[Theory] Tiers Level One Piece Theory

[kiiro]

Hello Base.

This is how I see the power levels in One Piece. If Marines had an Bounty to determine their strength, I would explain this.

I think that a Pirate King level does not exist. Rayleigh said that Roger became known as the Pirate King after he conquer the oceans. And the Yonkous are doing that. It is not like there is a new tier with a big margin between Yonkou and King Pirate.

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Yonkou Level >> Admiral Level

Gorosei acknowledge that Teach already started to makes his moves and conquer the seat of Yonkou and that only Yonkous could stop him, or maybe Marco with all the Whitebeard crew.

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But we also know that Marco suffered a very sorrowful defeat from Robin

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So Marco who was fighting Admirals in the Marineford War, lost to Teach, who was approaching Yonkou Level. Marco did not only lost, Robin stated he overwhelming lost. Like, if it was not even a battle and Marco needed to hide.

There is many example for this to prove Yonkou > Admiral. Now, as we have seen, first Yonkou Commander can put a fight to an Admiral or maybe even win as Doflamingo stated he was gonna take down Fujitora so they are near the same level.

If the Marines cant take down a Yonkou with their 4 Admirals, then that would make a Yonkou stronger than 4 Admirals.

So this is how I see it:

Yonkou: > 5 Billion Berries
Admiral: > 1 Billion Berries & < 2 Billion Berries
1st Yonkou Commander: > 1 Billion Berries & < 2 Billion Berries

And lower tiers would be Shichibukai and lower Yonkou Commanders. The shichibukai dont have a clear power level. But we know that their job is to beat pirates in the Grand Line and also need to have great influence over pirates. All the Shichibukai are level 6 of Impel down, even Crocodile who only had 80 million froze Bounty and as seen, in level 6 are Pirate with a bounty higher than 400 millioon or even 500 million berriers.

The Shichibukai could be consider yonkou commander levels, be it the highest or the lowest but yonkou commander level. For example Snack had a 600 million bounty while Ace had 550. So it would be like this

Shichibukai: > 500 Million Berries & < 1.5 Billion Berries (Buggy is an exception)
Yonkou Commanders: > 500 Million Berries & < 1.5 Billion Berries (Buggy is an exception)


With this we can also confirm that Yonkou Crew = MQ + 7 Shichibukai. If the admirals would fight the Yonkou, then the Warlords will fight the commanders.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

>Yonkou First Mate gets you 1 billion bounty
>Warlords get you 100 million bounty
>Regular notorious pirates gets you like 30,000 bounty

I don't know what a Yonkou would get you but both Luffy and Blackbeard had to beat Yonkou First Mates in order to gain the position of Yonkou status.

edit: You might be right that there isn't a Pirate King level because Rogers stalemated a prime whitebeard, but Admirals are above First Mates and Warlords in power. Doflamingo would never stand a chance against a Admiral in a fight and he still remains to be Warlord level like all the other commanders like Jozu, Cracker, Snack, Ace, Vista, Smoothie, and possibly Jack. Commander who hold the 2,3,4, and sometimes 5th seat can hang in there with all the base Warlord level people. Any commander at or below the 5th commander seat are a lot weaker.

 

[kiiro]

>Yonkou First Mate gets you 1 billion bounty
>Warlords get you 100 million bounty
>Regular notorious pirates gets you like 30,000 bounty

I don't know what a Yonkou would get you but both Luffy and Blackbeard had to beat Yonkou First Mates in order to gain the position of Yonkou status.

edit: You might be right that there isn't a Pirate King level because Rogers stalemated a prime whitebeard, but Admirals are above First Mates and Warlords in power. Doflamingo would never stand a chance against a Admiral in a fight and he still remains to be Warlord level like all the other commanders like Jozu, Cracker, Snack, Ace, Vista, Smoothie, and possibly Jack. Commander who hold the 2,3,4, and sometimes 5th seat can hang in there with all the base Warlord level people. Any commander at or below the 5th commander seat are a lot weaker.

As I posted the picture. Gorosei already said that only yonkou could take down Teach, not even the admirals. We have 3 admirals and the fleet admiral. We can asume at least that Yonkou would be 4 admirals level. Luffy did not even move Big Mom with his Kong Gun that could send flying Katakuri and Doflamingo. And Luffy did not only defeated Big Mom Commanders, he destroyed her place with half his crew and that was also one of the reasons he is consider to be yonkou.

And warlords dont give you 100 million bounty. Impel Down level 5 have pirate of 100 bounty. Even Moriah, the weakest warlord, meant to be killed by Doflamingo was beating the stawhats. Level 6 of impel down is a secret level that all the shichibukais has been place their, even Crocodile the Warlor with the lowest frozen bounty. Jimbei when he left the warlord seat had 400 million berrries.

So warlord would be above 400 million with no limit. I think that Doflamingo can give fight to an admiral and even win. But that is my opinion, Cracker wont defeat him.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

i can see pirate king bounty being infinite in others word a lifetime of money. like cmon if you take down a king (in itself is impossible in the OP-V) that man/woman deserves to gets to have thier wish granted. the pirate king is the one persion that stands above everyone else.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

As I posted the picture. Gorosei already said that only yonkou could take down Teach, not even the admirals. We have 3 admirals and the fleet admiral. We can asume at least that Yonkou would be 4 admirals level. Luffy did not even move Big Mom with his Kong Gun that could send flying Katakuri and Doflamingo. And Luffy did not only defeated Big Mom Commanders, he destroyed her place with half his crew and that was also one of the reasons he is consider to be yonkou.

Dogtooth was sent flying through some pillars and Cracker went through some tries, but only BounceMan was able to send Doflamingo flying across half of the entire island. Still, I thought the Goroseis were specifically talking about the Pirates fighting for their rankings and not the military.
If you think that 4 admirals= 1 Yonkou, then how many Admirals equals 1 Yonkou FM?

And warlords dont give you 100 million bounty. Impel Down level 5 have pirate of 100 bounty. Even Moriah, the weakest warlord, meant to be killed by Doflamingo was beating the stawhats. Level 6 of impel down is a secret level that all the shichibukais has been place their, even Crocodile the Warlor with the lowest frozen bounty. Jimbei when he left the warlord seat had 400 million berrries.

This is bold part is wrong. When luffy beat Crocodile his bounty went up to 100 million bounty, after he beat Gekko Moriah his bounty went from 300 million to 400 million, and after he defeated Doflamingo his bounty went up another 100+ to 500 million.
The Warlords bounties themselves remain inconsistent but to defeat them their reward is the same. Remember that Crocodile's bounty is the same as Boa Hancock, but the power tier influence is still the same as always:

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The reason why the Warlords sit on the Impel 6 down level is because the impel down goes by the threat/power level of each individual pirate. Even Ace falls underneath that level too.

So warlord would be above 400 million with no limit. I think that Doflamingo can give fight to an admiral and even win. But that is my opinion, Cracker wont defeat him.

Kuma has a bounty of 296 million and Jimbei had a bounty of 250 million before he quite the warlords so having 400 million is not mandatory of being a Warlord.
I'm not sure why you think Doflamingo can hang around an Admiral especially when Akoiji already one-shot Doflamingo. Cracker without a doubt would beat Doflamingo becaue Cracker's Hard biscuit buso haki can block G4 Luffy's BounceMan haki while Doflamingo's haki was too weak to fight against BounceMan's haki. Doflamingo lost to BounceMan while Cracker beat BounceMan.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

No. No. No. And no. First, I do not like the fact that you are implicating that Marco is the equivalent to an Admiral when he couldn't faze a single one and that the only reason he went unfazed is because he revives & heals. Second, Marco's crushing defeat against Blackbeard wasn't a 1v1, so you can't even use it to propel the idea that an Admiral would suffer the same fate in a 1v1 with a Yonko. Marco's battle with Blackbeard was an all out war between their commanders and fodders. Why do I mention this? Because Whitebeard's commanders were utter trash, Akainu took on a whole group of them alone and that itself proves the plain title "Yonko Commander" shouldn't be as broad as you think with that many scrubs. That fact busts your whole scaling in the lower tiers where you equate the plain commanders to Shichibukai, which has members who you think can 1v1 admirals.

I'm just going to leave this scan now. With multiple of his higher ranking members, Blackbeard runs from Akainu.

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Am I to assume that means Blackbeard, who, due to striking out Ace and gaining tremor, should've been 1.5 Bil or higher according to your equations, cannot beat Akainu(2 Bil) with multiple of his would-be High Level Commanders(1.5 Bil - 1 Bil)? Or do you just put Blackbeard that low despite all(scarring Shanks, defeating Ace, taking the Gura Gura) that he had going for him?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

It's funny seeing people compare a non-yonou blackbeard to an actual yonkou blackbeard, as if we didn't just see that same non-yonkou Blackbeard run away from Shanks after openly admitting that he is not ready. :lol

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

It's funny seeing people compare a non-yonou blackbeard to an actual yonkou blackbeard, as if we didn't just see that same non-yonkou Blackbeard run away from Shanks after openly admitting that he is not ready. :lol

No you nitwit, I compared Non-Yonko Blackbeard to High Tier 1st Yonko Commander Level(1.5 Bil) and placed him and his whole squad against Akainu(who should be 2 Bil according to OP's equation). That matchup would've been something like if 2 admirals(1.5 Bil and 1~~ Bil) took on a High Tier Admiral(2 Bil). That is VERY clear proof that Marco shouldn't be 1v1ing admirals as OP believes. I don't even have to believe half of what I say to begin with, I just have to make OP's scaling look as ridiculous as possible by strictly using its boundaries.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

No you nitwit, I compared Non-Yonko Blackbeard to High Tier 1st Yonko Commander Level(1.5 Bil) and placed him and his whole squad against Akainu(who should be 2 Bil according to OP's equation). That matchup would've been something like if 2 admirals(1.5 Bil and 1~~ Bil) took on a High Tier Admiral(2 Bil). That is VERY clear proof that Marco shouldn't be 1v1ing admirals as OP believes. I don't even have to believe half of what I say to begin with, I just have to make OP's scaling look as ridiculous as possible by strictly using its boundaries.

There is no high tier commander you moron. The First Mate of a Yonkou such as Marco and Dogtooth is on a level that could fight an Admiral to a high diff fight. Op's math maybe way off but with the amount of support that each of them have should be able to give an admiral some problems.
Why else would the Marines send an Admiral with several other naval soldiers to go after the Blackbeard's crew? You're making it seem like a Yonkou FM and an Admiral are too far apart in strength that they would need a whole fleet of commanders to aid them against one admiral in an all out fight.

Just so you know the same Blackkbeard that retreated in the war is not on the same level as the Blackbeard that beat Marco. Blackbeard didn't have the Gura powers under control, so he didn't use that power frequently until later on off panel in which he developed time. There's also the factor that Teech may of absorbed more devil fruit powers before taking on Marco too.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

There is no high tier commander you moron. The First Mate of a Yonkou such as Marco and Dogtooth is on a level that could fight an Admiral to a high diff fight. Op's math maybe way off but with the amount of support that each of them have should be able to give an admiral some problems.
Why else would the Marines send an Admiral with several other naval soldiers to go after the Blackbeard's crew? You're making it seem like a Yonkou FM and an Admiral are too far apart in strength that they would need a whole fleet of commanders to aid them against one admiral in an all out fight.

Just so you know the same Blackkbeard that retreated in the war is not on the same level as the Blackbeard that beat Marco. Blackbeard didn't have the Gura powers under control, so he didn't use that power frequently until later on off panel in which he developed time. There's also the factor that Teech may of absorbed more devil fruit powers before taking on Marco too.

@Bold, Boy, you are one dense ass muthafucka. Yonko Commander scaled from 500 mil to 1.5 Billion, so yes, there is a high end and a low end. Do you know what a tier is?

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I messed up with the assumption that Marco would've been 1.5 Bil though. OP's equations could still work if we just assume Marco, as a 2 Bil First Yonko Commander, would send Blackbeard back home like Akainu. Though doing that would create holes in what you're arguing. If I'm going to assume Marco(2 Bil) can send back Blackbeard and co(1.5 Bil+ 1~~ Bil), I must assume that the gaps posed are actually that, @Red, far apart if a difference of 1 Bil and 1.5 Bil or 1.5 Bil and 2 Bil arises.

@Blue, because the next best alternative would be to send a vice-admiral and all but one of those have proven to be certified scrubs. It also probably had to do with the gravity of obtaining Bonney(read the scan, Akainu got shivers), just as they sent Kizaru and Pacifists to stomp out rookies because a Celestial Dragon was attacked.

@Last segment, you read what I wrote, so why do you think it's necessary to even write this out? I was never under the impression that pre-timeskip Blackbeard is Yonko level and you actually commented on the fact that I called him High Tier Yonko Commander Level, which is leagues below.

 

[kiiro]

Dogtooth was sent flying through some pillars and Cracker went through some tries, but only BounceMan was able to send Doflamingo flying across half of the entire island. Still, I thought the Goroseis were specifically talking about the Pirates fighting for their rankings and not the military.
If you think that 4 admirals= 1 Yonkou, then how many Admirals equals 1 Yonkou FM?

1 Yonkou FM? What is that? First mate? If yes, then that is why I said that it could be above 1 billion to 2 billion for Admirals and First Commander. As Jack which I think he is 3rd commander, has already 1 billion so it could be higher.

This is bold part is wrong. When luffy beat Crocodile his bounty went up to 100 million bounty, after he beat Gekko Moriah his bounty went from 300 million to 400 million, and after he defeated Doflamingo his bounty went up another 100+ to 500 million.
The Warlords bounties themselves remain inconsistent but to defeat them their reward is the same. Remember that Crocodile's bounty is the same as Boa Hancock, but the power tier influence is still the same as always:

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The reason why the Warlords sit on the Impel 6 down level is because the impel down goes by the threat/power level of each individual pirate. Even Ace falls underneath that level too.

Well Ace already have 550 million bounty which is very high if not one of the highest before time skip. Jimbei when he left the Warlord seat his bounty was 400. Crocodile was also fighting everyone in war, even Akainu so I think he is at least Jimbei's level.

I get you, so you are saying that each time you defeat a warlord, you will have a +100 million more bounty? What that also be if you defeat Mihawk? I really dont think that. We know that Luffy did not beat Crocodile in a straight fight, he used water and blood (which is kind of stupid) but that Luffy was very far away from what Crocodile could do. And for that reason they gave him that bounty IMO.

Defeating Doflamingo was an extra 100 million berries, then why did Law only have 60 million more? This just proves you wrong. The marines not only gives you an increase for beating someone, I think they also consider how was the battle. If I am not wrong. Oda said in a SPS (dont know what it means) that Crocodile, just because the fact he was the boss of Baroque Works he would have a 162 million bounty, but just because he was the boss, not because he revealed his true power. Each time Luffy has defeated a Warlord had a certain help, but when he defeated Cracker and Katakuri alone (Nami does not count) his bounty did not have a small increase but a big one due the fact he did it alone and showed his power. I dont think that Doflamingo would be less than 500 million threat to give Luffy that bounty. We need to consider the circunstancies and indeed Moriah was the weakest.

Kuma has a bounty of 296 million and Jimbei had a bounty of 250 million before he quite the warlords so having 400 million is not mandatory of being a Warlord.
I'm not sure why you think Doflamingo can hang around an Admiral especially when Akoiji already one-shot Doflamingo. Cracker without a doubt would beat Doflamingo becaue Cracker's Hard biscuit buso haki can block G4 Luffy's BounceMan haki while Doflamingo's haki was too weak to fight against BounceMan's haki. Doflamingo lost to BounceMan while Cracker beat BounceMan.

For that reason it is called frozen bounty. Even Buggy was consider Warlord but just froze his bounty as how he was, not the level of threat they consider him when they made him Warlord. For example, we know that Luffy in Dressora was worth a Billion Berries Threat yet had 500 million, if the marines made him a warlord they wont froze his bounty in 1 billion but in 500 million. That is why Kuma and Moriah had lower bounties.

And you need to read again Cracker vs Luffy. He never defeat Bound Man, never. And Aokji one shotted him? Just as Whitebeard?

 

[kiiro]

No. No. No. And no. First, I do not like the fact that you are implicating that Marco is the equivalent to an Admiral when he couldn't faze a single one and that the only reason he went unfazed is because he revives & heals. Second, Marco's crushing defeat against Blackbeard wasn't a 1v1, so you can't even use it to propel the idea that an Admiral would suffer the same fate in a 1v1 with a Yonko. Marco's battle with Blackbeard was an all out war between their commanders and fodders. Why do I mention this? Because Whitebeard's commanders were utter trash, Akainu took on a whole group of them alone and that itself proves the plain title "Yonko Commander" shouldn't be as broad as you think with that many scrubs. That fact busts your whole scaling in the lower tiers where you equate the plain commanders to Shichibukai, which has members who you think can 1v1 admirals.

I'm just going to leave this scan now. With multiple of his higher ranking members, Blackbeard runs from Akainu.

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Am I to assume that means Blackbeard, who, due to striking out Ace and gaining tremor, should've been 1.5 Bil or higher according to your equations, cannot beat Akainu(2 Bil) with multiple of his would-be High Level Commanders(1.5 Bil - 1 Bil)? Or do you just put Blackbeard that low despite all(scarring Shanks, defeating Ace, taking the Gura Gura) that he had going for him?

I never said 2nd commande would be higher than 1.5. Ace clearly had 550 million bounty. I said that from 2nd commander to below could have a bounty from 500 million to 1.5 billion since Ace had 550 million.

I know it was not a 1 vs 1 with Blackbeard. But we can say that at least they fought and Marco lost. While all the other crew member of Teachs fought all the other members of Whitebeard crew. And no, they were not fodders, Vista was equal if not a little bit inferior to Mihawk. Marco is indeed strong, he was fighting admirals for real. He did not beat anyone, no one beat anyone, they could fight for hours or even days, the war didnt last that long to have those kind of battle, everyone was trying to save Ace.

Yonkou commander from 2nd to lower could have different levels be it under 1 billion or above like Jack which I think he is third commander already has 1 billion, but at least the first one I think would be a Billion at least. That is what I said.

Read again.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

1 Yonko = 4 Admirals?? And I thought that KOL was a bad powerscaler...

 

[kiiro]

1 Yonko = 4 Admirals?? And I thought that KOL was a bad powerscaler...

Well, according to what Gorosei said. Also, Whitebeard was already old and not in his prime, besides that he was already dying since he was sick and Akainu was getting beated.

 

[Olorin]

aaaaaaaaaaaand the streak of ppl underestimating the admirals to the point of absurdity continues

KOL didnt help with his stupid hyped up shouting either, but so many ppl still hold on to his every word as though his opinion somehow holds more weight than all other op fans, Judge top 5 btw

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

1 Yonkou FM? What is that? First mate? If yes, then that is why I said that it could be above 1 billion to 2 billion for Admirals and First Commander. As Jack which I think he is 3rd commander, has already 1 billion so it could be higher.

Yonkou First Mates have been portrayed to have a 1 billion bounty as far as we know, and all the other commanders have never reached that high before. Maybe we should hold off on Jack for a while then because we don't know his position yet.
So you believe Yonkou First Mate Dogtooth or Marco would beat an Admiral in a 1 v 1 match? Okay then, why do you think that?

Well Ace already have 550 million bounty which is very high if not one of the highest before time skip. Jimbei when he left the Warlord seat his bounty was 400. Crocodile was also fighting everyone in war, even Akainu so I think he is at least Jimbei's level.

I get you, so you are saying that each time you defeat a warlord, you will have a +100 million more bounty? What that also be if you defeat Mihawk? I really dont think that. We know that Luffy did not beat Crocodile in a straight fight, he used water and blood (which is kind of stupid) but that Luffy was very far away from what Crocodile could do. And for that reason they gave him that bounty IMO.

Yes complete agree with you on this one here. As for Mihawk he should be on a different level because he's basically like the Vice Admiral Garp of the Warlord system. Pre-timeskip he and Kuma were the only Warlord pirate to not be captain of his own pirate crew, and Mihawk is the only Warlord to deadlock a Yonkou in a fight. All the other Warlords either worked under a yonkou or got their ass kicked by one in a 1 v 1 match.
Maybe Mihawk is also a billion bounty reward since he's way above Warlord level???

Defeating Doflamingo was an extra 100 million berries, then why did Law only have 60 million more? This just proves you wrong. The marines not only gives you an increase for beating someone, I think they also consider how was the battle. If I am not wrong. Oda said in a SPS (dont know what it means) that Crocodile, just because the fact he was the boss of Baroque Works he would have a 162 million bounty, but just because he was the boss, not because he revealed his true power. Each time Luffy has defeated a Warlord had a certain help, but when he defeated Cracker and Katakuri alone (Nami does not count) his bounty did not have a small increase but a big one due the fact he did it alone and showed his power. I dont think that Doflamingo would be less than 500 million threat to give Luffy that bounty. We need to consider the circunstancies and indeed Moriah was the weakest.

Law was not the one who defeated Doflamingo, that's why he didn't get a +100 million more and only Luffy did. I know that Moriah is the weaker warlord but he's still on that tier group. This is just how the government view their threat level especially when Jimbei noted that Moriah relied too much on other people's powers during this era.
Law gained +60 million for being in an alliance with Luffy.

For that reason it is called frozen bounty. Even Buggy was consider Warlord but just froze his bounty as how he was, not the level of threat they consider him when they made him Warlord. For example, we know that Luffy in Dressora was worth a Billion Berries Threat yet had 500 million, if the marines made him a warlord they wont froze his bounty in 1 billion but in 500 million. That is why Kuma and Moriah had lower bounties.

Buggy shouldn't be in this, only the original 7. We know that Buggy lied to the press about his feats so that's why they viewed him as a threat.
Don't forget that your bounty threat level goes up by association like little feeble Nico Robin's bounty was 79 million at the age of 8 because she was an Ohara Scholar survival. Same logic applies to Buggy, he gained Warlord title/threat by being on the Pirate King's crew and he is Yonkou Red Haired Shanks' blood brother.

And you need to read again Cracker vs Luffy. He never defeat Bound Man, never. And Aokji one shotted him? Just as Whitebeard?

No you need to read the manga again because Cracker beat BounceMan but he lost to TankMan. Aokiji one shot Dofy in Punk Hazard but he did not one shot Whitebeard because Aokiji admitted that it is too difficult to freeze vibrations.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Absurdity aside, Gorosei were talking about PIRATES who could stop BB. Your claims about what they meant is countered by the fact that BB with his crew ran away from Akainu, with BB himself saying he wasn't ready for it. All this AFTER the Gorosei's conversation.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

@Bold, Boy, you are one dense ass muthafucka. Yonko Commander scaled from 500 mil to 1.5 Billion, so yes, there is a high end and a low end. Do you know what a tier is?

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:lol Kid your a really dumbass if you think a commander is in the same scale as the First Mate. There's a reason why when Luffy beat Dogtooth he was given a yonkou position, and there is a reason why when Blackbeard defeated Marco that he was also given the vacant Yonkou position. If you think beating any commander would give you a Yonko position then Blackbeard would've been the 5th Yonko the moment he kicked Ace's ass and handed them to the government.
You better cut out that stupidity logic you have going on there. THERE IS NO COMMANDER TIER LEVEL.

I messed up with the assumption that Marco would've been 1.5 Bil though. OP's equations could still work if we just assume Marco, as a 2 Bil First Yonko Commander, would send Blackbeard back home like Akainu. Though doing that would create holes in what you're arguing. If I'm going to assume Marco(2 Bil) can send back Blackbeard and co(1.5 Bil+ 1~~ Bil), I must assume that the gaps posed are actually that, @Red, far apart if a difference of 1 Bil and 1.5 Bil or 1.5 Bil and 2 Bil arises.

1. Well one I don't think that Marco has 2 billion belli because Luffy with 1.5 is already in a higher position than Marco and Dogtooth who's a first mate of a Yonkou is in the same position as Marco.

2. When BB first left the marineford he was already speculated by Gorosei that Marco should be able to take him down and so can the other Yonkous. And this is why I laughed at you earlier, Blackbeard never took down Marco or at least assumed to have the power to take down Marco when Akainu was sent to go after him.

@Blue, because the next best alternative would be to send a vice-admiral and all but one of those have proven to be certified scrubs. It also probably had to do with the gravity of obtaining Bonney(read the scan, Akainu got shivers), just as they sent Kizaru and Pacifists to stomp out rookies because a Celestial Dragon was attacked.

@Bold means absolutely nothing. Sending a Vice amdiral would not be the best alternative because they would get their asses handed to them. Akainu came with an army of men because he wouldn't be able to take on the crew alone, plain and simple.
When Aokiji was sent to get Nico Robin from the straw hat crew, he went there alone with no help or back up. So when an officer goes alone, that means he can obviously handle the problem. Kizaru came with an army to a Pirate Park because the Dark King was there. Do remember that initially Garp was suppose to be sent to Sabaody island instead of Kizaru?

@Last segment, you read what I wrote, so why do you think it's necessary to even write this out? I was never under the impression that pre-timeskip Blackbeard is Yonko level and you actually commented on the fact that I called him High Tier Yonko Commander Level, which is leagues below.

Pre timeskip Blackbeard is still the man that defeated Marco before the two year span. My impression of Blackbeard before becoming a Yonkou is that he started off in Mocktown as Yonkou First Mate level.
@bold there is no such thing as Yonko high tier commander, that's just rubbish.

1.You're either First Mate Yonko level ←Beating them grants you Yonko position
2.Or you're either Warlord level← Ace a second division commander was given a warlord seat, stalemated one, and gave BB a warlord seat. Defeating Doflamingo a Warlord would require her 3rd commander Cracker to deal with the opposing threat by Big mam's logic

You don't tell me that Dogtooth, Jozu, and Curiel are both in the same level group because that's just outight stupidity.

 

[kiiro]

Absurdity aside, Gorosei were talking about PIRATES who could stop BB. Your claims about what they meant is countered by the fact that BB with his crew ran away from Akainu, with BB himself saying he wasn't ready for it. All this AFTER the Gorosei's conversation.

Where did they said only Pirate? Why would they expect a Pirate do their job?

Teach ran from Akainu when he was not Yonkou level. In fact, the 2 years of time skip has not even pass yet. That same also said he was not prepared for Shanks. But you are right that Gorosei said that one chapter before Teach ran from Akainu but you must remember that he was not there to fight but to take a ship with no fighting delivering the pirate girl.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

:lol Kid your a really dumbass if you think a commander is in the same scale as the First Mate. There's a reason why when Luffy beat Dogtooth he was given a yonkou position, and there is a reason why when Blackbeard defeated Marco that he was also given the vacant Yonkou position. If you think beating any commander would give you a Yonko position then Blackbeard would've been the 5th Yonko the moment he kicked Ace's ass and handed them to the government.
You better cut out that stupidity logic you have going on there. THERE IS NO COMMANDER TIER LEVEL.

1. Well one I don't think that Marco has 2 billion belli because Luffy with 1.5 is already in a higher position than Marco and Dogtooth who's a first mate of a Yonkou is in the same position as Marco.

2. When BB first left the marineford he was already speculated by Gorosei that Marco should be able to take him down and so can the other Yonkous. And this is why I laughed at you earlier, Blackbeard never took down Marco or at least assumed to have the power to take down Marco when Akainu was sent to go after him.


@Bold means absolutely nothing. Sending a Vice amdiral would not be the best alternative because they would get their asses handed to them. Akainu came with an army of men because he wouldn't be able to take on the crew alone, plain and simple.
When Aokiji was sent to get Nico Robin from the straw hat crew, he went there alone with no help or back up. So when an officer goes alone, that means he can obviously handle the problem. Kizaru came with an army to a Pirate Park because the Dark King was there. Do remember that initially Garp was suppose to be sent to Sabaody island instead of Kizaru?

Pre timeskip Blackbeard is still the man that defeated Marco before the two year span. My impression of Blackbeard before becoming a Yonkou is that he started off in Mocktown as Yonkou First Mate level.
@bold there is no such thing as Yonko high tier commander, that's just rubbish.

1.You're either First Mate Yonko level ←Beating them grants you Yonko position
2.Or you're either Warlord level← Ace a second division commander was given a warlord seat, stalemated one, and gave BB a warlord seat. Defeating Doflamingo a Warlord would require her 3rd commander Cracker to deal with the opposing threat by Big mam's logic

You don't tell me that Dogtooth, Jozu, and Curiel are both in the same level group because that's just outight stupidity.

Get imaginative Rikidough. Literally everything you're saying can be held against you in the worst ways and you should've realized it as you wrote. Reread your entire first chunk. It clashes with what OP established, which I just finished ridiculing, so I'm in agreement. THERE IS NO YONKO COMMANDER LEVEL, but look at the OP and see what literally says "Yonko Commander" level at the bottom of the text. It was just two posts ago that I was telling you I don't necessarily have to believe half of what I'm saying but come to ridiculous conclusions from the OP, which you're attempting to bust my balls for doing.

1. Then what's so special about Blackbeard beating Marco? Does this mean I can assume Marco wouldn't send Blackbeard running with his tail between his legs? This would mean Marco isn't 2 Billion and is no longer on equal footing with Akainu who is still 2 Billion to me. If Marco isn't 2 Billion, could I assume Blackbeard's 1.5 Billion and suction powers may have already been enough to let him beat Marco?

2. And what do you think they knew of Blackbeard? Shanks himself already established that Blackbeard has always laid low. They've seen nothing from Blackbeard prior to taking WB's fruit.

4th chunk, NO SHIT. Thanks for grasping the fact that an admiral was the only thing they could've possibly sent at Blackbeard aside from Shichibukai. Vice admirals would've gotten pawned, so you should understand that, at best, this means Blackbeard was seen either between Barto's(he beat a VA) level all the way up to a who knows. Again, this does nothing to disregard the gravity of the situation, which unmistakably contributed to an admiral being sent. @ that Kizaru and Dark King bit, wrong, wrong, wrong. They had no idea the Dark King was there. In fact, they sent an admiral out 100% because of the fact that a Celestial Dragon got hit and Garp is viewed no worse than Kizaru. Honestly, Garp may be viewed as stronger than Kizaru.

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@ 5th chunk, I agree. But there is a High Tier Yonko Commander Level according to OP's scaling. Maybe you're just taking everything I'm saying at face value or something? The rank FM would place BB somewhere from

1st Yonkou Commander: > 1 Billion Berries & < 2 Billion Berries

and I just put him smack dead in the middle with 1.5.


1. You have no nuance and have lost my interest.
2. I don't care.

@ Very last sentence, you dumb motherfucker.. You just finished denying that the only thing distinguishing them, inner tiers within tiers, doesn't exist. READ THE OP. First Commander Level(1 Billion to 2 Billion) overlaps with Commander Level(500 Million to 1.5 Billion). They're all in one group to some extent. You can reply, and I'll read it, but don't expect a response since this entire thing is becoming muddied with disjointed segments and would eventually require us to discuss a slew of characters to pin them down with an arbitrary number. Ultimately, I'm not interested in arguing what you think the scaling should look like, but against what the OP says.