If you are religious, stop cherry-picking science

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Too often I see religious people cite scientific publications with their chests puffed out, so to speak -- as if they're proud that they, a religious person, has shown that they are not incapable of agreeing with science. Too often I see religious people praising science, especially when it comes to medicine and everyday benefits.

It appalls me that these same people dismiss the theory of evolution, for example. They know full-well that evolution is scientific consensus, but they refuse to accept it simply because "my book says it's wrong." Either that, or they try to gather up some rather pathetic and questionable 'scientific' sources to 'prove' it wrong. They're completely fine with accepting a scientific publication that does not challenge their belief system, but as soon as one does, it's immediately invalid and holds no water because "my book says so." How abhorrent. How hypocritical and childish.

Science does not pick and choose. It eliminates bias and presents facts based on evidence and it doesn't care about your beliefs. When a religious person struts around waving their scientific paper with their chin held high, they're completely unaware that they're making a fool of themselves by accepting the very philosophy (i.e., science) that fundamentally disagrees with their ideas of human origination, among other things.

As for why I posted this on here, I needed to rant.
 

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And so science should be the true answer? Both have their qualities and flaws, you would be surprised to see just how scientists reveal whatever benefits them best for whatever causes they want to defend.

I am not religious in any way but, I needed to point this out to you.
 

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I like these posts.
 

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so you mean to tell me that science should only be exclusive to atheists and someone must be atheist in order to be proud or use technology and medical advancements?

Brate, you mistake religion to religious cults. You are also exhibiting the same mentality towards them.

It's like a progressive person calling others Nazis or religious nutcases when they themselves push their own values and beliefs on others and forcing the government to enforce said values and beliefs. Last time that happened, the holocaust happened.

I wonder if everyone adopted your logic "be atheist or be denied of anything that isn't religion-based"
 

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Science and religion go together.Thier are many citings in Bible which have been confirmed to be true.Lots of tons of scientific researches have come to the conclusion that Bible is 'fact'.Science is necessary to prove ancient writings but things like the first man was a 'monkey' is kind of disturbing considering man was created in 'God's own image' which means God is a 'monkey' which is disturbing hence 'religious' people dismiss that notion.
 

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People like you are what bother me the most. Grow the hell up. Stop bitching about religion when you yourself are putting science itself on a pedestal as if it was the holy bible and every single theory that has ever come out of the mouth of every single scientist ever was the unbiased word of god himself. Also you don't have to be a religious person to disagree with a retarded theory about human evolution.

Another thing i'd like to point out is; I haven't seen a single "religious" person whine about science in years. I don't know what you're searching up on the internet but for me, everywhere i go i only i see people like you. And it's pretty darn obnoxious.
 
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And so science should be the true answer? Both have their qualities and flaws, you would be surprised to see just how scientists reveal whatever benefits them best for whatever causes they want to defend.

You completely missed the point of my post. I was calling out people who are entangled in a net of double standards. Those people have the following philosophy about the world:

"If I want to accept something as fact, I will, but if I don't, I'm still right because of my holy book, and who cares that the science I reject has methodology just as solid as the science I accept."

I was also referring to the philosophy of science, not scientists who inject personal bias into their works. They are not even remotely the same thing.

so you mean to tell me that science should only be exclusive to atheists and someone must be atheist in order to be proud or use technology and medical advancements?

Brate, you mistake religion to religious cults. You are also exhibiting the same mentality towards them.

It's like a progressive person calling others Nazis or religious nutcases when they themselves push their own values and beliefs on others and forcing the government to enforce said values and beliefs. Last time that happened, the holocaust happened.

I wonder if everyone adopted your logic "be atheist or be denied of anything that isn't religion-based"

Like so many, you assume too much and put words in my mouth because you do not listen. I most certainly am not atheist. Religion and theism are not the same thing.

Science belongs to everyone. There are many religious moral values that should be kept, but I was speaking about strict fact, not morality. I take no issue with someone who adopts religious moral values. I do take issue with someone who tries to dabble in scientific fact while also positing that their holy book is a good source of unbiased evidence for supernatural occurrences. It's hypocrisy, and I despise hypocrisy, as should any logical person. The people who think that way accept and reject facts wherever they please based on personal bias, and I think it's unacceptable that those people act as if they're science enthusiasts.

Science and religion go together.Thier are many citings in Bible which have been confirmed to be true.Lots of tons of scientific researches have come to the conclusion that Bible is 'fact'.Science is necessary to prove ancient writings but things like the first man was a 'monkey' is kind of disturbing considering man was created in 'God's own image' which means God is a 'monkey' which is disturbing hence 'religious' people dismiss that notion.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Go educate yourself. You might find it useful to look into the different types of logical fallacies.

People like you are what bother me the most. Grow the hell up. Stop bitching about religion when you yourself are putting science itself on a pedestal as if it was the holy bible and every single theory that has ever come out of the mouth of every single scientist ever was the unbiased word of god himself. Also you don't have to be a religious person to disagree with a retarded theory about human evolution.

Another thing i'd like to point out is; I haven't seen a single "religious" person whine about science in years. I don't know what you're searching up on the internet but for me, everywhere i go i only i see people like you. And it's pretty darn obnoxious.

Your entire post is riddled with misrepresentations of what I said.

People like you are what bother me the most. Grow the hell up. Stop bitching about religion

Based on how terrible your reading comprehension is, I'd say I'm a lot more grown up than you, but okay. Not surprising that the tilted are the first to throw out insults. I was not bitching about religion. I was bitching about religious people who pick and choose which facts they want to agree with. It's absolutely pathetic and hypocritical.

when you yourself are putting science itself on a pedestal as if it was the holy bible and every single theory that has ever come out of the mouth of every single scientist ever was the unbiased word of god himself

Once again, I was not defending scientists, but the philosophy of science itself, which is that no personal bias should be involved in the pursuit of knowledge -- that the universe should be objectively observed and all double standards, which are totally irrational, erased. The entire point of my post was to call out people who live in a swamp of double standards. They choose to accept facts only when the facts don't challenge the consistency of their biased narrative.

Also you don't have to be a religious person to disagree with a retarded theory about human evolution.

Did I say that? No, but in your mind I did. Shows a lot. Retarded theory? Do you have any idea the size of the mountain of evidence supporting evolution? But you can call it retarded because it doesn't fit how you want to view the world, of course. Sounds familiar.

Another thing i'd like to point out is; I haven't seen a single "religious" person whine about science in years. I don't know what you're searching up on the internet but for me, everywhere i go i only i see people like you. And it's pretty darn obnoxious.

Whine about science? Where did I say religious people whine about science? No -- many religious people claim to support scientific endeavors and then turn around and reject certain disciplines of science that are just as robust as others simply because the pieces of evidence provided by those disciplines challenge their precious world views. It's absurd how common it is to see a religious person genuinely interested in a discussion of Einstein's theories, for example, but excruciatingly uncomfortable in a discussion of Darwin's theories.

And of course, your final comment is full of "I haven't" and "I never see." Nice job providing useless anecdotal commentary to what is supposed to be an objective discussion.
 

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People like you are what bother me the most. Grow the hell up. Stop bitching about religion when you yourself are putting science itself on a pedestal as if it was the holy bible and every single theory that has ever come out of the mouth of every single scientist ever was the unbiased word of god himself. Also you don't have to be a religious person to disagree with a retarded theory about human evolution.

Another thing i'd like to point out is; I haven't seen a single "religious" person whine about science in years. I don't know what you're searching up on the internet but for me, everywhere i go i only i see people like you. And it's pretty darn obnoxious.

Why do you think human evolution is nonesense?

To list some: vaccines, climate change, GMOs.

It’s because you live in a bubble.
 

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You completely missed the point of my post. I was calling out people who are entangled in a net of double standards. Those people have the following philosophy about the world:

"If I want to accept something as fact, I will, but if I don't, I'm still right because of my holy book, and who cares that the science I reject has methodology just as solid as the science I accept."

I was also referring to the philosophy of science, not scientists who inject personal bias into their works. They are not even remotely the same thing.



Like so many, you assume too much and put words in my mouth because you do not listen. I most certainly am not atheist. Religion and theism are not the same thing.

Science belongs to everyone. There are many religious moral values that should be kept, but I was speaking about strict fact, not morality. I take no issue with someone who adopts religious moral values. I do take issue with someone who tries to dabble in scientific fact while also positing that their holy book is a good source of unbiased evidence for supernatural occurrences. It's hypocrisy, and I despise hypocrisy, as should any logical person. The people who think that way accept and reject facts wherever they please based on personal bias, and I think it's unacceptable that those people act as if they're science enthusiasts.



You have no clue what you're talking about. Go educate yourself. You might find it useful to look into the different types of logical fallacies.



Your entire post is riddled with misrepresentations of what I said.



Based on how terrible your reading comprehension is, I'd say I'm a lot more grown up than you, but okay. Not surprising that the tilted are the first to throw out insults. I was not bitching about religion. I was bitching about religious people who pick and choose which facts they want to agree with. It's absolutely pathetic and hypocritical.



Once again, I was not defending scientists, but the philosophy of science itself, which is that no personal bias should be involved in the pursuit of knowledge -- that the universe should be objectively observed and all double standards, which are totally irrational, erased. The entire point of my post was to call out people who live in a swamp of double standards. They choose to accept facts only when the facts don't challenge the consistency of their biased narrative.



Did I say that? No, but in your mind I did. Shows a lot. Retarded theory? Do you have any idea the size of the mountain of evidence supporting evolution? But you can call it retarded because it doesn't fit how you want to view the world, of course. Sounds familiar.



Whine about science? Where did I say religious people whine about science? No -- many religious people claim to support scientific endeavors and then turn around and reject certain disciplines of science that are just as robust as others simply because the pieces of evidence provided by those disciplines challenge their precious world views. It's absurd how common it is to see a religious person genuinely interested in a discussion of Einstein's theories, for example, but excruciatingly uncomfortable in a discussion of Darwin's theories.

And of course, your final comment is full of "I haven't" and "I never see." Nice job providing useless anecdotal commentary to what is supposed to be an objective discussion.

Grow up.

Why do you think human evolution is nonesense?

Because i do, and i don't need to give someone like you an explanation that you wouldn't understand or give a damn about so don't ask me again this stupid question unless i can know for certain you are someone i can have a civilized conversation with. Not a self-proclaimed clown.

To list some: vaccines, climate change, GMOs.

What is that supposed to be? An assumption of other things i have an issue with?

It’s because you live in a bubble.

Are you trying to copy me?
 

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Too often I see religious people cite scientific publications with their chests puffed out, so to speak -- as if they're proud that they, a religious person, has shown that they are not incapable of agreeing with science. Too often I see religious people praising science, especially when it comes to medicine and everyday benefits.

It appalls me that these same people dismiss the theory of evolution, for example. They know full-well that evolution is scientific consensus, but they refuse to accept it simply because "my book says it's wrong." Either that, or they try to gather up some rather pathetic and questionable 'scientific' sources to 'prove' it wrong. They're completely fine with accepting a scientific publication that does not challenge their belief system, but as soon as one does, it's immediately invalid and holds no water because "my book says so." How abhorrent. How hypocritical and childish.

Science does not pick and choose. It eliminates bias and presents facts based on evidence and it doesn't care about your beliefs. When a religious person struts around waving their scientific paper with their chin held high, they're completely unaware that they're making a fool of themselves by accepting the very philosophy (i.e., science) that fundamentally disagrees with their ideas of human origination, among other things.

As for why I posted this on here, I needed to rant.

It sounds as though even scientists or "science geeks", claiming to know so much, are still not secure. Outside of the obvious things you can see with the naked eye, there's even idealism in science too. Things that people assume or think they know of...there's arrogance there, just like with religion.There's manipulations.

Science is "retaliation" against religion, that's how it was birthed. It's control. It's sort of an inferiority complex, birthed from "not having control". Scientists think they're god. Inverted opposites.
 
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You completely missed the point of my post. I was calling out people who are entangled in a net of double standards. Those people have the following philosophy about the world:

"If I want to accept something as fact, I will, but if I don't, I'm still right because of my holy book, and who cares that the science I reject has methodology just as solid as the science I accept."*

I was also referring to the philosophy of science, not scientists who inject personal bias into their works. They are not even remotely the same thing.

Ok. If you say so.
 

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Someone should sneak in evolution into the bible to see if creationists would start believing it.Im not trying to be offensive.

Maybe people who are not religious can still be selective about information and have bias. And if facts dont support them maybe they will start to make things up.
 
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It sounds as though even scientists or "science geeks", claiming to know so much, are still not secure. Outside of the obvious things you can see with the naked eye, there's even idealism in science too. Things that people assume or think they know of...there's arrogance there, just like with religion.There's manipulations.

Science is "retaliation" against religion, that's how it was birthed. It's control. It's sort of an inferiority complex, birthed from "not having control".

Yes, scientists as people manipulate results for their ideals, of course, but, for the umpteenth time, I was not talking about them -- I was talking about science as a philosophy, which is most certainly not retaliation against religion. Science is merely observable truths based on objective experimentation. If religious people want to feel like their doctrines are victimized as a result of this philosophy, perhaps they're the ones with inferiority complexes.

And no -- religion is what pursues control over the masses. Just look at how religion is perpetuated. Children are brainwashed into believing the same as their parents. If not for this passing of unsubstantiated information to the next generation, religion would die out, so proponents of religion have every reason to exercise control over their successors. That's not the case with the concept of science because it only needs observation, experimentation, and interpretation of results, which is open for everyone to do on their own.
 

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Yes, scientists as people manipulate results for their ideals, of course, but, for the umpteenth time, I was not talking about them -- I was talking about science as a philosophy, which is most certainly not retaliation against religion. Science is merely observable truths based on objective experimentation. If religious people want to feel like their doctrines are victimized as a result of this philosophy, perhaps they're the ones with inferiority complexes.

And no -- religion is what pursues control over the masses. Just look at how religion is perpetuated. Children are brainwashed into believing the same as their parents. If not for this passing of unsubstantiated information to the next generation, religion would die out, so proponents of religion have every reason to exercise control over their successors. That's not the case with the concept of science because it only needs observation, experimentation, and interpretation of results, which is open for everyone to do on their own.

I think both of them do the same thing, and come from the same place. "Not having power".

Sad part is, one thinks they're better than the other.Truth is, it's an excuse.
 

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I think both of them do the same thing, and come from the same place. "Not having power".

Sad part is, one thinks they're better than the other.Truth is, it's an excuse.

Science doesn't care about power or being better than anything. People do. Religion is a concept derived from people. Science is a concept derived from the observable laws of reality. Once again, your argument is misdirected. I am not talking about scientists. I am talking about science as a concept, which is utterly immune to outside influence because its definition is static and has no individual entity representing it.

If by one thinking it's better than the other you mean the groups of people supporting science and religion, then that's still wrong. It's not only one group thinking it's better than the other. Absolutely not. Do you have any idea how many religious folks have a holier-than-thou complex? It's unbelievable. Likewise, it's unbelievable how many scientists have a smarter-than-thou complex, if you will.
 
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