[Discussion] Top 5 from the worst generation?

[Uzumaki sensei]

I can't agree there. Cracker was portrayed to be above Snack, and Katakuri was portrayed to above the both of them. Luffy beating not only Cracker, but also Katakuri despite having help against Katakuri should be more than enough to put Luffy above Urouge.

who helped luffy against dogtooth

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

who helped luffy against dogtooth

Typo, I meant Cracker.

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

When and where does it confirm Blackbeard is part of the worst gen. I don’t remember him being part of it. He’s seem like he’d be part of ace/Marco generation

he counted with the supernovas

 

[Punk Hazard]

I understand that, I mentioned that in my post.

However we have to use common sense here. Generally, the weaker guys get beaten before the ultimate final showdown. That's normally how it works. Urougue beat Snack and then Smoothie mentioned how Cracker was sent in after that. You don't send in someone weaker than the guy who got defeated. And then, Katakuri was the final man. We can compare feats, and Katakuri has a higher bounty and more impressive feats. Like I said, in Shonen the weaker guy gets defeated before the ultimate showdown against the strongest man. Luffy prevailed against both of them.

I understand that whole tier thing, but you can't place Urogue above Luffy because he beat Snack when Luffy prevailed against 2 commanders who were placed on a higher pedestal than Snack. Snack was portrayed to be below Cracker, and Luffy beat someone who was stronger than Cracker so him having help against him doesn't negate the fact that he beat someone seemingly stronger than him.

I got about halfway through this when I realized that "You can be weaker but on the same tier."

I said in my post that I'm well aware further details can be revealed to show why I'm wrong, and it was a gut decision, but I put Urouge over Luffy because, as far as we know, he beat someone, on his own, that's a tier above Luffy. The lattermost assertion being based on there being no proof that Snack is a tier below Cracker and Katakuri, who I think Luffy is a tier below.

why put urouge ahead of luffy on the first then dont even list him in the second anyway luffy the strongest supernova of the group

Because the second is End of Series?

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

I got about halfway through this when I realized that "You can be weaker but on the same tier."

I said in my post that I'm well aware further details can be revealed to show why I'm wrong, and it was a gut decision, but I put Urouge over Luffy because, as far as we know, he beat someone, on his own, that's a tier above Luffy. The lattermost assertion being based on there being no proof that Snack is a tier below Cracker and Katakuri, who I think Luffy is a tier below.


Because the second is End of Series?

So you think Urogue beating Snack is more impressive than Luffy beating Katakuri? Would you not agree that Cracker was portrayed on a higher level than Snack?

 

[Big Mom]

So you think Urogue beating Snack is more impressive than Luffy beating Katakuri? Would you not agree that Cracker was portrayed on a higher level than Snack?

Lmao these clowns actually think urouge is > luffy

 

[Punk Hazard]

So you think Urogue beating Snack is more impressive than Luffy beating Katakuri? Would you not agree that Cracker was portrayed on a higher level than Snack?

I think Urouge beating Snack on his own is more impressive than Luffy beating Katakuri because he ran away to live and capitalized on a self-inflected wound.

As for your second question: How Sway? Snack hasn't had any portrayal. As I said before, due to lack of knowing the circumstances, this is a gut feeling.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Lmao these clowns actually think urouge is > luffy

Urouge would beat Luffy senseless.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

I think Urouge beating Snack on his own is more impressive than Luffy beating Katakuri because he ran away to live and capitalized on a self-inflected wound.

As for your second question: How Sway? Snack hasn't had any portrayal. As I said before, due to lack of knowing the circumstances, this is a gut feeling.

Why does that matter how he beat him? Despite that Katakuri was still an incredibly hard opponent to put down. And we can all play the guessing game here, how do we know Snack doesn't have some stupid self exploited weakness and Urouge never capitalized off that? We don't the circumstances surrounding his victory.

If somebody got their ass kicked, you don't send in someone weaker than that person to finish the job. You send in someone stronger to ensure definite victory and not take a chance. Like I said this is Shonen, the weakest guy always falls first. The end of the arc is where the final battle takes place, in this case it was Katakuri vs Luffy. Crocodile, Doflamingo, Arlong, Krieg, Lucci etc... all fell at the end didn't they? This is how it works.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why does that matter how he beat him?

Because that reflects the strength level of Luffy relative to his opponent?

And we can all play the guessing game here, how do we know Snack doesn't have some stupid self exploited weakness and Urouge never capitalized off that? We don't the circumstances surrounding his victory.

I said this already.

If somebody got their ass kicked, you don't send in someone weaker than that person to finish the job. You send in someone stronger to ensure definite victory and not take a chance.

At this point, I'm pretty sure you can't read.

 

[Uverdore9]

Apoo, Luffy etc cera.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

Because that reflects the strength level of Luffy relative to his opponent?



I said this already.



At this point, I'm pretty sure you can't read.

So your only argument for Urogue > Luffy is because that's what your gut tells you. The manga doesn't care about your gut feeling. Luffy > Urogue.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Luffy
Urouge
Drake
Law
Zoro

 

[Punk Hazard]

So your only argument for Urogue > Luffy is because that's what your gut tells you. The manga doesn't care about your gut feeling. Luffy > Urogue.

The manga doesn't say Luffy>Urouge at all. The only indication is that Urouge beat someone who's likely on Katakuri's level while Luffy is below that level. Plain and simple.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

The manga doesn't say Luffy>Urouge at all. The only indication is that Urouge beat someone who's likely on Katakuri's level while Luffy is below that level. Plain and simple.

Prove that he's on his level. Cracker got sent in to whack Urogue which wouldn't of been the case if he was weaker than him or even on his level, do you understand? This is how Shonen works, the strongest man is the last to fall in every arc. Luffy fights the strongest feasible person of every arc as his final battle, I thought we understood this by now. I honestly feel like a parrot right now because you aren't addressing anything, just dancing around and assuming that snack = katakuri and cracker, and assuming that the fight was a normal 1v1 with no influences on the outcome.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Prove that he's on his level.

WHAT PART OF GUT FEELING-

Cracker got sent in to whack Urogue which wouldn't of been the case if he was weaker than him or even on his level, do you understand?

Except Cracker absolutely could be sent to defeat Urouge while being on the same level of Snack. All he has to do is be stronger than Urouge seemed to be. Not to mention that Urouge would likely be super weak after beating Snack, so even if Cracker was weaker, he wouldn't have any problem handling a Urouge who's exhausted.

I honestly feel like a parrot right now because you aren't addressing anything,

Bitch WHAT? I already addressed this: Just because Cracker is stronger than Snack does NOT mean he's on higher level than Snack. You're parroting yourself because, for some reason, you can't get this into your skull.

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

I got about halfway through this when I realized that "You can be weaker but on the same tier."

I said in my post that I'm well aware further details can be revealed to show why I'm wrong, and it was a gut decision, but I put Urouge over Luffy because, as far as we know, he beat someone, on his own, that's a tier above Luffy. The lattermost assertion being based on there being no proof that Snack is a tier below Cracker and Katakuri, who I think Luffy is a tier below.


Because the second is End of Series?

urouge injured snack and he was also injured so i think it was more of a stalemate while luffy beat cracker with help from nami and then dogtooth byhimself who is stronger then both craker and snack

just curious about why he dissappered from the list that all

 

[Punk Hazard]

urouge injured snack and he was also injured so i think it was more of a stalemate while luffy beat cracker with help from nami and then dogtooth byhimself who is stronger then both craker and snack

just curious about why he dissappered from the list that all

Well, while Urouge was also injured, it was said he beat Snack. And it's not quite accurate to say Luffy beat Katakuri by himself. While Luffy won mostly because of his greater endurance, I'm not sure he'd have been able to beat Katakuri without that self-inflicted wound, even if he wasn't wounded as well.

While I think he's stronger than Luffy atm, I don't see him being that strong end of series.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I think Urouge beating Snack on his own is more impressive than Luffy beating Katakuri because he ran away to live and capitalized on a self-inflected wound.

As for your second question: How Sway? Snack hasn't had any portrayal. As I said before, due to lack of knowing the circumstances, this is a gut feeling.

The fact that Snack got demoted after losing to Urouge while Cracker didn't get demoted for losing to Luffy, as shown when a fodder at the beginning of Kata vs Luffy said that Katakuri is the strongest of the 3 Sweet Commanders, suggests that Snack was deemed too weak to be a SC and is therefore not on the same level as Katakuri. Not to mention that Oda treating him like a random background character doesn't help Snack's portrayal.

 

[arv993]

Well, while Urouge was also injured, it was said he beat Snack. And it's not quite accurate to say Luffy beat Katakuri by himself. While Luffy won mostly because of his greater endurance, I'm not sure he'd have been able to beat Katakuri without that self-inflicted wound, even if he wasn't wounded as well.

While I think he's stronger than Luffy atm, I don't see him being that strong end of series.

Haha the most pseudo intellectual debater on B.B. strikes again. Lol snack is on the same level as kata. Yea that’s why all of BM’s subrodinates were shocked that the perfect man was defeated. And he has other intangibles such as a higher bounty while not being destructive and was said to be the strongest of the commanders.