You're implying it wasn't restored yet cant furnish proof to explain how he was spamming SCJ. SM Naruto at full power can only have a total of 5 clones at best. 3 that're gathering chakra. Take your L or tell us how Naruto at full power couldn't do it yet according to you one with a fraction of his original chakra could.
We don't need baseball examples this is the NV stick to the NV please. Like I said Minato with FTG sneak attack couldn't touch base KB yet somehow manages to get pain. FTG speed blitz is over rated it's only ever worked on fodder no name ninja. Minato would have to get to the Kunai after recovering from the ST shockwave damage if he can(which i doubt) pick it and throw it again, then teleport to it while Pain just stands there.
If you really believe a scenario would play out like that then you need to get your head examined.
Here's what happens:
-Pain ST's the initial FTG.
-Minato/Tobirama throws more within that 5 second window gap closing if not outright shunshin blitzing.
You're implying it wasn't restored yet cant furnish proof to explain how he was spamming SCJ. SM Naruto at full power can only have a total of 5 clones at best. 3 that're gathering chakra. Take your L or tell us how Naruto at full power couldn't do it yet according to you one with a fraction of his original chakra could.:lmwo:
We don't need baseball examples this is the NV stick to the NV please. Like I said Minato with FTG sneak attack couldn't touch base KB yet somehow manages to get pain. FTG speed blitz is over rated it's only ever worked on fodder no name ninja. Minato would have to get to the Kunai after recovering from the ST shockwave damage if he can(which i doubt) pick it and throw it again, then teleport to it while Pain just stands there.
If you really believe a scenario would play out like that then you need to get your head examined.
The MLB was to calculate throwing speed. Super humans can throw at speeds far beyond that.
You're assuming Minato/Tobirama are caught in the ST or don't have Shadow clones setup.
You're basically saying Pain spams ST and blocks everything and that the 5 second window is irrelevant to people to warm time and space. Even if they were to be initially hit by it and have to recover, whose to say it would happen that way again?
Minato already displayed he has multiple FTG kunai, only a idiot would assume he'd throw every single one at Pain all at once.
He figured out Obito's Kamui after one interaction and countered him using one kunai.
The basis of your argument is the same as people saying stupid shit like, "oh all X has to do is stay out of Minato's throwing range"
They're using the SCJ against who? And I asked for proof it's part of their fighting style. Using them as Edo to counter a JJ doesn't help your case. Just as Minato using KCM in a fight against a Jyubi Jin. We have Minato's non Edo fights and Tobirama's non Edo JJ fights and they dont use SCJ. Also they can use SCJ as Edo as part of their fighting style considering they have unlimited chakra not the case if they're Kage.
Tobirama using FTG against Madara as an example and Minato vs Raikage and Obito.
You can continue.. but you'll honestly be wasting your time. A person who outright denies scans and facts established in the manga would not be able to comprehend simple logic.
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And those two don't even scratch the surface of the numerous troll posts.
Why didn't you link the threads there was a lot more detail than that. I gave you too much credit I shouldn't expect much else from a troll/Hinata fan.
It seems intellectual dishonesty is the forte of your ilk.
Dude knows he's got no rebuttal or proof to counter the facts that are there so runs away. Since he knows as Edo's they used jutsu they wouldn't use while they're alive as part of their fighting style, neither have they demonstarted as part of their style while being alive. Forgive me for questioning their fightning style while they have unlinited chakra and regenerating bodies.
Either way I accept your concession dude moreso since you started deflecting.
That was a one time thing, and that is not really a fault that reflects on Minato or his skills at keeping the village safe. Just because a terrorist attack happens doesn't mean that it is the government leader's fault. There was absolutely no way that Minato could have predicted that "Madara" (Obito) would suddenly show up while Kushina was giving birth, and unleash Kurama upon the village.
Besides, by your logic, every hokage struggled with keeping the village safe.
Hashirama/Tobirama's reigns saw the first shinobi world war (in which both died).
Hiruzen's reign saw the 2nd and 3rd war, a genocide, Orochimaru's invasion (in which Hiruzen died), the attempted kidnapping of two little girls (Kushina and Hinata) one of which led to the death of the brother of a clan leader (Hizashi), etc...
Minato's reign saw Obito/Kurama's attack.
Tsunade's reign saw Pain's attack and the 4th great shinobi war (which means that it also saw the juubi, Kaguya and infinite tsukuyomi)
Kakashi's reign nearly saw the world get destroyed by the moon due to Toneri's actions.
Naruto's reign saw Momoshiki's invasion and later it saw the as of yet unknown circumstances behind Konoha's destruction and Boruto vs Kawaki
OT: I'd say Hiruzen. Hiruzen allowed a whole genocide to take place! People like to get on Minato or Tsunade because an attack happened while they were hokage, but neither of those two could have seen said attacks coming or control the fact that they came. Meanwhile, Hiruzen could have prevented the Uchiha massacre. The Uchiha did not have to die. That is why I say that Hiruzen was the worst in that aspect.
Just as you said, those were external things that could not been 100% prevented. But how they managed thing once settle is an other thing. For example I dont know how Hashirama died but for Tobirama he went to a peace treaty to finish the war where it was clear that it was destroying everybody so stopping the war was the best way.
For Hiruzen, well I think he had a bad management. Minato clearly went in the front line for the village. Tsunade did not confront Pain until the final where it was stupid for her to do it. She was in shock and did not know what to do. Kakashi well we dont know much but I think he handle the village good and most part for threats there was Naruto and Sasuke. With Naruto well with Momo, the threat was not on the village but in him so letting him get caught was a good choice.
Hiruzen. He was so brainwashed by the elders and Danzo that so many horrible things happened in his reign as Hokage.
Let's start off with Danzo and Orochimaru. These two are obviously hiding something/dubious.. yet Hiruzen shrugged it off. He was supposed to be so smart, so intuitive like a lot of the Kage in general have been, but he still couldn't see through a fraction of what Danzo and Orochimaru were doing. Either that, or didn't think things would get out of hand. Which is a dumb move.
Not only this, but it appears that out of any other Hokage.. his reign brought the most conflict, isolation, and even war.
Then of course we get to the treatment of Naruto. Which I'm sure was thanks to the elder's input at the time. The way he was treated was horrid. He was just a child who didn't even know about the Kyuubi until he was 12. Totally unaware that he could lose himself at any point to this thing, not only that, but totally unaware as to why he got so much hate. There was no reason to segregate him like that. I know it's mostly for plot, but come on! That's horrible!
And finally we have the Uchiha. Even Tobirama probably wouldn't have gone that far. Plenty of Uchiha for decades had served the Leaf without question. It was only until they were shoved nearly outside the village and given a position that would get them hated/sideline them from real missions that they started to question what was going on and feel betrayed. Instead of hearing them out and fixing the issue, Hiruzen listened to Danzo and the elders that said "nah you know what? let's just get rid of them and not bother". Really? One of the most powerful/THE most powerful clan in the whole village, possibly the world with how they're set up (ok that's arguable).. A clan so powerful that has lent it's men, women, and children to fight for the village for decades and given you the upper hand numerous times in war/missions.. is just going to be tossed into a mass grave? Horrible.
So. Brainwashed. A lot of hate brewing from other villages, lands, and even his own people. Wars/attacks on numerous occasion. S-Ranked criminals allowed to walk around freely. Condoned abuse of a previous Hokage's son. Massacre/genocide of a prominent/crucial clan in the village. Yeah. He's the worst Hokage and I honestly don't see any accomplishments other than hindering Orochimaru for a few years after their fight.
Minato wasn't around enough and paid the ultimate price to keep his people safe and trying his best to allow Naruto the chance to live as a powerful shinobi some day. Which he did. If anything Minato accomplished the most in his short term as Hokage and father.
Tsunade did what she had to do. She started opening the village up a bit more and started the path that would eventually lead to where the world is now in Boruto. Not only that, but she wasn't swayed too easily and did things the way she though they should be done. A true leader. She stood up and fought for her people when she could, even playing a decent role in the 4th war before Naruto and Sasuke arrived full swing. Not the best Hokage ever, but she is one of the best.
I agreed with Hiruzen part but Tsunade really did not make much as you say. She did oppose with the elders but really did not stop them completely, even after the 4th war, Kakashi was immediately Hokage and I doubt it was because Tsunade weakened in the war, she was not that adapt for the position. She was Hokage like for 4 years and that was all she could manage. Kakashi once almost called her stupid for her choices.
I'd give Minato more credit. The dude may have become a wuss later on the series, but in his debut moments he seemed intellectually gifted, more-so than Itachi prior being dwindled to Obito level of intelligence. Based on what we saw of the Minato that could handle a sudden dire situation very calmly and strategically, I would deign to think Pain wouldn't be able to pin him down like he did Naruto. From his fighting style and how he preps for nearly every situation, he would have seals placed practically everywhere, even outside the village, so a few kunai being blown away wouldn't necessarily subdue him. Also, he should be a lot faster than SM Naruto (who seemed to be faster than Pain), so it's most likely Pain gets blitzed. It doesn't seem Pain knows about FTG, so a few planted kunai would wreck him if Minato jumped in with Intel.
Even in the war he was great. He did greater and better feats than the other Hokages. I did not see a stupid side of him in the war, I saw a Minato with some problems in his mind for the past events. And there is no way Pain would have done such destruction with any other Hokage besides Hiruzen maybe.
You'd be wrong, the point I was making was Minato would never be able to engage pain in combat if his kunai are blown away. He can sit outside the village with his bits in hand fondling himself while trying to figure out a way to counter pain while the village gets wrecked.
Pain is faster than SM Naruto, the only reason he seemed slower was because of he was still reeling post shinra tensei. Pain would know about ftg since Minato was famous for his feats, even if there were a few kunai here and there they wouldn't matter. Base Minato has 0 speed feats outside of FTG to boast of so he wouldn't last very long.
The only thing he could do is to try and lure pain away from the village. He doesn't have the chakra reserves to fight a prolonged battle either.
I don't think anybody's denying his intelligence although it's overhyped, he's clearly not level headed or as thoughful as the Soloking (Itachi). He chose to die than rather live on raise his son and protect the village. He could've formulated a plan to counter the mask man and even possibly retrieve the Kyubi if need be.
Your whole post is hatred to Minato, what did he do? Solo your fav?
Bolds in order, bold 1: Trying to figure how to beat Pain? Did he do that when he fought Tobi and Kurama? Like, he has been the only one or some of few to keep cold mind in tragic situations and also some of the few to have plans during battles. He with Itachi are the most intelligents ninjas there is.
Bold 2: O speed feats? Well, I wont argue you with this since any feat I bring would just not be accepted. But it doesnt matter if he has or doesnt, it just doesnt matter. No matter if you consider Minato fast in foot speed or no, that wont change the fact Kishi called him the fastest, being it with FTG or without it, he is just the fastest and would blitz any one besides Juubi Jinchurikis.
Bold 3: Chakra reserves? Sincerely Minato would be like in top 10 users with more chakra in Naruto. He is perfect sage mode and has tons of feats to show his reserves. He at least is at Jiraiya level or even more.
Bold 4: Not denying his intelligence but it is overhyped? So you are denying it already. He lives up to the hype.
I believe that Hiruzen and Tsunade had a bad management and for that reason they had worse situations.
For Hirzuen he was lucky he had Sannins, White Wolf and Minato for the wars otherwise Konoha would have been wiped.
Tsunade should never have been Hokage. It was Kakashi better. She did not have enough power and leadership to control Konoha. She is even a alcoholic and drinks in front of her village, how can they feel secure?
Minato was already stated in his databook that Konoha had a bright future under his lead.
Not even Ai Raikage dare to kidnapped the hyuga while he was alive. He was feared by everyone and for that reason no one would have dare to fight Konoha. But that is also be a reason that Konoha might be targeted by all his enemies, Minato for all the killing he did might be the Ninja with the most enemies but it wont matter since he is a prodigy.
If just Minato was alive, everything would be different. Even he could managed better Momoshiki.
How can Hokage Hashirama deal with it? I mean, he clearly above Tobirama and Minato in your perspective.
What did Tsunade handle? I mean, all what she could do was waste all her chakra just because the fact she did not confront Pain in the frontline.
So you are saying that Minato in Tsunade's place would have been the same?
Just as you said, those were external things that could not been 100% prevented. But how they managed thing once settle is an other thing. For example I dont know how Hashirama died but for Tobirama he went to a peace treaty to finish the war where it was clear that it was destroying everybody so stopping the war was the best way.
For Hiruzen, well I think he had a bad management. Minato clearly went in the front line for the village. Tsunade did not confront Pain until the final where it was stupid for her to do it. She was in shock and did not know what to do. Kakashi well we dont know much but I think he handle the village good and most part for threats there was Naruto and Sasuke. With Naruto well with Momo, the threat was not on the village but in him so letting him get caught was a good choice.
I agreed with Hiruzen part but Tsunade really did not make much as you say. She did oppose with the elders but really did not stop them completely, even after the 4th war, Kakashi was immediately Hokage and I doubt it was because Tsunade weakened in the war, she was not that adapt for the position. She was Hokage like for 4 years and that was all she could manage. Kakashi once almost called her stupid for her choices.
Even in the war he was great. He did greater and better feats than the other Hokages. I did not see a stupid side of him in the war, I saw a Minato with some problems in his mind for the past events. And there is no way Pain would have done such destruction with any other Hokage besides Hiruzen maybe.
Your whole post is hatred to Minato, what did he do? Solo your fav?
Bolds in order, bold 1: Trying to figure how to beat Pain? Did he do that when he fought Tobi and Kurama? Like, he has been the only one or some of few to keep cold mind in tragic situations and also some of the few to have plans during battles. He with Itachi are the most intelligents ninjas there is.
Bold 2: O speed feats? Well, I wont argue you with this since any feat I bring would just not be accepted. But it doesnt matter if he has or doesnt, it just doesnt matter. No matter if you consider Minato fast in foot speed or no, that wont change the fact Kishi called him the fastest, being it with FTG or without it, he is just the fastest and would blitz any one besides Juubi Jinchurikis.
Bold 3: Chakra reserves? Sincerely Minato would be like in top 10 users with more chakra in Naruto. He is perfect sage mode and has tons of feats to show his reserves. He at least is at Jiraiya level or even more.
Bold 4: Not denying his intelligence but it is overhyped? So you are denying it already. He lives up to the hype.
Tsunade fighting Pein and keeping him arc bay would still = dead civilians and destruction it was much smarter that she recovered civilians and ninjas who could defeat the paths.
Tsunade fighting Pein and keeping him arc bay would still = dead civilians and destruction it was much smarter that she recovered civilians and ninjas who could defeat the paths.
Or set up teams in order to take them down instead leaving everything by it self. She could have even made clones. Shinzune died, brother of her lover. She lost more powerful shinobis than in the Kyubi incident when it was more dangerous the Kyubi than Pain IMO.
