[Discussion] 3 new general theory?

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Do you guys still think this is going to happen? We got Fuji to replace Aokiji and Green Bull to replace Akainu but does it make a whole lot of sense to intro a whole new character(especially a powerhouse like an Admiral) this late into the game? If they do go forward how do you think Kizaru will be removed?
 

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If kizaru ends up leaving, or retiring , I think oda will introduce a new admiral... but he will be the one to be the next fleet admiral, so it would be okay for him to be introduced late
 

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If kizaru ends up leaving, or retiring , I think oda will introduce a new admiral... but he will be the one to be the next fleet admiral, so it would be okay for him to be introduced late
Akainu's already fleet admiral so he'd be bumped down back to Admiral? I don't know that I see Kizaru leaving at this point in the story tbh. If any Admiral left I feel it'd be Fuji since he has the least time in and seems to have the most opposing nature to the WG of the Admirals.
 

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Akainu's already fleet admiral so he'd be bumped down back to Admiral? I don't know that I see Kizaru leaving at this point in the story tbh. If any Admiral left I feel it'd be Fuji since he has the least time in and seems to have the most opposing nature to the WG of the Admirals.
No after akainu resides, and you're right about fuji bit kizaru is getting old :(
 

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Green bull is an admiral
right, and...? That leaves 1 new Admiral to come into the story according to the old idea that the 3 Admirals from pre skip would be replaced. I'm asking if you think this will still happen and Kizaru will be replaced and if so how will he lose his seat, will it be through defeat, demotion or departure like Aokiji.
 

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right, and...? That leaves 1 new Admiral to come into the story according to the old idea that the 3 Admirals from pre skip would be replaced. I'm asking if you think this will still happen and Kizaru will be replaced and if so how will he lose his seat, will it be through defeat, demotion or departure like Aokiji.
None of those, he will just retire. Just like sengoku.
 

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Why would Kizaru be removed? I don't really understand the premise of this thread to be honest.
So people like smoker and coby can move up? Have you not read one piece? There will be new yonko eventually like luffy and eventually law etc

So why would there not be new admirals? Answer that?
 
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Why would Kizaru be removed? I don't really understand the premise of this thread to be honest.
Because of the new general theory people had that the first 3 Admirals would be replaced with Admirals wearing secondary colors(purple green and orange) We've gotten 2 of the 3 so I wondered if people still thought the 3rd would come at this point and if so what reason would Oda have for replacing Kizaru or if Oda would just stick with Kizaru. I didn't think the question was all that confusing tbh.
 

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I think no new admirals will be added to the existing set till the end of the story. But Oda did leave a little hint I believe. It's clear that Akainu, kizaru and Aokiji are 'old navy'. Akainu likes to continue his mindset, Kizaru follows and Kuzan disagreed. They will all play their own little part to solve that power struggle later on. But to fill the two spots they got Fujitora and Ryokugyu.

Just reducing this to colors we had: red dog, blue pheasant and yellow monkey. No coincidence all primary colors. If you mix those you end up with secondary colors. You end up with purple, green and orange. And Oda cleverly introduced a purple and a green admiral to fill in for the previous two. So at this point we already should expect an orange admiral at some point.

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Not just any marine, but they have to be 'new navy', someone with the mindset of Smoker, Aokiji and Fujitora who still believe in justice but they can also distinguish between good and bad regardless if you're a pirate. So who has that growth, that mindset, and worthy of fulfilling that position to make the story come full circle ? Has to be Coby, maybe fun little detail. Oda already gave him an orange hairband after the timeskip.

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I think no new admirals will be added to the existing set till the end of the story. But Oda did leave a little hint I believe. It's clear that Akainu, kizaru and Aokiji are 'old navy'. Akainu likes to continue his mindset, Kizaru follows and Kuzan disagreed. They will all play their own little part to solve that power struggle later on. But to fill the two spots they got Fujitora and Ryokugyu.

Just reducing this to colors we had: red dog, blue pheasant and yellow monkey. No coincidence all primary colors. If you mix those you end up with secondary colors. You end up with purple, green and orange. And Oda cleverly introduced a purple and a green admiral to fill in for the previous two. So at this point we already should expect an orange admiral at some point.

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Not just any marine, but they have to be 'new navy', someone with the mindset of Smoker, Aokiji and Fujitora who still believe in justice but they can also distinguish between good and bad regardless if you're a pirate. So who has that growth, that mindset, and worthy of fulfilling that position to make the story come full circle ? Has to be Coby, maybe fun little detail. Oda already gave him an orange hairband after the timeskip.

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I just see coby being the generation after luffy

Edit: well wait, how old is coby?
 
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So people like smoker and coby can move up? Have you not read one piece? There will be new yonko eventually like luffy and eventually law etc

So why would there not be new admirals? Answer that?
There also might potentially be 10 pirate kings after Luffy in the future of the OPverse, but that has little relevance to the story at hand, now does it? The admirals aren't immortal, so obviously they will be replaced at one point. However that that happens within the scope of the current plot dynamics is a different matter altogether.

Characters like Garp and Sengoku were the faces of the previous generation and considered themselves to be outdated for the current era. So them stepping down was representative of a generational switch with Akainu being the new face. Currently Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru are around the same ages Garp and Sengoku were when they were butting heads with Roger, with other words they are practically at the zenith of their prowess.

The reason why Akainu isn't an admiral anymore, is because he got promoted. The reason why Aokiji isn't an admiral anymore, is because he couldn't accept Akainu's promotion and left. That doesn't take away though that all of them are still directly relevant to the plot. They just needed some new admirals as one was rather low. It's also true that Akainu and especially Kizaru didn't receive that much character development pre-timeskip. So question is why would any of them have to be changed now by someone else?

Not to mention I think it has never been stated that the number of admirals has to be limited to only three people. So someone getting promoted to the rank of admiral doesn't automatically mean another one is gone. In most instances that's probably the case, but I can imagine that if one particular marine would be that outstanding they would grant the rank either way. Garp was offered multiple times that rank by virtue of his skills and accomplishments. Possible there was a vacancy, but considering they really wanted him, not absolutely necessary.

Yonkou and admirals are different positions. The former are the result of an organic king of the hill-like system that can change at any given time, the latter are well-defined ranks within a complex, hierarchical structure. So they are pretty much the complete opposite of each other. People like to compare them when it comes to battle tier, but outside that they are nothing alike.

Lastly the beliefs of characters like Coby and Smoker don't really line up with Akainu's absolute justice. He once tried to kill Coby. So it's not very credible that they become admirals under his rule and it's not very credible either Akainu will be removed from the story soon.

So questioning what happens to the admirals in an epilogue or after the story is finished, is rather redundant and on short-term it makes not much sense. In the end this entire conception is based upon the idea that because two admirals are not admirals anymore, another one has to change too? That's really not much.

How do I know all of this? Because I read the story, so I think you really need to check for yourself first whether you have read the story before questioning other people.

Because of the new general theory people had that the first 3 Admirals would be replaced with Admirals wearing secondary colors(purple green and orange) We've gotten 2 of the 3 so I wondered if people still thought the 3rd would come at this point and if so what reason would Oda have for replacing Kizaru or if Oda would just stick with Kizaru. I didn't think the question was all that confusing tbh.
As I mentioned before that's practically nothing. Kizaru has had little influence on the story so far and then he's going to be changed purely because there are two new admirals? I think Fujitora isn't even that much younger than Kizaru (if at all).
 

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There also might potentially be 10 pirate kings after Luffy in the future of the OPverse, but that has little relevance to the story at hand, now does it? The admirals aren't immortal, so obviously they will be replaced at one point. However that that happens within the scope of the current plot dynamics is a different matter altogether.
@bold And the original question I posted, so why so worked up about it?

Characters like Garp and Sengoku were the faces of the previous generation and considered themselves to be outdated for the current era. So them stepping down was representative of a generational switch with Akainu being the new face. Currently Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru are around the same ages Garp and Sengoku were when they were butting heads with Roger, with other words they are practically at the zenith of their prowess.

The reason why Akainu isn't an admiral anymore, is because he got promoted. The reason why Aokiji isn't an admiral anymore, is because he couldn't accept Akainu's promotion and left. That doesn't take away though that all of them are still directly relevant to the plot. They just needed some new admirals as one was rather low. It's also true that Akainu and especially Kizaru didn't receive that much character development pre-timeskip. So question is why would any of them have to be changed now by someone else?

Not to mention I think it has never been stated that the number of admirals has to be limited to only three people. So someone getting promoted to the rank of admiral doesn't automatically mean another one is gone. In most instances that's probably the case, but I can imagine that if one particular marine would be that outstanding they would grant the rank either way. Garp was offered multiple times that rank by virtue of his skills and accomplishments. Possible there was a vacancy, but considering they really wanted him, not absolutely necessary.

Yonkou and admirals are different positions. The former are the result of an organic king of the hill-like system that can change at any given time, the latter are well-defined ranks within a complex, hierarchical structure. So they are pretty much the complete opposite of each other. People like to compare them when it comes to battle tier, but outside that they are nothing alike.

Lastly the beliefs of characters like Coby and Smoker don't really line up with Akainu's absolute justice. He once tried to kill Coby. So it's not very credible that they become admirals under his rule and it's not very credible either Akainu will be removed from the story soon.

So questioning what happens to the admirals in an epilogue or after the story is finished, is rather redundant and on short-term it makes not much sense. In the end this entire conception is based upon the idea that because two admirals are not admirals anymore, another one has to change too? That's really not much.

How do I know all of this? Because I read the story, so I think you really need to check for yourself first whether you have read the story before questioning other people.



As I mentioned before that's practically nothing. Kizaru has had little influence on the story so far and then he's going to be changed purely because there are two new admirals? I think Fujitora isn't even that much younger than Kizaru (if at all).
And here I thought you understood what the question was, the question is do you(and fellow readers) still think Oda will switch out the Admirals as most thought before or will he have Kizaru until the end of the story. Seriously I didn't think it was that confusing of a discussion point.
 

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@bold And the original question I posted, so why so worked up about it?



And here I thought you understood what the question was, the question is do you(and fellow readers) still think Oda will switch out the Admirals as most thought before or will he have Kizaru until the end of the story. Seriously I didn't think it was that confusing of a discussion point.
It isn't confusing, you're just not allowed to have opinions when it comes to him, cause he is always right.. But I do think eventually kizaru will leave
 

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Green Bull is none other than Roronoa. His identity is being kept secret by the world government at his own request. His mission is to stay with the straws until they uncover the OP secret, once the secret is revealed he is to execute every single one of his crew mates and bring their severed heads, as trophies back to HQ.
 

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Green Bull is none other than Roronoa. His identity is being kept secret by the world government at his own request. His mission is to stay with the straws until they uncover the OP secret, once the secret is revealed he is to execute every single one of his crew mates and bring their severed heads, as trophies back to HQ.
That would be cool, but I'm sure akainu isn't planning on letting luffy find op
 
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