts that Naruto tried to defeat it. He never tried to defeat, those are the facts.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

You mean the genjutsu that Naruto never tried to break, instead he left his genjutsu trap, entered Hinata's genjutsu and freely roam throughout it. I have never seen Sakura do that. I have seen Uchiha do that.

To claim Naruto couldn't defeat you have to provide facts that Naruto tried to defeat it. He never tried to defeat, those are the facts.

It wasn't up to Naruto. It was up to Kurama to stop it, and he should have immediately warned Naruto considering he had no idea how positively the genjutsu was going to play out. I'm willing to say it was just plot so Naruto could realize what Hinata thought of him though. I also recall Sakura entering Naruto and Hinata's genjutsu, but I'm not sure. Whatever the case, it's unclear whether Naruto or Hinata caused their genjutsu to be linked and whether the linking was intentional.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Nothing but facts




Being a perfect jin means nothing, it's canon bro take it or leave it. Sakura is superior there's not much more to discuss in that respect.

Being a perfect jin means kurama can break genjutsu, since he's a separate entity unaffected by genjutsu. -_- Nothing puts sakura above that.

Its plot induced stupidity that a genjutsu is used so naruto has the chance to see hinata's memories via a fcking scarf. Thus moving the plot(naruto and hinata's relationship) forward. I know a reach when i see one.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Being a perfect jin means kurama can break genjutsu, since he's a separate entity unaffected by genjutsu. -_- Nothing puts sakura above that.

Its plot induced stupidity that a genjutsu is used so naruto has the chance to see hinata's memories via a fcking scarf. Thus moving the plot(naruto and hinata's relationship) forward. I know a reach when i see one.

Call it what you like but it's canon a perfect jin couldn't break genjutsu. Saying that being a perfect jin doesn't give you that skill. You can't use Bee's feats to justify Naruto's the two are sealed differently and the mechanics of their union work different as well. Just as Naruto can't transform into the real kurama but rather a chakra mode version. We can't use his feats/skills to justify Bee's either.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Call it what you like but it's canon a perfect jin couldn't break genjutsu. Saying that being a perfect jin doesn't give you that skill. You can't use Bee's feats to justify Naruto's the two are sealed differently and the mechanics of their union work different as well. Just as Naruto can't transform into the real kurama but rather a chakra mode version. We can't use his feats/skills to justify Bee's either.

The seal has nothing to do with the skill. -_- That's like saying the use of tailed beast ball depends on the tailed beast.

 

[salamander uchiha]

The seal has nothing to do with the skill. -_- That's like saying the use of tailed beast ball depends on the tailed beast.

Of course it does, it shows their relation and bond and how it differs or the mechanics of their Jin status/skills available.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Of course it does, it shows their relation and bond and how it differs or the mechanics of their Jin status/skills available.

No it doesn't Especially since in the case of Perfect jins the seal is always fcking open U never see kurama or gyuuki behind a cage.

 

[salamander uchiha]

No it doesn't Especially since in the case of Perfect jins the seal is always fcking open U never see kurama or gyuuki behind a cage.

So what does that prove?

They're clearly different in application Naruto wouldn't have a chakra mode but a bodily transformation like Gyuki and Bee. Anyway the only perfect Jin who has genjutsu immunity and feats are Gyuki and Bee. Even to let Kurama out Naruro must also undo the seal Bee doesn't for Gyuki.

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Here we have another perfect jin who became the bitch of genjutsu.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

So what does that prove?

They're clearly different in application Naruto wouldn't have a chakra mode but a bodily transformation like Gyuki and Bee. Anyway the only perfect Jin who has genjutsu immunity and feats are Gyuki and Bee. Even to let Kurama out Naruro must also undo the seal Bee doesn't for Gyuki.

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Here we have another perfect jin who became the bitch of genjutsu.

What are you talking about? the seal has been undone since chapter

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There's no need for input from naruto when it comes to kurama disturbing his chakra, since there's

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We don't know the parameters behind yagura and isobu's control.There's a lot of plot line continuity errors when it comes to blood mist.

Be that as it may it doesnt change the point: The parter method breaks genjutsu for perfect jins. And as seen kurama was unaffected by the genjutsu therefore he should have broken it.

 

[salamander uchiha]

What are you talking about? the seal has been undone since chapter

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There's no need for input from naruto when it comes to kurama disturbing his chakra, since there's

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.

We don't know the parameters behind yagura and isobu's control.There's a lot of plot line continuity errors when it comes to blood mist.

Be that as it may it doesnt change the point: The parter method breaks genjutsu for perfect jins. And as seen kurama was unaffected by the genjutsu therefore he should have broken it.

I'll repeat this:

So what does that prove?

They're clearly different in application Naruto wouldn't have a chakra mode but a bodily transformation like Gyuki and Bee. Anyway the only perfect Jin who has genjutsu immunity and feats are Gyuki and Bee. Even to let Kurama out Naruro must also undo the seal Bee doesn't for Gyuki.

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Here we have another perfect jin who became the bitch of genjutsu.

And I'll raise you this:

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Naruto is undoing the seal again

Not that it matters his method of perfection makes no difference just as Yagura's didn't. The obly one with peoven genjutsu resistance as a perfect jin is Bee.

 

[Mellanoma]

What are you talking about? the seal has been undone since chapter

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There's no need for input from naruto when it comes to kurama disturbing his chakra, since there's

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.

We don't know the parameters behind yagura and isobu's control.There's a lot of plot line continuity errors when it comes to blood mist.

Be that as it may it doesnt change the point: The parter method breaks genjutsu for perfect jins. And as seen kurama was unaffected by the genjutsu therefore he should have broken it.

So what does that prove?

They're clearly different in application Naruto wouldn't have a chakra mode but a bodily transformation like Gyuki and Bee. Anyway the only perfect Jin who has genjutsu immunity and feats are Gyuki and Bee. Even to let Kurama out Naruro must also undo the seal Bee doesn't for Gyuki.

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Here we have another perfect jin who became the bitch of genjutsu.

I made a thread about this long time ago but you both are sort of right.

If you look at each perfect jin (Bee,Yagura,Naruto) you notice they all have different perks.

Yagura controls his beast completely MEANING if you control Yagura you ultimately control the beast

Bee and Gyuki have a 100% physical and mental link that allows them to work together 100% (Tentacles/TBB) etc meaning they are completely in sync.

Naruto and Kurama have a relationship sort of in the middle where Kurama allows Naruto to control his chakra completely but doesn't seem to have a physical manifestation capabilities.

This means in reference to Genjutsu:

Yagura is most vulnenable
Bee is most likely to break it
Naruto is most resistant but may have issues breaking since their chakra is linked

 

[salamander uchiha]

I made a thread about this long time ago but you both are sort of right.

If you look at each perfect jin (Bee,Yagura,Naruto) you notice they all have different perks.

Yagura controls his beast completely MEANING if you control Yagura you ultimately control the beast

Bee and Gyuki have a 100% physical and mental link that allows them to work together 100% (Tentacles/TBB) etc meaning they are completely in sync.

Naruto and Kurama have a relationship sort of in the middle where Kurama allows Naruto to control his chakra completely but doesn't seem to have a physical manifestation capabilities.

This means in reference to Genjutsu:

Yagura is most vulnenable
Bee is most likely to break it
Naruto is most resistant but may have issues breaking since their chakra is linked

While your post makes sense somewhat the most resistance goes to Bee and Gyuki. Naruto doesn't really have that perk although he "may" have more resistance than Yagura.

 

[Mellanoma]

While your post makes sense somewhat the most resistance goes to Bee and Gyuki. Naruto doesn't really have that perk although he "may" have more resistance than Yagura.

Naruto and kurama are more resistant due to the amount and merging of their chakra. Meaning they are More resistant to lower genjutsu but vulnerable to high end genjutsu

bee and gyuki are more vulnerable to all types of genjutsu however they immediately know whem bee is trapped due to synced chakra instead of linked chakra

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I'll repeat this:

So what does that prove?

They're clearly different in application Naruto wouldn't have a chakra mode but a bodily transformation like Gyuki and Bee. Anyway the only perfect Jin who has genjutsu immunity and feats are Gyuki and Bee. Even to let Kurama out Naruro must also undo the seal Bee doesn't for Gyuki.

Spoiler

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Here we have another perfect jin who became the bitch of genjutsu.

And I'll raise you this:

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Naruto is undoing the seal again

Not that it matters his method of perfection makes no difference just as Yagura's didn't. The obly one with peoven genjutsu resistance as a perfect jin is Bee.

he's already in bijuu mode he isn't undoing any seal -_-

why are you making up shit now, tired of dealing with your troll ass.

 

[Icelerate]

So? Until she can do it without physically moving then shes assed out.

So Sakura can't break Kurenai's genjutsu once the tree sprouts and she gets paralysed? She should be able to break it before that happens though, when Kurenai is still invisible but Sakura can still move freely.

Wow, I thought you were smarter. She broke a genjutsu that both Naruto(perfect jin) and Hinata(Hyuuga) failed to dispel. Despite her genjutsu affinity and all of her chakra control, which you think would save the Hyuugas, she still has to focus & channel her chakra through hand seals. I'm saying that this is another aspect to breaking genjutsu that not all Hyugas will have ease overcoming. A Hyuuga's ability to pump chakra out all of their tenketsu does not seem to be a saving grace in this scenario if we consider someone like Sakura, who doesn't need hand seals to expel a large amount of her chakra from her hands, which effectively results in the same result- a quick dip in the user's circulating chakra, needs to perform these physical movements.


It's questionable if sending chakra throughout your tenketsu doesn't qualify as a physical retraction of some sort as well. It's also questionable if genjutsu is limited to inhibiting only the physical as we understand the basis of it is screwing with minds, which aligns with spirituality and the innerness that chakra finds itself.

Well Kurenai did manage to break it despite not using handseals.